Bangkok Reports

[Tlito]

WTF, you are entitled to your opinion, but I am of the other side of this situation. And to answer your question, yes, if she agreed to my requests and then once in the room refused to participate in the manner she promised, you bet your ass I will change my terms as well. Almost every time I have paid a lady who has no one to answer to (ir free lancer) in advance the service has been less that expected or desired. Most of the time if the girls know there are consequences if they don't at least try to live up to their end of the bargain then they at lease give it a go. My experience is very different to yours in that it is a rarity for the lady to ask for the money upfront unless they are agency girls or something of the like. Sure there are exceptions of course. It sounds like this lady had a case of GPS and was not accustomed to be told "No" or turned down. Also seems she had a touch of psycho ***** thrown in for good measure. Maybe one more thing to get clarification before nodding my head yes. As I see it this lady wasted his time as well, and my time is as valuable as hers, maybe she missed out on a client, but maybe he missed out on the girl of his dreams while dealing with this gal. I would imagine it colored the rest of his evening for certain. I also have NEVER seen the girls give up their ID to enter Thermae, they may have to show one to make sure they are not LB's and are of age, but I have never seen them either give up or retrieve their ID before leaving.

I had a thermae girl change her mind when we got back to the room once. She wanted money upfront and I said no.

Went down stairs and she said I was violent and she wanted her money. No way. She left empty handed and when I returned to my room my watch was gone.

Learned two lessons that night. Put your watch in the safe and Thai girls are very unpredictable.

Probably had 100 girls in my room and had a few bolt and a couple of thefts. But you get a bit smarter each time and my only advice would be don't think with the lower part of your body.

[Sky Ryder]

I think you made a lot of fuss out of nothing. I think it's totally reasonable and to pay up front if she prefers that. There are scenarios where guys solicit services and then leave without paying. Even outside of Thailand, it is commonly industry standard that you pay beforehand.

What exactly are you wanting to achieve by paying after? Are you not going to pay her properly if you don't like the service?

She had to provide her ID to get in to thermae and she probably frequents it. It's not like she's going to grab your cash and then sprint away.

You did waste her time so I can see how she wouldn't be happy. You are too paranoid.

WTF, you are entitled to your opinion, but I am of the other side of this situation. And to answer your question, yes, if she agreed to my requests and then once in the room refused to participate in the manner she promised, you bet your ass I will change my terms as well. Almost every time I have paid a lady who has no one to answer to (ir free lancer) in advance the service has been less that expected or desired. Most of the time if the girls know there are consequences if they don't at least try to live up to their end of the bargain then they at lease give it a go. My experience is very different to yours in that it is a rarity for the lady to ask for the money upfront unless they are agency girls or something of the like. Sure there are exceptions of course. It sounds like this lady had a case of GPS and was not accustomed to be told "No" or turned down. Also seems she had a touch of psycho ***** thrown in for good measure. Maybe one more thing to get clarification before nodding my head yes. As I see it this lady wasted his time as well, and my time is as valuable as hers, maybe she missed out on a client, but maybe he missed out on the girl of his dreams while dealing with this gal. I would imagine it colored the rest of his evening for certain. I also have NEVER seen the girls give up their ID to enter Thermae, they may have to show one to make sure they are not LB's and are of age, but I have never seen them either give up or retrieve their ID before leaving.

[EihTooms]

A FL wanting to be paid up front is a bad sign. At least that's what I found in my two decades plus here. I've never and would never pay one up front. In addition, being in the room for 2 or 3 minutes is not a waste of her time and physically assaulting someone is never okay. I assume the poster in question was polite and simply wanted to call off the session and to make matters worse, Thermae is in the basement of the Ruamchit, so he's "wasted" maybe 10 minutes. Lest we forget gentleman, we are the customers, always be polite, respectful, and never try to push a girl's boundaries, but don't accept and for Pete's sake don't tip for bad service. Call off the session.

Not just a bad idea, imo, but paying a Freelancer or a bargirl her fee upfront instead of after the sex has been performed as negotiated and agreed upon is one of the worst punter decisions maginable.

Oh I am sure little harm can be done in paying upftont if the punter has no real expectations of anything very good happening in bed, has negotiated nothing in particular, is perfectly content with the most basic fare doled out with a minimum of positive attitude and cooperation.

And, yes yes yes, there will be the oddball exception where a girl paid upfront will deliver at a decent 80% level as agreed upon and expected. But even in those rare outcomes you can assume the punter threw away the remaining 20% that would have been right there for him to enjoy had he not allowed himself to be talked into or bullyed into paying upfront.

Unfortunately, more often than not that foolish decision to pay upfront can produce a worse buzzkill and dreary experience for the next 20 - 30 minutes than if she had actually just taken the money and sprinted out of the hotel.

[WhatTheFack]

Just do CIM. If a girl doesn't allow CIM she will tell you before she starts. I think what they don't like is if you cum on their hair or all over their face because that more or less ends her night.

Thanks for the tip. I did it upper thigh so she may have been concerned it could get close to her hair.

never been asked to pay up front in Thailand unless I am paying the bar like a G Club, Soi 6, soapie, gogo bar, etc. I would not pay a girl up front.

They do? I don't see Thermae girls walking up to anyone at the bar to drop off their ID or to pick up their ID from the bar before they leave with me.

And if the girl wanted money up front, how would you react? I see in the fiwfans support channel where girls post experiences of guys who do the deed and then leave without paying, so it happens. Like the other guy said, it likely depends on whether the girl has had a bad experience before.

I would also imagine that girls are incentivized to ask for money afterwards, so it's more likely the guy will include a tip. But if they noticed something suspicious about the customer beforehand, it'd be safer to ask for cash beforehand.

I read about the ID part on this forum before. That is how they keep the ladyboys out of thermae. They show ID when they enter thermae, not when they leave.

As for this guy's story, I still think he is leaving out information. People usually don't just physically attack someone based on a little misunderstanding of paying before or after.

It's definitely possible that the girl is crazy but honestly I don't really believe this story in the way it was told.

[Banana Boi]

how far would it be expected that a typical freelancer or barfined gogo girl be willing to go in a taxi, to someone's room? Is 30 minutes reasonable and when done, you pay her return taxi fare on top?

They will always ask you where you're staying so once you tell her that's up to the girl. If this is LT then she will likely travel over 30 minutes and will depend on if your hotel is in the direction of her home. If she's not popular then 30+ minutes would not matter to her. Longest I've dragged a girl in BKK would be from Thermae to Patpong which can take 30 minutes on a bad traffic night.

awkward question but if in a 69 position getting BBBJ, what exactly is the protocol when the guy is ready to pop and nothing has been negotiated beforehand? I was previously in this position with a freelancer and I wonder what would have happened if I just kept going, as I instead stopped the action and finished on the girl's leg. She didn't look too thrilled, but I'm not sure what is a more graceful method or place to finish.

Just do CIM. If a girl doesn't allow CIM she will tell you before she starts. I think what they don't like is if you cum on their hair or all over their face because that more or less ends her night.

I think it's totally reasonable and to pay up front if she prefers that.

I have never been asked to pay up front in Thailand unless I am paying the bar like a G Club, Soi 6, soapie, gogo bar, etc. I would not pay a girl up front.

She had to provide her ID to get in to thermae and she probably frequents it. It's not like she's going to grab your cash and then sprint away.

They do? I don't see Thermae girls walking up to anyone at the bar to drop off their ID or to pick up their ID from the bar before they leave with me.

Thermae yesterday. Picked the girl, petite girl around 1. 55-1. 6 m dressed in white, mid 20-ish. Went up to the room at the Ruamchitt upstairs and that's when the drama began. She demanded to be paid upfront

Thanks for providing a description. This is the perfect place to remember and post a girl's name. Where did she stand in the bar?

Never had this happen but your gut told you the right thing to do. Personally if a girl started freaking out I'd offer 500 or 1000 baht to go away. Don't agree that you wasted her her time but more just to diffuse a bad situation with a desperate girl. Bad shit can happen in Thailand it's not worth it to save a few baht.

[Axel Heyst]

I think you made a lot of fuss out of nothing. I think it's totally reasonable and to pay up front if she prefers that. There are scenarios where guys solicit services and then leave without paying. Even outside of Thailand, it is commonly industry standard that you pay beforehand.

What exactly are you wanting to achieve by paying after? Are you not going to pay her properly if you don't like the service?

She had to provide her ID to get in to thermae and she probably frequents it. It's not like she's going to grab your cash and then sprint away.

You did waste her time so I can see how she wouldn't be happy. You are too paranoid.

Hey WTF, I don't know where you have been mongering, but you are dead wrong on this. Paying a freelance working girl in advance is not the industry standard. No anywhere I like to go. Not in Thailand, Cambodia, Jakarta, Yangon, Singapore, MNL, RJ, or Sao Paulo. The only exceptions are when you are dealing with the house as in a soapy or oily massage parlor in BKK, a Macau Sauna, or a Sao Paulo Clinica. For every other situation that I can think of you should never pay in advance. Paying a freelance working girl in advance is a sure-fire way to significantly increase one's percentage of bad sessions. Why? Because paying in advance creates a moral hazard that some girls cannot resist. If you want to be hit with, "did you cum my darling, please cum" after 10 minutes of play, then pay in advance by all means. 555.

[Sky Ryder]

1st time posting here, although been a member for a while. Just wanted to share my experience regarding Thermae yesterday.

Picked the girl, petite girl around 1. 55-1. 6 m dressed in white, mid 20-ish. Went up to the room at the Ruamchitt upstairs and that's when the drama began. She demanded to be paid upfront, I rejected and said the norm was to pay after. Back and forth for a minute or so, I just said forget it I have already paid foe the room it but you can go back down.

She wanted to be teinbursed because she said I "wasted her time". Bear in mind, this was roughly about 2-3 minutes from when we met in the bar and we were both still fully clothed at this point.

I refused and she promptly went insane and lunged at me. Nasty scratches on my arm and bleeding. Suffice to say, I didn't lay a finger on her.

Not sure what I should have done. Call the police?

Freelancers I think, are just a lot more unpredictable than if you go to a gogo bar or massage parlor.

First of all the amount of restraint you showed is admirable and likely saved you a LOT of trouble. I would like to think I would have similar restraint if some lady started drawing blood, but honestly I hope I am never confronted with that situation. I cannot say I have never paid up front, but I will say that every time I have done so, I wished I hadn't. I get that some assholes just walk out without paying, but the other side of the coin is there a ladies that if they don't have an "incentive" don't hold up their end of the bargain as well. Most of the time if I still have a good vibe after she says pay in advance, I will offer to pay half before and the rest when we are done, or put the money in a visible place so she knows it is available. If the request just kills the mood, then I do exactly what you did and decline the service. The issue would be if she had to travel for a while to get to the location, which in your case she did not. I would certainly pay for her taxi back to the club or some reasonable fare, but that was something you did not have to deal with. I subscribe to the "we are the customers" theory, but understand it is a very personal transaction, so will allow some leeway. I don't like to be manipulated, so as soon as I get the feeling they are trying to leverage the situation in that manner I walk away. The good thing about BK is that you don't have to go far to find another opportunity. There is a LOT of the GPS feeling going around these days it seems, and fortunately I am not inclined to participate in enabling that issue. I treat the ladies with respect, right up to the moment they show they are not deserving of being treated like a lady.

[Goatscrot]

I think you made a lot of fuss out of nothing. I think it's totally reasonable and to pay up front if she prefers that. There are scenarios where guys solicit services and then leave without paying. Even outside of Thailand, it is commonly industry standard that you pay beforehand.

What exactly are you wanting to achieve by paying after? Are you not going to pay her properly if you don't like the service?

She had to provide her ID to get in to thermae and she probably frequents it. It's not like she's going to grab your cash and then sprint away.

You did waste her time so I can see how she wouldn't be happy. You are too paranoid.

A FL wanting to be paid up front is a bad sign. At least that's what I found in my two decades plus here. I've never and would never pay one up front. In addition, being in the room for 2 or 3 minutes is not a waste of her time and physically assaulting someone is never okay. I assume the poster in question was polite and simply wanted to call off the session and to make matters worse, Thermae is in the basement of the Ruamchit, so he's "wasted" maybe 10 minutes. Lest we forget gentleman, we are the customers, always be polite, respectful, and never try to push a girl's boundaries, but don't accept and for Pete's sake don't tip for bad service. Call off the session.

[R The Man]

Hey guys, looking forward to a week in BKK mid-April, this time with only minimal work demands and much more time for hobbying. Last time I pulled a couple of really good girls from TF, and it seems like there are several good possibilities this time, too. May try Tantan as well. I also pulled a good GG girl from Rainbows last time. Not as GFE as the TF girls, but will likely hit Nana again this trip. Happy to join up with any of you if you want. First beer is on me!

Wanted to ask about Fwifans. Weird that the site doesn't translate on Google translate. Do the girls also do outcall to your hotel for a higher fee? I don't like going to an Incall apt and much prefer my own room.

Anyway, thanks for the helpful field reports and will post mine afterwards.

[Lcale1982]

1st time posting here, although been a member for a while. Just wanted to share my experience regarding Thermae yesterday.

Picked the girl, petite girl around 1. 55-1. 6 m dressed in white, mid 20-ish. Went up to the room at the Ruamchitt upstairs and that's when the drama began. She demanded to be paid upfront, I rejected and said the norm was to pay after. Back and forth for a minute or so, I just said forget it I have already paid foe the room it but you can go back down.

She wanted to be teinbursed because she said I "wasted her time". Bear in mind, this was roughly about 2-3 minutes from when we met in the bar and we were both still fully clothed at this point.

I refused and she promptly went insane and lunged at me. Nasty scratches on my arm and bleeding. Suffice to say, I didn't lay a finger on her.

Not sure what I should have done. Call the police?

Freelancers I think, are just a lot more unpredictable than if you go to a gogo bar or massage parlor.

Yeah ID agree with the previous response you got. If she wants pay upfront just pay her first. Or if that's an issue you should discuss that before you take her with you. They probably had people that refused pay after the session so more cautious now. If you're in a hotel you're protected, can usually have ladies hand ID to front desk and not release it until you give go ahead. Not sure about Ruamchitt process tho, I had a close enough hotel we just walked back. I've had a few that ask to pay upfront in my hotel and but mostly in fiwfans, had no issues.

[Mua Tur]

I've been travelling to BKK for many years, but I still seem to find things that puzzle me. Perhaps someone can shed light on these latest mysteries:

1. The Izakaya restaurants in the Phrom Phong area (and likely other areas); is there any action in these? I see girls smiling at me as I peer in, but not much else. I assume they are oriented at Japanese patrons mostly, but would a white guy be welcome? Is there a chance of something more being offered?

There are many bars and massage places in your said area specially Soi 22. They cater only money not race. Just try on. Any one is approachable and convincible but not insistable or dectateble.

Happy hunting.

[TKOman]

I've been travelling to BKK for many years, but I still seem to find things that puzzle me. Perhaps someone can shed light on these latest mysteries:

1. The Izakaya restaurants in the Phrom Phong area (and likely other areas); is there any action in these? I see girls smiling at me as I peer in, but not much else. I assume they are oriented at Japanese patrons mostly, but would a white guy be welcome? Is there a chance of something more being offered?

2. Thai "herbal" supplements found in the condom / lube section of pharmacies. I got one from Handy Herb that translates to Black Galingale, and another that's just called Jiu Jenn Pushen Jiao Nang. The girls at the pharmacy blushed and couldn't provide a clear answer when I inquired, so I assume that they are boner pills? Libido enhancers?

TIA to anyone who can answer!

[ScoobyDoook]

I was able to book without knowing any thai if that's what you're asking. Most didn't speak much english, one was pretty good out of the 5 or so I saw.

I have also used Google Translate on my phone to translate the content on fiwfans and then used it to write to the girls in Thai using Line and to read their replies. I tell them I am a foreigner and ask them to use simple Thai words. The messages often go to a receptionist rather than the girl herself. It has worked ok and all the ones I have approached have been ok with a non-Thai speaking foreigner and cash although there are a few who say no foreigner on their fiwfans profile so I just avoid them.

The biggest issue has been the Thai sex slang used on fiwfans profiles which Google can't make sense of. But with some effort I think I understand a lot of it now. The other issue is that many girls are located in inconvenient areas so you need to filter on location to find usable profiles.

One of the girls I saw spoke good English, but most speak little and I have sometimes used the voice version of the Google translate app to talk to them to make sure we are on the same page.

I have found fiwfans quite good. The height and weight stats are a good indication of what you will get The photos are filtered by the apps that are used to make the girls skin whiter and to adjust them to look like the apps version of ideal, like the pictures you see on many adverts. The reviews are useful but I assume they write a few of them themselves, or get their friends to, so I tend to read several reviews and look how long they have been getting good reviews and I don't take any individual positive reviews too seriously.

[WhatTheFack]

General questions:

- how far would it be expected that a typical freelancer or barfined gogo girl be willing to go in a taxi, to someone's room? Is 30 minutes reasonable and when done, you pay her return taxi fare on top?

- awkward question but if in a 69 position getting BBBJ, what exactly is the protocol when the guy is ready to pop and nothing has been negotiated beforehand? I was previously in this position with a freelancer and I wonder what would have happened if I just kept going, as I instead stopped the action and finished on the girl's leg. She didn't look too thrilled, but I'm not sure what is a more graceful method or place to finish.

I notice most girls on fiwfans charge 400 baht for CIM so would the freelancer have applied an additional fee afterwards?

I don't personally care for CIM, but I'm just curious as to what would have happened.

[WhatTheFack]

If I do not speak Thai, how can I find girls who speak English and how can I connect with them?

When you message the girl on line, you'll either be talking to an agency who facilitates the meeting or the girl herself.

If they reply in English, you can assume they are happy to deal with English speaking foreigners. If they ignore you, they probably can't be bothered dealing with a foreigner, which is fair enough. You can try with a different girl.

You tell them when you want to book and for how long, and they'll give you instructions to go to a hotel and a particular room number.