Safe Sex and Sex Related Discussions in Thailand

[Goatscrot]

Be careful you don't fall off there.

Anyway, a thank you first for finally making your position known.

As to your argument, well you start it OK, in that everyone involved is a consenting adult, or at least should be on both counts.

Then you go off the rails basing it on the premise that newly arrived working girls are likely to "have insufficient knowledge of contraception or the risks associated with contracting a STD".

Really?

Have you ever met these Thai Isaan girls you are passing judgement about?

Have you ever really talked with them about things, about their understandings, their life, in Thai?

I have, and do so pretty much every time.

Be they an 18,19 yo, or young 20's, or even late 20's and into their 30's coming to work a bar for the first time, they are generally the same..

You'd be surprised at the lack of knowledge about STDs among Thais. I've seen girls who had quite a few genital warts and they thought absolutely nothing was wrong with them. I've also seen girls with open herpes lesions that had no idea what was going on. I will agree that the majority of them know about many different forms of contraception, but when It comes to STIs they are not well informed. Mind you this comes from two decades plus living and mongering in Thailand.

[Sammon]

IMHO, there are at least 2 moral issues related to BB punting.

1. Pregnancy. Either have a vasectomy or be sure she is using something to prevent pregnancy. Many punters consider this a non-problem because the father will never be found and he won't get stuck with child raising effort or expenses. That is still your child, you are the father whether you know the child exists or not.

2. Disease. BB punters all need to be tested frequently. Never participate in BB sex if you feel anything abnormal in your urinary system.

If we all do these two things, the girl can make her decision to move forward with BB or decline.

To add to this there are lots of scams. Girl will claim you are the father and tries play on your heart strings. Do not be a wimp. You are not the only guy she is having BB sex with. Testing frequently is a good idea.

[ThaiGoodTimes]

IMHO, there are at least 2 moral issues related to BB punting.

1. Pregnancy. Either have a vasectomy or be sure she is using something to prevent pregnancy. Many punters consider this a non-problem because the father will never be found and he won't get stuck with child raising effort or expenses. That is still your child, you are the father whether you know the child exists or not.

2. Disease. BB punters all need to be tested frequently. Never participate in BB sex if you feel anything abnormal in your urinary system.

If we all do these two things, the girl can make her decision to move forward with BB or decline.

Agree, HorseTrader, that is well outlined.

And for the record, I have on #1, and do on #2.

[EihTooms]

Look I've been bare backing for over 50 years, right. Never had a problem never expect to. Covered sex is useless vanilla sex for pussies, we lads know what real sex is right and how to get it right. Sure, the fear mongers will tell you it's risky, a danger to your health but so what, its minimal and I'm willing to take that risk, as its my god given right. So what if I might be asymptomatic with say gonorrhea or chlamydia and pass on the infection. Some of us get tested regular some of us don't, no big deal. Some of us have had vasectomies most of us haven't. So what if a girl gets pregnant, she should know better right. Some of us concentrate on the "off the bus" newbies, easy pickings for an experienced dude, a few tequilas, some good times pussy play, get them all hot and bothered, all lust and heat and she can't stop herself. It's natural right. You know she loves it bareback and will be back again the next day for more. With some you got to put in more time but that's part of the fun, right, the chase, right. So what's the big hullaballoo, I'm having a good time, that's all that matters right.

Look I have been mongering for over 50 years, right. Never had a problem never expect to. Meaningful personal relationships carefully developed over time before having sex for love or mutual pleasure is for pussies. We lads know sex for money is the only way to go. Sure, the moralists will tell you it's risky, deprives us and our partners of essential human relations and the spiritual rewards of true love and genuine affection. In all probability the ladies whose bodies we rent will be sidelined from the mainstream of society, squander critical years of potential education opportunities and career advancement that often handicaps them for a lifetime, regulating them to a bleak middle and old age of grinding poverty. Then there is the inevitable effect of the alcohol we ply them with on a nightly basis and the drugs they have to take just to make it from one sex customer to another. But that's there problem. By the time they reach an age where all of that comes crashing in on them we are well out of their lives and never see them anymore. No need to even mention how our mongering cheats and makes fools of our supposed "significant others" back home, saddling them with only a phony version of those silly vows we either pledged or implied along the way in order to convince them to partner with us. We had a good time, that's all that matters right.

[HorseTrader]

IMHO, there are at least 2 moral issues related to BB punting.

1. Pregnancy. Either have a vasectomy or be sure she is using something to prevent pregnancy. Many punters consider this a non-problem because the father will never be found and he won't get stuck with child raising effort or expenses. That is still your child, you are the father whether you know the child exists or not.

2. Disease. BB punters all need to be tested frequently. Never participate in BB sex if you feel anything abnormal in your urinary system.

If we all do these two things, the girl can make her decision to move forward with BB or decline.

[ThaiGoodTimes]

Of course it is, perhaps with a touch of irony.

This was simply a parody, a synopsis of what proponents of barebacking have been posting forever. It illustrates in my humble opinion not the issue of the absolute right of consenting adults to engage in whatever they choose with each other but rather the danger working girls face particularly those newly arrived who have insufficient knowledge of contraception or the risks associated with contracting a STD.

Be careful you don't fall off there.

Anyway, a thank you first for finally making your position known.

As to your argument, well you start it OK, in that everyone involved is a consenting adult, or at least should be on both counts.

Then you go off the rails basing it on the premise that newly arrived working girls are likely to "have insufficient knowledge of contraception or the risks associated with contracting a STD".

Really?

Have you ever met these Thai Isaan girls you are passing judgement about?

Have you ever really talked with them about things, about their understandings, their life, in Thai?

I have, and do so pretty much every time.

Be they an 18,19 yo, or young 20's, or even late 20's and into their 30's coming to work a bar for the first time, they are generally the same.

Single mothers, either teens with a young child (1-2 yo), early 20's with children, or older with teenagers of their own.

They're not naive pampered entitled Western girls and young women.

They know very well about contraception, morning after pills, pregnancy and child birth, and also about the risks of STD's.

The insinuation you make is that these girls are preyed upon by people like 'me".

That people like "me" are evil, manipulating the situation with alcohol, sexual lust, money or power games, to have them abandon safe practices.

And well I can't speak for all, as yes there are horrible sexual predators out there.

But that picture you paint and post in your responses is not me, nor is it anyone of those similar thinking "me's" that I know enough about to judge.

I could go on, and explain more, by necessity sharing too much of my personal situation and experiences.

But I know that would likely mostly be wasted effort on those who share your views and humble opinions.

Instead I will stop there, and allow those sitting on the fence to make their own judgments, based on hearing something factual on both sides of the argument.

[NicFrenchy]

I needed a laugh today and all the BB posts were highly entertaining.

Ok, so here goes:

- a lot of girls are already in full BB mode with Somchai their BF (you know, the brother who always has motorcycle accidents).

- 99% of girls will do BB if asked, the smart ones will ask for an extra tip, others will gladly do it right off the bat.

Most Shops do not test their ladies, they however ask the ladies for a test every XX months, but it's easy for them to buy a fake one (or at least, it used to be).

We all partake in this hobby and should be OK with the risks that some with it; disease, scam, police (yes, it's still illegal and they can shake you for money if they feel like it).

Protect yourself as best you can and have fun.

[GerryGa]

Wait you're kidding right. Did you just come on here and actually write for ALL the world to see that you could careless if you pass on STDs to other people. Are you NUTS? Thats absolutely F $$#ING disgusting. Anyone who has that mentality is a certified douchebag and are adding on to the pile of shit the world is already in. I don't like condoms like everybody else but do your part and man up and take care of your health and stop spreading dieases.

Have a good time but don't be collasal prick that only cares about his nut, disregarding getting females pregnant while literally being a walking vineral diease 🤮 Don't be that guy!!

I refer you to my reply to fellow member Goatscrot.

[GerryGa]

Certainly hoping this is sarcasm.

Of course it is, perhaps with a touch of irony.

This was simply a parody, a synopsis of what proponents of barebacking have been posting forever. It illustrates in my humble opinion not the issue of the absolute right of consenting adults to engage in whatever they choose with each other but rather the danger working girls face particularly those newly arrived who have insufficient knowledge of contraception or the risks associated with contracting a STD.

[Goatscrot]

Look I've been bare backing for over 50 years, right. Never had a problem never expect to. Covered sex is useless vanilla sex for pussies, we lads know what real sex is right and how to get it right. Sure, the fear mongers will tell you it's risky, a danger to your health but so what, its minimal and I'm willing to take that risk, as its my god given right. So what if I might be asymptomatic with say gonorrhea or chlamydia and pass on the infection. Some of us get tested regular some of us don't, no big deal. Some of us have had vasectomies most of us haven't. So what if a girl gets pregnant, she should know better right. Some of us concentrate on the "off the bus" newbies, easy pickings for an experienced dude, a few tequilas, some good times pussy play, get them all hot and bothered, all lust and heat and she can't stop herself. It's natural right. You know she loves it bareback and will be back again the next day for more. With some you got to put in more time but that's part of the fun, right, the chase, right. So what's the big hullaballoo, I'm having a good time, that's all that matters right.

Certainly hoping this is sarcasm.

[Goatscrot]

To start, I will say that I have never had BB anal sex. Everyone has to make their own decisions, but for that to happen, it would have to be with someone that I had a reasonable expectation of exclusivity and extensive prior preparation. So not likely to happen in the P4 P world.

As far as BB vaginal sex, I will admit that I have had three cases in about 5+ decades of active sex, the first was at age 19 and was with the second working lady I was ever with. The last time was more than ten years ago. One case of the clap, and two cases of the non-specific type. I don't have a checklist, however am pretty fastidious about pre and post hygiene protocols. As age has increased the lack of sensitivity when using a cover is more pronounced, which I will admit is a factor in my decision process. I have also adjusted my expectations and try to be more holistic when it comes to the actual act of sex. As silly as it sounds, I do make a special effort to take in the sight of a younger, lithe, lady moving in rhythm with me, the curves of her body, the feeling of her skin, the way it feels to hold her ass in my hands if we are in doggy or her hips if it is cowgirl. All the sounds and surroundings if they are special all add to the very pleasant memories that last much longer than the "money shot". Twenty years ago, these things would be a passing notion most times as I went to search for the next opportunity.

I do not plan to eliminate BB from my repertoire, but will continue to make "informed" decisions. Is it a risk, certainly, but one I accept if I wish to participate in this activity.

Only my opinion.

Sky.

Pushing 60's here. Can't say my sensitivity had decreased, but I drink minimally, don't smoke, eat healthy, and have been a regular with exercise, both strength and cardio, since the early 90's. And believe me, it makes a difference.

[ThaiGoodTimes]

To start, I will say that I have never had BB anal sex. Everyone has to make their own decisions, but for that to happen, it would have to be with someone that I had a reasonable expectation of exclusivity and extensive prior preparation. So not likely to happen in the P4 P world.

As far as BB vaginal sex, I will admit that I have had three cases in about 5+ decades of active sex, the first was at age 19 and was with the second working lady I was ever with. The last time was more than ten years ago. One case of the clap, and two cases of the non-specific type. I don't have a checklist, however am pretty fastidious about pre and post hygiene protocols. As age has increased the lack of sensitivity when using a cover is more pronounced, which I will admit is a factor in my decision process. I have also adjusted my expectations and try to be more holistic when it comes to the actual act of sex. As silly as it sounds, I do make a special effort to take in the sight of a younger, lithe, lady moving in rhythm with me, the curves of her body, the feeling of her skin, the way it feels to hold her ass in my hands if we are in doggy or her hips if it is cowgirl. All the sounds and surroundings if they are special all add to the very pleasant memories that last much longer than the "money shot". Twenty years ago, these things would be a passing notion most times as I went to search for the next opportunity.

I do not plan to eliminate BB from my repertoire, but will continue to make "informed" decisions. Is it a risk, certainly, but one I accept if I wish to participate in this activity.

Only my opinion.

Sky.

Your position enunciated above on this is understandable given your reasoning explained.

Enjoy your punting.

For me, also being an older man, it is not at all about the money shot, far far far from it.

The chase, the seduction, the journey as it unfolds, the pleasure given, and the look of it in her eyes, her sounds, her voice, and her actions.

Her wanting to be totally, naturally there with me, that is what I look for and savor when found and fully experienced.

That is my addiction, not the fucking.

[ThaiGoodTimes]

Look I've been bare backing for over 50 years, right. Never had a problem never expect to. Covered sex is useless vanilla sex for pussies, we lads know what real sex is right and how to get it right. Sure, the fear mongers will tell you it's risky, a danger to your health but so what, its minimal and I'm willing to take that risk, as its my god given right. So what if I might be asymptomatic with say gonorrhea or chlamydia and pass on the infection. Some of us get tested regular some of us don't, no big deal. Some of us have had vasectomies most of us haven't. So what if a girl gets pregnant, she should know better right. Some of us concentrate on the "off the bus" newbies, easy pickings for an experienced dude, a few tequilas, some good times pussy play, get them all hot and bothered, all lust and heat and she can't stop herself. It's natural right. You know she loves it bareback and will be back again the next day for more. With some you got to put in more time but that's part of the fun, right, the chase, right. So what's the big hullaballoo, I'm having a good time, that's all that matters right.

So your point is exactly what GG?

Or are you just playing us to up your post count?

Where do you actually stand on the question of bareback or not?

Because the above commentary from you just sounds like a rehash of my, and others, posted validation of our thinking and positions.

So, if you're just here to be anonymously argumentative, a troll per se, please move along and go play elsewhere.

[Coolie High]

Look I've been bare backing for over 50 years, right. Never had a problem never expect to. Covered sex is useless vanilla sex for pussies, we lads know what real sex is right and how to get it right. Sure, the fear mongers will tell you it's risky, a danger to your health but so what, its minimal and I'm willing to take that risk, as its my god given right. So what if I might be asymptomatic with say gonorrhea or chlamydia and pass on the infection. Some of us get tested regular some of us don't, no big deal. Some of us have had vasectomies most of us haven't. So what if a girl gets pregnant, she should know better right. Some of us concentrate on the "off the bus" newbies, easy pickings for an experienced dude, a few tequilas, some good times pussy play, get them all hot and bothered, all lust and heat and she can't stop herself. It's natural right. You know she loves it bareback and will be back again the next day for more. With some you got to put in more time but that's part of the fun, right, the chase, right. So what's the big hullaballoo, I'm having a good time, that's all that matters right.

Wait you're kidding right. Did you just come on here and actually write for ALL the world to see that you could careless if you pass on STDs to other people. Are you NUTS? Thats absolutely F $$#ING disgusting. Anyone who has that mentality is a certified douchebag and are adding on to the pile of shit the world is already in. I don't like condoms like everybody else but do your part and man up and take care of your health and stop spreading dieases.

Have a good time but don't be collasal prick that only cares about his nut, disregarding getting females pregnant while literally being a walking vineral diease 🤮 Don't be that guy!!

[Amnesia]

How many guys on here are actually going to be truthful and say they caught some sort of disease from BBFS or BB anal?

I had plenty STI, including a very nasty one, which, together with a couple of HIV scares, made me largely stop the bareback. I probably fucked bareback whenever I could since I had sex for the first time 25 years ago, including pros and non-pros, in Thailand and in several other countries, including some high-risk encounters (if pros aren't high-risk enough). I always felt anxious when my cock started to leak; I never went for HIV tests until I had to, and then I panicked and was certain that the test must come back positive.

I had a nasty STI a couple of years ago which wouldn't go away but also wouldn't show up on any test, including PCR. At that point you start googling and learn about Mycoplasma Genitalium and Prostatitis (good luck if it's both). I had a hospital here order a new antibiotic from France for me but still have some urinary symptoms as my bladder often doesn't seem to fully empty when I drink a lot. It also caused me loss of libido and erection issues, which could all point towards prostatitis (whether bacterial or non-bacterial who knows). Due to all the antibiotics I took during that time, I got some weeks of diarrhea which made me believe I have HIV (luckily until today I'm negative).

I tried to stop the bareback but had relapses. I tried to at least limit it to non-pros but those seem to cause even more STI these days I feel (I actually only sometimes fuck pros when I'm lazy and prefer non-pros over it, so I had a lot of them over the years). Since that scary STI episode I think I had three STI out of ten bareback fucks, and one wasn't even PIV but just a blowjob. All of them were regular girls I met through dating apps.

I love bareback sex; condoms are a big turnoff for me. But the STI scares just became too much for me and I'm somewhat glad that I'm able to control my urge better now and stopped the bareback sex. Fortunately I love licking pussy, so I usually frequent massage and Kapoo places and enjoy a handjob with the girl sitting on my face.