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06-15-23 02:53 #12496Senior Member

Posts: 7973There is no comparison at all
No, that isn't I am doing. I don't think any of Trump's indictments are for merely "having" classified documents in his possession, as could easily be the case, inadvertently, with any of the people you named. They are for "willfully retaining" them in the face of repeated requests by the Feds for them to be returned. Flaunting subpoenas for them. For a year and a half. They eventually had to enter his hotel / house to conduct a search for them, whereupon they even found some in his desk drawer. The under oath testimony to the Grand Jury and perhaps recorded evidence has him asking his lawyers to remove them and join him in committing obstruction of justice.
Originally Posted by Elvis2008
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There is zero comparison to what Hillary, Pence and Biden did or could have been charged with by any standard in the letter or spirit of the law.
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06-14-23 23:25 #12495Senior Member

Posts: 2741Biden? Obama? Hillary? Fuck yes!
Well, PVMonger can answer for himself, but I would put in prison Jesus H. Christ if he committed just a small fraction of the offences ALLEGEDLY committed by Trump. Of course, his crimes go above and beyond hijacking classified material. He tried to dismantle our democracy for fuck's sake.
Originally Posted by Tiny12
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But let's stick to the current indictment.
Has it even occurred to you that there might've been a more menacing reason behind the grab of the classified material? Have you really never thought about why this man -- contrary to all diplomatic protocols -- went to meetings with Putin without an interpreter?
Be honest. The question never even occurred to you?
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06-14-23 19:16 #12494Senior Member

Posts: 2560Elvis, Yes, I agree 100% about the Iraq war. Some of the rest of it, I'm not so sure. Why did Trump put people like John Bolton and Mike Pompeo in the White House and the Department of Defense in the first place? I also don't buy that Mike Pence was Machiavellian. He was doing the best he could. Like you and me, he liked many of Trump's policies, and was just doing his best to cope with a very difficult boss.
Originally Posted by Elvis2008
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Trump kind of dug his own grave at Mar a Lago. You and I wouldn't put him in jail. Or at least I don't think I would, not having heard all the evidence the jury will hear. But this is the way the Department of Justice operates. Trump didn't do much to change that while he was in office. He in fact was pushing the DOJ to prosecute Hillary Clinton for a while.
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06-14-23 18:46 #12493Senior Member

Posts: 2560Well would you consider them guilty PVMonger? And to make it more interesting, would you incarcerate him or her for a period of years?
Originally Posted by PVMonger
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06-14-23 18:32 #12492Senior Member

Posts: 2560Then why did Trump push all NATO members hard to spend a minimum of 2% of GDP on defense? And why did Trump place sanctions on the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline which made it difficult for Gazprom to complete the project? Sanctions which Biden promptly waived upon becoming president?
Originally Posted by JohnClayton
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Do you think Trump would have done that if Putin really had "Kompromat" on him? For example, do you think Putin was using a videotape of Trump directing two hookers to urinate in Obama's bed to blackmail him?
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06-14-23 18:32 #12491Senior Member

Posts: 4832I am not talking about the policies of Sanders, Tiny but his character. Yes, some of his policies are insane and would lead us off a cliff. Others of them are not as kooky as you might think, but my point was I do not believe Sanders is a narcissist unlike so many others.
Originally Posted by Tiny12
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06-14-23 18:26 #12490Senior Member

Posts: 4832You are about as right about this as you were about the Covid vaccines. Still think Covid was not a lab leak JC? Hmmmm.
Originally Posted by JohnClayton
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Maybe one of these days you will actually be right about something. You are in the running for king Democratic douche.
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06-14-23 18:25 #12489Senior Member

Posts: 4832Typical Democratic douche. There is an allegation, indictment, and conviction of guilt. We are at the allegation / indictment stage not guilt. I find it hilarious that you are already declaring Trump guilty before he even has a defense.
Originally Posted by PVMonger
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And the other reason I call you douches is because you have no problem with the timing of the indictment and when the trial occurs. You are so dumb that you think this tactic of indicting your political opponent before an election will just be limited to Trump.
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06-14-23 18:14 #12488Senior Member

Posts: 920Trump is not antiwar, simply anti any war where Putin is on the other side. It has been clear since 2016 that Trump is under direct control of the Kremlin.
Originally Posted by Elvis2008
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06-14-23 16:46 #12487Senior Member

Posts: 707Comey gets Medall of Loyalty
Fat Nixon should have given James Comey the Medal of Freedom for getting him elected. . in "general" Flynn is a clown.
Where he goes, they all go together".
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06-14-23 15:27 #12486Senior Member

Posts: 1604You have the wrong idea
Nope. Here's the way to look at it: If Biden or Obama or Hillary had done the things that the OTTIASAFG is charged with, would you consider them to be guilty? A simple "yes" or "no" will be sufficient.
Originally Posted by Elvis2008
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06-14-23 05:56 #12485Senior Member

Posts: 4832It is funny that Tucker Carlson is now on Twitter, and he is only doing what I thought was the best part of his show, the monologue.
Originally Posted by Tiny12
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Our Democratic douche friends roll their eyes at TC but in his latest show, he actually addressed how Trump really is different than other candidates because he is anti-war and really had a little venom for Trump and tons more for Republicans in general.
I thought this show was hit best yet on Twitter. Check it out https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson.
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06-14-23 05:50 #12484Senior Member

Posts: 2560I don't like any of them Elvis. They're all narcissists. But admittedly when I go by a television in a public place and see Trump talking, I don't shoot him the rod, like I do for Joe and Kamala. Joe and Kamala want to take jobs away from my friends and family and take my money. Fuck them. They're not well liked in this part of Texas.
Originally Posted by Elvis2008
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I like Ron Paul, a lot, although he's got some squirrely ideas about the Federal Reserve. And I do believe in some kind of a social safety net. On the other hand I hate Sanders more than any of them.
I do rate Sanders above Hitler and Stalin though.
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06-14-23 05:45 #12483Senior Member

Posts: 4832If you broke the law, you broke the law. Period. Spare us with the nonsense about how you didn't know you were speeding, just keeping up with traffic, and somebody else who was speeding was way worse than you. That is what you are doing.
Originally Posted by EihTooms
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It's not that Trump was worse than the others. They all broke the law, and you are just making excuses. You and the DOJ just do not like Trump, and that is why you want to see him and no one else prosecuted.
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06-14-23 05:44 #12482Senior Member

Posts: 2560I'm a Libertarian Elvis. I don't like prosecuting or putting people in jail unless they really deserve it.
Originally Posted by Elvis2008
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Trump is guilty of stupidity. Like I said, you don't fuck with the deep state even if you are an ex president. In our system, when you hide documents from and make false statements to the Feds, and they find out about it, they will fuck you over. That's what Trump did, that Hillary, Pence and Biden did not.
Now if you're president, that's a different story. What are the chances Hunter will go to jail while Joe's president? Yeah, the IRS may end up charging him a ton for penalties and interest, but he'll be able to make that up by selling a couple of paintings to some foreigners looking to curry favor with the Biden family. He'll probably spend the money on crack and high priced hookers before he ever writes a check to the IRS though. He really needs some tutoring from the brain trust on internationalsexguide. You could teach him a thing or two about not losing his ass paying big bucks for sugar babies for example.

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