Pattaya Reports

[Belvaros]

Will update as to which were TF, bar girls, FL and / or Agogo, GC.

[Belvaros]

99% of the people in Pattaya are NOT on this forum.

30+ bars with 100 girls average is 3. 000 agogo ladies easily. 2 barfines minimum in 10 days = 6. 000 barfines per 10 days or 600 per DAY.

Thats on average. So mondays would probably be 200 and saturdays more than 1. 000?

Who barfine? Guys who are NOT just looking for cheap sex. Guys who are not aware of this (or other fora / websites / groups). Asians. Farang.

I just spent 2 weeks down in Pattaya, I live in BKK and HK.

I had 22 girls from TF lined up. 11 were optiflick or piss poor upon meeting so I went to Sapphire to meet a lady from TF and I bar fined her. Why because she was lovely and I thought WTF.

I bar fined 2 ladies from Soi 6 bars. And I picked up a FL or 3 around the traps. Even avoided chicks with dicks.

The FL cost from 1200ST - 4000 LT. The gogo lady from Sapphire was 6 k LT plus a huge BF and drinks bill. Who cares. A girl from XS Agogo went with me once via BF and then 4 times from direct contact mainly during the day. 21 yr old spinner. Lovely PSE.

Most bars seemed quiet to me so that may a cheaper route but many of the ladies were drunk after 9 pm so I didn't want the hassle.

[Explorer8939]

99% of the people in Pattaya are NOT on this forum.

30+ bars with 100 girls average is 3. 000 agogo ladies easily. 2 barfines minimum in 10 days = 6. 000 barfines per 10 days or 600 per DAY.

Thats on average. So mondays would probably be 200 and saturdays more than 1. 000?

Who barfine? Guys who are NOT just looking for cheap sex. Guys who are not aware of this (or other fora / websites / groups). Asians. Farang.

It looks like 50% of the posts here are about Walking Street, but virtually no one here barfines from gogos on WS.

So, where do you pull your ladies?

[MartinFlevo]

Wow! Big news! Gogo girl gets barfined!

My question remains: apart from one poster, who is barfining gogo girls?

I believe that Walking Street is heading the way of Angeles City, only Korean customers. And they only come to Pattaya once.

99% of the people in Pattaya are NOT on this forum.

30+ bars with 100 girls average is 3. 000 agogo ladies easily. 2 barfines minimum in 10 days = 6. 000 barfines per 10 days or 600 per DAY.

Thats on average. So mondays would probably be 200 and saturdays more than 1. 000?

Who barfine? Guys who are NOT just looking for cheap sex. Guys who are not aware of this (or other fora / websites / groups). Asians. Farang.

[Venturi34]

Context.

Soi 6. Not an Agogo.

Point is you do t have to look like KPop Star to boom boom with attractive Soi 6 girl.

Nah the girls definitely do not care that much. I could definitely pass as a be Tier Kpop group member and they quote me the exact same price as everyone else. As long as your cash is good and you are clean then for the most part the girls will treat you the same. On the other hand I really do not find Soi 6 girls that attractive. I usually have to walk down and then back in order to settle on someone that I think is ok. Maybe most of the good girls are done / busy by the time I get there. Who knows.

[EihTooms]

Real sweeps are rare.

More common is when the cops walk down Beach road in a group. The ladies disappear across the street, and then filter back when the cops are gone.

A few years ago in Bangkok there were some sweeps. They were all based on visa issues pertaining to so many Africans and Vietnamese girls hanging out on Soi 4 back then. Took a couple of years before they felt safe to return in notable numbers.

None of those sweeps were because the girls were engaged in prostitution.

And, of course, no customer was swept up in a sweep because he was offering girls, consenting adults, money for sex either.

And as far as I know no girl and certainly no punter that I know of made a habit of paying off the cops with tea money to keep from getting busted on a charge of prostitution.

Which, IMHO, are all factors about as convincing as it gets that there is no reasonable interpretation of the Thai Penal Code that supports the idea that the simple act of prostitution is illegal absent any fairly logical extenuating circumstances or obviously troubling co-factors regarding age, undue coercion, creating a public nuisance and so on.

[Raj Patela]

Wow! Big news! Gogo girl gets barfined!

My question remains: apart from one poster, who is barfining gogo girls?

I believe that Walking Street is heading the way of Angeles City, only Korean customers. And they only come to Pattaya once.

Context.

Soi 6. Not an Agogo.

Point is you do t have to look like KPop Star to boom boom with attractive Soi 6 girl.

[Venturi34]

Wow!

Are you from Korea?

New York City.

[Raj Patela]

Miracles do Happen.

I met world Famous Priew of Desire.

Checks out Hotness. Sweet too.

Little bigger upper Torso she could be more Hot.

Said doesn't do Barfines. Makes sense as she does well on Livestream.

[Explorer8939]

Don't Fret.

9 girls at Showgirls. One stands out.

She got Barfined on Premises. Nit by a Korean. Nit by Sin, hkg, etc.

Best I could tell Ugly Mexican or Portuguese.

Wow! Big news! Gogo girl gets barfined!

My question remains: apart from one poster, who is barfining gogo girls?

I believe that Walking Street is heading the way of Angeles City, only Korean customers. And they only come to Pattaya once.

[Explorer8939]

Thanks, Horse Trader.

Well, as long as I'm on a roll, I will add a general note about those occasional sweeps of street girls by the cops. LOL.

My previous post about this that you quoted from was regarding P4 P girls working in bars. I think that would also apply to escort agencies, massage shops, soapies, so-called Happy Ending shops and the like. It seems that is why Smooci is trying put a distance between itself and escort agencies of late.

And I should also stipulate that This Is Thailand, I could have it wrong on some meaningful detail or the law has been changed as of last month or some edict has been issued that supercedes traditional penal code and enforcement procedures. My notes are based on what I have read in the Thai Penal Code on the issue and the way it has virtually always turned out in terms of arrests and charges regarding "prostitution crimes" here.

So, about those occasions where the cops round up dozens of street girls in a single night in a surprise sweep on, say, Beach Road in Pattaya or Soi 4 or Sukhumvit Road in Bangkok. Don't the cops say they did it to "Crack down on prostitution" or some such thing and doesn't the media report it as such too?

Yes. Because they are being lazy and / or intentionally imprecise about it.

What they are really arresting the girls for is being prostitutes who are creating a public nuisance of their line of work...

Real sweeps are rare.

More common is when the cops walk down Beach road in a group. The ladies disappear across the street, and then filter back when the cops are gone.

[Raj Patela]

Don't Fret.

9 girls at Showgirls. One stands out.

She got Barfined on Premises. Nit by a Korean. Nit by Sin, hkg, etc.

Best I could tell Ugly Mexican or Portuguese.

[Explorer8939]

On WS the bigger GoGo the going rate for models is 2-2. 5 K Barfine + 7 K for LT. People are absolutely paying these prices, me included. If that's the price of getting what I want then that's the price. I am not going to bother hunting for value when I am on vacation. It's over $300 for an hour with an average provider where I live.

Wow!

Are you from Korea?

[EihTooms]

Is this really true? I told a story before about a young US Marine meeting a 16 year old onlin a couple years ago and him and his colleague hooking up with her and her friend. Her father found out and the guys were in deep shit. My buddy was called in by the Marines to translate a negotiation in the middle of the night. The US government had to pay I think $75,000 to the father to get those guys off the hook.

So how do the soapies get away with it?

What was the online exchange with the girl about? Only sex for love? Or were there enough extenuating circumstances to support a case that your buddy, his friend and the 16 year old girl expected there to be some exchange of money or something else with monetary value for having sex with her? It could even be as much as previous online exchanges by those same guys on that same site with older girls where it was clear they were there to hook up with prostitutes and not to find a wife.

And you're talking about the military, right? The military might have a whole set of different rules about their property, the soldiers, interacting with girls of any age for any reason and the Thai authorities would be well aware of that too.

[EihTooms]

Is this really true? I told a story before about a young US Marine meeting a 16 year old onlin a couple years ago and him and his colleague hooking up with her and her friend. Her father found out and the guys were in deep shit. My buddy was called in by the Marines to translate a negotiation in the middle of the night. The US government had to pay I think $75,000 to the father to get those guys off the hook.

So how do the soapies get away with it?

Tea money, perhaps. Also, TIT in the sense that the authorities are willing to look the other way if the trade is not creating a public nuisance about the services they offer. Same with massage shops, Happy Ending shops and BJ Bars. But BJ Bars have been shut down because the girls were too demonstrative and vocal with passersby about what they offer inside.

If a soapie erects a big, highly visible led banner highlighting the sex that can happen if you pay the fee to them, I would expect them to be shut down and the proprietors to be arrested for profiting or living off the proceeds of someone else engaging in an act of prostitution. But I would not expect the girls providing that service or the customers paying them for it to get arrested for that act of prostitution.

Keep it low key, the explicit description of it out of sight from general traffic flow, don't embarrass Thailand in the minds of casual tourists on the direct issue of paying money for sex, mask it behind the notion of merely providing entertainment, a massage or an assisted wash down bath and the authorities are likely to take a live and let live approach to it.

And tea money probably helps too.

After all, if there really is a law on the books making it a crime to exchange of sex for money between consenting adults who have not been coerced into it by a third party and with service providers who have a proper visa, why aren't soapies, massage shops, Happy Ending shops and BJ Bars shut down and the proprietors, girls and customers inside arrested for it every day?

Why aren't cops whose rent money is short by 1,000 - 2,000 baht this month riding up on their motorbikes next to farrang punters blatantly negotiating with street girls every hour to settle the penalty for their "crime" on the spot as quickly as they try to bust me on my motorbike for not wearing a helmet and not having a driver's license (it is an electric bicycle some cops mistake for a full size, regulation motorcycle. LOL) and what about the shakedowns where the cops are checking to see if you have contraband in your pocket or bag?

There is no effort by the cops to do that when an obvious act of prostitution is taking place in full view of them on Beach Road in Pattaya or on Soi 4 in Bangkok because there is no law on the books specifically criminalizing the act of prostitution.

Now, try negotiating such a thing in full view of a busload of tourists parked at the Grand Palace or a Temple and you and your street girl are probably going to find yourselves seized upon by every color uniformed officers and carted off to jail. The charge will be something like creating public nuisance related to the act of prostitution.