Stupid shit in Medellin

[Nounce]

Street hookers are literally the bottom of the barrel. Her initial ask was a joke. Over 600 k cop for a lleras girl and all covered service? Come on. You got your price only because you knew her asking rate was unrealistic to begin with. If the going rate at Lleras was indeed around 600 k, you would have zero chance of getting her for 200 mil.

You are missing the points entirely.

[MiamiBoy1]

It's sharing the opportunities that I saw for someone who may come across similar situation and be able to take advantage of it. Whoever read it, should read others' posts to see different opportunities and take advantage of those observations.

If one follows my latest Lleras post, I gave in and offered 400, but she started to limit service. I said I am not interested. Eventually the price dropped to 200 mil and basically without limit as far as I am concerned. One reason is because I have a strong hand so I called her bluff by accident in a manner of speaking. I did not realize that until the end. How can one explain a service that goes from all covered for 150 USD to 200 mil without restriction. That is why I am saying you can be nice but you have to be strict. That is the language they can understand clearly.

I am someone that the girls can easily take advantage of. I have not changed my approach but I adjusted it based on my personality. There is a girl who stole from me twice. LOL. I got thru her eventually, and I was able to use that to help me get what I want. I would not suggest anyone to do it because you may not have the same personality shortcomings in this context, and you will have your own way to deal with this better.

As for all the price debate going on. The car analogy actually is a good one but the explanation was wrong. The explanation should be based on economic or circumstances but people just don't know how.

Street hookers are literally the bottom of the barrel. Her initial ask was a joke. Over 600 k cop for a lleras girl and all covered service? Come on. You got your price only because you knew her asking rate was unrealistic to begin with. If the going rate at Lleras was indeed around 600 k, you would have zero chance of getting her for 200 mil.

[Nounce]

The justifications and explanations for what we pay are endless and in some cases very creative. ....

It's sharing the opportunities that I saw for someone who may come across similar situation and be able to take advantage of it. Whoever read it, should read others' posts to see different opportunities and take advantage of those observations.

If one follows my latest Lleras post, I gave in and offered 400, but she started to limit service. I said I am not interested. Eventually the price dropped to 200 mil and basically without limit as far as I am concerned. One reason is because I have a strong hand so I called her bluff by accident in a manner of speaking. I did not realize that until the end. How can one explain a service that goes from all covered for 150 USD to 200 mil without restriction. That is why I am saying you can be nice but you have to be strict. That is the language they can understand clearly.

I am someone that the girls can easily take advantage of. I have not changed my approach but I adjusted it based on my personality. There is a girl who stole from me twice. LOL. I got thru her eventually, and I was able to use that to help me get what I want. I would not suggest anyone to do it because you may not have the same personality shortcomings in this context, and you will have your own way to deal with this better.

As for all the price debate going on. The car analogy actually is a good one but the explanation was wrong. The explanation should be based on economic or circumstances but people just don't know how.

[MoonShot]

I'm not overpaying. I'm paying market rate, or close to it. And almost always, I get what I pay for, at least looks wise. Sure, performance may vary, but it is a different story. Any girl that gets 600 k consistently, won't accept 150 k, period. Good luck negotiating with her. She just going to laugh at your offer and consider you a cheap charlie. I have said it gazillion times, we fuck different girls, not the same girls. If you really could get the girls I'm paying 600 k to for 150 k, I would eat my hat and apologize, and I would publicly admit that you are the best negotiator on ISG. But this is never going to happen, because again, we fuck different girls that happen to be in different price brackets.

I agree with this. There are guys who believe that the girls are all the same and they will all accept a certain rate if you are savvy and a great negotiator but I don't believe this to be generally true based on my own personal experiences. I think everyone will agree with this statement. Each girl is unique and they are not all the same and will not act the same. Every girl has a different belief on your worth and how much she should get paid to go with you. Girls who believe that they are worth 600 k and get that price constantly will generally not accept 150 k or 200 k. I have personally experienced that time and time again. Now if she has not gotten that price for a while and needs to pay the rent, she may reconsider what she can get and drop her price but that's not a girl who constantly gets that price. It may just be that she has dropped in value and she is no longer the type of girl who demands that price. It happens and a girl needs to adjust to her new reality.

Girls who hang out in El Centro for 50 mil are generally not the type of girls who can command top dollar in Parque Lleras. Now she may get lucky from time to time but it's not happening every night.

[MiamiBoy1]

So are you suggesting that these $600 k COP chicas do not fuck any local men at all and are exclusively fucking foreigners?

Yes, they focus mainly on foreigners, or locals who are well off. It makes no sense to fuck broke locals for cheap. Sure, some girls may have a local boyfriend or fuck buddy, who fucks them for free, but I bet these guys are more or less of their age and are attractive enough, not some overweight local brokie in his 50's.

[MiamiBoy1]

The fact of the matter is that the intrinsic value of these women is around $150 k COP and you are paying them an overvalued price. Whereas guys like Nounce, Villainy, Mr. Enternational and myself are purchasing closer to the equalibrium point or perhaps even undervalued. I'm sure this is over your head though. Continue paying $600 k and above. After all the Bidenflation and your homegirl comrade kamala wins the election you will be so much better off and be able to pay your colombianas $1. 2 Million COP.

I'm not overpaying. I'm paying market rate, or close to it. And almost always, I get what I pay for, at least looks wise. Sure, performance may vary, but it is a different story. Any girl that gets 600 k consistently, won't accept 150 k, period. Good luck negotiating with her. She just going to laugh at your offer and consider you a cheap charlie. I have said it gazillion times, we fuck different girls, not the same girls. If you really could get the girls I'm paying 600 k to for 150 k, I would eat my hat and apologize, and I would publicly admit that you are the best negotiator on ISG. But this is never going to happen, because again, we fuck different girls that happen to be in different price brackets.

[Villainy]

I can guarantee that 150 k-200 k girls are not in the same bracket looks wise as 400 k-600 k girls. Just accept the fucking fact that there are different levels of beauty at different price tags. Your local Colombians pay less just because they fuck uglies, not because they are locals or great negotiators.

You simply don't know what you are talking about. Where do you think these 400 k-600 k girls that you deem to be beautiful come from? You think they just got plucked from a tree? The reason you are misguided is because you are a visitor to Medellin. You seek out girls you deem to be beautiful even at high price points. Great! But where are you finding these girls? Seeking, Instagram, FaceBook maybe some higher end night spots like Loutron. So now let's put on our thinking cap (you do have a thinking cap?) The girls you are paying those rates meet your standard of beauty but you are finding them because they are marketing themselves to foreigners like you. They post on Instagram and Seeking or are listed with foreign friendly agencies so that you and people like you can find them. You may not believe this but some of those girls know nothing about social media. Their brother or aunt is posting their pictures and arranging their dates with foreigners like you. (Not all, of course, but more than you would think).

You seem to think these are unique special girls. Gabacho is telling you something you don't want to hear. Many of those girls grew up and live in the barrios. They learned to dress themselves, and market themselves. For every one of those there are 100 that don't do that. It doesn't mean they can be attained but you would have to do the work to get there. You would have to meet them near where they live. You would have to be able to initiate and conduct a conversation and perhaps arrange a meeting at a restaurant or coffee shop. At some point you might get an opportunity. Some girls grow up in religious households. Selling herself is considered the lowest thing a girl / woman can do. Hence she doesn't advertise herself and to you she is invisible. But if you establish a friendship, you can have a sexual relationship (beneficios mutuos) that is relatively cheap and the girl can easily be as beautiful as any you've met. Of course the drawback is that she may be less experienced.

Going back to the central point. You do you. But when you claim that you and only you are meeting the most beautiful women because you are willing to pay more.[Deleted by Admin] I live here. I have an ample budget and I've been with some of the highest end girls that you talk about. But I've also been with girls from the barrios or pueblos that are stunning girls but they don't promote themselves and so you never would meet them.

[Gabacho]

I can guarantee that 150 k-200 k girls are not in the same bracket looks wise as 400 k-600 k girls. Just accept the fucking fact that there are different levels of beauty at different price tags. Your local Colombians pay less just because they fuck uglies, not because they are locals or great negotiators.

The fact of the matter is that the intrinsic value of these women is around $150 k COP and you are paying them an overvalued price. Whereas guys like Nounce, Villainy, Mr. Enternational and myself are purchasing closer to the equalibrium point or perhaps even undervalued. I'm sure this is over your head though. Continue paying $600 k and above. After all the Bidenflation and your homegirl comrade kamala wins the election you will be so much better off and be able to pay your colombianas $1. 2 Million COP.

[Knowledge]

The justifications and explanations for what we pay are endless and in some cases very creative. There is always a subjective element. For a random example, for some the right to eat a girl's ass is worth any price requested while for other's it's worth less than nothing because they would not do it if paid. Some guys value facial appearance above all and permission to photograph themselves with the woman. I've witnessed this first hand when a guy in Sao Paulo showed me a picture of himself with an agency girl. He told me he paid double the asking price so she would allow the photo. Just because it's something some would not do does not make it wrong for anyone else.

It's different from dynamic pricing. Mainly it's people who are paying peak-price all the time. After you pay peak-price to the same girl a few times (I skip this step because I don't have the urgency), if you are patient. wait for the girl to contact you. For example, on a Tuesday, just let her know you can't pay Saturday tourist rate. Ask her how much she made on Monday or tonight when she argues. One should get an idea of where I am going. My experience also told me that the girls who accpeted are better performers and just think about it that you are paying less for better performance. Not all girls will agree but some will. There are some girls that can make a lot of money in a night but my observation is most can't. And that has nothing to do with what I think is attractive or not. I do not want to session with girls what can maintain high price from Lleras because that implies her mileage is high and service will be limited, supply and demand, right? LOL.

If one thinks the price indicate quality, i posted report that I have FB girl charging 450 coming on my term. and the recent report the Lleras 150 USD girl. They are higher price so they must be better looking too. Again, not all will do it but some will. You just need to learn how to get to those that are smart enough to adjust.

Nice guy usually won't get the best in this context. They think they get it but they don't know and have not tested the upper limit. For example, the reports that say Loutron is great. It may be great for someone, that is because he doesn't know how much better he can have. You can be nice but you have to be strict. Girls are constantly testing your boundary. In a way, this is where the respect is coming from and one reason why guys say girls are laughing at some guys who pay a lot because the guys give away power.

[Gabacho]

I can guarantee that 150 k-200 k girls are not in the same bracket looks wise as 400 k-600 k girls. Just accept the fucking fact that there are different levels of beauty at different price tags. Your local Colombians pay less just because they fuck uglies, not because they are locals or great negotiators.

So are you suggesting that these $600 k COP chicas do not fuck any local men at all and are exclusively fucking foreigners?

[MiamiBoy1]

A valuable observation from an outsider. The real Medellin Morons (to borrow the phrase from the high and almighty Elvis) are those guys paying 400 k 500 k 600 k pesos and higher in places like parque lleras, loutron, gustos, etc.

The real actual cost of these women in Medellin is about $150 k - 200 k pesos. You can ask guys like Nounce, Mr. Enternational, Villainy and myself whom have years of extensive experience in Medellin and in Colombia as a whole.

I can guarantee that no local colombianos are paying more than what it costs in Germany for a local paisa chica. They pay about 150 k COP ($35 usd) max.

Only the Medellin morons pay theses 600 k prices.

I can guarantee that 150 k-200 k girls are not in the same bracket looks wise as 400 k-600 k girls. Just accept the fucking fact that there are different levels of beauty at different price tags. Your local Colombians pay less just because they fuck uglies, not because they are locals or great negotiators.

[Villainy]

A valuable observation from an outsider. The real Medellin Morons (to borrow the phrase from the high and almighty Elvis) are those guys paying 400 k 500 k 600 k pesos and higher in places like parque lleras, loutron, gustos, etc.

The real actual cost of these women in Medellin is about $150 k - 200 k pesos. You can ask guys like Nounce, Mr. Enternational, Villainy and myself whom have years of extensive experience in Medellin and in Colombia as a whole.

I can guarantee that no local colombianos are paying more than what it costs in Germany for a local paisa chica. They pay about 150 k COP ($35 usd) max.

Only the Medellin morons pay theses 600 k prices.

I have to confirm what Gabacho is saying. It may depend a little bit on where you are pulling the girl. FaceBook rates are about 200-300 mil depending on the girl and what she perceives as her normal price point. If you speak Spanish you can improve your chances. But as Gabacho says no one is paying 500-600 mil, at least not anyone who lives here.

[Gabacho]

I really want to go medellin because I like to go party, club and take girl at the end.

But When I read this thread, I feel the girl in medellin cost more than girl in europe x).

In europe, you can have girl for 50 euros in Germany, and in medellin is 100 euros?

A bit strange.

A valuable observation from an outsider. The real Medellin Morons (to borrow the phrase from the high and almighty Elvis) are those guys paying 400 k 500 k 600 k pesos and higher in places like parque lleras, loutron, gustos, etc.

The real actual cost of these women in Medellin is about $150 k - 200 k pesos. You can ask guys like Nounce, Mr. Enternational, Villainy and myself whom have years of extensive experience in Medellin and in Colombia as a whole.

I can guarantee that no local colombianos are paying more than what it costs in Germany for a local paisa chica. They pay about 150 k COP ($35 usd) max.

Only the Medellin morons pay theses 600 k prices.

[Gabacho]

It appears that a lot of ISG members do not know the difference between Immigration and Customs or at least they use the word Customs to refer to Immigration. I am going to correct this.

Immigration (Migracion):

These are the people who decide whether or not you can enter the country. These are the agents you have to show your passport to upon arrival and they ask you some basic questions about your travel and then stamp your passport allowing entry for 90 days. They also handle the checkmig forms and other types of visas for people entering on a visa for an extended stay.

Customs (Aduanas):

This is a separate entity from immigration. They are the people who (after you have been permitted to enter the country by immigration) check your luggage and backpack for prohibited items. Their main concern is to look for and confiscate things such as raw meat and produce. You may have accidentally had a bad of lemmons taken away from you at the x-ray machine that you forgot you had in your backpack. Those guys are customs (in Spanish they are called aduanas).

They are two separate entities and customs never stamps your passport. I think the confusion may come from the fact that in the US the two are combined into one agency called Customs and Border Protection (CBP). But in most countries, and Colombia and Mexico are no exception, immigration and customs are two separate government agencies with separate stations set up within the port of entry.

[Triple Darknes]

I actually feel much safer in the barrio than I do in Centro. I've never seen a snatch and grab in the barrio can't say the same about centro LOL. Also centro has alot more noise from people cars and busses. The barrio is much quieter except for ocasional dog barking and roosters crowing in the mornings.

Also the climate is noticeably cooler up in santo domingo too. Easily between 5 to 10 degrees cooler than the temperature in Centro. I don't know how many times I'll leave my place and it's chilly so I put on a hoodie and when I get down to Centro I need to take it off. Sometimes at night it can be downright cold to the point where you need an electric space heater or a heavy blanket. Definitely alot cooler than Cali. I've been to Cali twice and both times it felt warmer than what I'm used to in Medellin.

I'd say that generally Cali is about 10 to 12 degrees hotter than Centro in Medellin.

I've been to Bogota and after years in Cali it was cold enough to require a jacket and a thick blanket at night /.

Humidity tends to be lower in Cali * because it's still rather hilly* than say Cartegena or Santo Domingo in the DR.

Hope this Helps.

Trip.