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12-27-24 20:45 #3894Senior Member

Posts: 113Interesting point about bar owners motives. It sounds reasonable that they would do that. Pretty clever too.
Originally Posted by EihTooms
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It's nice you're open to being wrong. Not a very common trait. However, you're not wrong. There's no such sentence / phrase. First, because it just isn't in the Act. But also, logically it can't exist.
There is a saying- The exception that proves the rule.
On one street there are signs that say No Parking.
On the next street are signs saying No Parking On Tuesday.
On the first street, the rule is clear- no parking.
On the second street the rule is clear, but unsaid- parking is allowed. Tuesday is the exception. Otherwise, why not have a No Parking sign?
Section 5 of the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act prohibits public solicitation for prostitution in a manner deemed "open, shameful, or disturbing to the public. ".
Here, although unsaid, the rule is- prostitution is legal. However, there are exceptions- except in a manner deemed open, shameful, etc. And there are other exceptions. Quite a few in fact. But they are all exceptions to what? To legal prostitution. Otherwise, why not just say- prostitution in illegal in Thailand?
From the Thai Narcotics Act be. E. 2545 (2002) "No person shall import / export narcotics of category II, unless obtained the license from the licensing authority for specific cases in government service".
There it is. Very straightforward.
The Thai legislature can write very succinct laws. They can also write very convoluted laws. I imagine they have good reasons for each.
If they wanted to outlaw prostitution in the Kingdom, they would have said just that. Like when they wanted to prohibit bringing in Category II narcotics in, they said just that. Nothing about what manner they were brought in, whether it offended the public, whether it was done openly and on and on. You cannot bring category II narcotics into Thailand without the proper authorization. End of the story. So if prostitution in and of itself is illegal, why didn't the government just say so?
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12-27-24 18:10 #3893Senior Member

Posts: 2883With his type it usually does.
Originally Posted by Allover
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12-27-24 17:30 #3892Senior Member

Posts: 7745
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Originally Posted by Nyezhov
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Got a million and one haters, and they all can kiss my ass (Mwah) - TGIF, GloRilla.
Originally Posted by Oakie
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12-27-24 15:00 #3891Senior Member

Posts: 7745You have already proven that you are lying. Because if you had the facts you would just present them to us. Why look for evidence of something you already know? LOL!
Originally Posted by Nyezhov
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12-27-24 14:32 #3890Senior Member

Posts: 7970Is it always and only about the tangential issues and qualifiers? Probably.
Yep, there it is as usual; the necessary tangential issue or qualifier that provides a legal reason for the police to arrest, round up, herd, sweep or whatever terms are preferred, Sex Workers for something vaguely related to prostitution but, mysteriously, never for the actual act of consenting adults exchanging sex for money. This time they pulled out the old "open, shameful or disturbing to the public" premise.
Originally Posted by Nyezhov
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I suppose we could sometimes replace the words "disturbing to the public" with "disturbing to nearby competitor Sex For Pay venues" like bars, massage shops, gentleman's clubs and so on. Especially those for which the "sex in exchange for money" part requires paying a barfine, expecting the customer to buy ladydrinks, renting an on-bar-premises room and so on that are not required or expected with street girl sex. And these immigrant hooker sweeps are also probably "disturbing" to the local Thai hookers as well. None of whom were rounded up for anything in this case, I notice.
Nor anyone's customers.
Why, one would think the police and legal authorities know there is nothing in the books, in The Thai Penal Code, The Prostitution Prevention and Suppression Act or anywhere else that gives them the legal power to arrest, charge or drag through a court case any consenting adults, foreign or domestic, who agree to, are about to or already have exchanged sex for money. And that is apparently even more certain for the customers or potential customers since we read nary a report about so much as one of them being tossed into those round ups, arrested and charged with anything.
But, you're right, the only question that is never fully answered with these "disturbing the peace" type tangential issues and qualifiers arrests is how does one define "deemed" in the eyes and ears of the police.
Maybe a general rule of thumb is, at minimum, if the Queen was standing on the street within a a meter of the negotiation and could hear and see enough to make her blush, that would be "deemed" a public disturbance.
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12-27-24 11:53 #3889Senior Member

Posts: 5457"During initial questioning, all 20 women admitted to arriving in Pattaya to work as sex workers catering to foreign clients. Authorities charged them under Section 5 of the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act, b. E. 2539 (1996), which prohibits public solicitation for prostitution in a manner deemed open, shameful, or disturbing to the public."
Originally Posted by EihTooms
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12-27-24 08:17 #3888Senior Member

Posts: 1251The Ex-Virginian
This may explain it.
Originally Posted by Nyezhov
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12-27-24 07:59 #3887Senior Member

Posts: 1251Just A Quick Note
If any of you read this complete manifesto by this lunatic, you are as crazy as he is.
Originally Posted by SubCmdr
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12-27-24 06:04 #3886Senior Member

Posts: 1051Agreed
Totally agree, why would I give one damn what kind of music the girl likes? Not like I'm planning on having her move in with me. And even then.
Originally Posted by SubCmdr
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Also agree on all these wannabe 'experts' . Lots of them here who seem to have no idea how obvious it is that they're full of crap.
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12-27-24 05:15 #3885Senior Member

Posts: 7970Some have an interest in making punters think it is illegal when it is not.
If someone had friends who owned bars where ladydrinks and barfines are sold or had a personal interest in them as well, I could see them wanting to promote the idea that making an arrangement for Sex In Exchange For Money outside of that system, the basic act of it, was illegal even when it is not. They would do so in the hope that punters would conclude that making the arrangement less openly and publicly exposed to observation in the bar was less risky than on the street right outside of the bar or online where no ladydrinks or barfines are required or expected.
Originally Posted by PhilipMarlow
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I could also see those type of venues' owners and management making the call to the police to investigate this or that serious crime of "showing signs of prostitution", "loitering" "creating a public nuisance" etc on the street and when immigrants with likely visa issues are interloping on the market whether behind closed doors of a venue or not.
The local police would certainly fit the profile of those kind of interested parties. As well as many others.
However, that still doesn't make the basic act of consenting adults exchanging sex for money illegal or a crime in Thailand. No matter how much those various interested parties would like for us to think so.
And that is but one factor for why a discussion of it on the specific Bangkok Reports, Pattaya Reports or just about anywhere in the Thai Play-For-Pay-related forums is perfectly appropriate and valuable.
Moving it to the "Stupid Shit and Rants" forum only serves the mission of those aforementioned interested parties. Which is why I predicted it was destined to be moved sooner or later, but certainly as soon as it looked like the "trust us, it's illegal, a crime" side hit a brick wall on producing any evidence for their side.
Is the basic act of consenting adults exchanging sex for money illegal and a crime in Thailand? I am open to the possibility there there is an enforceable sentence or phrase somewhere in some Code or Act that makes it so. But I haven't seen or found it yet. Nor have I read about or observed a law enforcement / police action that irrefutably targeted precisely that act of consenting adults exchanging money for sex without one or more of the usual tangential issues or qualifiers present.
Until then, there is no other conclusion but to go with the classic legal principle of "qui tacet consentire videtur", he who is silent seems to consent.
That being the case, by what is and is not clearly stated in the law and evidenced by adjudication in the courts, Thailand has given its consent via silence on the issue for consenting adults to exchange sex for money without fear of arrest and conviction of a crime.
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12-27-24 03:39 #3884Senior Member

Posts: 2883For you dudes arguing over whether prostitution is legal or not, ASEAN Now reports that the BIBs just cleaned out the disgusting African hookers on Beach road, not for ugliness, but for:
"During initial questioning, all 20 women admitted to arriving in Pattaya to work as sex workers catering to foreign clients. Authorities charged them under Section 5 of the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act, be. E. 2539 (1996), which prohibits public solicitation for prostitution in a manner deemed open, shameful, or disturbing to the public. ".
You can carry on now. I think you need to argue over the "deemed" clause.
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12-27-24 03:32 #3883Senior Member

Posts: 2883Sounds like you are a getting even more nervous about it. Maybe I should read all your prior posts, probably a clue there. I remember the one where you bragged about how you were Full Time in the DR. Guess next time I have a break from life due to burning hershey squirts (always a possibility in Cambodia) Ill put my Sherlock Holmes hat on.
Originally Posted by SubCmdr
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This place used to be fun and enjoyable where folks could exchange ideas and get info, then you showed up with your two bit thug pontificating and narcissism.
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12-27-24 03:21 #3882Senior Member

Posts: 7745Here we have a individual who does not even live in Pattaya giving me advice on how to conduct my affairs here in Pattaya. Individuals who don't live here have nothing to contribute to those who actually do live here.
Originally Posted by Allover
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International Tricks that do not live here don't know anything about Thai Tax Law. Why would they? They are just visitors like Explorer.
International Tricks who are not single have no place to give relationship advice to anyone because they are either breaking their marriage vows or lying to their girlfriend (s).
I am not doing any of that. In fact I find the transactional nature of relationships in Thailand quite refreshing. As opposed to our current relationship counselor running from the Thai Tax man and and hold up in Brazil while flying Thai prostitutes around the world.
I recognize the nature of relationships here in Thailand because even through we have people calling me new after how many months of boots on the ground living here in Pattaya? Where do they gain the expertise in Pattya or moral authority to do that when they don't even live here? In terms of absolute number of RON's in country I challenge anyone who does not live here to put their numbers up against mine.
Eighteen months times thirty equals?
The math word problem will be left to my readers who learned basic arithmetic in elementary school. The same exact skills I use to evaluate the financial aspects of a real estate investment in Pattaya
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12-27-24 03:16 #3881Senior Member

Posts: 7745Nye-z-hov has a obsession with ladyboys
Nye-z-hov has a obsession with ladyboys.
Originally Posted by Nyezhov
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12-27-24 03:11 #3880Senior Member

Posts: 7745Tough talk from a man obsessed with Lady Boy dick from Springfield, Ohio. Means he is eating the dog and the cat until Trump takes office and changes all that.
Originally Posted by Nyezhov
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Is this a trip report? Are you even in Thailand? Or are you doing the post from a distance thing from Cambodia or Germany or the United States of America.
Originally Posted by Nyezhov
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But maybe I didn't get the memo. Just like you haven't about the fact I am not from Richmond, Virginia. You want to prove it. Take me up on there 350000 THB challenge.
What is the name of the mental illness of a person that repeats a lie because he believes it and wants others to believe it also?
It's working. All of Nothing is repeating the lie also. I am waiting for The Ship Captain to pick up on it and join the chorus.

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