Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[Blood Red]

So Mister Smarty Pants, how would you end this war, short of taking the world to the edge of nuclear armageddon?

The warmongers have no real answer, other than a fantasy that Russia will suddenly collapse and that Putin will be overthrown. Until that happens, which it won't, they are happy to throw every last Ukrainian man and woman to the front line to be slaughtered. Now they will be happy to see 18 year olds conscripted.

Until the last Ukrainian. And when that is over, they will have a pathetic narrative they will run away with to save face (when there will be no face left to save). I bet the narrative will be something like this:

Ukraine is still on the map so Russia didn't win.

Putin didn't take Kiev in 3 days (which he never said he would, Mark Milley said that) so Russia didn't win.

Ukraine still exists as a country and Putin failed to wipe it off the map (he has never wanted to do that), even though it will exist as a dysfunctional rump state. So Russia didn't win.

OR:

They will just stop talking about it. Kinda like we have in Afghanistan. NATO spent a trillion dollars to remove the Taliban only to hand the country back to the Taliban 20 plus years later. But who talks about Afghanistan now? The mainstream western media certainly doesn't. Same will happen with Ukraine. They will just move on to the next war (Iran, South China sea).

[Paulie97]

As Elvis said, Biden could have started by picking up the phone and calling Putin. Call me naive but bribe the Ukrainians with immediate membership in the EU and the Russians with a potential pathway to NATO and the end of sanctions and everybody might just be singing Kumbaya. .

It's amazing the power nutcases like you attribute to Biden, or any other democrat that happens to occupy the WH. I suppose he can also create and steer hurricanes. Just ask Elvis. Stick with the Kumbaya. Anything else is above your head.

[Paulie97]

Haha! Well, you could have been a bit kinder and gentler, but you've made some excellent points and have me ROTFLMAO.

I think you are firmly in your chair, wanting to laugh but are unable to, as you know the caricatures so made don't represent the arguments of the supporters of Ukraine here. And at the same time, based on your constant activity here, you aren't able to take the fun vacations that this forum is about, and that I'm about to take, South America then Europe. The fallacy in play is "appeal to ridicule. ".

https://softschools.com/examples/fal..._examples/519/

Clarification: The Democratic douches whose masturbatory fantasies revolve around Russia are politicians and bureaucrats. Esteemed board members on the wrong side of this issue are just sadly misguided.

The reverse is true, given the sources you embrace, and constant, varied logical fallacies you are caught in. That's a statement of the obvious, I know. Wink.

[Xpartan]

North Korean soldiers have some serious cojones unlike their Russian counterparts.

Hunt for three North Korean soldiers who 'shot dead' five Russians on the battlefield

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...es/ar-AA1xBXGv

A manhunt is underway for three North Korean soldiers who allegedly murdered five Russian servicemen in a case of friendly fire.

The wanted men were sent to fight with Russia as part of an estimated 11,000-strong contingent dispatched to bolster Vladimir Putins armed forces in the war with Ukraine, according to reports.

The three are accused of shooting their Russian comrades all marines then going on the run with their army weapons.

Of course, I've been saying the same thing for the last three years while all our MSMs have kept singing praises to the amazingly "resilient" Putin's economy.

Russia 'on brink of collapse' as military expert warns of nuclear chaos to come

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-...itary-34527229

Russia is on the brink of "collapse" and the world needs to prepare for potential nuclear chaos inside the country, a military expert has claimed.

Retired general Ben Hodges, who once served as commander of the United States Army in Europe, suggested that Vladimir Putin's country could break up into several small states as its days as a unified republic are numbered. The former senior US military commander, who has been a regular commentator on Russia's war in Ukraine, warned that if this happened, it could cause a new wave of refugees and potential nuclear chaos.

Russians WILL lose their savings. And the fact that the failed mafia state says it won't happen means exactly that it will.

Putin Allies Scramble as Russians Fret Losing All Their Money

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-bank...terest-2015294

Russia's Central Bank has dismissed claims that retail deposits could be frozen amid jitters over the state of the country's sanctions-hit economy.

The Central Bank is headed by Elvira Nabiullina, an ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin. Another ally, Andrey Kostin, the head of Russia's VTB bank, also vehemently rejected the claims.

Sanctions imposed after Putin's full-scale invasion of Ukraine have buffeted Russia's economy. Rumors of frozen deposits have echoes of the hyperinflation following the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 and the country's financial crisis in 1998, in which many Russians lost their life savings.

Over 800,000 Russians are dead and seriously wounded.

Russias battlefield losses hit record high, says Ukraine as it prepares for impact of Trump presidency

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2683277.html

The Ukrainian military chief has said that 150,000 of Vladimir Putins troops were killed in 2024, as the countries prepare for a new era of their conflict after Donald Trump re-enters the White House.

A record 434,000 casualties, including the wounded, were suffered last year taking total Russian casualties to 819,000, claimed Oleksandr Syrskyi, Ukraines commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces. This year of combat has cost them more than the previous two years of the war combined, Mr Syrskyi told Ukrainian TV channel TSN.

Russia has gained ground in eastern Ukraine over the past year, but at the cost of heavy casualties as it throws waves of soldiers at Ukraines defensive lines.

Videos show Russians storming Ukrainian positions on scooters, motorbikes, old Russian cars and -- on crutches.

Russian commanders send invalids on crutches into meat assaults.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...e-on-crutches/

Despite losing more than 800,000 troops killed and wounded in the first three years of its wider war on Ukraine, the Russian military has still managed to sustain a front-line force of no fewer than 600,000 troops in Ukraine and western Russia. Thats enough people to give Russian field armies a manpower edge over Ukrainian forces in all of the most important sectors of the wider war.

But that doesnt mean the Kremlin isnt struggling to generate fresh troops. At least one desperate Russian command, the 20th Combined Arms Army, has formed assault groups made up of walking woundedincluding injured men walking with the aid of crutchesand sent them into battle with predictably tragic results.

One -- my ass. Sending invalids and heavily wounded soldiers into the combat is a long, venerable Russian tradition. Military police clear hospitals and sends them back into the meatgrinder. As long as you can walk -- you can fight.

[Paulie97]

Of course we all know the sort of wells Elvis and Blood Red are drinking at when it comes to evaluating the Russian economy.

"The Kremlin has launched an information operation that seeks to create the false impression that the Russian economy is performing well despite numerous continued indicators of macroeconomic distress. Russian President Vladimir Putin claimed during a meeting on economic issues on January 22 that 2024 was a "strong year" for the Russian economy. (1) Putin claimed that Russia has a manageable budget deficit of 1. 7 percent and achieved a 26 percent increase in non-oil-and-gas revenue to 25.6 trillion rubles (approximately $257.9 billion) in 2024 and announced a retroactive 9. 5 percent increase in insurance and military pensions to address rising Russian inflation. Bloomberg reported on January 21 that the Russian Finance Ministry released a report projecting economic strength and suggesting that Russian budget revenue in December 2024 reached a record high of over 4 trillion rubles (about $40 billion) — a 28 percent increase compared to December 2023 and the highest level recorded since 2011. (2) The data fails to account for Russia's unsustainable levels of defense spending, rampant inflation, a growing deficit and the erosion of Russia's sovereign wealth fund, however. (3) ISW continues to observe macroeconomic data that directly contradict the Kremlin's claims that the Russian economy is performing well. The Kremlin has recently adopted policies aimed at increasing defense spending all while Russian society faces labor shortages, broader demographic issues, declining savings, and increasing reliance on bailouts as the Russian economy faces rising interest rates, inflated salaries, and deteriorating production capacity. (4) These economic realities suggest that the Kremlin's efforts to posture economic strength are largely an information operation aimed at reassuring domestic audiences and posturing Russian strength abroad while masking the true challenges Russia's economy is facing, particularly heightened due to its war against Ukraine. ".

https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...anuary-22-2025

[Tiny 12]

And how is the West supposed to do this? By cutting off the military as"sistance? By making Ukraine capitulate? By ensuring that the next war is 100% inevitable?

How about some specifics instead of your cheap and pointless Kumbaya?

So Mister Smarty Pants, how would you end this war, short of taking the world to the edge of nuclear armageddon?

As Elvis said, Biden could have started by picking up the phone and calling Putin. Call me naive but bribe the Ukrainians with immediate membership in the EU and the Russians with a potential pathway to NATO and the end of sanctions and everybody might just be singing Kumbaya. Yeah, they may cost more than sticks, but you can buy a hell of a lot of carrots for what's being spent on this war. I do not share your apparent belief that "the next war" will occur if Ukraine doesn't have NATO troops defending its borders.

"Russia has to be the first country to join NATO. Then the others from Central and Eastern Europe can come in. There should be a kind of cartel of the U.S., Russia, and the Europeans to help ensure and improve world security."

- Boris Yeltsin

If it had happened the way Boris wanted it to, things would have turned out better.

[Xpartan]

Haha! Well, you could have been a bit kinder and gentler, but you've made some excellent points and have me ROTFLMAO.

Clarification: The Democratic douches whose masturbatory fantasies revolve around Russia are politicians and bureaucrats. Esteemed board members on the wrong side of this issue are just sadly misguided.

Has it been you, all alone?

[Tiny 12]

Well, the first thing that needs to be done is all the dumb Dems need to let go of their dicks and stop with the masturbation fantasies about the Russian economy failing, Putin being taken out of office, and Ukraine winning. So step one is Dumb Dems quit jerking off.

Step two is dumb Dems get it through their thick skulls that there is no peace without Putin. The West has made peace and deals with evil tyrants in the past and we will in the future. If you really feel like Putin is so evil, then get off your ass and go fight. You can talk all tough behind the keyboard but I think if you see people with their faces blown off and artillery shells flying over head, you would be crying like a baby screaming, "I want peace. ".

Step three is another thing dumb Dems do not get. You pick up the phone and talk to Putin. Biden has not spoken with Putin in years, but Biden is so demented I bet he thinks he has.

Step four is to ask Putin what it takes to stop the war and negotiate a settlement. Usually a settlement involves neither side getting all that they want but negotiating something they both can live with.

And before you gripe about step four, you have to do steps one through three.

And while Biden and the rest of the dumb Dems have been keeping their hands on their dicks, Putin has been gaining a stronger position day by day. If the dumb Dems were still in control, it would just be a a matter of time before our best negotiating position would be singing Kumbaya.

Yes, Ukraine is winning. Putin is on his last legs and a Gandhi like candidate is emerging to replace him promising strength through peace. Russians are having to use wheelbarrows full of money to pay for a loaf of bread, and the Ukrainian army is literally on the outskirts of Moscow.

Oh, sorry, that is not right. I just wanted to see what it felt to be a Democratic douche jacking off.

Haha.

The Russians are running out of ammo. The Russians are fighting with shovels.

Haha! Well, you could have been a bit kinder and gentler, but you've made some excellent points and have me ROTFLMAO.

Clarification: The Democratic douches whose masturbatory fantasies revolve around Russia are politicians and bureaucrats. Esteemed board members on the wrong side of this issue are just sadly misguided.

[Elvis 2008]

That is Trump talk. Hyperbole. I don't think anyone that anyone who understands how complicated this conflict is took what Trump said seriously. I certainly didn't.

Right, this is Trump's art of the deal at work. When you sell expensive things as Trump has, he has learned to start with hyperbole. If something is worth $10 million, Trump is from the school where you say, "I want $100 million for it. " It is a good form of negotiation and in this case, he is negotiating for us.

You would think after all this time people would have picked up on Trump and his hyperbole tactic by now but they have not. They buy the crazy line. "Can you believe Trump wants $10 million for that?" and this happens all the time. I do not think there is an upside for being overly rational when negotiating. It is helpful to have the other side think you are a little nuts.

And Trump and Putin are planning a sit down all ready: https://www.rt.com/russia/611278-tru...g-talks-putin/.

And while it may be helpful to be a little nuts, obviously you do not want to be full on demented like Biden was. What was so pathetic about the Biden administration is if Putin wanted peace tomorrow, he did not know who to even call. It was such a shit show.

[Xpartan]

That is Trump talk. Hyperbole. I don't think anyone that anyone who understands how complicated this conflict is took what Trump said seriously. I certainly didn't.

Finally something from a Russian propacondom that I can agree with.

No one should take whatever Trump says seriously. Ever. Unfortunately, his supporters never learn and always do. What can I say -- a sucker's born every minute.

But you already know everything there's to know about useful idiots, don't you, Igor? At least, unlike those idiots, you do get a few rubles for your troubles.

By the way, I hope you've taken care of your hard-earned rubles before they turn into monopoly money, eh, because you know how it is.

Russians are so nervous about the economy that the central bank took to Telegram to dismiss rumors about deposits being frozen

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mark...en/ar-AA1xdULB

She probably should've kept her mouth shut. You remember what happens when your beloved leaders say your money is safe, right?

https://allperestroika.ru/en/monetar...ussr-1991.html

Here's to Russia's best monetary reform ever! Zip Zip Hooray!

[Paulie97]

That is Trump talk. Hyperbole. I don't think anyone that anyone who understands how complicated this conflict is took what Trump said seriously. I certainly didn't.

Trump said 24 hours because he knew there were plenty of voters dumb enough to believe it, and judging by the credentials of his base, he was right. Regardless we clearly have a promise to solve the conflict quickly. We'll see if that happens.

[Paulie97]

Would you agree that the vast majority of the Crimean population since from 2014 up to now is Russian? That's why they all voted to join Russia. Majority is authority. I hope it's clear to you. You may not like the results, but you should accept them since you're all for democracy, right?

Why do you omit this important information?

"Crimea's final chapter before its 2014 annexation by Russia was as the Autonomous Republic of Crimea (ARC). A part of independent Ukraine and the only self-governing region within unitary Ukraine, the ARC had its own constitution, prime minister and parliament. Although the Crimean constitution protected the special status of the Russian language, the ARC supported Ukraine's independence (during the referendum of 1991 on Ukraine's independence from the Soviet Union, 54 per cent of Crimea's residents had voted for an independent Ukraine, including 57 per cent in Sevastopol). ".

And again, "democracy" at the barrel of a gun isn't democracy. A plain refusal to accept established borders isn't democracy.

"While it said that 82 per cent of voters had cast their ballots, a member of Russia's presidential Civil Society and Human Rights Council reported that turnout was likely to have totalled 30–50 per cent. 161 Election fraud such as multiple voting was also reported.

The Venice Commission of the Council of Europe concluded that the referendum was illegal, as it violated the constitutions of both Ukraine and Crimea. 162 The process also failed to meet European democratic standards or provide for meaningful negotiations between the stakeholders. The Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) sent in no observers as it also found the referendum illegal. 163 A UN General Assembly resolution underscored the invalidity of the 16 March vote. 164".

https://www.chathamhouse.org/2021/05...always-russian

https://webarchive.archive.unhcr.org...469f38ec2.html

Ivan could it be that you are just dishonest, and like Elvis, go straight to Russian propaganda sources in order to stroke your ego recycling the misinformation on a hooker forum rant thread? And this without regard for any fact checking, or desire to broaden your horizons by accessing contrary sources?

[Paulie97]

Haha.

The Russians are running out of ammo. The Russians are fighting with shovels.

Are you laughing about the 700,000 + casualties? Your mothers aren't laughing.

You'll have a tough time laughing this off as well.

https://carnegieendowment.org/russia...ulties?lang=en

But take heart, you have a friend in Elvis, one of a number of fringe Americans that lives to prop up your narratives.

[Blood Red]

I see that Trump cult members stumbled in this thread. Can a Trump cult member explain to me how come Trump didn't stop the war in 24 hours, he guaranteed that multiple times during the campaign and of course he would never lie?

That is Trump talk. Hyperbole. I don't think anyone that anyone who understands how complicated this conflict is took what Trump said seriously. I certainly didn't.

[Blood Red]

Yes, Ukraine is winning. Putin is on his last legs and a Gandhi like candidate is emerging to replace him promising strength through peace. Russians are having to use wheelbarrows full of money to pay for a loaf of bread, and the Ukrainian army is literally on the outskirts of Moscow.

Oh, sorry, that is not right. I just wanted to see what it felt to be a Democratic douche jacking off.

Haha.

The Russians are running out of ammo. The Russians are fighting with shovels.