Jakarta

[NoGermaphobe]

It's a numbers game and we are on the wrong side of the equation.

What does a high volume go go lady do in Thailand? 3, maybe 4 STs a night? And those are typically the hottest and prettiest ladies. Most Bangkok go go ladies probably aren't barfining 3 or 4 times a night. (I dunno though. I haven't been to Thailand in years so maybe another expert can shed some light on it.).

Superlove mentioned he can't even get some ladies to respond. This is not surprising. I've seen the amount of unread messages these ladies have on their phones from various apps. WeChat, WhatsApp, Line, TikTok etc. They have thousands of unread messages from hundreds of guys.

These ladies are already doing 5-10 guys a night. What makes one individual special enough for her to go out of her way to go see them (after already fucking 5-10 guys a day for 6 days out of the week), from the hundreds of others asking her to do the same thing? Especially when it is not allowed when they are on contract and paying off their debt. So she has to sneak out of the mes (dorm), lie, risk getting caught or fined, etc.

I think it is mistake to use Thailand and Philippines as any kind of corollary for the scene in Jakarta. It’s an entirely different system here.

Any idea why it is like that?

Offer a girl working in one of the sex shops in Bangkok to come by your place privately, paying her the same as you paid for her in the shop will be more than generous. As long as you didn't disgust her or live too far out of the way, most would be happy enough to drop by for something similar to what you paid at the shop, rounded down. E. g. , you paid 2200 for an hour at the shop, she will be more than happy to receive 2000 from you in private, or even 1500 if you have built some rapport or want to haggle.

If Classic girls are only getting around 100 k of the 400 k we pay, I don't get why they would not be happy to receive 400 k to drop by your place for an hour, trust issues aside. And if they're willing to come for 400 x 2-3, it doesn't seem trust is the issue.

[Werqweq]

It would be exceedingly rare and difficult, but not impossible to arrange visits to your hotel from a lady in Classic, Travel, KI, etc.

Those ladies are mostly all on contract and paying off debt for their brother's new ojek, their father's gambling debt, or furnishings for the house for the mother. Or the house itself back in the kampung. They live in a mes or dormitory with several other ladies. They are not slaves, but they are watched by a handler for their agent that loaned her family money, while they pay off their debt. They can't easily break away from the mes to spend an hour with you. They can leave to go get food, go shopping, etc. But not freelance.

A key question to ask the lady if this is something you want to arrange is if she stays in a mes or kos (apartment.) If she stays at the mes. You can mostly forget it. She would have to really know you and trust you and you would have to make it worth her while. But she is absolutely not going to come see you for the same price you get at Classic or even double that. Her coming to see you is always significantly more expensive than on site. Freelance booking out or voucher booking out from the venue is always just more expensive. If she has her own apartment, she is probably not on contract and can do whatever she wants. But you still wont get her to come for the standard on site price or a little more.

Any idea why it is like that?

Offer a girl working in one of the sex shops in Bangkok to come by your place privately, paying her the same as you paid for her in the shop will be more than generous. As long as you didn't disgust her or live too far out of the way, most would be happy enough to drop by for something similar to what you paid at the shop, rounded down. E. g. , you paid 2200 for an hour at the shop, she will be more than happy to receive 2000 from you in private, or even 1500 if you have built some rapport or want to haggle.

If Classic girls are only getting around 100 k of the 400 k we pay, I don't get why they would not be happy to receive 400 k to drop by your place for an hour, trust issues aside. And if they're willing to come for 400 x 2-3, it doesn't seem trust is the issue.

[Werqweq]

Strange that not a single Jakarta girl would see you before their shift. Where is your hotel? If you have a hotel not far from Classic, my experience is quite a few girls will love to come to your hotel early before their shift, provided they're part of the early shift.

I've not tried that, but I think that would only be of interest to people staying long-term in Jakarta. If staying for just a week, I'd prefer to pay for different girls, rather than trying to get the girl I paid to fuck two days ago to come over before work. Staying for a month, yeah, I'd probably enjoy meeting some of my favourites again once or twice before they get to work. On the other hand if there was some way to get the contacts of girls at Classic who you thought looked pretty, but have not yet banged.

I too miss the Bangkok-possibility of popping by a sex shop / freelancer during a lunch break at noon.

[Hung Man 1808]

Do you have any suggestions which places are worth exploring?

No, it's ChatGPT! Which did a pretty ordinary summary of this thread for places to go to.

You may resume your endless scrolling for info.

Or just stick to Classic, Travel and Lokasari street. Easiest way is the best way.

[SuperLove]

AR please allow lazy mongers to do hard shit, not everything should be served on a platter. Allow them to read 50-60 odd pages and filter out necessary evil information. If they can't flip they don't deserve to be here, wink wink.

The challenge of Indonesia is that it has always been a backwater compared to the mongering majors. For Jakarta, there is only a single lonely "Jakarta" thread for every subject under the sun. If you compare to Thailand Bangkok, you will see threads for General, BKK Reports, Foreign Ladies, Massage ParlourA, Massage ParlourB, etc. With this organization, there is somewhat of a specialization of where members post their information. Even then, popular discussion venues like Thermae Cafe still don't have a separate thread.

The omnibus "Jakarta" thread means that every topic under the sun, accompanied by everybody's hot take, ends up in one long thread where actual informative posts are quickly buried under other topics, hot takes, quibbling, questions, etc. Then add on non-mongering posts (which may indeed be useful to some) about VOA vs eVOA, kampung dining guides, city transit system, airport taxis, cheap bike taxis, girl friendly hotel checks, etc. Pile on top occasional trolling (eg Grab Feel), shitposting, newbie questions, person-to-person messaging chats, topped with nearly every reply to a long post being a full quote rather than edited. If you are seeking targeted Sex Guide information (eg want to know everything about awesome Classic), one ends up going though a lot of chaff to get to a tiny bit of mongering wheat, but this is the inevitable outcome of an cluttered omnibus thread. Perhaps something like sub threads for General, Lokasari, Classic and Travel, Kota Indah, High End Places (1001, Malio, ?) along with one detailed intro report to each done as a sticky would help to focus the discussions so that other "baru" new venues and methods like MiChat could get space to breathe before getting buried. If I look back at the last 50 pages, the only thing that came out really new to me was MiChat. If it proves to be the gold mine that some are claiming, then it would deserve its own thread too. As it stands now, you have to go back 10+ pages to know it even exists.

If this resonates, maybe the OG vets could have a think about this and suggest improvements to the moderator. Until then IMHO, all matter will flow into the Jakarta Ganges thread and people can scroll scroll scroll. Enjoy Jakarta, AR.

[XXL]

I usually stay at Holiday Inn or Red Top hotel. Should be close enough, don't you think?

Yes, and my wingman who was in Jakarta just for a few days sessioned only one girl from Classic. The next two days the girls came to his hotel room around midday. He also got one girl at night from the street (Lokasari) on the eve of his flight. This girl came to see him in early morning on the day of his flight.

[Asian Rain]

Considering there are only two venues and one area under discussion here, whilst other venues still active are ignored (even though gaining mention in very recent years), I'd expect Travel and Classic mania will die down one the reports start coming in of the ordinary experience.

The lack of exploration outside of 1 square km of Jakarta, and two buildings there at that, will see Jakarta falls off the chatty forums due to having gone 'downhill'.

The challenge of Indonesia is that it has always been a backwater compared to the mongering majors. For Jakarta, there is only a single lonely "Jakarta" thread for every subject under the sun. If you compare to Thailand Bangkok, you will see threads for General, BKK Reports, Foreign Ladies, Massage ParlourA, Massage ParlourB, etc. With this organization, there is somewhat of a specialization of where members post their information. Even then, popular discussion venues like Thermae Cafe still don't have a separate thread.

The omnibus "Jakarta" thread means that every topic under the sun, accompanied by everybody's hot take, ends up in one long thread where actual informative posts are quickly buried under other topics, hot takes, quibbling, questions, etc. Then add on non-mongering posts (which may indeed be useful to some) about VOA vs eVOA, kampung dining guides, city transit system, airport taxis, cheap bike taxis, girl friendly hotel checks, etc. Pile on top occasional trolling (eg Grab Feel), shitposting, newbie questions, person-to-person messaging chats, topped with nearly every reply to a long post being a full quote rather than edited. If you are seeking targeted Sex Guide information (eg want to know everything about awesome Classic), one ends up going though a lot of chaff to get to a tiny bit of mongering wheat, but this is the inevitable outcome of an cluttered omnibus thread. Perhaps something like sub threads for General, Lokasari, Classic and Travel, Kota Indah, High End Places (1001, Malio, ?) along with one detailed intro report to each done as a sticky would help to focus the discussions so that other "baru" new venues and methods like MiChat could get space to breathe before getting buried. If I look back at the last 50 pages, the only thing that came out really new to me was MiChat. If it proves to be the gold mine that some are claiming, then it would deserve its own thread too. As it stands now, you have to go back 10+ pages to know it even exists.

If this resonates, maybe the OG vets could have a think about this and suggest improvements to the moderator. Until then IMHO, all matter will flow into the Jakarta Ganges thread and people can scroll scroll scroll. Enjoy Jakarta, AR.

[Safado70]

Strange that not a single Jakarta girl would see you before their shift. Where is your hotel? If you have a hotel not far from Classic, my experience is quite a few girls will love to come to your hotel early before their shift, provided they're part of the early shift.

I usually stay at Holiday Inn or Red Top hotel. Should be close enough, don't you think?

[Safado70]

The lack of exploration outside of 1 square km of Jakarta, and two buildings there at that, will see Jakarta falls off the chatty forums due to having gone 'downhill'.

Do you have any suggestions which places are worth exploring?

[XXL]

What I really miss in Jakarta a good options for morning or early afternoon sex. TF in Pattaya gives you an abundance of opportunities for this. So far, I didn't have a lot of success with the online options in Jakarta. And not a single girl of the above mentioned venues would see me before her shift. The only chance to see these girls in my hotel room would be on their day off. Please don't think these girls get one day off per week. It's usually less. And a girl that only has two free days per month is not going to get up early just to meet a horny monger in his hotel room.

On TF few girls will be available to come in early afternoon, and very few indeed in the morning, except some girls who've been with a john all night and don't mind doing an additional short time on the way home, but who wants a girl who's sleepy and fresh from some other man's bed?

Strange that not a single Jakarta girl would see you before their shift. Where is your hotel? If you have a hotel not far from Classic, my experience is quite a few girls will love to come to your hotel early before their shift, provided they're part of the early shift.

[BlackEngine44]

I am very surprised you found emporium as average and 1001 just good enough. For me both these places are kick ass in terms of quality, one can complain about the service not the quality on display. You'll have a hard time in Jakarta going forward and going by your report you seem to be very choosy. I think (just my feel don't be upset) Jakarta is not for you unless you lower your standards, try Middle East or west central Asia or Russia. Better face features better body structure and quality, though service may vary. Jakarta seems to be working for those who prefer good service and also for those who are price sensitive for example classic. If your sole aim is quality then my best wishes to you.

For me Quality rating:

1001 - ten on ten.

Emporium. Eight or nine on ten.

Classic. Five or six on ten with the occasional gems who are seven to eight on ten.

Just my 2 cents.

Thank you for this comment as it would allow me to open up an interesting topic on rating. Each man has their own rating system and I think ISG in general is very generous to look ratings. I try my best to be realistic so readers can manage their expectations.

I have personally never mongered in a place with more than 5 "good picks" at any given time as I generally am choosy, however its a fun challenge and part of the hunt for me.

My idea is that for me to pay, she has to be worth it. Someone not easily encountered and really a standout from the average girl. So I only aim for 8, 9's. I don't even look at 6's and below while 7's would depend on how desperate I am. I would rather not get any action than do it with a 6 and below since I physically would not be able to maintain my erection long enough to finish without the help of pills in that scenario.

So here is my relative rating system (this should work anywhere in the world):

1-6: Don't even notice these and filter them out right away.

7: Objectively a cutie. Everyone can objectively say she is cuter than the average woman in the world. She would be a classroom crush or a pretty girl in her school. An average looking man or uglier (5 or below) would be happy to date her.

8: Objectively pretty. A clear standout from the average and can be easily spotted in a room. At this level, they can easily become micro-influencers in their city. These are the girls who have a distinct advantage in climbing the corporate ladder because of their looks. Pretty privilege would start at this level and retail workers will likely smile when serving them.

9: Print ad model. These girls can be a print ad model in their home countries / ethnic segment. Think fast fashion models in ads you see around a local clothing store.

10: Celebrities. These women are outright celebrity level in their home countries.

[SuperLove]

Couldn't have agreed more on this, most public working girl houses open by 2 pm and good enough only by 4-5 pm, good influx of ladies by then. Morning wood is a big problem in Jakarta that's where an overnighter comes into play.

What I really miss in Jakarta a good options for morning or early afternoon sex. TF in Pattaya gives you an abundance of opportunities for this. So far, I didn't have a lot of success with the online options in Jakarta. And not a single girl of the above mentioned venues would see me before her shift. The only chance to see these girls in my hotel room would be on their day off. Please don't think these girls get one day off per week. It's usually less. And a girl that only has two free days per month is not going to get up early just to meet a horny monger in his hotel room.

[SuperLove]

Bro I banged more than a dozen of them and with each took their respective nos. But the problem is either they don't respond to my messages or send me semi auto messages and makes you wonder if they are being handled by a male handler. Anyways there are too many chicks to be tried and tested at classic.

Oh sorry I misunderstood your question. I do have a cpl of them on WhatsApp but for the most part they are unresponsive. I know shentiya does answer me on WhatsApp tho and has even reached out asking me when I'm going to repeat with her lol. I'm not sure if they would be willing to meet outside of classic but idk why not. You would probably have to see the said girl inside classic first and then get her WhatsApp and if she is responsive to your messages then try to ask about that. I've never gone that route as I'm more of a numbers guy rather than a repeat guy. I've only been repeating with the one that acts like a girlfriend.

You should try that with some classic girls and see if you are successful and then report back about it. That would be interesting to see if it could be done and at what price point they would come to you outside of work hours.

Gabacho.

[Hung Man 1808]

Then sometime in early 2008, there was an HIV scare that went around. I believe it started with a lady working in Travel. Rumor was that it was a foreigner that infected her. Or at least they were blamed. Regardless, overnight the scene dramatically changed. Ladies there would not even look at a bule.

Bad bule! Bule bad! Yep, want a scapegoat, look for whitey. Skin colour of scapegoat may be subject to change without notice.

In 2009, at Bintang Mawar in Lokasari, I couldn't get any interest from mama or the girls. Till I spotted a girl I know from multiple venues and private visits. In the room, when asking why I was being ignored, she said Bule bring bombs. Ignore the bule, they go away, so do the bombings. There was a recent bombing, but it wasn't in Bali, or even remotely where a bule is likely to go. But yep, it was our fault. This is also the time when the only Bule I've ever seen in that area was in Stadium, and that was in the club only. I was in the area often.

I also asked her if locals used condoms. The answer? "Sometimes".

Considering there are only two venues and one area under discussion here, whilst other venues still active are ignored (even though gaining mention in very recent years), I'd expect Travel and Classic mania will die down one the reports start coming in of the ordinary experience. As these places were renowned for pre-covid. Not that anyone looks back far enough to note that. Guess you had to be there.

The lack of exploration outside of 1 square km of Jakarta, and two buildings there at that, will see Jakarta falls off the chatty forums due to having gone 'downhill'.

[Safado70]

What I really miss in Jakarta a good options for morning or early afternoon sex. TF in Pattaya gives you an abundance of opportunities for this. So far, I didn't have a lot of success with the online options in Jakarta. And not a single girl of the above mentioned venues would see me before her shift. The only chance to see these girls in my hotel room would be on their day off. Please don't think these girls get one day off per week. It's usually less. And a girl that only has two free days per month is not going to get up early just to meet a horny monger in his hotel room.