Jakarta

[Plant Smoke]

At 1001, Malio, emporium your job is to see it early. If she reaches for the plastic wrapper before suck job you are in trouble (providing you didn't interview her for it).

You should stop her in her tracks. The best reply will get a frown from her, because she sees cancel on her horizon.

"are you going to attempt to blow me with a condom? You are the no-fun girl, your new name. "

Segway. BCA bank is the king of the jungle, undisputed. Never an access fee. Always can withdraw 2.5 juta. NIAGA has stuck me with 750000 access fee.

It doesn't matter if schwabb reimburses you. You should reward schwabbs outstanding account and customer service by seeking out non-access fee ATMS.

[JennyKk]

What I really miss in Jakarta a good options for morning or early afternoon sex. TF in Pattaya gives you an abundance of opportunities for this. So far, I didn't have a lot of success with the online options in Jakarta. And not a single girl of the above mentioned venues would see me before her shift. The only chance to see these girls in my hotel room would be on their day off. Please don't think these girls get one day off per week. It's usually less. And a girl that only has two free days per month is not going to get up early just to meet a horny monger in his hotel room.

Try michat.

[Fudimaar]

I just spend a few hours in New Sari Ayu at Kota Indah, and had a great night. This is my favourite place here because it has quite a lot of chunky / besar / curvy girls. Just the type that I like. Anyway, I got chatting with a local guy on my sofa, and he spoke great English. He was very friendly, and told me that he comes here every week, drinks a ton of beers and bangs a girls or two. I told him I'm interested in this cute girl I'd spotted a while back, and can you believe it, there was no mami in sight. So, he goes up to the girl and tells her to come over to talk to me. Then he finds me a mami, and gives me a fist pump as me and the girl head off. An hour later, I return to join him. He'd ordered 5 bottles of beer for himself when I first saw him, and he's now through most of them. Anyway, we chat some more, and he tells me there's a very friendly girl that he knows who is curvy. I ask, which one? He walks me to her, and the guy and the girl exchange giggly comments. They are friends, apparently. I tell him, "Yep, she's definitely my type! So he invites her over to sit with us. She knows zero English. And I'm like "Saya tidah bisa Bihasa". He acts as the translator, and creates a great vibe between the 3 of us, talking, joking, laughing and the girl is enjoying it. After about 15 minutes, me and her head off, and he tells her to give me great service. In the room, the girl was awesome. Very complaint, and genuinely wanting to ensure I had a great time. Some of that could be her nature, and some could be because of the rapport we had built in the bar, thanks mostly to the local guy.

After this 2nd bang, I head down again, and join this guy. He now introduces me to another local guy, and the three of us enjoy some beers, and shoot the breeze for a while before I leave.

The moral of the story. Having a local guy at a place like this seriously improved my success rate. And it made the whole evening so much more fun.

[Gabacho]

I may have to stay here as the best option for another primary agenda next month but I want to bring girls back to my room in the evening. Is this place known to the guest-friendly?

If only there were a section called Jakarta Hotels.

[Plant Smoke]

Yes I too had a horror experience in Jakarta and other parts in Bali. Basically number 1 rule. No deposit. Don't got to mini mart in ATMs doing money transfers or going to ATMs to do transfer deposits as tempting to secure your booking.

If this indeed is a legitimate lady or scammer you loose all control, your basically are controlled by 'them' and obviously on the way to loose your deposit money. Do a search of numbers to see if any clues come up different photos or impossible that they would be in two places at same time eg Jakarta / Bali

In my case I went to their hotel I did not pay a deposit waited outside sent photos of the hotel and cash in my hand and 'they' told me no deal as I wouldn't deposit 500 k to secure my place with this hot girl!!! I suspect it was either a scammer or some ugly girl posing as a nice girl knowing that she wouldn't be getting her pay day hence I wasted 3hrs of messages and walking around.

This happened both in Jakarta and Bali. My tip is video call, see if their real, don't deposit unless your willing to loose both control & your hard earned cash, I rather stay near BlokM or near classic hotel as opposed to trying to figure out who's real and who's fake. If you had success on Michat, well done, keep the app on your phone, for me it was a lesson in time wasted. But money kept.

Batam was actually worse on Michat. Out of 20 girls that came to, in front of hotel for look-see, 20 had fake photos. I gave a few of them 50,000 for transpo return.

Then I started announcing that if they faked there photos, and I determined that, then they get nothing. They definitely plan out the process, either themselves, or.

More likely male agents. That would be a good thing to ask Michat girls. "Do you have a papasan or agent". When you get male indos involved, you take freelance out of the equation.

These girls 50% of them arrived with covid face masks, part of their game. They understand if they get you in the elevator their chances of "sticking" increases.

So why would Batam be a good visa run to Singapore? For a change. I went to a *****house / Lokalisasi called Sintai 20 kilometers south of nagoya. It was a lot of fun.

It was lokalisasi, old style. Where the girls ran off their plastic chairs to want to be with you. I only saw one girl run off back into the house dick-scared. Actually quite asmazing.

In Indonesia, that this place is still open.

I thought the bars / discos also warranted another look, but did not have time. Plantsmoke; furnishing you with cutting edge info. Since Feb. 2025.

[CrappyBarra]

Except for the horribly repetitive and boring breakfast, I like Redtop for the price / value / location. I have stayed there two times, but thinking about Merlynn Park next time (and probably motobiketaxi to Classic), mainly as Movenpick is both a bit too expensive, but also rooms there lack a bathtub it seems.

I may have to stay here as the best option for another primary agenda next month but I want to bring girls back to my room in the evening. Is this place known to the guest-friendly?

[SuperLove]

Officially, an overnighter from emporium will cost you 6-7 juta, confirmed. Asking 5 mn is absurd and also not, I'll tell you why. The risks are very high because if she is caught she has to pay a penalty fine like 1.5-2 juta or more for providing outcall services plus her roster will change and become more aggressive. These girls are clearly told they Cannot entertain emporium clients outside work. In one instance I know a girl's phone was screened if she was doing so.

Well done!

"Sneaking" is the operative word. My wingman (also staying at Moevenpick) whom I mentioned in a previous post tried to play the same trick on an Emporium girl doing some shopping in the convenience store across the street from Emporium. He came out a cropper though because the girl was not alone. She was chaperoned by some other girl or mamasan who interposed herself energetically, quoting an absurd price like 5 juta for a Moevenpick visit..

[CallSignRomeo]

It's a numbers game and we are on the wrong side of the equation.

These ladies are already doing 5-10 guys a night. What makes one individual special enough for her to go out of her way to go see them (after already fucking 5-10 guys a day for 6 days out of the week), from the hundreds of others asking her to do the same thing? Especially when it is not allowed when they are on contract and paying off their debt. So she has to sneak out of the mes (dorm), lie, risk getting caught or fined, etc.

This is true for most of the working ladies across most parts of the world. From my understanding risk is even higher here as they are on contract and can lose their withheld salary / or face violence if caught doing anything against the arrangement they have with establishment.

[XXL]

Sometime last year, I messaged one Emporium (hot) girl to come and see me before her shift, I came from Singapore that morning and was too tired to go out. I stayed at Movenpick next door and she sneaked in somehow as she didn't want to be seen by security. She came for 2-3 hours and went to emporium straight away. Service was excellent and allowed me all plus massage and I paid her 2 mn with a smile, it wasn't about money, it was about getting it at that time. In my next trip I invited her to Bali and we had 2 days to ourselves, oh whatttttttt a trip. She told me it wasn't her first.

Well done!

"Sneaking" is the operative word. My wingman (also staying at Moevenpick) whom I mentioned in a previous post tried to play the same trick on an Emporium girl doing some shopping in the convenience store across the street from Emporium. He came out a cropper though because the girl was not alone. She was chaperoned by some other girl or mamasan who interposed herself energetically, quoting an absurd price like 5 juta for a Moevenpick visit.

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I remember some guy saying he couldn't get into classic wearing a tanktop but he was able to get into travel wearing his tanktop and then another poster said travel was hurting for customers. Well why do you think they are hurting for customers? It's obvious there is a direct correlation between condom enforcement and losing customers.
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Someone mentioned Classic and Travel belonged to the same outfit. It would make sense for said outfit to assign girls according to their willingness to go bareback. Kamikaze girls get to work at Classic's, the other girls at Travel's. If this is what happens, it may not be feasable for Travel's to enforce a more customer-friendly condom policy.

Sorry dude, but you must have been doing something wrong then. Everyone says TF works great in Pattaya, and not so great in Bangkok, but even in Bangkok it works pretty good for p4p, though I've mostly used it to meet normal non-p4p girls (apparently in Pattaya most on TF are p4p, but in Bangkok that is not so).

Not everyone says TF works great in Pattaya. I for one have found youngish decent-looking TF girls (15% of TF girls) very hard to get, even by overpaying. One forum member said TF is great, provided you only go for girls who message you first. Good luck with that when you get messaged first only by little old ladies.

[Werqweq]

Funny you say that because as I have reported. I gave up on Thai Friendly after repeated trips and repeated tries. Even tried once more with all the posters saying it was great for BBFS and less costly. ZERO zero dates off of TF. Spent maybe 20-30 hours in three separate trips in Pattaya in 2023,2025 with nothing more than "Hi " "Hi" "okey" responses. No dates. I won't try it again.

In Jakarta TanTan and Tinder worked like a charm. In addition Classic was awesome and I got the service I wanted with tips. Goes to show. Different stokes for different folks. I am confidant my messages on Thai Friendly were included in what NoGermaphobe witnessed.

Sorry dude, but you must have been doing something wrong then. Everyone says TF works great in Pattaya, and not so great in Bangkok, but even in Bangkok it works pretty good for p4p, though I've mostly used it to meet normal non-p4p girls (apparently in Pattaya most on TF are p4p, but in Bangkok that is not so).

[Werqweq]

It's a numbers game and we are on the wrong side of the equation.

What does a high volume go go lady do in Thailand? 3, maybe 4 STs a night? And those are typically the hottest and prettiest ladies. Most Bangkok go go ladies probably aren't barfining 3 or 4 times a night. (I dunno though. I haven't been to Thailand in years so maybe another expert can shed some light on it.).

These ladies are already doing 5-10 guys a night. What makes one individual special enough for her to go out of her way to go see them (after already fucking 5-10 guys a day for 6 days out of the week), from the hundreds of others asking her to do the same thing? Especially when it is not allowed when they are on contract and paying off their debt. So she has to sneak out of the mes (dorm), lie, risk getting caught or fined, etc.

I think it is mistake to use Thailand and Philippines as any kind of corollary for the scene in Jakarta. Its an entirely different system here.

You're right about Bangkok. Most go-go girls aren't even getting barfined once a night, and somebody fucking four guys? A rare happening for even the hottest go-go girl I'm sure. But no, I was talking about girls who work in the sex-shops 12:00 - 00:00. These shops are even more point and shoot than Classic.

I'd think what makes this individual special for a girl at Classic is that she will get paid 400 k to bang him in his room before work, rather than 100 k to bang him at Classic.

Anyway, I just now got a pretty nifty idea from AsianRain on how I can at least make an attempt at offering this to girls at Classic that I have not yet banged. I'll try to spot a few girls I want to make the offer and see if anything comes of it.

[SuperLove]

Sometime last year, I messaged one Emporium (hot) girl to come and see me before her shift, I came from Singapore that morning and was too tired to go out. I stayed at Movenpick next door and she sneaked in somehow as she didn't want to be seen by security. She came for 2-3 hours and went to emporium straight away. Service was excellent and allowed me all plus massage and I paid her 2 mn with a smile, it wasn't about money, it was about getting it at that time. In my next trip I invited her to Bali and we had 2 days to ourselves, oh whatttttttt a trip. She told me it wasn't her first.

On TF few girls will be available to come in early afternoon, and very few indeed in the morning, except some girls who've been with a john all night and don't mind doing an additional short time on the way home, but who wants a girl who's sleepy and fresh from some other man's bed?

Strange that not a single Jakarta girl would see you before their shift. Where is your hotel? If you have a hotel not far from Classic, my experience is quite a few girls will love to come to your hotel early before their shift, provided they're part of the early shift.

[SuperLove]

Typically a girl at classic works anywhere between 3-6 months, I remember last year I sessioned with 5-6 girls and they were pretty good. In my next trip none were to be seen and when I enquired with their mama's they said Resign. Most girls are working to pay off their family debts, why else would a girl work for 10-12 hours a day and spoil her health. Most girls take up a side job and become semi pros or freelancers afterwards. We like the atmosphere at Classic because we come and go but imagine spending hours daily in that noise smoke and music, truly unimaginable, gutted.

It's a numbers game and we are on the wrong side of the equation.

What does a high volume go go lady do in Thailand? 3, maybe 4 STs a night? And those are typically the hottest and prettiest ladies. Most Bangkok go go ladies probably aren't barfining 3 or 4 times a night. (I dunno though. I haven't been to Thailand in years so maybe another expert can shed some light on it.).

Superlove mentioned he can't even get some ladies to respond. This is not surprising. I've seen the amount of unread messages these ladies have on their phones from various apps. WeChat, WhatsApp, Line, TikTok etc. They have thousands of unread messages from hundreds of guys.

These ladies are already doing 5-10 guys a night. What makes one individual special enough for her to go out of her way to go see them (after already fucking 5-10 guys a day for 6 days out of the week), from the hundreds of others asking her to do the same thing? Especially when it is not allowed when they are on contract and paying off their debt. So she has to sneak out of the mes (dorm), lie, risk getting caught or fined, etc.

I think it is mistake to use Thailand and Philippines as any kind of corollary for the scene in Jakarta. Its an entirely different system here.

[Gabacho]

It's a numbers game and we are on the wrong side of the equation.

What does a high volume go go lady do in Thailand? 3, maybe 4 STs a night? And those are typically the hottest and prettiest ladies. Most Bangkok go go ladies probably aren't barfining 3 or 4 times a night. (I dunno though. I haven't been to Thailand in years so maybe another expert can shed some light on it.).

Superlove mentioned he can't even get some ladies to respond. This is not surprising. I've seen the amount of unread messages these ladies have on their phones from various apps. WeChat, WhatsApp, Line, TikTok etc. They have thousands of unread messages from hundreds of guys.

These ladies are already doing 5-10 guys a night. What makes one individual special enough for her to go out of her way to go see them (after already fucking 5-10 guys a day for 6 days out of the week), from the hundreds of others asking her to do the same thing? Especially when it is not allowed when they are on contract and paying off their debt. So she has to sneak out of the mes (dorm), lie, risk getting caught or fined, etc.

I think it is mistake to use Thailand and Philippines as any kind of corollary for the scene in Jakarta. Its an entirely different system here.

That's why you go to Thailand during the low season.

[GentileBear]

I've seen the amount of unread messages these ladies have on their phones from various apps. WeChat, WhatsApp, Line, TikTok etc. They have thousands of unread messages from hundreds of guys.

Its an entirely different system here.

Funny you say that because as I have reported. I gave up on Thai Friendly after repeated trips and repeated tries. Even tried once more with all the posters saying it was great for BBFS and less costly. ZERO zero dates off of TF. Spent maybe 20-30 hours in three separate trips in Pattaya in 2023,2025 with nothing more than "Hi " "Hi" "okey" responses. No dates. I won't try it again.

In Jakarta TanTan and Tinder worked like a charm. In addition Classic was awesome and I got the service I wanted with tips. Goes to show. Different stokes for different folks. I am confidant my messages on Thai Friendly were included in what NoGermaphobe witnessed.