Bangkok Reports

[11Bravo]

Around lunch time I took a Grab over to Biwa. The online reviews describe it as a local place with "older but still OK" women, and cheaper prices. I like both of those! It's north of sukhumvit in Watthana? By the expressway. Several Japanese-language mongering websites have a review of it.

As soon as I walked in I noticed that the fishbowl viewing seats were about as far from the fishbowl as you could get. I would need binoculars if I chose from that distance. Thats not a good sign. I get a semi-long distance view of the providers, about 25 of them, mostly 40-50 years old, and it looks like a horror movie. So many of them wore expressions like they just got off the phone after an argument with their ex-husband's latest girlfriend. And the alarm bells are going off in my head. Why are all these providers wearing so much? No one is showing any skin (except the fat girls showing cleavage). Long skirts and heavy clothes, sweaters, wraps. There is a LOT of camouflage going on.

But since it was my first time I wanted to sit for a while and get the vibe, so I sat at a table and ordered some lunch and observed the proceedings. I talked to the waitress and asked what the pricing structure was. She said 1200 for the girls on the far side of the room, and 1500 for the close side of the room. Same as I'd read online. Check.

I spent about 20 minutes sitting there, staring at the completely inedible Larb Moo, watching a few girls come and go with EXTREMELY LOW RENT clientelle. These local mongers make me look like prince fucking charming. I finally decided it was time to stand up close to the girls and see if anything was fuckable. I came all this way, I already took a viagara. I could at least try.

So I paid for the meal I didn't eat. To her credit the friendly waitress asked me why I didn't eat it. I said I didn't like it, but asked her to let me pay anyway. I still wanted to try a girl, and didn't want to start out with an argument over regretable food.

I got up and stood in front of the fishbowl, searching for something fuckable, and when the wrangler approached I asked for his help with the selection process. He says "all girls 2000 baht". Of course I immediately throw it back at him. "Fuck you. You don't charge anyone else 2000. These are 1500, those are 1200". He immediately looks away and down, embarrased to be such a piece of shit, no longer able to make eye contact, mumbling something about "policy". Since I was already having trouble finding anything I would even pay 1200 for, I just walked.

In the parking lot while waiting for Grab, I asked some random ugly Japanese dude what he pays. Of course he says 1200 for the far side, 1500 for the near side.

Fargler.

LOL at YOUR expense; thank you. Appreciate the time and effort it takes to post. Sometimes you do just have to walk. But IME, viagra does last, so hopefully it wasn't completely wasted. Sad BG7 just history now (says the old fart), was usually good for some afternoon relief.

Thanks much to Khun Hunter for a solid report. Too bad the girls he pulled were duds.

The ole boots don't do too much humping these days, but... Christmas is coming (pun intended). Cheers.

[Bunky]

I'm around 40, average looking. I'm white / Asian, speak some Japanese. Prefer young spinners.

Thaniya Road. 900/hour for all you can drink. 200/girl drink. 4000 ST. 5000 LT. 800 BF. Asked her if she would do BJ in the room, she said OK, 2 k. She took my $, spent about 60 seconds and then stopped like she was done. I was like WTF, finish. She said 1 k more. I said forget it, settled the bill and left.

Patpong. Kings Castle 1 & 2 4000 ST; 8000 LT was the ask. BF was around 1000.

Short Time in Hotel. She refused to do any BJ at all. Proceeded with CFS. After about 30-45 min I wasn't done but she was and she hopped in the shower.

Thanks much to Khun Hunter for a solid report. Too bad the girls he pulled were duds.

[EihTooms]

Why do folks always put it to you living somewhere or being a regular customer as the reason you are able to do certain things? This shit is nothing special and not anything that anybody else can not do. If it does not work out the same for you, then it has nothing to do with not living there or not being known there. Look for other reasons.

Sometimes everything just ain't for everybody. Like the man (Thomas Sowell) said, everybody has equality of opportunity, but not equality of outcome. Because it does not work out the same for you, does not nean he is doing something special for it to work out for him.

Well, Werqweq did say the manager asked him if he had been in her shop before. Which is in the section of his post that you quoted. Presumably he told her the truth and said Yes.

And I have been asked the same question in various service or product related shops for most of my life whenever the issue of the owner or manager of the place extending themselves for me or going the extra mile for me is on the table.

So there must be some added value in the minds of shop owners in a customer being considered at least a repeat customer rather than merely a "random stranger" who is just passing through.

[Fargler]

Around lunch time I took a Grab over to Biwa. The online reviews describe it as a local place with "older but still OK" women, and cheaper prices. I like both of those! It's north of sukhumvit in Watthana? By the expressway. Several Japanese-language mongering websites have a review of it.

As soon as I walked in I noticed that the fishbowl viewing seats were about as far from the fishbowl as you could get. I would need binoculars if I chose from that distance. Thats not a good sign. I get a semi-long distance view of the providers, about 25 of them, mostly 40-50 years old, and it looks like a horror movie. So many of them wore expressions like they just got off the phone after an argument with their ex-husband's latest girlfriend. And the alarm bells are going off in my head. Why are all these providers wearing so much? No one is showing any skin (except the fat girls showing cleavage). Long skirts and heavy clothes, sweaters, wraps. There is a LOT of camouflage going on.

But since it was my first time I wanted to sit for a while and get the vibe, so I sat at a table and ordered some lunch and observed the proceedings. I talked to the waitress and asked what the pricing structure was. She said 1200 for the girls on the far side of the room, and 1500 for the close side of the room. Same as I'd read online. Check.

I spent about 20 minutes sitting there, staring at the completely inedible Larb Moo, watching a few girls come and go with EXTREMELY LOW RENT clientelle. These local mongers make me look like prince fucking charming. I finally decided it was time to stand up close to the girls and see if anything was fuckable. I came all this way, I already took a viagara. I could at least try.

So I paid for the meal I didn't eat. To her credit the friendly waitress asked me why I didn't eat it. I said I didn't like it, but asked her to let me pay anyway. I still wanted to try a girl, and didn't want to start out with an argument over regretable food.

I got up and stood in front of the fishbowl, searching for something fuckable, and when the wrangler approached I asked for his help with the selection process. He says "all girls 2000 baht". Of course I immediately throw it back at him. "Fuck you. You don't charge anyone else 2000. These are 1500, those are 1200". He immediately looks away and down, embarrased to be such a piece of shit, no longer able to make eye contact, mumbling something about "policy". Since I was already having trouble finding anything I would even pay 1200 for, I just walked.

In the parking lot while waiting for Grab, I asked some random ugly Japanese dude what he pays. Of course he says 1200 for the far side, 1500 for the near side.

Fargler.

[Werqweq]

Why do folks always put it to you living somewhere or being a regular customer as the reason you are able to do certain things? This shit is nothing special and not anything that anybody else can not do. If it does not work out the same for you, then it has nothing to do with not living there or not being known there. Look for other reasons.

LOL. And sometimes, it not working out has everything to do with you being known there. There used to be (probably still is) a woman in one of the regular massage shops on soi 22, who I had visited for a thai massage, ending with a blowjob, probably a dozen times if not more. After the last time, last summer or winter, she told me not to choose her anymore, as she had become bored with me always keeping her head locked down on my dick when coming, to complete the CIM. "You always do that. "

At around the same time a 20 year old girl in a massage shop on the same soi, and who I had quietly banged in the shop some days before, gave me a really suspicious look when I excited the cubicle after receiving a thai massage from one of her, also quite pretty but 6-7 year older, colleagues. It was so funny I had to chuckle and give her a wink, even though I think I did not manage to bang her colleague.

[Werqweq]

The ipad had some real lookers, and as I was leaving there was a girl arriving that was a high 8.

That's when you should have asked the manager what that girl's name was, so you could message it to me afterwards.

[Werqweq]

But I don't see that I was being "duragatory" in my characterization of the lady who was recruited from the unnamed bar as "a 30+ year old lady of moderately acceptable looks". I was instead trying to be accurate based on your description of her:

In fact, "moderately acceptable looks" actually sounds better to me than "ok enough". That is, if you had ever seen the ladies I was quite agreeable to having sex with in my life that could objectively be considered "ok enough". LOL.

Okey, I see your point about that. By closer to 30 than to 20, I meant she was in the 25-30 age bracket, rather than 20-24. Perhaps that wording is more ambiguous than I thought.

Anyway, the point I wanted to make was that she was the average type of massage parlour woman, rather than some special "last ditch effort" woman given me for this just because they ended up not charging me anything extra for her. The guy who saw they have another shop /"outlet" at Phrom Phong, and guessed the line-up shown me on the video call was from there, was probably spot on.

"ok enough" is unfortunately what I will describe most of the massage shop women I end up banging as, after skipping the 90% that are "not ok enough". Exceptions are far in between these days among the lower tier massage shops it seems, so perhaps in a week or two I will start looking at what replaced fiwfans. I see the various telegram channels I joined when fiwfans was still running seem as busy as before, but haven't bothered to look at the contents yet.

[Old And Ugly]

At least Wonder massage (near Asoke BTS) have something called "couples massage". I'm not a couple, so I have not tried, but there it is. This is a sex shop, not a massage shop, but at least some of the staff ("Jacky", probably others too), have worked in regular massage shops before (or so she claimed when I asked, and I only asked because it felt professional), so they can give your female friend a good (though expensive) normal oil massage if it turns out that is all she wants.

I've seen "couples massage" elsewhere too, but the managers at Wonder are above average customer friendly, and seem to take the time to explain stuff to customers I've noted. In your case I'd probably go a day in advance by myself and talk with them about what you want (e.g., perhaps make sure they tell the girls to limit things to a handjob if your female friend is going to be in the room with you, or maybe not even that.) and see if they can accommodate, as well as to see if they have any women you think are are attractive and who are willing to play with other women, so you can pre-book.

Just your female friend and massage staff alone in the room is also possible at some shops (don't know if Wonder is one of them), but quite a bit more rare I suspect. Less staff may be willing to do that, but I know that also happens sometimes. One shop girl I asked what she would do if if some farang woman came in and chose her? "I don't know, I hope she not choose me.", though she had had several "couples" sessions.

IMO, most shops (Wonder included) have far too few attractive staff working there for you and your friends to drop-in and have a decent chance of finding 2-4 attractive women. I don't pre-book, but then I usually have to drop in on 2-5 different shops before I find even one, and sometimes I don't find anyone. Obviously you don't want to do that with your whole entourage in tow.


No idea, but be sure to stay away from the arab's bar if you go to soi cowboy (spice girls, rio, deja vu, midnite, venus). They're scam bars, and were so 15 years ago also. Sadly still in business.

Crazy House at the corner of Soi Cowboy (the Soi 23 exit side) has nude dancers, which is rare at the moment, and thus may be extra interesting for your friends. Most of the more experienced people here seem to recommend Nana over Soi Cowboy though.

Like the other brother here suggested, perhaps have your female friends try to catch the eye of some of them and buy them a lady drink.

Only reason I bothered responding.

Last year I toured every single bar in BKK with an US-Thai GF, because she was always curious about, but she never got the chance to get in any of them, we didn't encountered any problems at all. In some of them we stayed and had a drink, other ones just walked thru then exited, whatever she wanted, was her tour, but no problems going in as a couple. At Nana Plaza she had to show the US passport to the check point at the entry.

This year I did the same with my PH GF, but not as extensive as last year's tour, we couldn't get into Nana Plaza because she didn't have the passport on her, and we stopped shortly after we picked up a girl from a bar with nude dancers, somewhere next to Soy Cowboy on a back street.

We had couple massages many times but was in the main room with some curtains pulled over for privacy. GF didn't want to have any extras in the salons, and I didn't want it also, even when the GF insisted that I should do it, I like the privacy of my hotel room.

We had few massages in the hotel room, but was always with only one masseuse, we couldn't find 2 likeminded ones for a 4 some afterwards.

[SpinnerHunter]

Maybe I missed one that was posted. But your much appreciated report on the session or rather half a session, if that, at one of those KTVs on Thaniya Road is the first report I have read anywhere that actually described some form of skin-to-skin sexual contact with a girl in one of those places.

And, I have to say, what happened and didn't happen for you in there sounds exactly like what I always suspected would happen to me if I went along with the mamasan catcalls to "come inside, choose a girl" I get when I walk past them.

Well, actually, since you are a white / Japanese around 40 years old who speaks some Japanese while I am a white / only guy around 70 years old who speaks no Japanese I suspect I wouldn't even get the crappy 60 second, no finish "BBBJCIM" agreed to by the girl for my 2200 thb including the courtesy LD for the mamasan.

Can you share whether that was your first time in one of those Thaniya Road KTVs? If not, were previous visits more rewarding than that time? Hard to imagine they wouldn't be I suppose.

I see you prefer KTVs. Are there other KTVs in Bangkok where an expenditure of 2200 thb would actually be expected to buy you a properly finished BBBJCIM with the kind of young spinner you also prefer?

BTW, the rest of your night in the Patpong gogo bars until you eventually booked a FL on ThaiFriendly was no more rewarding than my last foray into those Patpong beerbars and gogo bars several months ago. For me those Patpong bars turned out to be a total waste of time, money and a positive, hopeful attitude.

Yes, a few months ago I visited a Thaniya KTV that ended in ST. 3500 THB, 900 paybar. 800 for the room. Thaniya Inn around the corner. Before choosing my girl I asked mama who was available for ST with me, about 60-70% left the lineup.

I was offered LT on that visit for 7 k as well, until 3 am. If you're interested just stop and politely ask questions to mamasan.

[LuvMe17]

19 year old MILF from a Soi Cowboy top tier go go bar. Farm fresh. Bailed her out at about 10 or 11 pm. She left after breakfast in the morning about 10 am Short negotiation in her bar. How much? She replied "up to you". She accepted 500 baht offer enthusiastically. Blow job that night. I woke up in the morning with her mouth caressing my dick. "Junior" was at full attention. "You want to fuck"? She asked. Before I could answer, she was already mounting up.

500 baht? Really? How many centuries back? Or you must be really good looking!

[Fargler]

I posted the pricing of the place a few weeks ago, some cuties and no Condom, make sure you confirm CIM to the cashier (they all do CIM but you don't want to be disappointed).

Stopped in at Secret Kiss today after being disappointed at BIWA (I will write it up later). I was there when it opened, and there were two Japanese guys in front of me who were waiting for specific girls. Thus I get first pick of what's in house. All 2 of them.

As expected, they want me to pick from the ipad. Following the expert advice of PGReal and WerqWeq, I refuse the digital selection process and the proprietor agrees to a mini line-up.

Both young, cute, fit, 7's, about 22 years old. I chose one at random and up the stairs we go.

The room is nice and clean, and in the shower is a Japanese shower chair. Don't know what it's called, but it allows access to wash the undercarriage. She has me sit on the chair and washes me down, unfortunately avoiding the use of those well-designed and eagerly-anticipated access ports.

Her top came off (without asking) and the BBBJCIM went as expected from a young girl. Not bad but nothing special. If you follow my posts you'll notice I like older women and here's why:

The older girl will just keep doing pleasurable things, and lets me cum in my own time. A younger girl spends about 5 minutes doing something pleasurable, and then decides it's time for you to cum and starts the jack-a-thon. My provider was overall not bad, but nothing I would repeat unless I was in need.

1300 baht + 150 tip.

The ipad had some real lookers, and as I was leaving there was a girl arriving that was a high 8. I am guessing that Secret Kiss is better utilized as a full service place with some serious Japanese- looking hotties, rather than a blowjob bar.

Fargler.

[EihTooms]

I was a random enough stranger that the "manager" did not remember me, and asked me if I had ever been there before.

When I was offered the poncho was my first time in the shop I think, and I thought it an unusually service minded gesture at the time. I think I've only sessioned two more times after that, max three, All with different girls, and in the span of a year or more, so I'm not surprised they did not remember me.

Random stranger is an apt description I think.

As I said, I would give Wonder Massage plus plus for the attention, time and effort the mamasan put into making sure you were ok re the weather and at least being satisfied with what you got for the money.

But I don't see that I was being "duragatory" in my characterization of the lady who was recruited from the unnamed bar as "a 30+ year old lady of moderately acceptable looks". I was instead trying to be accurate based on your description of her:

Girl who arrived was the girl from the video, but not exactly my type (siliconed, with some baby damage in the stomach area, albeit minor, and closer to 30 than 20), but ok enough and service was ok too. While her service would not normally warrant an extra tip from me, I tipped her 1000 anyway, hoping she'd mention it when later asked, to give a decent impression of me, and also because I did not know how the whole thing would be handled paywise for her, seeing as I did not pay anything extra for the extra session with her.

In fact, "moderately acceptable looks" actually sounds better to me than "ok enough". That is, if you had ever seen the ladies I was quite agreeable to having sex with in my life that could objectively be considered "ok enough". LOL.

[Werqweq]

- any massage parlour when the massage is real and sufficiently professional, but there's also more on offer, including for women? (I'm thinking along the lines of the salt scrub in Sazanka, for those who know / remember it).

At least Wonder massage (near Asoke BTS) have something called "couples massage". I'm not a couple, so I have not tried, but there it is. This is a sex shop, not a massage shop, but at least some of the staff ("Jacky", probably others too), have worked in regular massage shops before (or so she claimed when I asked, and I only asked because it felt professional), so they can give your female friend a good (though expensive) normal oil massage if it turns out that is all she wants.

I've seen "couples massage" elsewhere too, but the managers at Wonder are above average customer friendly, and seem to take the time to explain stuff to customers I've noted. In your case I'd probably go a day in advance by myself and talk with them about what you want (e.g., perhaps make sure they tell the girls to limit things to a handjob if your female friend is going to be in the room with you, or maybe not even that.) and see if they can accommodate, as well as to see if they have any women you think are are attractive and who are willing to play with other women, so you can pre-book.

Just your female friend and massage staff alone in the room is also possible at some shops (don't know if Wonder is one of them), but quite a bit more rare I suspect. Less staff may be willing to do that, but I know that also happens sometimes. One shop girl I asked what she would do if if some farang woman came in and chose her? "I don't know, I hope she not choose me.", though she had had several "couples" sessions.

IMO, most shops (Wonder included) have far too few attractive staff working there for you and your friends to drop-in and have a decent chance of finding 2-4 attractive women. I don't pre-book, but then I usually have to drop in on 2-5 different shops before I find even one, and sometimes I don't find anyone. Obviously you don't want to do that with your whole entourage in tow.

- which of the gogo bar areas do you think is best suited for women and couples? Any gogo in particular?

No idea, but be sure to stay away from the arab's bar if you go to soi cowboy (spice girls, rio, deja vu, midnite, venus). They're scam bars, and were so 15 years ago also. Sadly still in business.

Crazy House at the corner of Soi Cowboy (the Soi 23 exit side) has nude dancers, which is rare at the moment, and thus may be extra interesting for your friends. Most of the more experienced people here seem to recommend Nana over Soi Cowboy though.

Like the other brother here suggested, perhaps have your female friends try to catch the eye of some of them and buy them a lady drink.

As far as giving back, you can check my posting history

Only reason I bothered responding.

[MannyMonger]

First time visit for 5 days in June. I'm not into night life stuff like drinking, drugs, dancing, or overly loud places, etc so I didn't experience any of that. I always use tinder when traveling to try and get some free sex, have had varying success, and it's fun to chat with locals as well. However in Bangkok most people on Tinder were working girls and it ended up being a great way to meet them for my style. I'm also not comfortable walking up to street girls. Most had normal pics, had a mix of amateur and bar girls, ladyboys. Easy to ask about what I wanted and negotiate pricing. Highly recommend if picking up girls in person isn't your style. I saw 5 girls and 2 ladyboys. One girl I saw twice because she had a life changing set of big naturals that were also somehow very perky. Pretty face too. All but one agreed to let me record video, for extra fee. Most also agreed to BBFS, but I did have a recent std test to show. I told them I had it when asking for that service. I probably over paid for a few dates, but not all. And compared to at home priced in USA, it was very affordable. Oh you want $30 more to record video? I pay more than that for lunch at home, so no problem. I did go to one massage place for FS, which was great also. I had amazing time eating, shopping, tourist things during day and mongering the women at night.

[SiamMan]

What were they arrested for?

Possession of Ketamine I believe.