American Politics

[Elvis 2008]

This sound much like you're really trying to best and one-up, MDS1 on the victimhood!

Sounds like? Let me be clear then. You are an asshole for encouraging murder!

It will be interesting to see if he can still pull the "victimhood card", on the Epstein Sex Pedo Birthday Book, his signature on a degrading card (he denies) and why there's a section on kids/children, in a grown man's "birthday book"?

Great, if you kill Trump, you are justified. He is a pedophile.

Sounds like you're making a MAGA confession, to wanting to incite more violence?

And here we go again with another Democratic move, accusing others of what you are doing. It is amazing to me you have not been banned from the site for your violent rhetoric.

[Elvis 2008]

I don't see the "twisting of words" you claim. You said what you said, just own it!

All Ram was saying is that people put economics above everything including murder. That is his point. It meant nothing about actual murder, but because you and the other Democratic are literally encourage murdering, you turned it on him and tried to say he and Republicans are the ones who want murder.

No, you want Trump dead, his followers dead, and you are happy Kirk is dead.

[EihTooms]

My god, how will Trump, Fux News, Bretbart, Newsmax and all the other lying MAGA liars spin and twist this one like a pretzel?

LOL. It'll be fun to watch them try. Maybe we'll get a preview of how they'll try to do it from the MAGAs here.

Charlie Kirk Suspects Grandma Says Family Is All MAGA.
Sept. 13, 2025

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/...203008756.html

Tyler Robinson, 22, the man arrested in connection with the assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk, comes from a MAGA family, his grandmother has revealed.

Although MAGA figureheads have been quick to point fingers at the left for Kirks death, Tylers grandmother, Debbie Robinson, 69, insisted that they come from a family of Trump supporters.

She spoke with the Daily Mail on Friday after news of Robinsons arrest broke. My son, his dad, is a Republican for Trump, Debbie told the outlet. Most of my family members are Republican. I dont know any single one whos a Democrat.

[EihTooms]

One of the absolute worst things that the Biden administration did was the way they handled illegal immigration. The way they handled it made no sense, and I couldn't figure out the strategy. Here is what I know. Most people who come here illegally seeking asylum are lying. Not all but not most. They will say that they seek to escape gangs and violence and all that sort of thing. But for most, that's not the real reason. The real reason they come is as economic migrants and / or to reunite with family members who are already living in the States, many of them illegally as well. And I think the truth is that we really do need for people to come. This is a nation of immigrants. We need people to pick our fruits and vegetables, to build new homes, etc. But they need to come here legally. And if they don't, then they have no right to remain here or to be treated as citizens, which they are not. No nation should be letting just anyone and everyone enter its borders, get away with making false asylum claims, be entitled to generous public assistance, etc. I wish we had something like the European Union. The "North American Union", with the dollar as the common currency, that would allow people to move more freely back and forth to work. People want to work. We need the labor. And it could break the crooked coyotes from exploiting people so much. But regardless of whatever system is in place, if you come here illegally, then you got to go! That said, I do believe there does need to be some level of due process..

The strategy was the inflow of immigration, both documented and undocumented, was a key factor in the overwhelming success of Biden's economic recovery from the ravages of Trump's Pandemic vs damn near everywhere else on the planet that did the opposite of it.

We have already seen the reports of studies proving the strategy is good for an economy in general anyway, kept Trump's Pandemic's inflation lower than it would have been otherwise, increased the number of jobs being created and all while reducing the crime rate that had skyrocketed under Trump.

BTW, when lying Trump and other MAGA liars twist that "increased the number of jobs being created" part into one of their favorite lies that it only created jobs for illegal immigrants, here is the part they are too dumb to figure out; the low cost labor provided by illegal immigrants frees up more money in the given industry to hire more skilled labor from USA Citizens and pay higher wages for that work. That is why and how USA Citizen job applicants greatly benefited during Biden's historic economic recovery from the horrible mess of everything Trump left behind and handed him and Harris to fix.

Indeed, one of the top 2-3 factors cited by credible economists for how and why jobs creation for everyone is likely to falter if not contribute significantly to plunging us into a serious Recession under Trump is his "close the borders" agenda on immigration. That is very bad for the USA economy and always has been.

And I'm sure you can see the problem with your other point is a civil society of laws cannot operate on the mere assumption that we "know" a border-crosser is lying when they claim a need for asylum and turn them away on that basis. Not if you want to obey the law as set forth in the USA Constitution, that is. We have to afford them Due Process to determine whether they are lying or not. Which takes time. Longer time since Trump decimated the system before Biden took over than was required prior.

[The Cane]

Here is what I know. Most people who come here illegally seeking asylum are lying. Not all but not most.

I obviously meant "not all but most".

[The Cane]

Obviously, lying MAGA liars continue to lie about everything because they are liars.

The USA Constitution and numerous Supreme Court rulings are quite clear about this:

Constitutional Rights Of Undocumented Immigrants: Do They Have Any?
May 25, 2025

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andyjse...they-have-any/

President Joe Biden followed the law, the USA Constitution and his Oath of Office to uphold both regarding immigrants who were in the USA and awaiting a ruling on the credibility of their claim of requiring asylum. Which was a process that had been taking a few weeks until Trump decimated the legal immigration system in his 1st Worst President in US History term, after which it took several months.

So-called president Donald Trump is breaking the law, violating the US Constitution and his Oath of Office to uphold both when he deports immigrants contrary to the law and their US Constitutional rights as cited above.

This is correct about the Constitution and how it has been interpreted by the courts with respect to immigrant rights. Thus, the need for due process as I said. That means that you don't get to just send someone off to El Salvador (or to South Sudan or wherever) because you don't like them being here. We need to follow the rules. And rule number 1 is that the Constitution is the law of the land, and we swear allegiance to it. Not to Donald Trump, Pam Bondi or any other person. Rule number 2 is that we have three coequal branches of government. That means that you don't get to ignore court rulings and stays because you don't like them or find them inconvenient. The man said we can't do business anymore, and he's right. Again, one reason he's right is because Americans are no longer are agreeing upon and following the rules that made this nation history's greatest democracy. If we can't agree upon the most basic of the sacred rules for governing the republic, then it's going to flounder and fail. I have seen the enemy, and it is us.

[MarquisdeSade1]

Obviously, lying MAGA liars continue to lie about everything because they are liars.

The USA Constitution and numerous Supreme Court rulings are quite clear about this:

Constitutional Rights Of Undocumented Immigrants: Do They Have Any?
May 25, 2025

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andyjse...they-have-any/

President Joe Biden followed the law, the USA Constitution and his Oath of Office to uphold both regarding immigrants who were in the USA and awaiting a ruling on the credibility of their claim of requiring asylum. Which was a process that had been taking a few weeks until Trump decimated the legal immigration system in his 1st Worst President in US History term, after which it took several months.

So-called president Donald Trump is breaking the law, violating the US Constitution and his Oath of Office to uphold both when he deports immigrants contrary to the law and their US Constitutional rights as cited above.

https://watchpeopledie.tv/h/beheadin...xas-beheaded-a

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...l-parking-lot/

[RamDavidson84]

Yeah, Trump likes black people. Does not pretend to like them. I don't believe in racial identity politics but Trump could not find one "token" this time around to put in his cabinet? He hates black people.

I noticed that too LOL. Its not a good look for the political climate at the moment.

But in his defense, the black community has been going hard at Trump, he is probably bitter.

[RamDavidson84]

In the interest of intellectual honesty, and to walk the talk, I'm going to clarify this. I saw a clip on the news that did not include Kirk's full statement (unfortunately the news outlets do this a lot creating a false or misleading impression). I did some research, and Kirk's full statement essentially was that he did not believe that reparations should be paid to African Americans living today because nothing bad has happened to them, unlike their ancestors who indeed did have something bad happen to them. That's the essence of what he said, which I still find to be intellectually dishonest. Plenty of bad things still happen to black people today precisely because of their race (example, far more likely to be subjected to excessive police brutality). There may be no more slavery, but rest assured racism and colorism are alive and well. Again, I agree with him that reparations should not be paid, but for totally different reasons I won't go into as that's getting off the main discussion now. I'll leave it like this. Abraham Lincoln, perhaps the greatest president of them all, had it right. He thought that blacks should be repatriated to Africa. Not because he was a racist. But because he believed black people would never be able to forgive white people for what they had done (there needs to be a recognition in the first place that something very wrong was done in order to realize a need for forgiveness). And second, he believed that white people would never fully let go of their racism. This country has come forward a really, really long way. But we still struggle to be a more perfect union. To be the United States of America. The great American experiment is in crisis, and I'm scared. I'm scared that we're moving backwards. Leaders on either side aren't leading. The divide is getting too wide. And a divided house collapses in on itself and falls.

I disagree Cane, but I understand where you are coming from and Charlie Kirk was not perfect and he may has said a few things which are wrong and I don't agree with. Please also try to understand his situation, he is having these rapid fire debates constantly day after day, he is bound to say some stupid shit. Have you ever said something you wish you could take back? I think we all have at some point.

I truly in my heart think Charlie Kirk meant well and was not even slightly racist. I have a higher tolerance for what I consider truly racist, so take that into consideration. Of course racism still exists and of course there are hardships for people of color today because of it. If Kirk refused to acknowledge that I believe he was wrong. He was an intelligent guy, but young and inexperienced, consider that as well.

My point is I don't think Kirk was a bad guy at all. I think he showed the best of humanity at times, bravely speaking on behalf of his and people who share his beliefs. By people I mean conservative Americans. I am sure he got death threats all the time and he chose the brave heroic path anyway. Just like the great and brave Americans before him like MLK and Malcom x and others who faced dangers but represented their people publicly anyway. The narrative should have nothing to do with Kirk's politics, the narrative immeadiately after his death should be to honor the positive things he did and most importantly, condemn political violence on all sides! Wait a week or two until you want to criticize the guy for his views. Its too divisive when the wound is so open and fresh, allow time for healing until you want to shit on the guy, which is your right though. I am just saying give it a few days.

As for Lincoln, yes it is hard to argue he is not the GOAT President. My personal favorite. Dude was a hell of a wrestler in his youth. A quiet bad ass like modern Dagestani Russians. I think your thoughts about Lincoln are wrong though. If he truly thought the things you said he did about blacks going back to Africa and whites never letting go of racism, he would not have forced the North to fight that war. The North did not have to fight the Civil War. The North could have easily said, Ok well be the good guys up here and let the South be the evil slave holders down there and no one has to die. Judge Lincoln and all the Northern soldiers by there actions. They fought a horrific war of attrition for four years and 600,000 Americans died to keep this country together and rid it of its greatest evil. America has a complicated history, but at times it is so beautiful when you really think about it. Think of the pressure Lincoln faced and he held everyone together and achieved one of the greatest Triumphs in history. To conquer a vast area such as the South during a time period where Armies were mostly still marching to battle fields and fighting with muskets and sabers is almost impossible to think he actually pulled it off.

Again as I previously stated, judge Lincoln by his actions, not something he may have wrote down one time as he was having doubts and wanted to perhaps cover himself if the war was lost. Remember he was a politician at the end of day LOL.

Now ridding the nation of slavery, and keeping the South from ceceeding again in the future and also giving former slaves in the South true equality was not achieved and the nation failed there, but over time we keep going in the right direction. Have faith. Keep violence out of politics.

As far as Americans being divided. Social Media and the Interwebs and smart phones have made it is easier than ever for foreign influence to turn us against each other. My opinion is there are a lot of foreign players that want to see the USA weaken for their own personal gain. A story as old as time. Look at the propaganda campaign we used on Soviet Union. Brought down one of the largest empires of all time. Race is our greatest weakness as a nation, don't be shocked an adversary would try to exploit that vulnerability. Russia, China, North Korea.

[RamDavidson84]

Nah dude, you do a great job of twisting your words, all on your own!

• "....Trump could kill a man on the White House lawn and no one would care as long it puts money in people's pocket....", http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...21#post3024421

I don't see the "twisting of words" you claim. You said what you said, just own it!

(...kkkk!) You're too funny, especially considering you're the one that dragged your unfortunately dead drugged-up friend and offered them up as political cannon fodder.

By tossing them into a political debt (no doubt just to garner sympathy) and then you turnaround and make violent criminal claims, about your Fuhrer's killing spree impunity. So what now, you expect us to take you seriously, about your dead drugged-up friend and what it means too cherish life, or take a like, either by willful presidential harm or by fentanyl?

Lololololol, your so over the top its hysterical. Please Please Please keep posting so people can clearly see what your about. I love your posts my man hahahahah!

I have to be very careful what I write or admin will not post. Funny how you can clearly say what ever you want and it gets posted hahaha. I love ISG!

I was middle of the road, started leaning right, and now after reading your posts, I am die hard Trump for life. Thank you for inspiration my brother lolololol.

[MarquisdeSade1]

He did a good job generating plenty of hate himself with his reprehensible views. Still, he did not deserve to be murdered. But remember what I said about the Trump assassination attempts. In life you're going to reap what you sow. Thats true for every single one of us. If you sow hatred, violence, and division? Then that's going to come back on you. You shall reap what you sow!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...quotes-beliefs

Buckle up cupcakes.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...way-civil-war/

[EihTooms]

Obviously, lying MAGA liars continue to lie about everything because they are liars.

The USA Constitution and numerous Supreme Court rulings are quite clear about this:

Constitutional Rights Of Undocumented Immigrants: Do They Have Any?
May 25, 2025

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andyjse...they-have-any/

What the U.S. Constitution Says
The Fifth Amendment states:

"No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.

The Fourteenth Amendment guarantees:

"Nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person the equal protection of the laws.

These protections apply regardless of immigration status.

What the Courts Have Said
The Supreme Court has consistently upheld that undocumented immigrants have constitutional protections:

Yick Wo v. Hopkins (1886)
The Court ruled that the Equal Protection Clause applies to all persons, not just citizens, striking down a discriminatory licensing law targeting Chinese immigrants.

Plyler v. Doe (1982)
Texas attempted to block undocumented children from public schools. The Court ruled this unconstitutional, affirming that undocumented immigrants are persons under the Fourteenth Amendment.

Zadvydas v. Davis (2001)
The Court found that the government cannot detain immigrants indefinitely without a hearing, even if they are subject to a final order of removal.

Shaughnessy v. United States ex rel. Mezei (1953)
A notable exception: immigrants stopped at the border and denied entry can be held with fewer due process rights, as they are considered outside U.S. territory for constitutional purposes.

So What Constitutional Rights Do Undocumented Immigrants Have?
Undocumented immigrants inside the United States have several key rights, including:

Undocumented immigrants inside the United States have several key rights, including:

The right to a hearing before deportation;
The right to apply for asylum or other forms of protection;
The right to be represented by legal counsel at their own expense;
The right to challenge unlawful government actions;
Protection against indefinite detention.

However, they do not have the right to a government-paid lawyer in immigration court unlike in criminal cases, where the Sixth Amendment guarantees counsel.

At the border, migrants without papers may face expedited removal, a process that allows for swift deportation without a full hearing unless they express fear of persecution. In that case, they must be given a credible fear interview with an asylum officer before they are removed.
..........
A Nation of Laws, And Of People
The idea that illegal immigrants have no rights is both political kryptonite and legally wrong. While the federal government has broad authority over immigration policy, the Constitution guarantees basic protections to all human beings within U.S. borders. This principle that the rule of law applies even to the most vulnerable is one of the United States most enduring constitutional legacies.

President Joe Biden followed the law, the USA Constitution and his Oath of Office to uphold both regarding immigrants who were in the USA and awaiting a ruling on the credibility of their claim of requiring asylum. Which was a process that had been taking a few weeks until Trump decimated the legal immigration system in his 1st Worst President in US History term, after which it took several months.

So-called president Donald Trump is breaking the law, violating the US Constitution and his Oath of Office to uphold both when he deports immigrants contrary to the law and their US Constitutional rights as cited above.

[MarquisdeSade1]

https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/s...12/id/1226257/

[Spidy]

So setting the record straight is your saying two wrongs make a right, and you are not responsible for your rhetoric? Got it!

(...kkkk!) Last I checked, the "2-wrongs of J.D. Vance", calling your MAGA Fuhrer, "America's Hitler", didn't hurt his chances at becoming vice president, now did it! Especially when you consider that the white supremacists like Nick Fuentes, where making racist attacks his wife, Usha (practicing Hindu of Indian heritage).

You demonize the fuck out of Republicans, call us every name in the book, including cultists following the Fuhrer, and you want credit for not calling us nazis? I think that says it all about you.

This sound much like you're really trying to best and one-up, MDS1 on the victimhood! (...kkkk!)
{...BTW, don't forget the links to substantiate your false claims...}

Although, I can truly see you've been taking notes from your Fuhrer, on the hole "victimhood" woe is me, shtick! I think you'll agree, it will be interesting to see if he can still pull the "victimhood card", on the Epstein Sex Pedo Birthday Book, his signature on a degrading card (he denies) and why there's a section on kids/children, in a grown man's "birthday book"? https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr5q68j2169o

Let's also not forget, the $1.1 ($1.5 ??) billion dollar JP Morgen account in Epstein Pedo Sex Files, child trafficking withdrawals. JPMorgan processed over $1B for Jeffrey Epstein despite internal concerns over sex offender status: report. https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics...-status-report

And if you are a crazed and confused Tranny or a mentally ill black homeless person, and you want to be immortalized and loved and cheered like Deniro was, the message is clear, kill Trump, kill Kirk, or kill any white person.

Sounds like you're making a MAGA confession, to wanting to incite more violence? Or have you come out of the INCEL closet?

Yeah, your posts are definitely colorful, to say the least. IF ONLY they were FACTUAL!!!

[Spidy]

Please stop twisting my words. I did not say Trump was killing people on the White House lawn and advocating for violence. It was an exaggeration of speech to show Trump is very popular with his supporters as long as he is making them money.

Nah dude, you do a great job of twisting your words, all on your own!

• "....Trump could kill a man on the White House lawn and no one would care as long it puts money in people's pocket....", http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...21#post3024421

I don't see the "twisting of words" you claim. You said what you said, just own it!

I also think it is disgusting you would bring my dead friend up. Shows what type of human you are.

(...kkkk!) You're too funny, especially considering you're the one that dragged your unfortunately dead drugged-up friend and offered them up as political cannon fodder.

By tossing them into a political debt (no doubt just to garner sympathy) and then you turnaround and make violent criminal claims, about your Fuhrer's killing spree impunity. So what now, you expect us to take you seriously, about your dead drugged-up friend and what it means too cherish life, or take a like, either by willful presidential harm or by fentanyl?

Like really dude, c'mon! I know you said you're somewhat of a naive debater, but you're not that naive?

So the question is RamDavidson84, while this is not quite the same as YOUR Fuhrer's impunity killing spree on the White House lawn:

• "Does the death of Charlie Kirk (perhaps by way of the White House Lawn?), still put money in people's pocket??"