American Politics

[Spidy]

You should write a book Spidy. "The Art of Avoiding Debate and Trolling". Follow it up with a sequal titled, "Hating People Over politics".

Yeah, no worries...as there's sure to be a chapter and huge case study on cognitive dissonance, detailing how dumbass freak-a-zoid insensitive people that don't understand how their psyche can be in such turmoil, from their own mental discomfort, regarding their conflicting beliefs, when their words do not add-up or:

• align with their ideology or basic human decency of "RIGHT" and "WRONG!", which ultimately leads to their cognitive dissonance.

At least Cane takes the time to explain himself.

Yeah, sure The Cane, has a lot of great things to say. You should listen!

[RamDavidson84]

What gets me is that the Kirk Memorial got at least 13 million live stream views, https://thatparkplace.com/charlie-ki...million-views/"

But that was a bare minimum, back to the link, Still, if just four livestreams topped 13 million views, it's almost impossible to imagine every other stream in the world not combining to get the total viewership over 20 million. "

Meanwhile, before we talk about linear television, consider that Arizona officials estimate the live audience in all venues was in excess of 200 thousand attendees.

And the Turning Point site stated, "Our production and streaming partners tracked over 100 million overall streams for today's tribute to Charlie".

End of link.

Besides the fact it is sad and wrong what happened to him. Kirk was a very special talent. There are so few people who have the ability to bring right wing views to the younger generations.

I have always wondered why people so young and so inexperienced should even be allowed to vote. They know so little about life. Times have changed and they really should make the voting age 21. If you can't buy a beer, you shouldn't be voting in elections, or fighting on a battle field for that matter.

[EihTooms]

LOL. Does this polling bullshit make you feel better Loony Tooms? Yes, by all means, let's go back to polls since they were so right in 2016,2020, and 2024.

Did Kirk's funeral freak you out? There were hundreds of thousands attending and twenty million more watching on line. So please tell us Mr. Lord of the Douches why that does not matter. Oh right, you have a great pollster. Ah yes, you have a LINK. Whew! You must be right then.

Uh, you saw that Trump and Musk kissed and made up right? What happened to those President Musk lines? Oh, you mean you were just lying your asses off again? Gee, that is a shocker! Well, maybe you can revive those memes now. That repaired schism means nothing because you have a poll saying exactly what you want..

An ordinary consensus of generally accepted polls has been correct on its prediction going into every presidential election as far back as polling has been done, even the consensus of polls chosen by the demonstrably Winger-leaning RealClearPolitics site.

Have you ever heard of a +/-MoE? Is that too nuanced for you? Have you never noticed it cited on virtually every poll ever taken and published in your entire life? Look into it.

On Lichtman's prediction; considering the razor-thin squeaker win by the swing of 0. 75 of a single percentage point across the only three swing states that mattered and due solely to a less than 114,900 swing of votes in those states by angry Muslims on a single issue over which only Netanyahu had control, Lichtman was closer to predicting the result than anyone since the result happened claiming it was a "landslide' and a "mandate" to do anything other than for Trump and his billionaire donors to send a big Thank You card to each and every one of those 114,900 angry Muslims in PA, MI and WI.

[RamDavidson84]

"In a perfect world, yes wealth would be equal among all groups. "

The ROCK star pediatric oncologist that works 80 hrs a week should earn the same as the bum that's never worked a day in their entire life, unless you call selling heroin or shoplifting work.

WTF kind of drugs are you taking, there used to be a saying, "dope or dog food"? Are you the loon that's so crazy, evinced by your comment above you live off of eating dog food, or is your.

I was replying to this post by Cane.

A key pathology common among far-right voters is that they fundamentally believe that a society where every single person thrives cannot exist. There is a strong sense by these voters that there is only enough wealth to go around for a small segment of society, therefore someone else's life has to be destroyed for them to move ahead. This explains why people on the far right blame other social groups for their own lack of opportunity, and is the fundamental drive for racism, xenophobia and pure hatred, especially among those at the lowest incomes.

Rather than recognize that they are part of a dysfunctional economic system where poverty does not discriminate, they are desperate to blame specific social groups for their misfortune. Their hatred is especially vicious towards social groups who seem to be gaining visibility. Fascists and Republicans don't fundamentally hate trans people. They hate that another social group that was formerly invisible is now being added to the mix, which increases competition for resources. The biggest thing that can make fascists go crazy is seeing another social group thrive, as the Jews did in Hitler's Germany. This is pure hate.

This is why in the US elections, Republican voters supported Trump not so that he can make all of America great again, but so that he can make all white people great again. If only they had understood that his goal was even more narrow: to make all tech oligarchs richer than 99.9% of America. People on the far right fail to realize that the struggle is not between citizens and immigrants or heterosexuals and trans. It is between the poor and the ultra-rich.

The problem with far-right voters is that they feel they can only get ahead in life if someone else is fucked over. This is not surprising in the US, where this is actually, word-for-word the mantra of capitalism: my profit is your loss. This entire system breeds fascism.

For whatever reason, his reply did not come up in my post. Again, I was referring to racial and gender groups not being equal, not equal compensation for all occupations. And again, it is weird you came to that conclusion.

[RamDavidson84]

Who said anything about promoting socialism? I certainly didn't. I happen to be of the following opinion. Capitalism is the absolute worst possible economic system there is. Except for every other system! You guys don't know me! You don't know me, and you don't understand my politics. Because you're not even interested in trying to. You're only interested in constant lies, put downs, and personal attacks. Because sadly, that's what makes you feel good about yourselves. That you got the last word. Well go ahead on! GTFOH!

Cane, you were the one who posted you were all sorry to see I didn't want to go back and forth with you and I was willing to leave it at that. Now your losing your cool and accusing me of personal attacks and lies. I break stones a bit just like you did. I did not tell one lie though. I believe everything I wrote was 100% in good faith.

If your worked up over this, I will back off. You have your views and I have mine. If I have a disagreement I won't include the personal attacks as you put it. Even though you and Spidy went at my dead friend very hard and that was quite personal for me.

Anyway. You also stated ring wing has to see others be "destroyed" for others to succeed. I was assuming you meant businesses out competing other businesses in a free market economy. A free market economy is a right wing economic system. It is not a stretch to assume based off your bashing the "right" as being full of hated and supporting a flawed economic system that you would also support socialism. I was wrong to assume you support socialism and I take it back. Have a field day with that Cane.

This is not knock on you, but no, I don't really care to get to know your politics or you as I have read your posts and I strongly disagree with you on many things. Not an attack, your just not my type of guy. I strongly believe in the things I have posted and I don't take great pleasure in putting people down, except Spidy because he made it very personal. Like I said, I'll back off your posts if you are really bent out of shape over my responses.

[FFlintstone69]

LOL. Does this polling bullshit make you feel better Loony Tooms? Yes, by all means, let's go back to polls since they were so right in 2016,2020, and 2024.

Did Kirk's funeral freak you out? There were hundreds of thousands attending and twenty million more watching on line. So please tell us Mr. Lord of the Douches why that does not matter. Oh right, you have a great pollster. Ah yes, you have a LINK. Whew! You must be right then.

Uh, you saw that Trump and Musk kissed and made up right? What happened to those President Musk lines? Oh, you mean you were just lying your asses off again? Gee, that is a shocker! Well, maybe you can revive those memes now. That repaired schism means nothing because you have a poll saying exactly what you want..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7eZBUawgHM&t=626s

[RamDavidson84]

"In a perfect world, yes wealth would be equal among all groups. "

The ROCK star pediatric oncologist that works 80 hrs a week should earn the same as the bum that's never worked a day in their entire life, unless you call selling heroin or shoplifting work.

WTF kind of drugs are you taking, there used to be a saying, "dope or dog food"? Are you the loon that's so crazy, evinced by your comment above you live off of eating dog food, or is your.

Issue drugs?

I am referring to race and gender groups. I was originally referring back to the post by Cane. You are referring to occupations. Two completely different things. Why would you think I am trying to argue a doctor should earn the same as a drug addict. That goes against every thing I was arguing in my post where I state people should be judged by their ability and also what they contribute. A doctor contributes a great deal to society so he should be compensated as such. A drug addict does not, so he should receive bare minimum. Weird I have to state that.

You come off as very slow. Please also don't give yourself a heart attack because you don't take time to properly read posts. I don't even know how to respond to your comment on dog food. You are the one who really seems bent out of shape over a post you couldn't comprehend.

In a perfect world, of course we don't live in one, there would be no difference in success and earnings among racial groups in USA. Of course we are all born with different abilities and advantages and thus some racial groups out earn others. Some of that is due to the history of slavery and racism in the country. Look up "segregation" in the south. Laws designed to oppress African Americans. I take it your not American because that is taught in American public middle schools.

[The Cane]

I see things as they are just fine. You are the one who can't even define yourself and your own views.
You have to proclaim to the world in your own words, "you don't get to define me". What you are really saying is, "I don't even know how to define myself". People who see things clearly don't have to tell others how they see themselves. Or "define" themselves LOL. I don't even think about that shit honestly.

Now you aren't even making any sense. It's clear from your nonsensical, circular statements that you "don't think honestly" about a lot of shit LOL!

[The Cane]

Cane, you have it all backwards. A free society / free market offers the most people the most opportunities to increase their personal wealth and well-being, but you have to work for it, or you don't get anywhere. Socialism and Communism make the biggest promises, but it always leads to the least opportunities and well-being which is why these forms of government always end up as dictatorships with gulags, starvation, and mass murder.

I know that in all likelihood you are not going to listen to what I am saying, but you really should try to open your mind a little and perhaps read some Milton Freidman or even easier, take a look at his amazing PBS series from the 80's, "Free to Choose" and especially the debates at the end of every show. It is fascinating stuff.

https://www.freetochoosenetwork.org/...e/index_90.php

I didn't say shit about being a proponent of socialism or communism. Capitalism is full of problems, but it's still the best system in my view. We just need to be aware of the worst excesses of capitalism and be ready to counteract those. Please read what I wrote without placing thoughts and beliefs upon me that I don't hold and did not say. Not one time did I say communism or socialism are the better systems. I said that capitalism is fucked up. Which isn't the same thing as saying socialism or communism are better. But still, with all its faults, capitalism is the way. I am capable of complex and sophisticated thinking, believe it or not.

[FFlintstone69]

In a perfect world, yes wealth would be equal among all groups. This world how ever is not perfect. Certain things have happened in the history of USA which even today stills hinders black American and yes overall, they do have a harder start at the beginning of life. But it is so case dependent. Many whites come from poor backgrounds as well, or just not blessed with the attributes to obtain success today. Many blacks are born with a high degree of social intelligence, the will to succeed which stems from a harsh upbringing, and a high degree of physical health. These are three most important things to succeed in USA, it is your own personal ability! If you have the skills and service a customer wants and your price is right and your willing to work full time, your in the best economy the world has ever seen. No other society even comes close. Look at Asians, Indian Americans, recent immigrant group and they are the richest racial segment in USA. Literally made a movie about, CRAZY RICH ASAINS. Constantly drilling it into the heads of black youth they can never succeed and everything is set up for them to fail and everyone is racist is literally the worst narrative the media can portray for them. All it is does is create the victim hood mentality and perpetuate them falling behind as a racial segment of USA. So much senseless focus on race and non on ability..

"In a perfect world, yes wealth would be equal among all groups. "

The ROCK star pediatric oncologist that works 80 hrs a week should earn the same as the bum that's never worked a day in their entire life, unless you call selling heroin or shoplifting work.

WTF kind of drugs are you taking, there used to be a saying, "dope or dog food"? Are you the loon that's so crazy, evinced by your comment above you live off of eating dog food, or is your.

Issue drugs?

[Elvis 2008]

You should write a book Spidy. "The Art of Avoiding Debate and Trolling". Follow it up with a sequal titled, "Hating People Over politics". At least Cane takes the time to explain himself.

What gets me is that the Kirk Memorial got at least 13 million live stream views, https://thatparkplace.com/charlie-ki...million-views/"

But that was a bare minimum, back to the link, Still, if just four livestreams topped 13 million views, it's almost impossible to imagine every other stream in the world not combining to get the total viewership over 20 million. "

Meanwhile, before we talk about linear television, consider that Arizona officials estimate the live audience in all venues was in excess of 200 thousand attendees.

And the Turning Point site stated, "Our production and streaming partners tracked over 100 million overall streams for today's tribute to Charlie".

End of link.

[Elvis 2008]

BEST 2024 POLLSTER: Midterms Will be GOP Disaster

And it is very likely the Repub MAGAs own internal polling is predicting an even worse nightmare for them.

LOL. Does this polling bullshit make you feel better Loony Tooms? Yes, by all means, let's go back to polls since they were so right in 2016,2020, and 2024.

Did Kirk's funeral freak you out? There were hundreds of thousands attending and twenty million more watching on line. So please tell us Mr. Lord of the Douches why that does not matter. Oh right, you have a great pollster. Ah yes, you have a LINK. Whew! You must be right then.

Uh, you saw that Trump and Musk kissed and made up right? What happened to those President Musk lines? Oh, you mean you were just lying your asses off again? Gee, that is a shocker! Well, maybe you can revive those memes now. That repaired schism means nothing because you have a poll saying exactly what you want.

But wait, wasn't there another one? Oh yeah, there was Allan Lichtman. He was a Democratic douche favorite. He was never wrong about election predictions. And he had the ultimate Democratic douche pedigree. "Professor Lichtman received his PhD from Harvard University in 1973" My God, a professor? Harvard? Never wrong in the past? Why that is just as good as "the science" on Covid. Hell, I am not even sure we need an election. We could have just listened to him. What did he say again?

https://www.american.edu/cas/news/ha...p-lichtman.cfm

"The Democrats will hold on to the White House, and Kamala Harris will be the next president of the United States," Lichtman told The New York Times today in a video.

Lichtman's prediction is based on 13 Keys, a model he developed with Russian geophysicist Vladimir Keilis-Borok in 1981. The 13 Keys ignore all polls and pollsters. They focus on 13 true-false statements. If six or more of the keys are false, the incumbent party is predicted to lose the election. If five or fewer are false, the incumbent is expected to win.

The keys include whether:

The White House party gained House seats during the midterm elections.

The sitting president is running for re-election.

The White House party is avoiding a primary contest.

There is a third-party challenger.

The short-term economy is strong.

The long-term economy growth has been as good as the last two terms.

The White House party has made major changes to national policy.

There is sustained social unrest during the term.

The White House is untainted by scandal, the incumbent party is charismatic.

The challenger is uncharismatic.

The incumbent is charismatic.

The White House party has major failure in foreign policy.

The White House party has foreign policy success.

Lichtman found that eight of the keys are true (in Harris' favor), while three are false, favoring Trump.

"The Democrats will hold on to the White House, and Kamala Harris will be the next president of the United States," Lichtman told The New York Times today in a video.

End of link.

A geophysicist? The NYT?

I am sorry Loony Tooms. Given all these things, Harvard, a professor, the NYT, perfect prediction record, and a Russian geophysicist, I just assumed Harris won. Can you remind me who won the 2024 election?

And can you tell me why none of the 13 keys involved Muslims? I must have missed your posts prior to the election predicting how the Muslims would throw the election one way or the other.

[RamDavidson84]

That's because through your squinty, biased eyes you can't see the forest for the trees.

I see things as they are just fine.

You are the one who can't even define yourself and your own views.

You have to proclaim to the world in your own words, "you don't get to define me". What you are really saying is, "I don't even know how to define myself". People who see things clearly don't have to tell others how they see themselves. Or "define" themselves LOL. I don't even think about that shit honestly.

[Axel Heyst]

Cane, you have it all backwards. A free society / free market offers the most people the most opportunities to increase their personal wealth and well-being, but you have to work for it, or you don't get anywhere. Socialism and Communism make the biggest promises, but it always leads to the least opportunities and well-being which is why these forms of government always end up as dictatorships with gulags, starvation, and mass murder.

I know that in all likelihood you are not going to listen to what I am saying, but you really should try to open your mind a little and perhaps read some Milton Freidman or even easier, take a look at his amazing PBS series from the 80's, "Free to Choose" and especially the debates at the end of every show. It is fascinating stuff.

https://www.freetochoosenetwork.org/...e/index_90.php

A key pathology common among far-right voters is that they fundamentally believe that a society where every single person thrives cannot exist. There is a strong sense by these voters that there is only enough wealth to go around for a small segment of society, therefore someone else's life has to be destroyed for them to move ahead. This explains why people on the far right blame other social groups for their own lack of opportunity, and is the fundamental drive for racism, xenophobia and pure hatred, especially among those at the lowest incomes.

[The Cane]

The policies of socialism just simply don't work.

Who said anything about promoting socialism? I certainly didn't. I happen to be of the following opinion. Capitalism is the absolute worst possible economic system there is. Except for every other system! You guys don't know me! You don't know me, and you don't understand my politics. Because you're not even interested in trying to. You're only interested in constant lies, put downs, and personal attacks. Because sadly, that's what makes you feel good about yourselves. That you got the last word. Well go ahead on! GTFOH!