Pattaya Reports

[Rajnath]

Denied entry at Aftermath Bar. I am 32 M, Indian, lone monger, well groomed, clean shoes, trousers, shirt, perfume, yada yada.

I walk up to a lady sitting outside, smile and point her to inside the bar. She and I walk up to the guard at the doorstep.


Guard: "Where you from?"

Me, knowing full well where this is going but in no mood to lie: "India."

Guard: "No."

Me: "No?"

Guard: "No."

Girl, as I leave: "Sorryyy."


Repeating what I said long ago, prohibiting a specific race is quite fucked up. The often cited "3 Indians sipping one beer for two hours" is easily solved by an entry fee per person that can be adjusted against actuals.

You heard it right. Between a bloody coupon system and racism, the coupon system achieves the same / better outcome. And yet racism is the popular choice!

Side note, my overall Pattaya experience has been nice. The specific incidents I talk about on this forum construe a very unfair and negative picture of Pattaya. Maybe I will write a full report soon.

[Rajnath]

Soi 7, soi 8, soi Honey, soi Chayaphum are full of lbs, anybody who's not comfortable with these kind of places should avoid these sois completely.

There is no sure shot way to avoid running into ladyboys in Pattaya even if you skip these sois. Instead, you end up missing out on the many regular girly bars there.

Advice / my point of view: Was she a post-op? From your story alone you had no idea. LB usually don't lie about themselves. However, a post-op may no longer consider her to be a lb. So she answers 'no'. From the bar or other perspective: some punters may prefer lb as their choice at particular time and don't want to find a lady is a post-op.

Fair enough. I do not know if they were post-op.

If so, perhaps they were well within their rights to answer "no". I do wonder why they did not point that out during the discussion with hotel staff. Perhaps too ashamed / anxious? They were quite shy right from the start.

1) Tip the hotel staff who saved you from what could have become a much worse experience in the room

Yeah, I tipped the staff right after. The ladyboy I barfined did not seem aggressive by any means but I do not even want to think about what could have happened in the room.

So just have a drink forget it and move on, consider yourself lucky!

That's what's been up. Thanks everyone.

[Fleaker29]

Hello everyone,

Off topic.

I'm planning to go to Pattaya in late September. Last time I was there I stayed close to Walking Street but this time I am planning to stay close to Soi 6.

I found a great buffet in Beach Road but I'the like to know if there are any buffet / americab breakfast places near Soi 6.

Thank you.

[SuperLove]

1000 BHT is too little to fight for and treat this as a bad experience and a life saving one. I had a similar scene in another country once, LB got really aggressive and I ended up with a torn shirt in the hotel lobby, it was a routine act for other hotel guests. I gave a nice tip and a positive review online to the male receptionist who helped me and saved me from her clutches. This could have flared and gotten very ugly in the room. So just have a drink forget it and move on, consider yourself lucky!

I had a bad experience recently.

At around 2 AM, I asked a pretty-looking Soi 7 bar "girl" if they are a ladyboy because of the tall height and somewhat deep voice. They said no. For a freelancer, I would do ID verification right there but this was a bar and they said no in front of the other bar girls.

I got a drink at the bar but I wanted to confirm further because my spidey senses were still going off. I looked up the bar on Google. Absolutely no mention of ladyboys anywhere. But there were many reviews about really pretty girls. Now I start feeling a little bad wondering if that point-blank "are you ladyboy?" question was hurtful. For 1000 THB, I barfine them.

Guess what? We reach hotel lobby. The staff speaks with them in Thai. Awkward silence follows, which I assume is because the staff asked if they have told me they are a ladyboy. Staff breaks it to me, "you caught a ladyboy". I was livid but there was not much to be said. I have the ladyboy step out and ask for a barfine refund.

They make a few phone calls. In between they asked me if I am okay, to which I said no. I tried to call the bar's listed phone number on internet but the calls go unanswered. After a few minutes, the ladyboy refuses the refund because "the fee has gone to the shop already"..

[Werqweq]

I had a bad experience recently.

At around 2 AM, I asked a pretty-looking Soi 7 bar "girl" if they are a ladyboy because of the tall height and somewhat deep voice. They said no. For a freelancer, I would do ID verification right there but this was a bar and they said no in front of the other bar girls.

I got a drink at the bar but I wanted to confirm further because my spidey senses were still going off. I looked up the bar on Google. Absolutely no mention of ladyboys anywhere. But there were many reviews about really pretty girls. Now I start feeling a little bad wondering if that point-blank "are you ladyboy?" question was hurtful. For 1000 THB, I barfine them.

Guess what? We reach hotel lobby. The staff speaks with them in Thai. Awkward silence follows, which I assume is because the staff asked if they have told me they are a ladyboy. Staff breaks it to me, "you caught a ladyboy". I was livid but there was not much to be said. I have the ladyboy step out and ask for a barfine refund.

They make a few phone calls. In between they asked me if I am okay, to which I said no. I tried to call the bar's listed phone number on internet but the calls go unanswered. After a few minutes, the ladyboy refuses the refund because "the fee has gone to the shop already". I was too drunk and tired to go back to a bar with ladyboys and complain. So I just told them I will report this and headed back to my hotel room to sleep.

I still do not know if I should go back because I have heard ladyboys can get real aggressive. I do want this to be called out to the bar management if case they are not aware this happened. How should I go about this? I guess I will never see that 1000 THB again and I can make my peace with that. I do not think I can post a Google Maps review because I have heard Thai defamation laws might complicate things for me.

Before responding to this post, please keep in mind that I wrote this all out for the community's benefit. I would appreciate empathy and advice rather than insults or insinuations.

1) Tip the hotel staff who saved you from what could have become a much worse experience in the room, with an aggressive dude swinging a dick bigger than yours in your room. It's not the staffs job to do that, and most would probably not care.

2) If it's not a known ladyboy bar (no idea, I don't know Pattaya), I'd stop by the bar if I was in area anyway and ask for my money back. Be prepared, ask politely, and do not lose your temper or start arguing. Exit once you see you are not getting anywhere, rather than make a scene and get clubbed over the head with a bottle from behind. Remain calm at all times. Easier if you go in with the expectations of not getting anything back, and are just on your way to another bar to barfine a real girl.

[Questner]

I had a bad experience recently.

At around 2 AM, I asked a pretty-looking Soi 7 bar "girl" if they are a ladyboy because of the tall height and somewhat deep voice. They said no. For a freelancer, I would do ID verification right there but this was a bar and they said no in front of the other bar girls.

I got a drink at the bar but I wanted to confirm further because my spidey senses were still going off. I looked up the bar on Google. Absolutely no mention of ladyboys anywhere. But there were many reviews about really pretty girls. Now I start feeling a little bad wondering if that point-blank "are you ladyboy?" question was hurtful. For 1000 THB, I barfine them.

Guess what? We reach hotel lobby. The staff speaks with them in Thai. Awkward silence follows, which I assume is because the staff asked if they have told me they are a ladyboy. Staff breaks it to me, "you caught a ladyboy". I was livid but there was not much to be said. I have the ladyboy step out and ask for a barfine refund.

They make a few phone calls. In between they asked me if I am okay, to which I said no. I tried to call the bar's listed phone number on internet but the calls go unanswered. After a few minutes, the ladyboy refuses the refund because "the fee has gone to the shop already".

Advice / my point of view: Was she a post-op? From your story alone you had no idea. LB usually don't lie about themselves. However, a post-op may no longer consider her to be a lb. So she answers 'no'. From the bar or other perspective: some punters may prefer lb as their choice at particular time and don't want to find a lady is a post-op. Consider the money spent as a small token. You can't get the bar fine back.

[Mr Enternational]

I know that Pattaya is cheaper to live in than Phuket but, are the women really only settling for 1000 bhat? If that was the case, that was the rate 20 years ago and when I was in Phuket the cheapest price quote I got was 2500 bhat.

They are not settling. 1000 baht is still a lot of money. Just because foreigners come in throwing around money, does not mean the Thais see it as a little money. It is the same as my apartment was 4500 baht 17 years ago and my taxi to the airport was 1000 baht 17 years ago, the same as they are today. If people do not know how or do not want to negotiate is a different story. But that is also the price in the BJ bars and gentlemen's clubs. And I have never had a problem negotiating this in the massage shops.

[Cusland]

I got ripped off by a Russian girl at a gogo on Walking Street in February. My first trip to Pattaya and I went into a place that said "Russian Strippers". There were a few hot girls and many were quite aggressive about asking me to go to a "private room" while I was lounging with a beer and watching the dancers. They initially asked for 3 K Baht, but quickly came down to 2 K or 1.5 Ksimilar to ST pricing anywhere else. I was aware that some gogos have a boom boom room on-site and one girl told me "I will make you cum". Being a few beers into the night I went with her. In back they had a counter where you pay in advance, cash or credit card. Just the fact that they offered to accept credit card was a red flag re: scams so I paid the 1.5 K Baht w / cash.

In the room there was music, disco lights, and she began to dance and strip. I sat back and watched. I thought that at some point she would undo my pants and begin the "I will make you cum" part. But no! After about ten minutes or so she turned off the music and put her clothes on. When I asked about the boom boom she said the money was only for a dance, etc. I didn't bother complaining to the club. I'm sure they were in on the scam too. I just left and chalked it up to a lesson learned.

You didn't get scammed at all. That's the price of a private dance. FFS. You actually thought a Russian stripper would short time you for 1,500 baht. Hahahah.

[Paolo99]

I did two separate verifications, the verbal confirmation and the internet search. One would think that is enough.

If you directly asked the management and they lied to you, you're right, they are at fault. But you won't be able to get anything out of it.

If you just asked the "girl" and her friends, that' s not the same.

Anyway, you won't get your money back. You're already lucky they didn't put a foot in your room.

It's better to get over it and write a review everywhere on the internet, that might damage the reputation of these treacherous bastards employing lbs without making it clear for every customers.

Soi 7, soi 8, soi Honey, soi Chayaphum are full of lbs, anybody who's not comfortable with these kind of places should avoid these sois completely.

[MwenByen]

I know that Pattaya is cheaper to live in than Phuket but, are the women really only settling for 1000 bhat? If that was the case, that was the rate 20 years ago and when I was in Phuket the cheapest price quote I got was 2500 bhat.

5000 baht? You better go find her on Thai Friendly for 1000 baht.

[Rajnath]

Name the bar if it is as you claim.

Bassline bar.

You checked Google but not ID? Suss.

I did two separate verifications, the verbal confirmation and the internet search. One would think that is enough.

Anyway, keeping sussing all you want. There is nothing I could say or do further to make you believe me.

[Asian Rain]

Their employee lied to me about not being a ladyboy. Any bar with a sane management should offer refund as a goodwill gesture in such cases.

Name the bar if it is as you claim. There is a cottage industry emerging in Pattaya reporting the woes of certain visitor groups. Perhaps consider yourself fortunate that no gold chain was snatched? You checked Google but not ID? Suss.

P.S. : Was it not one of the key appeals of barfining that if something goes wrong (such as theft), you have somewhere to go and report?

Nope, how did you get that idea? The point of barfine is to release the girl from working at that particular location. What happens after you leave is completely your affair. It is not a matter for the bar. Theft is a matter for the hotel to manage, which is why they required your "girl" to surrender her ID for the duration of her stay. Count your fortunes and move on. Enjoy, AR.

[Explorer8939]

Their employee lied to me about not being a ladyboy. Any bar with a sane management should offer refund as a goodwill gesture in such cases.

Also, as I said, realistically I do not think I am getting that money back. Many of their other employees seem to be in on the scam. May be the bar is too.

P.S. : Was it not one of the key appeals of barfining that if something goes wrong (such as theft), you have somewhere to go and report?

You are entering a slippery slope.

What if your barfine was a lady, but gave you a poor performance? Do you ask for a refund?

A disappointing BJ? Refund?

Your best option is to name the bar here to warn others.

[Rajnath]

It's not the bar's fault you chose a ladyboy. Why should they give you a refund?

Their employee lied to me about not being a ladyboy. Any bar with a sane management should offer refund as a goodwill gesture in such cases.

Also, as I said, realistically I do not think I am getting that money back. Many of their other employees seem to be in on the scam. May be the bar is too.

P.S. : Was it not one of the key appeals of barfining that if something goes wrong (such as theft), you have somewhere to go and report?

[Explorer8939]

I had a bad experience recently.

At around 2 AM, I asked a pretty-looking Soi 7 bar "girl" if they are a ladyboy because of the tall height and somewhat deep voice. They said no. For a freelancer, I would do ID verification right there but this was a bar and they said no in front of the other bar girls.

I got a drink at the bar but I wanted to confirm further because my spidey senses were still going off. I looked up the bar on Google. Absolutely no mention of ladyboys anywhere. But there were many reviews about really pretty girls. Now I start feeling a little bad wondering if that point-blank "are you ladyboy?" question was hurtful. For 1000 THB, I barfine them.

Guess what? We reach hotel lobby. The staff speaks with them in Thai. Awkward silence follows, which I assume is because the staff asked if they have told me they are a ladyboy. Staff breaks it to me, "you caught a ladyboy". I was livid but there was not much to be said. I have the ladyboy step out and ask for a barfine refund.

They make a few phone calls. In between they asked me if I am okay, to which I said no. I tried to call the bar's listed phone number on internet but the calls go unanswered. After a few minutes, the ladyboy refuses the refund because "the fee has gone to the shop already"..

It's not the bar's fault you chose a ladyboy. Why should they give you a refund?