American Politics

[EihTooms]

Don't be silly Tooms. One vote doesn't make any difference in who's elected to national office. Besides I voted for Gary Johnson, Jo Jorgensen and Chase Oliver in the last three presidential elections. If you and 100 million other Americans had voted for them and likeminded Congressmen and women, we wouldn't have most of those problems. That's right, no "double and triple digit" (your words) Bidenflation, no $2. 8 trillion deficit in 2021, no crazy tariffs like many of the ones Trump imposed and Biden kept in place, no farm subsidies, no crazy spending, and no wars. As to the 400,000 Americans who died from COVID during the Trump administration and 800,000 who died while Biden was president, I don't think the Libertarian candidates could have avoided those.

Too bad you and most of your fellow Americans didn't have that foresight.

Nobody said any one of us "got" or always "gets" what we voted for with our single vote. The point is regarding what our individual vote was meant to approve of, encourage, support and hope will be achieved if enough like-minded people did the same thing.

Considering the overwhelming 100 year long consistency of Repub economic disasters vs Dem economic successes vs third party nothingness, a vote for anyone but a Dem is clearly a big thumbs up for whatever can and has filled in the vacuum created in the absence of American economic success at the hands of a Dem; no Great Depression, no Great Recession, no historic jobs destruction, etc. The cowardly vote for something supposedly in the middle, on the outside, over, under, around or miles away from such a success for America by voting for a useless third party candidate is still a vote against American economic success that, as of this writing, only members of the Democratic Party in the White House have managed to produce over the past 100 years. In short, such a third party vote is still a vote against American economic success, no Great Depressions, no Great Recessions, etc. Virtually no different than a vote for Herbert Hoover, GW Bush or Donald Trump.

It is somewhat shocking than an apparently educated adult would have totally missed that blatantly obvious point and instead had somehow thought it meant any one single vote by any one member of the American electorate made the result happen. But there it is. Is there a Simpson Theory about this you were applying to it?

[Tiny 12]

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[Tiny 12]

Sorry, you can't go back and cheat on the scorecard the way Trump does at his always failing golf resorts.

Had Canada been eligible to vote in the USA elections just since 2016, by not voting for Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, your and Elvis' and his business sense (would have) voted FOR Trillions and Trillions added to the deficit in a couple of pieces of legislation with zero to show for it other than millions fewer private-sector jobs created after spending it than before spending it, record high American farm bankruptcies with Billions more added to the dedicit in Trump Voter Emergency Welfare Checks sent to the Agricultural Industry just to keep it afloat thanks to his failed Tariffs and Trade Wars, Millions of other private-sector jobs wiped out, two Bear Market Declines in the USA Stock Market and two more declines that came damn close to Bear Declines, a deadly Pandemic that mass murdered at least a Million Americans and millions more around the World, destoyed worldwide economies, closed schools, businesses and travel venues, double and triple-digit global inflation, collapsed supply-chains, higher oil and gas prices, no end to ANY War America was involved in with boots-on-the-ground combat and starting still another Blood-Thirsty Repub Quagmire Counterproductive Forever War of Repub Choice, decades record high violent crime and murder rates and an America-hating mob of cop-killing insurrectionists being led into bloody battle on American Soil in a War Against Democracy to overturn a free and fair election and assassinate a few duly-elected officials along the way including Trump's own Vice President vs my business sense voting FOR a historic economic recovery, millions of jobs recovered that Trump wiped out, millions more created than all three Repub so-called presidents' policies and stewardship combined, Trump included of course, no Pandemic, no million Americans and millions more mass murdered, no worldwide economic destruction, no collapsed global supply-chains, no double and triple-digit inflation, lowering violent crime and murder rates from the highs under Trump to decades long record lows and more bi-partisan pro business and jobs creation legislation in decades.

See, your decisions not to vote for the Dem in 2016,2020 and 2024 produced the results before that "vs" above while my votes for those Dems produced the results after that "vs".

Elections have consequences. And, consequently, read the scorecard and weep. No cheating possible on this one. It is firmly in the history books and record of actual results.

Don't be silly Tooms. One vote doesn't make any difference in who's elected to national office. Besides I voted for Gary Johnson, Jo Jorgensen and Chase Oliver in the last three presidential elections. If you and 100 million other Americans had voted for them and likeminded Congressmen and women, we wouldn't have most of those problems. That's right, no "double and triple digit" (your words) Bidenflation, no $2. 8 trillion deficit in 2021, no crazy tariffs like many of the ones Trump imposed and Biden kept in place, no farm subsidies, no crazy spending, and no wars. As to the 400,000 Americans who died from COVID during the Trump administration and 800,000 who died while Biden was president, I don't think the Libertarian candidates could have avoided those.

Too bad you and most of your fellow Americans didn't have that foresight.

[Sirioja]

So funny how Trump was so welcome in Madison of NYC, number 1 town of USA for the world, and I m pretty sure would be pretty same in California where he is same not popular, and when artists don t want to sing for him. Highest levels of USA are against him, but he could fuck low brained, even black, Latins and women he hates. His voters are low levels who believe all his lies and bullshits and don t understand they pay his spending's for war, White House, his golf and inflation.

And after NYC, defeated in California. Most famous parts of USA and US artists don t want Trump. Just normal, when his daily bullshits and lies are so boring when your neurons are still working.

[EihTooms]

Imagine millions of Repub MAGAs voting against America, their own interests and that of their family and friends over and over and over again because they fall for this horseshit.

Stay tuned to the last few minutes where A. I. Explains why and how Trump, his MAGAs and indeed several Repub MAGAs right here "debate" the way they do with no source links, lambasting the very idea of supporting a point with some credible substantiation, the essence of the Trump / Repub / MAGA-perfected Gish Gallop firehose of lies they know no one can fully address and so on.

This is a Must-See 17 minute video, including a 2-3 minute ad you can skip past:

"It Was Rigged!"
I asked A.I. for All the "Evidence" the 2020 Election Was rigged. Here's What Happened:

https://youtu.be/j0X05pZAPIo?si=ayCjGBRqxxG0agUL

[EihTooms]

Hey Elvis, Why do you prefer Great Depressions, Great Recessions and wiping out millions of jobs, business bankruptcies and failures? That's just nuts!

And you thought this was a perfectly lucid and well-considered reason for him to vote over and over again for the only Party whose policies and stewardship consistently plunged America into every Great Depression, Great Recession, historic jobs destruction, massive USA household wealth destruction, skyrocketing deficits with nothing to show for it, USA Stock Market Crash and quagmire, counterproductive, forever War of Choice in the Middle East and one in South East Asia over the past 100 years?

When dumb Dems like you show contempt for how someone votes, you push people to vote Republican because they are no longer voting for a candidate but voting for their right to vote.

You think an adult and, according to him, millions of other adults with that fragile of a will and as easily manipulated behavior on something pretty damn important and consequential for their family, their friends, their country and themselves over virtually nothing aren't "just nuts"?

[SubCmdr]

The fact is that Thailand is a country California is a state within the country that I call the Dis United States of America. There are 50 states currently. Although the current POTUS as spoken about adding a 51st state.

I am 100% sure it is cheaper to buy a nice condo in Thailand rather than California.

So now you are engaged in the Logical Fallacy of comparing all of Thailand with on particular state in the Dis United States of America. If your assertion was true you would have provided proof. But you have not. So I reject your assertion until you back it up with some cold hard facts.

I checked condo prices in Thailand on my last trip and they are very reasonable.

Where in Thailand did you check? Are you making a per meter comparison? A condo is very different from a house. So are you comparing Apples to Oranges?

Facts are that it is cheaper to live in Thailand than to live in USA.

Are you sure about that? Instead of just making an assertion how about presenting some facts to back up your statement. The discussion is about living outside of the Dis United States of America. I gave you a list of countries where individuals from the Dis United States of America live. Were they all cheaper to live in than the Dis United States of America? No!

Besides cost of living contains many different components. Not possible for you to say simply because condo prices are lower the prices of an entire lifestyle is lower. If it was you would back it up with some numbers instead of just WAGS (Wild Ass Guesses).

Cheapest City by Home Price: Birmingham, Alabama (Median ~$148,000)

Were the condos you looked at in Thailand less than this? If so, where? Give the specific city. Why only Thailand?

Your assertion remains that it less expensive to live outside of the Dis United States of America than it is to live inside of it. This is not true. I present the following evidence to back up my statement:

Monaco is the worlds most expensive real estate market, with property prices exceeding $38,000 per square meter ($3,603 per square foot). This extreme valuation is driven by limited land availability, a tax-free lifestyle, and high demand from the global ultra-wealthy, where $1 million buys only about 172205 square feet of prime property.

Following Monaco, the next most expensive markets are:

New York City, USA: Approximately $27,500 per square meter, driven by its status as a global financial hub and scarcity in Manhattan.
Hong Kong, China: Approximately $26,300 per square meter, resulting from dense population and geographic constraints.
London, UK: Prime real estate averages around $24,000 per square meter, with areas like Mayfair and Kensington commanding top prices.
Saint-Jean-Cap-Ferrat, France: Prices exceed $21,200 per square meter, catering to buyers seeking privacy and coastal luxury on the French Riviera.

Please make a note that this list contains the names of cities within countries. So the entire Dis United States of America is not cheaper to live in than everywhere in the world outside of the Dis United States of America.

The Defense Rests!

[Sirioja]

France economy has tanked and USA economy is booming. You are right about one thing: Trump was elected twice so obviously popular. I am glad you prefer to live in France. That is where you belong.

So funny how Trump was so welcome in Madison of NYC, number 1 town of USA for the world, and I m pretty sure would be pretty same in California where he is same not popular, and when artists don t want to sing for him. Highest levels of USA are against him, but he could fuck low brained, even black, Latins and women he hates. His voters are low levels who believe all his lies and bullshits and don t understand they pay his spending's for war, White House, his golf and inflation.

[EihTooms]

If you were a really smart businessman, why did you waste time going to the polls when you could have spent it making money? You realize your vote was not going to determine who won?

Sorry, you can't go back and cheat on the scorecard the way Trump does at his always failing golf resorts.

Had Canada been eligible to vote in the USA elections just since 2016, by not voting for Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, your and Elvis' and his business sense (would have) voted FOR Trillions and Trillions added to the deficit in a couple of pieces of legislation with zero to show for it other than millions fewer private-sector jobs created after spending it than before spending it, record high American farm bankruptcies with Billions more added to the dedicit in Trump Voter Emergency Welfare Checks sent to the Agricultural Industry just to keep it afloat thanks to his failed Tariffs and Trade Wars, Millions of other private-sector jobs wiped out, two Bear Market Declines in the USA Stock Market and two more declines that came damn close to Bear Declines, a deadly Pandemic that mass murdered at least a Million Americans and millions more around the World, destoyed worldwide economies, closed schools, businesses and travel venues, double and triple-digit global inflation, collapsed supply-chains, higher oil and gas prices, no end to ANY War America was involved in with boots-on-the-ground combat and starting still another Blood-Thirsty Repub Quagmire Counterproductive Forever War of Repub Choice, decades record high violent crime and murder rates and an America-hating mob of cop-killing insurrectionists being led into bloody battle on American Soil in a War Against Democracy to overturn a free and fair election and assassinate a few duly-elected officials along the way including Trump's own Vice President vs my business sense voting FOR a historic economic recovery, millions of jobs recovered that Trump wiped out, millions more created than all three Repub so-called presidents' policies and stewardship combined, Trump included of course, no Pandemic, no million Americans and millions more mass murdered, no worldwide economic destruction, no collapsed global supply-chains, no double and triple-digit inflation, lowering violent crime and murder rates from the highs under Trump to decades long record lows and more bi-partisan pro business and jobs creation legislation in decades.

See, your decisions not to vote for the Dem in 2016,2020 and 2024 produced the results before that "vs" above while my votes for those Dems produced the results after that "vs".

Elections have consequences. And, consequently, read the scorecard and weep. No cheating possible on this one. It is firmly in the history books and record of actual results.

[Tiny 12]

Hasn't eaten at El Gaucho Steakhouse!

True SubCmdr, Bangkok isn’t cheap. But it does have hot and cold running women!

[Tiny 12]

No, the reason you vote for Repubs instead of Dems is because you prefer Great Depressions, Great Recessions and wiping out millions of jobs, business bankruptcies and failures.

Hey Elvis, Why do you prefer Great Depressions, Great Recessions and wiping out millions of jobs, business bankruptcies and failures? That's just nuts!

[EihTooms]

If this is the great depression now in USA please give me 20 more years of this. Job numbers soared in May and USA economy is the strongest in the world. Stock market is record level and millions of 401 k retirement accounts are at all time highs. Please, please give USA 20 more years of these record economies than you call a depression. Your hate of Trump can't change the fact that the USA economy is the best in the world. Keep dreaming but Americans love this economy and it is getting better every month.

Trump's low approval rating stays steady, new poll shows. Here's why.
June 8, 2026

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...l/90463778007/

The A. I. Overview:

How does Trump's cost-of-living approval compare to Biden?
AI Generated by USA TODAY

According to a recent Reuters/Ipsos poll, only 22% of Americans approve of President Donald Trump s handling of the high cost of living. This represents a lower approval rating than that of his predecessor, former President Joe Biden, who finished his term with a 29% approval rating on the same issue.

The decline in approval is largely attributed to rising food and gas prices, which many voters link to the ongoing Iran war. Additionally, recent CNN polling indicates that 77% of Americans believe Donald Trump s policies have actively increased the cost of living in their local communities. While approval on specific economic issues has dipped, overall job approval for the president remains steady at approximately 35% to 40% across various aggregators.

Oh, and the majority of gains seen in the USA Stock Market as measured by the Dow and S&P 500 Indexes happened under Biden, not Trump. Trump's most notably contribution to it were those (so far) two deep plunges that occurred in response to his major economic and national security decisions.

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[EihTooms]

Using your bogus reasoning, you should believe Truman started the Vietnam War. He deployed the Military Assistance Advisory Group (MAAG) to Vietnam. Eisenhower increased the number of MAAG advisors, but when he left office there were only about 900 American military in Vietnam.

Would Eisenhower have gone to war with Vietnam, like LBJ did? Why on God's Green Earth do you think he would, when he wouldn't intervene when France (Sirioja's country) got its ass kicked at Dien Bien Phu? Eisenhower didn't expand the Korean War. He got the USA out of it. Remember his farewell address. It was a lot like that of another USA General-turned-president, George Washington. Eisenhower warned the country about succumbing to the military-industrial complex. Washington and Eisenhower both led men into war, and witnessed the carnage first hand. Neither would have approved of a half million man military force halfway across the world in tiny Vietnam.

Everyone who knows his head from his ass agrees Volcker and the other members of the FOMC should receive most of the credit for stamping out high inflation. Reagan also gets credit for backing Volcker publicly. He didn't replace him or pressure him into reversing course during the recession preceding the 1982 election.

Carter's case is more complicated. Yes, Carter deserves kudos for firing G. William Miller, arguably the worst Fed chairman in history. Miller's primary goal as chairman was to ensure a Democratic victory in the 1980 elections. As a result, he prioritized maintaining employment growth and avoiding recession over good sense. He wasn't particularly suited for the job by experience or education. Carter would have known that appointing Volcker when he did would hurt Democrats' chances in the election. Volcker was an inflation hawk who Carter knew would raise interest rates above the inflation rate and keep them there long enough to bring it down, regardless of the effect on employment and the GDP.

However, Carter also appointed Miller as Fed Chairman. How much credit can you give to the guy who poured gasoline on the fire (with the appointment of Miller) because he helped put it out later? Definitely not as much as Reagan.

The USA has sent aid to allies during wars in which we were not directly involved many, many times and no historian worth a damn has ever claimed that means the USA "started" those wars.

Truman didn't replace the defeated and retreating French Military with USA Military in 1954, a year before most historians consider the start of the Eisenhower's Vietnam War.

Eisenhower did.

No president had benefitted more from and more fully utilized the "military-industral complex" than Dwight Eisenhower. He was not only employed by it all through his military career with no other notable line of work in his life but also spent at least 7 of his 8 years in office building it up to ready for his War in Vietnam. Hell, even his green light to go ahead with FDR's planned Interstate Highway construction had to be framed as a "Military Defense" project rather than a economic benefit for him to be interested in it at all.

Eisenhower's warning against others succumbing to the lure of a "military-industrial complex" on his way out the door is no different in disingenuous Repub hypocrisy than when lifelong oil industry nepo baby GW Bush admonished America for being "addicted to oil" on his way out the door.

So you can't think of a single "tool" you totally agreed with Elvis about that Repub Ronnie Reagan could possibly have given Carter's Fed appointee Paul Volcker in late 1979, at least a year before Reagan was elected president, that could possibly have started the steady month over month decline in the rate of inflation beginning in early 1980, at least a year before Reagan took office. Why doesn't that surprise me? LOL.

Did you know Reagan's famous "Morning in America" campaign slogan and ads for his 2nd term were exclusively about how great he was for lowering the rate of inflation that he had absolutely nothing to do with lowering or shouldering all the heavy lifting or taking any of the political risk in election year 1980 to accomplish? I mean, other than him lowering it the way Repubs usually lower it; by crashing the economy, plunging America into still another Great Depression or Great Recession, wiping out millions of jobs or skyrocketing the unemployment rate into double-digits month after month, which Reagan's policies certainly did in his 2nd and 3rd year in office:

Reagan's 1984 Morning in America ad:

https://youtu.be/EU-IBF8nwSY?si=KuxyLHiBqxMBuRho

As a Repub, what else could he have possibly touted as a positive contribution to the USA economy over the previous 4 years other than something the Dem president before him had already accomplished? Nobody but him benefitted much from all those pony rides he took during his those previous 4 years like Trump on his failed golf resort courses. Not even his pony.

Well, he did try to take credit for the Boomer Generation coming to peak age participation in the labor force in that ad. Lolol. You would have thought with all the Boomers reaching age 16 and older during the Reagan years that his average annual jobs creation record would have been greater than, you know, Carter's or some other approximately Dem president rather than being dwarfed by them. But it wasn't. That's how much crap the Repubs' favorite Supply-Side / Trickle-Down economic agenda and policy results are.

[Canada]

Lying, Trump was elected twice for president of USA. When I'm 100% French since generations, I much prefer to live in France where better foods, better quality and freedom. Majority of Americans don t seem to be happy about Trump.

France economy has tanked and USA economy is booming. You are right about one thing: Trump was elected twice so obviously popular. I am glad you prefer to live in France. That is where you belong.

[Tiny 12]

No, the reason you vote for Repubs instead of Dems is because you prefer Great Depressions, Great Recessions and wiping out millions of jobs, business bankruptcies and failures.

Obviously.

Like you, Canada pretends to be so concerned about and supportive of entrepreneurs, businessmen and women, employees, presumably American farmers etc, people he imagines made such an intelligent and informed decision to vote for Trump, probably all three times, and other Repubs over the decades blah blah blah and that I and others like me don't know shit about how to expand an economy, build rather than destroy a business, create jobs and hire people rather than destroy jobs and fire people and so on.

Here's the big problem with that conclusion; for more than 30 years I have only voted for Dems and for longer than that I have not voted for a Repub. Which by definition means I have never voted for a Historic Economic Downturn, massive business failures and wiping out millions of jobs but have instead only voted for historic economic recoveries, thriving businesses and, depending on how godawful Trump"s favorite Repub agenda and policies turn out over the next 3 1/2 years, quite possibly every net gain private-sector job created in the past 30 years.

But anyone who didn't vote for Dems all along the way has voted for Great Recessions, massive business failures and historic jobs destruction.

If Canada could have voted in the 2016 and 2024 USA elections surely he would have voted for Trump and helped him win those elections, as you probably did.

Sorry, guys. That means I am actually a smarter businessman and certainly made better business decisions for the sake of their own farms than the dumb farmers who voted for Trump at any time but especially to vote for him again in 2024 after what his failed Tariffs and Trade Wars did to them the first time around even before the economic ravages of Trump's Pandemic kicked in.

And your vote for Trump instead of Harris in 2024 was an absolute, four square approval and facilitator of record high USA farm bankruptcies, pathetic private-sector jobs creation and lower hiring rates.

While MAGAs are doing cartwheels and backflips over the one recent BLS reported jobs creation of 172,000 jobs, my vote for Biden-Harris in 2020 produced about 37 such months during those Dems' 4 years in the White House. And that was before a so-called potus fired and threatened to fire more BLS officials unless they rigged the count or the reporting of the jobs numbers to make him look good.

If you were a really smart businessman, why did you waste time going to the polls when you could have spent it making money? You realize your vote was not going to determine who won?