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[BoobsMcghee]

In negotiations, whoever makes the first offer loses.

I don't know that I'd go that far. Isn't that a bit of an oversimplification?

If you know the market reasonably well, making the first offer can establish the anchor for the rest of the negotiation. On the other hand, if you have no idea what the going rate is, then sure, you might end up negotiating against yourself.

It seems to me whether making the first offer is a mistake depends on how much information each side has, not on some universal rule.

For example, there are quite a few guys here who seem to make the first offer on ThaiFriendly, or in general, rather than asking for the girl's rate first, and apparently do just fine. I'd be interested to hear why they prefer that approach.

[BoobsMcghee]

To add a possible exception to that rule on the premise that P4 P situations are not set in stone that way:

The OP was asking about negotiations on ThaiFriendly and such. I can't speak to that very much because I haven't used an online hook up site like ThaiFriendly in years. But I can identify one major hurdle with any negotiations on sites like that; you don't really know and won't know who you have been negotiating with until the hotel door swings open. Even with what you might think is an extensive video chat first, her age, height, true weight and overall impression to you and anyone else trying to hook up with her is still largely unknown until you meet her in the flesh.

However, with face-to-face negotiations in bars, clubs or on the street and without an experienced and tip-worthy mamasan doing her job to vet her girls for things like BBFSCIP with me, I have Google Translate countered above average looking girls' "first offer" of, say, 3,000 for Short Time with something like, " I would give you 3,500 if we kiss on the lips with our tongues touching, you give me a blowjob with no condom for a while and then we boom boom / fuck without a condom until I finish inside your vagina. ".

Now, if she agrees to that scenario for 3,500 or counters with 4,000 and I agree to that amount, which one of us has won and which one of us has lost?

Of course, I know the real stud punters here will insist they could have gotten all of those conditions met with that above average looking gogo bargirl instantly with a counter offer of 1,500 baht, not a word of discussion about those conditions in the bar or in the room, she would have also stayed Long Time from 10 pm and had to kick her out at 12 Noon the next day after she cooked him a big American breakfast and washed and ironed his overflowing basket of laundry.

But in my experience the chances of that above average looking gogo bargirl agreeing to those conditions in my room, without which I will have wasted my time, any barfine money I will have paid and her "first offer" amount of baht I should also honor or even 500 - 1000 baht less if that is what it was negotiated down to, without launching into that early negotiation is maybe 1 in 50. In a good month. With about an 85% chance of her saying No in the room for those things for any amount of money, no negotiation possible.

So I countered her "first offer" with an even better offer moneywise. She wins that one big. But only if I agreed to pay the barfine and take her. And I will only agree to pay the barfine and take her if she agrees to my conditions. Whereupon I win that one big. Is it a win win? IMO, yes.

If the negotiation flops and it's No all around from her, the most likely result, I have just saved myself a barfine, the girl's fee and a waste of time buzzkill.

Mind you, I'm talking about an objectively above average looking Thai P4 P girl and not, forgive me, a below average looking hardcase who can't afford to say No to almost anything with almost anyone for almost any amount of baht. And I am combining that with BBFSCIP. As I have opined previously, that combination is practically the only real challenge in the Thai P4 P universe. Ok, maybe getting a BBBJCIM+Swallow from an above average looking P4 P girl is a challenge too.

And I mean aside from more exotic stuff like Anal, BB Anal, True Threesomes, whatever, with above average looking P4 P girls.

I don't believe there is any research necessary for gents who are happy with Covered FS in Thailand other than finding out what the general current going rates are for Short Time and Long Time in bars, in clubs, on the street, on ThaFriendly, etc. I envy you for that. If a lady strikes your fancy and the baht number you two agree on is close to the going rate regardless who made the "first offer", stop shopping and say Ok let's go. But that is a very different game, playing field and set of rules than getting an upfront agreement for BBFSCIP with an above average looking Thai P4P girl, especially for an amount of baht anywhere close to the going rate for Covered FS with most other girls.

As always, YMMV.

I think your premise rests on a couple of assumptions that may not actually be true.

First, you repeatedly describe BBFSCIP with an above-average P4 P girl as "the only real challenge" in Thailand. But a challenge for whom? That's not a universal challenge. It may simply reflect your own approach, personality, negotiation style, or the particular girls you're selecting. Another guy could approach the same women differently and get different results.

Second, your examples always seem to jump between two extremes: either an objectively above-average girl who supposedly won't agree for almost any amount, or a below-average girl who "can't afford to say no. " Isn't there a huge middle ground between those two? Most women don't neatly fit either category.

Finally, I don't really agree that guys who are only looking for covered FS don't need to do much research. Research depends on what you're trying to accomplish. Some guys care about reliability, looks, attitude, kissing, GFE, language ability, location, avoiding bait-and-switches, avoiding scammers, or simply finding women they're attracted to. Those are all perfectly valid reasons to research, even if they have no interest in negotiating for BBFSCIP. And yes, they can even want to research negotiation tactics to ensure a fair deal is had.

[EihTooms]

In negotiations, whoever makes the first offer loses.

To add a possible exception to that rule on the premise that P4 P situations are not set in stone that way:

The OP was asking about negotiations on ThaiFriendly and such. I can't speak to that very much because I haven't used an online hook up site like ThaiFriendly in years. But I can identify one major hurdle with any negotiations on sites like that; you don't really know and won't know who you have been negotiating with until the hotel door swings open. Even with what you might think is an extensive video chat first, her age, height, true weight and overall impression to you and anyone else trying to hook up with her is still largely unknown until you meet her in the flesh.

However, with face-to-face negotiations in bars, clubs or on the street and without an experienced and tip-worthy mamasan doing her job to vet her girls for things like BBFSCIP with me, I have Google Translate countered above average looking girls' "first offer" of, say, 3,000 for Short Time with something like, " I would give you 3,500 if we kiss on the lips with our tongues touching, you give me a blowjob with no condom for a while and then we boom boom / fuck without a condom until I finish inside your vagina. ".

Now, if she agrees to that scenario for 3,500 or counters with 4,000 and I agree to that amount, which one of us has won and which one of us has lost?

Of course, I know the real stud punters here will insist they could have gotten all of those conditions met with that above average looking gogo bargirl instantly with a counter offer of 1,500 baht, not a word of discussion about those conditions in the bar or in the room, she would have also stayed Long Time from 10 pm and had to kick her out at 12 Noon the next day after she cooked him a big American breakfast and washed and ironed his overflowing basket of laundry.

But in my experience the chances of that above average looking gogo bargirl agreeing to those conditions in my room, without which I will have wasted my time, any barfine money I will have paid and her "first offer" amount of baht I should also honor or even 500 - 1000 baht less if that is what it was negotiated down to, without launching into that early negotiation is maybe 1 in 50. In a good month. With about an 85% chance of her saying No in the room for those things for any amount of money, no negotiation possible.

So I countered her "first offer" with an even better offer moneywise. She wins that one big. But only if I agreed to pay the barfine and take her. And I will only agree to pay the barfine and take her if she agrees to my conditions. Whereupon I win that one big. Is it a win win? IMO, yes.

If the negotiation flops and it's No all around from her, the most likely result, I have just saved myself a barfine, the girl's fee and a waste of time buzzkill.

Mind you, I'm talking about an objectively above average looking Thai P4 P girl and not, forgive me, a below average looking hardcase who can't afford to say No to almost anything with almost anyone for almost any amount of baht. And I am combining that with BBFSCIP. As I have opined previously, that combination is practically the only real challenge in the Thai P4 P universe. Ok, maybe getting a BBBJCIM+Swallow from an above average looking P4 P girl is a challenge too.

And I mean aside from more exotic stuff like Anal, BB Anal, True Threesomes, whatever, with above average looking P4 P girls.

I don't believe there is any research necessary for gents who are happy with Covered FS in Thailand other than finding out what the general current going rates are for Short Time and Long Time in bars, in clubs, on the street, on ThaFriendly, etc. I envy you for that. If a lady strikes your fancy and the baht number you two agree on is close to the going rate regardless who made the "first offer", stop shopping and say Ok let's go. But that is a very different game, playing field and set of rules than getting an upfront agreement for BBFSCIP with an above average looking Thai P4P girl, especially for an amount of baht anywhere close to the going rate for Covered FS with most other girls.

As always, YMMV.

[WeingutFritz]

I just came across this post. I do like local massage parlors a lot, especially when you are not sure how far they will go. I know Bangkok quite well and though I can't hold a conversation in Thai, I know enough to make most smile.

Normally I stay in Thonglor because I have friends in the area.

How local are we talking? I do like exploring. Would Ekkamai qualify? Or are we talking like Bang Na or even Samut Prakan?

Just to get an idea where to explore.

If you're still spending all your nights in the tourist zones thinking that's the peak Bangkok experience, you may want to try something new.

Some of the best ladies and the best attitudes are hiding in the places the tour groups don't even know exist:

Local massage parlors: The vibe is real. No hard sells, no jaded looks. Girls actually want to have fun. Prices? Yeah, a little easier, but it's the attitude that makes it magic. This has been my experience.

Neighborhood karaoke bars: You're not another walking ATM here. You're a guest. The girls are playful, the smiles are natural, and if there's chemistry, it's more genuine in my experience.

And here's the kicker, even as a farang, you can clean up in these spots if you know how to carry yourself.

You walk in like a normal human being, show some manners, a little charm, and you'll get better treatment than half the Thais. Girls in these places appreciate guys who are cool, who aren't acting like drunk idiots.

Example:

Last week I ducked into a small massage shop in my neighborhood. No huge flashing sign, no "supermodel" lineup at the door. Just normal, friendly girls. Walked in, picked a sweet one with a real smile, not the fake "pay me now" grin. She giggled when I told her in Thai I might leave a tip depending on her "performance. ".

Let's just say by the time we were done, the only thing missing was the wedding vows. No clock-watching. No upselling. No drama. A wonderful GFE and not even one mention of a condom. Tooms you need to do this more often.

I'm a farang, but it didn't matter. When you hit the right local spots, they treat you based on your vibe.

Bottom line:

If you're chasing real connections and real fun and you're not a complete tool, you can change it up and start playing where Bangkok actually lives. It's out there. You just have to stop thinking like a tourist and act like you belong. Learn some basic Thai.

How to find these places. I simply use google maps. I also check out Facebook and search for them in my area. It's a pleasant change to all the tourist places. I mix it up.

[Explorer8939]

I went to Crazy House the other day. Compared to past years, there is more nudity and more silicon.

The number of Farangs is way down. Most customers are Asians now.

[Explorer8939]

I've been reading through a lot of older threads and noticed different approaches to negotiations on ThaiFriendly and similar sites. Some guys seem to ask the girl for her rate first, while others appear to simply make an offer (e. G. , "X baht for why") and let her accept, decline, or counter.

For those of you who've been doing this a while, what is your typical approach?

* Do you ask her rate first?

* Do you make the first offer yourself?

* If you make the first offer, do you usually get a counteroffer, or is it mostly take-it-or-leave-it?

I'm not asking what the "right" price is. I'm more interested in how the negotiation itself usually unfolds in practice. I'the be interested to hear how you veterans typically handle it.

In negotiations, whoever makes the first offer loses.

[Nyezhov]

I've been reading through a lot of older threads and noticed different approaches to negotiations on ThaiFriendly and similar sites. Some guys seem to ask the girl for her rate first, while others appear to simply make an offer (e. G. , "X baht for why") and let her accept, decline, or counter.

For those of you who've been doing this a while, what is your typical approach?

* Do you ask her rate first?

* Do you make the first offer yourself?

* If you make the first offer, do you usually get a counteroffer, or is it mostly take-it-or-leave-it?

I'm not asking what the "right" price is. I'm more interested in how the negotiation itself usually unfolds in practice. I'the be interested to hear how you veterans typically handle it.

Bro, did you ever in your life get laid ffs? Did ya ever pick up a girl in your country in a club? You afraid of girls?

I don't bother with offers and counteroffers. Over what? 500 baht? I wipe my ass with that. I make the first move: I say Hi, can I shove my cock in your ass, how much. And it goes from there.

[BoobsMcghee]

I've been reading through a lot of older threads and noticed different approaches to negotiations on ThaiFriendly and similar sites. Some guys seem to ask the girl for her rate first, while others appear to simply make an offer (e. G. , "X baht for why") and let her accept, decline, or counter.

For those of you who've been doing this a while, what is your typical approach?

* Do you ask her rate first?

* Do you make the first offer yourself?

* If you make the first offer, do you usually get a counteroffer, or is it mostly take-it-or-leave-it?

I'm not asking what the "right" price is. I'm more interested in how the negotiation itself usually unfolds in practice. I'the be interested to hear how you veterans typically handle it.

[BoobsMcghee]

You do realize that you are replying to a 3 year old post?
And some other posts you replied to recently, are also quite old.

Yes I do realize that. This info is no less relevant today than it was 3 years ago. Still perfectly valid, and I would still like to know his opinion LOL.

[Mogwai]

Interesting perspective. Out of curiosity, when you mention getting "a point or two" for being white, do you think being white is a significant advantage, or do you think a normal-looking Black American guy could expect similar results? I'm not looking to make it about race; I genuinely wonder how much of what you've experienced is due to being a foreigner in general versus specifically being white.

You do realize that you are replying to a 3 year old post?
And some other posts you replied to recently, are also quite old.

[TConor]

That girl has been messaging me to come over again, so today I agreed, after asking in advance if she thought she'd survive me fucking her mouth hard again. I had banged a girl earlier today at Princess massage on soi 33 (opposite of that horrible BJ bar 7-Heaven. Don't go to 7-heaven. You can get the same BJ service for 1600 at Princess massage, see a real-life line-up, and not suffer being insulted in Thai by extremely rude reception staff that thinks you will not understand what they say), so I took a while coming, but she took it like a champ.

I'm guessing she needs the money, so if anyone contributing member here shares that particular fetish I'll ask her if she minds me forwarding her line-ID.

She's about 20, is kinda sweet, and I guess would look somewhat cute if she lost 50 kg.

But what is her name?

[Nyezhov]

I originally found the girl at the front of Thermae. (For the cheeky guys who like to insist that everything in front of Thermae is a ladyboy, she is 100% natural born female.) Turned out she was an ex-KozyKazy girl from Soi Cowboy. Since becoming a regular of mine, she has improved her BJ skills to deep throat level. Unfortunately can't hold it very long. She has a delightfully tight pussy that eats up my load every time. Enjoy, AR.

Who would be cheeky, plenty of real girls outside.

[BoobsMcghee]

What do these girls who have Sex for the price of a coffee look like?

Asking for a Friend.

Why this question? They look like normal, cute thai girls LOL. How else are they supposed to look? Just because it is not a pure monetary transaction in TH does not mean the girl has to look like a disaster. I am just saying man LOL. It is Date sex.

[Dinosaur9]

That girl has been messaging me to come over again, so today I agreed, after asking in advance if she thought she'd survive me fucking her mouth hard again. I had banged a girl earlier today at Princess massage on soi 33 (opposite of that horrible BJ bar 7-Heaven. Don't go to 7-heaven. You can get the same BJ service for 1600 at Princess massage, see a real-life line-up, and not suffer being insulted in Thai by extremely rude reception staff that thinks you will not understand what they say), so I took a while coming, but she took it like a champ..

Oh yeah send that along if she doesn't have a problem LOL.

[BoobsMcghee]

That girl has been messaging me to come over again, so today I agreed, after asking in advance if she thought she'd survive me fucking her mouth hard again. I had banged a girl earlier today at Princess massage on soi 33 (opposite of that horrible BJ bar 7-Heaven. Don't go to 7-heaven. You can get the same BJ service for 1600 at Princess massage, see a real-life line-up, and not suffer being insulted in Thai by extremely rude reception staff that thinks you will not understand what they say), so I took a while coming, but she took it like a champ.

I'm guessing she needs the money, so if anyone contributing member here shares that particular fetish I'll ask her if she minds me forwarding her line-ID.

She's about 20, is kinda sweet, and I guess would look somewhat cute if she lost 50 kg.

If you still have it, and she doesn't mind sharing her LINE id, please do share LOL.