Rants, Stupid Shit and Coronavirus in Thailand

[Sam Sanuk]

Last 6 posts in the Pattaya Reports thread were about hotels in Pattaya. If only there was a thread about Hotels in Pattaya then we could actually read reports about having sex with girls in the Pattaya Reports thread.

Everybody's favorite cum bucket is having a hissy fit over posts about hotels and restaurants. He should apply to be an "administrator" or stay in his most appropriate sub-forum. The one called "stupid shit".

Sam.

[EihTooms]

Legality?

Interesting article on aseannow yesterday.

Thailand's sex trade remains illegal, but its presence is highly visible.

Surang Janyam, director of the Service Workers in Group Foundation, known as Swing, said the country has more than 200,000 sex workers. The majority are in Bangkok and Pattaya, she said.

Pattaya is estimated to be home to more than 50,000 sex workers. The scale of its night-time economy is believed to generate between 100 billion and 200 billion baht each year.

Royal Thai Police data show that 19,648 people were arrested for offences under the prostitution law in 2023, down from 38, 139 arrests in 2022.

Under the 2022 Act on the Imposition of Regulatory Fines, offences under Section 5 of the prostitution law are punishable only by fines and are no longer treated as criminal offences. Authority to impose the fines was transferred from police to officials under the Social Development and Human Security Ministry.

https://aseannow.com/thailand-news/t...w+after+murder

That article is referring to the possibility of legalizing sex work in venues such as brothels, bars, massage shops, etc, where the commercial selling of it as the business of those venues is clearly cited as illegal and a crime in the Thai Penal Code and / or the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act and therefore would have to be decriminalized in order to achieve that end. The indicators for that being the point are sprinkled throughout the article, while the social workers and service worker representatives quoted in it hope to create quasi union benefits and protections for the staff in those venues and businesses that would not necessarily apply to those who move into freelance prostitution, for which there is no criminal citation other than the Section 5 type of prostitution-related activity of soliciting openly and shamelessly in a manner that creates a public nuisance and so on.

And it is interesting to see that even the prostitution-related activity of Section 5, which must account for at least 90% of the media reported prostitution-related criminal arrests and sweeps in Thailand has already been unofficially "decriminalized" by the authorities.

Just reposting your linked article here:

Thailand sex work reform calls grow after murder

https://aseannow.com/thailand-news/t...paign=Thailand+sex+work+reform+calls+grow+after+murder.

Thailand's sex trade remains illegal, but its presence is highly visible from Soi Cowboy in Bangkok's Sukhumvit area to Pattaya's Walking Street, where nightlife businesses continue to draw visitors from around the world.
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Some workers moved from venues to freelance work advertised through social media platforms, she said. Swing has also observed that the workforce is becoming more diverse in gender, reflecting changing demand.
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He said some entertainment venues and massage parlours were known to covertly offer sexual services. That grey area, he argued, creates opportunities for officials to demand bribes or extort money from workers.
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Ms Surang said the illegal status of sex work leaves workers effectively outside the formal employment system and wider economy, without meaningful power to negotiate their livelihoods.

One question is, would decriminalization of commercial sex work in what would then be legal prostitution establishments of bars, clubs, shops, brothels, etc in Thailand be a good or a bad thing for the market.

I assume it would provide more protections and benefits for the sex workers in those venues as mentioned in the article. But then they would be getting taxed on their official and presumably tracked and monitored incomes. You know damn well one requirement by the tax collectors and regulators would be that the payments for the sex work be made upfront with a receipt. Already a bad idea for the customer imo.

And can we assume that the prostitutes who choose the life of a freelancer without the regulations, protections and quasi union benefits of the commercial sex workers in licensed venues but who very likely would offer better deals on the service than "employees" of a venue would be left alone to provide the service outside of any criminal charge attached to it as they do now or would that suddenly become a crime under the headings of Tax Evasion or running a business without a license?

I'm leaning toward preferring it be left as it is now; the exchange of sex for money and money for sex between consenting adults not being a crime or punishable by any penalty. That doesn't make tax collectors happy I know. But unless there would also be social workers and representatives looking out for the benefits of the customers who pay the entire sex work fee upfront and get issued a receipt at the bars, clubs, brothels and shops, as I know there won't be, I suspect the value for money in the deal will sink like a rock in a pond, customers fleeing from those venues even faster than some do already and everybody loses. And if tax collectors are chasing down freelancers for the new crime of Tax Evasion vs nobody chasing them down today for no crime at all other than that easily avoidable Section 5 kind of stuff, that would be a major shame.

[SubCmdr]

Last 6 posts in the Pattaya Reports thread were about hotels in Pattaya. If only there was a thread about Hotels in Pattaya then we could actually read reports about having sex with girls in the Pattaya Reports thread.

[SubCmdr]

Last seven posts in the Bangkok Reports thread are about food. The old, ugly, fat farangs who don't fuck anymore are having a field day. I guess when you can no longer perform then you turn to food as you comfort. But the rest of us who are here to share information about having sex with girls, well we really don't give a fuck about your restaurant reviews in Bangkok.

ROTFLMAO!

[EihTooms]

Use Thai Friendly wrong and you will end up violating Section 7 of The Act.

If neither you nor anyone else nor even your favorite past poster who eventually gave up trying to prove a point contrary to all available evidence still couldn't find the words, phrase or sentence in Section 7 of the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act nor anywhere else in that Act nor anywhere in the Thai Penal Code that made exchanging money for sex or sex for money between consenting adults a crime in Thailand punishable by any penalty whatsoever, nor even for engaging in a discrete discussion and agreement to do it, then I would say Boom! No crime has been committed for engaging it that activity.

But don't worry. I will not abandon you and others in your struggle and so far failed mission to find and produce so much as a shred of evidence in a Code, an Act or any repeated news reports of prostitutes being arrested for things other than exchanging sex for money between consenting adults that such activity is a crime and punishible by any penalty whatsoever;.

I promise to do my best to read every detail in every post by you and others on this particular topic in the ISG Thailand Forum and if I ever see anything that does prove that the exchange of sex for money or money for sex between consenting adults is a crime in Thailand punishable by any penalty whatsoever I will most certainly reply to it and grandly congratulate you or whoever finds it for being the very first person in ISG history and in the history of Thailand in general to discover and reveal what must be the most secret of secret hidden statements and legally enforceable Sections in any and every related document ever published.

I swear to god I will. I am here for you in that regard.

[SubCmdr]

So is your apartment building, my apartment building, likely almost every apartment building and house in Thailand over the past several decades and every hotel building in Thailand a "Prostitution Establishment" that is sure to be closed down and virtually everyone in them as well as the owners of them arrested, charged, tried, convicted, sentenced fined / imprisoned for this "not legal" act of prostitution any minute now?

Any business in Thailand that announces and all easily observable evidence is that it is "used for the purpose of prostitution and where acts of prostitution regularly occur" can and sometimes will be closed down and / or the owners arrested. That's why the formerly named Dr. BJ's Salon in Bangkok changed its name to Wood Bar.

But, remember, the closure and arrests can not be motivated merely by the impression of some casual observer, zealous "prostitution is not legal in Thailand" proponent on ISG or anyone who reads his posts and gets riled up by his repeated message who calls the cops on them and demands they be closed down for it. The police have to arrive on the scene and observe them for a while themselves and see if it really is such an establishment.

As it happens, almost every time the police show up in Nana Plaza, Pattaya's Walking Street and the various bars and shops around Thailand, and even when the police shacks, strolls and stations are located right there in the midst of them, all they ever see and hear going on in those places is people drinking, enjoying the sight of exotic dancing, making new friends, getting a therapeutic massage and stuff like that. Rarely do they ever see or hear "evidence" that those businesses are being used for prostitution or that any sex in exchange for money is happening in them.

But if there is a sign outside a building or business you encounter in Thailand saying anything like, "Get your red hot fucks and blowjobs right here for 1,000 baht and up!" or the ladies outside are shouting a message like that at passersby, let us all know here at least a few weeks before you report them to the police please.

Other then being posted by a International Trick lay person who does not have grasp on basic legal principles, this is the best post ever written to confirm the idea that Prostitution is NOT Legal in Thailand. Thank you for your support.

[SubCmdr]

Use Thai Friendly wrong and you will end up violating Section 7 of The Act.

Section 7. Any person who advertises or agrees to advertise, induces or introduces by means of documents or printed matters, or by any means makes known to the public in a manner apparently indicative of importunity or solicitation for the prostitution of oneself or another person shall be liable to imprisonment for a term of six months to two years or to a fine of ten thousand to forty thousand Baht or to both.

Example Thai girl in Pattaya opens a Thai Friendly profile in the Pattaya area. She writes in her profile description "looking for ST" she may write the price or may not. Then gives her lime ID or maybe not. Man sends her a message saying he accepts and asks how much if he does not know an already. The girls says 1000 Baht. Boom! Section 7 law is broken.

2nd example. Lady pays Fiw Fans to allow her to place an advertisement. Then she places an ad with a girls photo with a description of services, how much and a location with phone number or or Line ID. Boom! Section 7 law is broken. This is law is in the act so it is considered prostitution in the eyes of Thai law. Further, the client shows up at an hotel on Ratchada soi 7 and pays the girl in the room. The guy then confirms what service he wants, offers an extra 500 Baht for BBFS and the lady agrees. The hotel in question has 10 other rooms rented by other ladies and of course is aware of the services being provided in their hotel. The hotel now is considered a prostitution establishment. Boom! Section 6 law is also broken.

These laws are all in the PREVENTION AND SUPPRESSION OF PROSTITUTION ACT be. E. 2539 (1996) and in the eyes of Thai law all fall under the definition of prostitution or they would not be in this act.

Final thoughts. Guess what? These examples are real cases that I am aware of first hand. Secondly, do you think every prostitution case ends up in the news? Absolutely not. Otherwise the news would be full of these reports every single day..

[Mr Enternational]

Interesting article on aseannow yesterday.

Thailand's sex trade remains illegal, but its presence is highly visible.

Surang Janyam, director of the Service Workers in Group Foundation, known as Swing, said the country has more than 200,000 sex workers. The majority are in Bangkok and Pattaya, she said.

Pattaya is estimated to be home to more than 50,000 sex workers. The scale of its night-time economy is believed to generate between 100 billion and 200 billion baht each year.

Royal Thai Police data show that 19,648 people were arrested for offences under the prostitution law in 2023, down from 38, 139 arrests in 2022.

Under the 2022 Act on the Imposition of Regulatory Fines, offences under Section 5 of the prostitution law are punishable only by fines and are no longer treated as criminal offences. Authority to impose the fines was transferred from police to officials under the Social Development and Human Security Ministry.

https://aseannow.com/thailand-news/t...w+after+murder

[SubCmdr]

If the difference in economic status makes it easy for you, and you want to give a chunk of money to help a non-hooker girl you have grown to like, it is in cases like this much better to give a nice thai gold bracelet of some kind. Can say something nice, and "for a rainy day", so she will not feel any shame in selling it.
In Thailand she will get almost all the money you paid for it back as cash whenever she wants, especially if you give her the accompanying certificate, and it will not make a normal girl feel like hooker.

Funny how times have changed. When I gave gold to a very important person to me and reported about it. Here is just one of the responses I received.

And keep buying gold for your ex-bargirl. I'm sure she'll buy you an occasional gold gift worth 2% of what you bought her you ignorant fuck.

Now what I did and reported about all those years back is suddenly a good idea. ROTFLMAO!

[EihTooms]

EihTooms' definition of a Prostitution Establishment is incorrect.

What is a Prostitution Establishment?

A prostitution establishment, is defined as any building, structure, or place used for the purpose of prostitution or where acts of prostitution regularly occur.

Two excellent examples of illegal prostitution occurring. Thank you for making my point.

Section 6

Any person who associates with another person in a prostitution establishment for the purpose of prostitution of oneself or another person shall be liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one month or to a fine not exceeding one thousand Baht or to both.

If the offence under paragraph one is committed on account of compulsion or under an influence which cannot be avoided or resisted, the offender is not guilty.

The purpose of ISG is to share information on having sex with girls. The question: Is Prostitution Legal in Thailand. The answer: No, it is NOT legal in Thailand.

So is your apartment building, my apartment building, likely almost every apartment building and house in Thailand over the past several decades and every hotel building in Thailand a "Prostitution Establishment" that is sure to be closed down and virtually everyone in them as well as the owners of them arrested, charged, tried, convicted, sentenced fined / imprisoned for this "not legal" act of prostitution any minute now?

Any business in Thailand that announces and all easily observable evidence is that it is "used for the purpose of prostitution and where acts of prostitution regularly occur" can and sometimes will be closed down and / or the owners arrested. That's why the formerly named Dr. BJ's Salon in Bangkok changed its name to Wood Bar.

But, remember, the closure and arrests can not be motivated merely by the impression of some casual observer, zealous "prostitution is not legal in Thailand" proponent on ISG or anyone who reads his posts and gets riled up by his repeated message who calls the cops on them and demands they be closed down for it. The police have to arrive on the scene and observe them for a while themselves and see if it really is such an establishment.

As it happens, almost every time the police show up in Nana Plaza, Pattaya's Walking Street and the various bars and shops around Thailand, and even when the police shacks, strolls and stations are located right there in the midst of them, all they ever see and hear going on in those places is people drinking, enjoying the sight of exotic dancing, making new friends, getting a therapeutic massage and stuff like that. Rarely do they ever see or hear "evidence" that those businesses are being used for prostitution or that any sex in exchange for money is happening in them.

But if there is a sign outside a building or business you encounter in Thailand saying anything like, "Get your red hot fucks and blowjobs right here for 1,000 baht and up!" or the ladies outside are shouting a message like that at passersby, let us all know here at least a few weeks before you report them to the police please.

[SubCmdr]

You can find them along Beach Road early in the evening or late at night after 2 am, but the quality and attitude can be hit or miss for that price point. However, with 2000 baht for ST and 4500 baht for LT, though, the pool of available options expands quite a bit.

In my opinion those are some crazy numbers and would never pay that to a princess standing under palm tree. To each their own!

I got 18 year olds off of Thai Friendly taking all that I have to give them for 1000 Short Time. Why? Because they want to experience what it's like to be with a Strong Black Man!

I'm looking for my garden tools!

[SubCmdr]

The purpose of ISG is to share information about having sex with girls.

Let me know when you get to my level, boy.

Here we have another homosexual talking about a boy. I have no reason to want to be on your level. Considering how low it is over all.

You only got tossed out of the Dominican republic last year.

Shows your memory is gone. 1. Never got tossed out of the Dominican Republic. 2. Been posting about Thailand for well over a minute.

I've been here posting about Bangkok under this name or another since this forum started,

Nobody gives a fuck about your historical ruminations about your glory days. Maybe you posted useful information then. Today you post nothing of use. Probably because of your mental and medical conditions. People want current information. Like the posts I make.

better catch up with your endless pontifications and diatribes about your dick.

No need to catch up to someone so far behind me I cannot even see them in the rear view mirror.

They are all good depending on what you feel like eating. Rip the bong, gorge on lobster, prime rib and cheesecake, then burp and go to sleep. The beauty of being older and living in se Asia.

See, here is proof. Talking about a buffet is some serious old man male bovine excrement! But I understand why you do it. Using your mouth is the only way you get pleasure today.

I flew into BKK last year just to eat in a buffet. Mongering was an afterthought.

Uh huh! Just what I thought.

If you are what you eat does that mean that you are pussy!

[Nyezhov]

This explains why he provided absolutely no useful information about International Trickin!!

Let me know when you get to my level, boy. You only got tossed out of the Dominican republic last year. I've been here posting about Bangkok under this name or another since this forum started, better catch up with your endless pontifications and diatribes about your dick.

[SubCmdr]

Neither a massage shop, nor a gogo bar, nor a beer bar is recognized by the authorities as "a prostitution establishment" unless there is some blatantly obvious sign for it hanging over the door or the ladies are outside shouting, "Get your red hot fucks and blowjobs right here!

EihTooms' definition of a Prostitution Establishment is incorrect.

What is a Prostitution Establishment?

A prostitution establishment, is defined as any building, structure, or place used for the purpose of prostitution or where acts of prostitution regularly occur.

Now, on a related matter, over the years of living in Thailand I have known owners and operators of a Massage / Spa / Blow Job Bar and a Happy Ending Massage Shop quite well. The Farang and Thai owners of them. Right in ground zero for P4 P in Bangkok, minutes walks from BTS Nana and Sukhumvit / Asoke. I have asked them about these "bribes" they supposedly must surely pay the police or the government in order to stay open and run their businesses where, coincidently, despite their businesses offering therapeutic massage to the public, it turns out some of their staff make discreet and private agreements to exchange various forms of sex for money.

Both of them said they have never paid anyone a bribe to stay open and run their little therapeutic massage shops. And they have never been approached by anyone in authority asking for or demanding such a "bribe". But those are only two examples.

Two excellent examples of illegal prostitution occurring. Thank you for making my point.

Section 6

Any person who associates with another person in a prostitution establishment for the purpose of prostitution of oneself or another person shall be liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one month or to a fine not exceeding one thousand Baht or to both.

If the offence under paragraph one is committed on account of compulsion or under an influence which cannot be avoided or resisted, the offender is not guilty.

The purpose of ISG is to share information on having sex with girls. The question: Is Prostitution Legal in Thailand. The answer: No, it is NOT legal in Thailand.

[Pokler]

Because This Is Thailand. I suppose you will not be partaking in the services of any hookers on your trip either, since that is illegal and I am neither going to bail you out nor cover your 750 K in lost wages.

Good one. For that I'll take full responsibility.