Rants, Stupid Shit and Coronavirus in Thailand

[SubCmdr]

I've noticed a correlation between the biggest posters of male bovine excrement and lack of posts related to the purpose of ISG.

The question is: why aren't they fucking?

The answer to that question is contained in the posting histories of our two wannabe geriatric sexual athletes. One 73 and the the other 84. With the 84 year old playing off the 73 year old like he is Ed Macman. ROTFLMAO!. Neither one of them have figured out the the true objective of ISG is. The objective is not to flap their gums. The objective is not to share historical stories from their glory days.

What is my objective?

My objective is to nut!

During this entire time they have both been flapping their gums, no brother has sent me a PM asking about the legality of Prostitution in Thailand. No, their questions were about which prostitution establishments were best for them to solicit their prostitute. I shared the information with them that I had in the spirit of what ISG is for. You have to wonder why they contact me? The contacted me because my posting history shows I fuck!

It should be noted

The Government of at least one of our Senior Member geriatric sexual athletes says this:

From the US Department of State

BUREAU OF DEMOCRACY, HUMAN RIGHTS, AND LABOR.

2008 Country Reports on Human Rights Practices.

Report.

February 25,2009.

Prostitution is illegal, although it is practiced openly throughout the country. Local officials with commercial interests in prostitution often protected the practice. Trafficking in women and children for prostitution was a serious problem. The illegal nature of the work and the high incidence of part-time prostitutes made precise numbers difficult to assess, and estimates varied widely. A government survey during the year found that there were 76,000 to 77,000 adult prostitutes in registered entertainment establishments. However, NGOs believed there were between 200,000 and 300,000 prostitutes.

https://2009-2017.state.gov/j/drl/rl...eap/119058.htm

I did not write the report. I just quoted it

I wonder if our Senior member who feels so passionately about the subject has written / emailed / called the Secretary of State, his representative in the House or contacted one or both of his Senators of his podunk state in the Dis United States of America tell them he is a Registered Democrat, he votes and he demands that they correct their error?

ROTFLMAO!

[SubCmdr]

Police in Pattaya have raided the Coming Bar in Soi 6. They allegedly uncovered evidence of prostitution and underage sex on the premises. Authorities noted that prostitution was available at the venue and had 18 women available to service customers, one girl was found to be 17 years old. The venue had rooms available above the bar for customers.

https://thethaiger.com/hot-news/crim...d-underage-sex

Please note that this prostitution establishment was unmarked. Note also the mention of the venue having rooms available above the bar for customers. Yet there are senior members who say prostitution is legal in Thailand.

[EihTooms]

I do remember the Pattaya police arresting a Farang for prostitution, using a recently arrested lady in a sting operation.

And I remember Windmill being raided and shut down for having short time rooms on site.

We already know that a couple of BJ Bars in Bangkok were temporarily shutdown a few years ago because the ladies sitting outside got too loud, overt and shameless about describing the sex acts for sale inside their venue to the pedestrians passing by. That is illegal in Thailand. But they soon reopened and since then and for years now the ladies just describe the sex acts for sale inside their venue in a normal voice to potential customers that approach them up close.

I have been in Windmill a few times and could see there were customers paying the ladies for "sexual gratification" activities like DATY right onstage, in full view of everyone in the bar and it being done as a matter of routine exchange of money for sex. The fact that we can only vaguely recall one time in the past when that place was closed down for being a "prostitution establishment" but only for drifting into the part of Thai Law where the ST rooms on the premises could be construed as concrete evidence they were running a commercial prostitution in a promiscuous manner establishment speaks volumes about how overt and shameless one needs to go for Thai authorities to bother with it.

As far as some farang being targeted in a sting operation for whatever it was that violated Thai Law, we would need to see a link for the report to know more about what went down. We already know it could not have been for him having a person-to-person discussion and agreement with a consenting adult to exchange money and then fulfilling that agreement in private quarters because there are exactly zero laws on the books in Thailand citing that behavior as illegal, a crime and punishable by any penalty whatsoever.

It happens all the time in Podunk countries with Podunk legal definitions for prostitution and solicitation for prostitution.

But since Thailand and Thai Law doesn't give a shit about anyone's legal definitions for those and other things but their own and their own are stated clearly and in plain language in the Code and the Act and nowhere is there so much as a sentence citing the behavior I just described as illegal or a crime it could not have been for that version of prostitution or solicitation for prostitution. It had to be for something else.

[EihTooms]

https://mekongmigration.org/labourla...Act%201996.pdf

The actual definition of prostitution reads as follows:

in a promiscuous manner is not defined in the law nor has it been defined in Thai Courts.

There is no definition of solicitation for prostitution written into the law.

There is no definition of overtly and shamelessly or cause nuisance to the public.

If a case was to goto Thai Court then the Judge would determine if the circumstances supported by the facts met the standard. That standard is not set up front.

EihTooms knows this and that is why he give his interpretation of the law instead of actually reading it an quoting it to us.

One of the biggest errors he makes is:

There is not requirement that a venue advertise that they are a prostitution establishment in order for them to be one. They simply must have premises arranged or allowed for prostitution or be a place used for making contact for prostitution.

That is the plain language of the law. It needs no interpretation from a non-Thai citizen, non-Thai member of the bar.

The manner of solicitation for prostitution that Thailand considers breaking the law is clearly and in plain language described in Thai law and has nothing to do with the way it is defined in your Podunk country.

The clear and in plain language requirement in Thai Law is that prostitution in a promiscuous manner be the purpose and behavior allowed in an establishment for it to be a "prostitution establishment. " The fact that consenting adults might engage in person-to-person discussions about exchanging money for sex in a venue that sells alcohol, food, entertainment, bowling, t-shirts, hamburgers or donuts and it is "allowed" because the owners, management and other staff members of those venues don't pro-actively jump in to monitor, record, log into the record and present as evidence in a court of law everything those consenting adults discussed does not make any of those venues a "prostitution establishment" any more than it makes McDs, a temple, a mall, a hotel lobby or the hallway in your apartment complex a "prostitution establishment".

Sorry, SubCmdr, you'll have to come up with better ways to communicate with Thai authorities here and elsewhere to encourage them to shut down gogo bars, beer bars, restaurants, hotels, shopping malls, cinemas, temples, bowling alleys and other locations all over Thailand and getting their proprietors and everyone on ISG arrested and interrogated for entering, patronizing and "allowing" something for which there is no crime in Thailand to take place.

[SubCmdr]

I do remember the Pattaya police arresting a Farang for prostitution, using a recently arrested lady in a sting operation.

Please provide the link to the news story. I am interested in reading it.

And I remember Windmill being raided and shut down for having short time rooms on site.

Windmill GoGo in Pattaya raided: Three arrested over prostitution and underage sex

As difficult as it might be to believe, police have found MORE evidence of prostitution in Pattaya. Attention this time turned to the red-light district of Walking Street where regular inspections from police and officials in the past have found no prostitution (cough).

Police conducted a raid using an undercover informant after receiving tip-offs the bar was being used as a shop-front to sell sex to foreigners. In the early hours of this morning (Saturday), the Windmill GoGo was raided resulting in three people being arrested. Police used a foreigner acting as a potential customer to scope out the premises and the services on offer.

https://thethaiger.com/hot-news/crim...d-underage-sex

[Explorer8939]

I do remember the Pattaya police arresting a Farang for prostitution, using a recently arrested lady in a sting operation.

And I remember Windmill being raided and shut down for having short time rooms on site.

[SubCmdr]

https://mekongmigration.org/labourla...Act%201996.pdf

The actual definition of prostitution reads as follows:

Prostitution means the acceptance of sexual intercourse, the acceptance of any other act, or the commission of any other act for sexual gratification of another person in a promiscuous manner for remuneration or any other benefit, irrespective of whether the person who accepts such act and the person who commits such act are of the same or opposite sex;.

in a promiscuous manner is not defined in the law nor has it been defined in Thai Courts.

There is no definition of solicitation for prostitution written into the law.

There is no definition of overtly and shamelessly or cause nuisance to the public.

If a case was to goto Thai Court then the Judge would determine if the circumstances supported by the facts met the standard. That standard is not set up front.

Section 5

Whoever, for the purpose of prostitution, offers, solicits, introduces oneself to, follows, or importunes another person on a street, in a public place, or any other place and such act is overtly and shamelessly committed or causes nuisance to the public, shall be punished with a fine not exceeding one thousand baht.

EihTooms knows this and that is why he give his interpretation of the law instead of actually reading it an quoting it to us.

One of the biggest errors he makes is:

"Prostitution Establishment" means the place or premises arranged for prostitution or allowed for prostitution, and shall include the place used for making contact or procuring another person for prostitution;.

There is not requirement that a venue advertise that they are a prostitution establishment in order for them to be one. They simply must have premises arranged or allowed for prostitution or be a place used for making contact for prostitution.

That is the plain language of the law. It needs no interpretation from a non-Thai citizen, non-Thai member of the bar.

[EihTooms]

After all of these years, I learn that my evasive maneuvers and tactics have been nothing more than "stupid shit"; I guess it shows that you're never to old to learn something new. 555+++..

Isn't it a relief to finally notice that the reason no Thai police officer has ever arrested any consenting adult age 18 or older of either gender for merely discussing and agreeing to exchange sex for money or money for sex and then convening to private quarters to fulfill that agreement whether the person-to-person agreement was made in a gogo bar, beer bar, massage shop, hotel lobby, temple, bowling alley, nightclub, shopping mall, street corner, bts station, mrt station, train car or anywhere else in Thailand or even on ThaiFriendly is because there is absolutely no Thai Law in any legally enforceable document that cites it as illegal or a crime or punishable by any fine or imprisonment whatsoever?

Really! It has not been because you run Serpentine from place to place with your P4 P lady of choice, not because you are so street-smart about what to say and what not to say in conversation on ThaiFriendly, not because you brilliantly know all the ropes about how to maneuver the mean streets of crime and punishment in Bangkok, Pattaya, Jomtien Beach, Phuket and so on.

Nope.

It is simply because Thailand and Thai Law doesn't give a shit about the legal definition of "prostitution" or "solicitation for prostitution" in Kansas or any other Podunk country or town. They only care about their own legal definition for those behaviors. Thai police are not even looking at you or your P4 P lady with suspicion that you might have broken a Thai law on those issues unless you have done it within the strict and narrow definition of therms as anyone can see in plain language in the text of those documents.

Of course, every Thai police officer knows exactly what you and your P4 P lady probably discussed and agreed to do inside those gogo bars, beer bars, nightclubs, bowling alleys and son on before you emerged from those locations to stroll calmly and without incident to your hotel or apartment to have sex in exchange for money. And even if you retreated to private quarters to do that within that bowling alley or whatever. But they also know your doing that might have broken the law in your Podunk country but does not break a law in Thailand unless that venue, hotel lobby, shopping mall etc has a sign or some other means to overtly and shamelessly declare it to be a Prostitution in a promiscuous manner Establishment.

Well, I suppose you might be taking a risk of arrest, fine and imprisonment in Thailand or at least selectively enforced arrest and interrogation if there is something about your demeanor that strongly suggests you are a deadbeat living off the earned income of your P4 P lady. Thailand and Thai Law are adamant about enforcing the law and punishing anyone at least 16 years old for the crime of having their prostitutes spend so much as a baht of the money they legally earned by fucking and sucking in exchange for money on you, your food, drink, bowling and so on.

Try not to get caught admitting such a thing on, you know, ISG or or any other place.

[Sam Sanuk]

Anyone here getting laid?

Or are you too worried about the police?

Jai yen yen. High season is nearly upon us. Reports should be flowing in soon. Assuming that prostitution will be legalized.

Sam.

[SubCmdr]

So in other words, you have nothing dick worshiper. LOL. Thanks for studying my posts, you might learn something LOL.

You are welcome. Same Same you as you manage to reply to nearly every post I make. I see you have already responded to my post about inflation in the General Reports thread.

When are you going to actual visit Thailand and post something that is currently useful (as opposed to just talking about your glory days visiting Thailand)?

Check Ball!

[SubCmdr]

In the history of ISG no one has ever produced a legal opinion that says prostitution is legal in Thailand?

Anyone here getting laid?

Are you actually reading RANTS for fuck reports?

The Senior Member making the most noise about prostitution being legal in Thailand says he does not file fuck reports. What he does is walks around Bangkok making observations, watches YouTube and talks shit to other Senior Members who are actually filing boots on the ground reports about venues in Bangkok and Thailand. Click on my posting history and you can answer your own question at least about me.

BTW, reports that don't list where you are sourcing your prostitutes, the services your prostitute provided and the price you paid your prostitute are useless. You will find many of those useless reports in the Thailand Lounge and Chat that is just ego chest beating and grandstanding!

are you too worried about the police?

Are you actually asking this as a serious question?

There is no enforcement crackdown like is going on with the nominees. But those laws were on the books for 20 years. International Tricks only need to read the law and operate with their eyes wide open in Thailand.

[SubCmdr]

I've noticed a correlation between the biggest posters of male bovine excrement and lack of posts related to the purpose of ISG.

The question is: why aren't they fucking?

[SubCmdr]

After all of these years, I learn that my evasive maneuvers and tactics have been nothing more than "stupid shit"; I guess it shows that you're never to old to learn something new. 555+++..

After all these years you still don't even have 500 posts to your name.

ROTFLMAO!

[SubCmdr]

The laws in Thailand are selectively enforced. A plain language review of the law would find Soi 6 in violation of Section 6 and Section 5. The operations on that Soi fit the definition of a prostitution establishment. Anyone who has actually been to Soi 6 in the past or present would understand this using their own eyes, both to observe the activities in the street and venues and by reading the law with their own eyes without paying attention to those who are unqualified to provide a legal opinion trying to tell his International Tricks how to interpret the law.

Period. Full Stop!

[EihTooms]

As we all now know, Thailand and Thai Law doesn't give a shit about anybody else's legal definition of "Prostitution" for legal purposes except their own, which, according to the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act of 1996, is when it is done "in a promiscuous manner" and in no other manner.

And as we all now know, Thailand and Thai Law doesn't give a shit about anybody else's legal definition of "solicitation for prostitution" for legal purposes except their own, which, according to that same Act, is when it is done "on a street, in a public place, or any other place and such act is overtly and shamelessly committed or causes nuisance to the public" and no other way.

Anyone with minimal reading and comprehension skills can read and comprehend those literal and plain language definitions in the Act, without a hint of "legalese" or specialized grammar applied to them, on several of my previous posts, several of fellow ISG member SubCmdr's posts and certainly by reading the entire texts of each at links provided by him and me including right here in this post of mine. See links below.

Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act of 1996

https://mekongmigration.org/labourla...Act%201996.pdf

Thai Penal Code, in English.
See Title IX, Offences Relating to Sexuality

https://www.samuiforsale.com/law-tex...enal-code.html

An interesting observation is that only in the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act of 1996 is the term "Prostitution" even mentioned. And there it is immediately defined in plain language for Thai legal purposes in the way I mentioned above and as you can easily read in plain language in the link above or in several of my and SubCmdr's other posts and quotes of it.

And as I read Title IX of the Thai Penal Code, Offences Related to Sexuality, in its entirety, I see no mention of the word "prostitution" at all. Nor is there a mention of any manner of exchanging sex for money or money for sex with anyone being a crime.

The authors of the Thai Penal Code have apparently left that topic entirely to the above mentioned Act of 1996, which only cites an extremely narrow definition of one or two prostitution-related activities and only if done in a particularly extreme manner for it to be illegal. Otherwise, the authors of the Thai Penal Code have no legal or criminal opinion whatsoever about anyone being paid money for providing sex or providing sex for money, neither for soliciting for it, shouting it out from the rooftops openly and shamelessly, whispering it person-to-person in a bar, a massage shop, on the street or anywhere in any manner. Nothing.

Thailand and Thai Law is that disinterested in busting consenting adults on either side of the deal for discussing and agreeing to exchange sex for money or money for sex and retreating to private quarters to fulfill that agreement.

Yep, there is indeed no need for you to run Serpentine down the street with your P4 P lady of choice attempting to dodge bullets or threats of arrest by the Thai police going in or out of any bar, massage shop, Dunkin' Donuts bakery or whatever unless you are wearing that sandwich board sign with the neon lights stating your intentions to pay money for sex, difficult to run Serpentine wearing that anyway, or she looks particularly uncomfortable, as though she has been forced into being with you.

Unless I missed it. And I am always open to someone else reading it and pointing out where such a hidden treasure can be found in the Thai Penal Code.

There is, however, a Section 286 in the Thai Penal Code where the term "prostitute" appears! But that Section is all about busting deadbeats over age 16 who are living off the income of a prostitute when they are not the ones doing the fucking and sucking for money. See, unlike most of our Podunk countries, Thailand and Thai Law are very protective of prostitutes and the income they earn and deserve to keep from doing that job.

To be sure, there are many offences related to sexuality cited as crimes in the Code; forcing someone to have sex, procuring someone to have sex with another person, threatening them with bodily harm unless they have sex with you, inflicting bodily harm, etc.

But arranging and engaging in the exchange of money for sex or sex for money among consenting adults doing so of their own free will and in any manner isn't one of them.