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An old friend of mine from Soi Cowboy said that she had moved and was now working in Nana Plaza. Good, I would like to see her again. Where are you working, I messaged her. Twitter bar (her spelling) was the answer. I googled Twitter bar in Nana plaza with no results. She messaged me again saying that she was at work now. I replied, where is Twitter bar? She replied: second floor with all the blue lights. I walked down to Twister. Ex rainbow bar and sat outside. She came out and grabbed me. I said. OHHH. This is Twitter bar.Thais cannot pronounce Twister and hence would not know how to spell it as well. Twitter is about what is expected (more pronounceable for a Thai). Yes it was once the site of Rainbow 4, on the first/2nd floor.
"2nd floor" is a little confusing as it would be first floor for the numbering system of European countries. I believe it is the American way to label the ground as first floor, but in may countries the first floor is next floor up from the ground (where Twister is). So maybe we should call it the middle floor (one up from the ground level). Asia supposedly uses the European system: e.g. Ground floor, then next one is the first floor, but maybe their are Americanised exceptions.
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"2nd floor" is a little confusing as it would be first floor for the numbering system of European countries. I believe it is the American way to label the ground as first floor, but in may countries the first floor is next floor up from the ground (where Twister is). So maybe we should call it the middle floor (one up from the ground level). Asia supposedly uses the European system: e.g. Ground floor, then next one is the first floor, but maybe their are Americanised exceptions.Either the owners of Nana Plaza or some individual bar owners have more or less settled that issue that has indeed popped up here from time to time and caused a bit of confusion.
For as long as I can recall over the past few years, there has been a sign posted on the railing at the top of the escalator with something like "Mandarin Bar (Club?), Table Dancing, 2nd Floor" on it. Since the only one of the two Mandarin Bars there that can provide table dancing is the one right at the top of the escalator on the middle level and not the one up an additional flight of stairs, I would say whoever put that sign up decided the ground level is the 1st Floor.
And now there is a big banner above the lighted third level "Geisha" go-go bar sign that touts it as being "on the 3rd Floor."
Robert Long
12-11-18, 19:12
How do you receive local calls? E. G. What number would someone say in Bangkok would call to reach you while you were in Bangkok?I have T-Mobile USA and just use their roaming. Automatically changes when I enter a country. Along with that I get calls without any problems. I assume if you have to call another USA number in Bkk, you use the +1 before the area code. While in Bkk with friends we use the text feature to plan and set times to meet. The only problem, and it is big is that T-Mobile is only 2 G, so you have to be in a location that has WiFi.
One other thing, GRAB taxi service can be good and bad. Get the app and check the rate from your location to destination. Then wave a taxi and ask his price. Gives you leverage every time. Had one experience where the GRAB cab doubled the price listed. We exited that cab fast. But it was rush hour on Sukhumvit and we wanted to go to Rajadamnern Stadium to watch Muay Thai. Took BTS to National and caught a Tok-Tok instead.
RL.
I have T-Mobile USA and just use their roaming. Automatically changes when I enter a country. Along with that I get calls without any problems. I assume if you have to call another USA number in Bkk, you use the +1 before the area code. While in Bkk with friends we use the text feature to plan and set times to meet. The only problem, and it is big is that T-Mobile is only 2G, so you have to be in a location that has WiFi.
I guess that means T-Mobile has no arrangement with Thailand Carrier for Internet Data, if you say only via Wifi. 2G merely means a slow speed from the old generation. I recall that in days of 2G, we still could have internet data (not via Wifi) but via GPRS or Edge. Edge provided a small boost in Data speed, before 3G came out. I certainly had data (not via Wifi) in the days of 2G. Just was a bit slow. E used to show on top of phone to indicate places where Edge was available.
My Foreign SIM Card from home country, can be used in Thailand also "International Roaming". I don't use the Data Roaming feature though, for fear of high charges, have not checked in recent years if has improved. Just has been easier to use a Thai SIM Card with normal data provision 4G. Can be obtained at airport for use 7 days or 30 days whatever you need. I am in Thailand enough to maintain the same Thai SIM card over several years. I think for many it is useful to have a separate SIM and phone number and handset for mongering use. Don't want the GF to find suspicious things in my "normal" phone. I have had multiple phones since many years ago. Also have a dual SIM phone.
A monger phone should be small, set to silent, no display of messages in pop up, etc. and kept well hidden, password protected etc. maybe with battery taken out, as though its just a spare phone in case other phone breaks down (probably an old model). Batteries can be charged up separate to the phone itself.
Messaging with hookers is dangerous if GF is around naturally. Best done only when well away from GF's location.
I have T-Mobile USA and just use their roaming. Automatically changes when I enter a country. Along with that I get calls without any problems. I assume if you have to call another USA number in Bkk, you use the +1 before the area code. While in Bkk with friends we use the text feature to plan and set times to meet. The only problem, and it is big is that T-Mobile is only 2 G, so you have to be in a location that has WiFi.
One other thing, GRAB taxi service can be good and bad. Get the app and check the rate from your location to destination. Then wave a taxi and ask his price. Gives you leverage every time. Had one experience where the GRAB cab doubled the price listed. We exited that cab fast. But it was rush hour on Sukhumvit and we wanted to go to Rajadamnern Stadium to watch Muay Thai. Took BTS to National and caught a Tok-Tok instead.
RL.I have T-Mobile USA as well. My point with TMO and Google Fi is that it may be difficult or impossible for people with Thai SIMs to call you due to cost. I know Thai girls use Line and other stuff but I still want them to be able to call me. I think it is highly preferable to have a Thai SIM and local number even if you are only staying a week or so. And Thai SIMs are very inexpensive and their data connections are fast. I seldom turn on the wifi in Thailand since the data is so fast and cheap.
Banana Boi
12-12-18, 02:51
My point with TMO and Google Fi is that it may be difficult or impossible for people with Thai SIMs to call you due to cost. I know Thai girls use Line and other stuff but I still want them to be able to call me. Not disagreeing that anyone staying a week shouldn't just get an inexpensive Thai Sim but I don't know a single Thai girl who doesn't use Line for calling. I pay 99 baht for 1 week or 29 baht per day through dtac.
One other thing, GRAB taxi service can be good and bad.GRAB taxi in Bangkok is always bad for price. It seems to be at least 80% more than a meter taxi. The good part, as you wrote, is that you get a price reference. Also, it's good because you don't need to tell the driver where to go, which sometimes can be very difficult to convey to the meter taxi driver.
Then wave a taxi and ask his price.Very bad advice if you want to get a good price. Even the honest taxi driver will overcharge you if you do that. You should always insist politely for them to use the meter.
But it was rush hour on SukhumvitYes, during certain times such as rush hour or rain, many taxi drivers will not use the meter. I travel from Sukhumvit to Khoa San Road many times. During rush hour, it will take between 1 and 1.5 hours. Without traffic, it's between 15 to 18 minutes. Many taxi drivers will refuse to use the meter. Sometimes I have to ask 3 or 4 taxi drivers. But the key point is that eventually (fairly fast since there are so many taxis around), one will say yes.
Note: You will never get a taxi that is parked near the tourist areas to use their meter. They are waiting for a tourist in order to charge them 3 to 5 times the price. Don't even talk to them. Unless you don't mind paying the extra money. The advantage is that they usually understand enough English to know where you want to go to.
The prices for GRAB in Bangkok is always more than the meter taxis.
The prices for GRAB in Phnom Penh is good and recommended. Those idiots raised the airport coupon taxi to $15 to the riverside; I guess because they had less business than before. Grab was less than $10. Now you don't have to be gouged by the airport taxis or tuk tuks. Didn't notice any surge pricing.
The prices for GRAB in Ho Chi Minh is good and recommended. Sometimes it's a lot cheaper than a meter taxi. I paid 98K dong from the airport to Bui Vien. Coupon taxi was 220K. Meter was previously 160K. But surge pricing sometimes will make it higher, but not much more.
Very bad advice if you want to get a good price. Even the honest taxi driver will overcharge you if you do that. You should always insist politely for them to use the meter.
Normally you wave a taxi and just ask him if he will take you to your destination, assuming he understands and you could pronounce it right. He indicates okay Or no. If he offers a set price, yes usually it will be a very bad price. Usually then try the next taxi.
If he just says no then you can try offering him a bit more than the meter rate as incentive, in case you are in a hurry. E. g. I know it costs only 80 Baht but will offer him 100 or if really desperate even 150. I really don't mind to pay 20 Baht more if that will make him decide favourably.
Sometimes in a bad traffic situation, every taxi will refuse unless you offer a fair incentive.
Even my Thai is good, I say "Suan Plu" and the taxi hears "Suwanaphum" because that is what he wants to hear. Better to say "Sathorn" (more clear). So always make sure the taxi knows where you are going. Get him to say it. I then ask him what route he will use. Make sure it is sensible.
Be aware that taxis will tend to avoid tollways to keep your total price down, but could cause you to waste a lot of time. You have to tell him you are happy to pay the tolls to save time. You should always have google Maps and know sensible alternative routes. Some drivers will take a crazy route if you do not prevent it, sometimes out of ignorance that they don't know the possible routes that well.
Some drivers will take the wrong exit off a freeway, or fail to exit when they should. Your vigilance is needed. You should always know what is going on, allowing for possible devious good route choices.
I don't use Grab or Uber. I like "All Thai" Taxis though. Orange vehicle usually Hybrid with blue map of Thailand on the door.
Member #4591
12-14-18, 13:15
GRAB taxi in Bangkok is always bad for price. It seems to be at least 80% more than a meter taxi. The good part, as you wrote, is that you get a price reference. Also, it's good because you don't need to tell the driver where to go, which sometimes can be very difficult to convey to the meter taxi driver.
Very bad advice if you want to get a good price. Even the honest taxi driver will overcharge you if you do that. You should always insist politely for them to use the meter.
Yes, during certain times such as rush hour or rain, many taxi drivers will not use the meter. I travel from Sukhumvit to Khoa San Road many times. During rush hour, it will take between 1 and 1.5 hours. Without traffic, it's between 15 to 18 minutes. Many taxi drivers will refuse to use the meter. Sometimes I have to ask 3 or 4 taxi drivers. But the key point is that eventually (fairly fast since there are so many taxis around), one will say yes.
Note: You will never get a taxi that is parked near the tourist areas to use their meter. They are waiting for a tourist in order to charge them 3 to 5 times the price. Don't even talk to them. Unless you don't mind paying the extra money. The advantage is that they usually understand enough English to know where you want to go to.
The prices for GRAB in Bangkok is always more than the meter taxis.
I'm sorry but this is just completly not true. If you don't know about grab in Thailand, please don't write this blatant untruth. If you know how to use the app, then it goes like this:
Grab taxi: meter + 25 Baht.
Just Grab: flat rate.
Grab Car: Flat rate.
Grab Car plus (premiuim) : Flat rate.
Please make sure you know what you are talking about when you post. If you choose a normal taxi in grab, you pay the meter plus 20 Baht. I use this service everyday to and from work.
Please make sure you know what you are talking about when you post.Geez! Replace the second word (taxi) with service. I was using "taxi" as a generic word. Then my post completely applies. I use the car service in other countries. Never used it in Bangkok because the fare given was way more than the meter taxi.
The intent of my post is to say that GRAB is more expensive than a meter taxi in Bangkok.
What is not true? Pease use some common sense before you trash my post.
Blanquiceleste
12-14-18, 14:01
Asia supposedly uses the European system: e.g. Ground floor, then next one is the first floor, but maybe their are Americanised exceptions.Ground Floor is called Level 1 in Singapore. I could never understand why.
Ground Floor is called Level 1 in Singapore. I could never understand why.In America the ground floor is the first level. Second floor is second floor. Seems logical to me.
Member #4591
12-14-18, 17:54
Geez! Replace the second word (taxi) with service. I was using "taxi" as a generic word. Then my post completely applies. I use the car service in other countries. Never used it in Bangkok because the fare given was way more than the meter taxi.
The intent of my post is to say that GRAB is more expensive than a meter taxi in Bangkok.
What is not true? Pease use some common sense before you trash my post.You can order a meter taxi with grab and you are basically saying that you can't.
If what you are saying is true, why would you not order a meter taxi with Grab in Bangkok? Do you think we need you to post that a private car is more expensive than a meter taxi. That’s common sense too. And that is what you should use when you visit Bangkok by ordering a Grab taxi and not a grab car. Choose grab taxi and not grab car. So my point is that Grab is not more expensive than a meter taxi by more than 20 Baht because you can order a meter taxi with Grab.
Banana Boi
12-14-18, 18:24
In America the ground floor is the first level. Second floor is second floor. Seems logical to me.Come to Jakarta and Kuala Lumpur where it can be LB lower basement, B basement, UB upper basement, LG lower ground, G ground, UG upper ground, 1, 2, 3, etc. You can be many floors up before you are on 1st floor.
Do you think we need you to post that a private car is more expensive than a meter taxi. Thats common sense too.Yes.
Common sense? The major draw of the car sharing App is that it's cheaper. Private citizens drive on their spare time, don't pay the taxi taxes / fees, and undercut the meter taxis.
Grab is cheaper in Phnom Penh.
Grab private cars are cheaper in Ho Chi Minh.
Uber / Lyft private cars are cheaper in the US.
Etc, etc.
That's why Uber / Grab / and others are destroying the meter taxi industry.
Of course, it's cheaper when surge pricing is not in effect. It can be more when surge pricing is on, such as during rush hour, or when the bars close in the US.
OK. I should add a caveat to my Bangkok Grab post. Prices are more when calling from the tourist areas. Uber prices are also location dependent. I also never checked GRAB at 2 AM when there is no traffic. Maybe prices for the private car is cheaper at that time.
Maybe Grab drivers don't want to deal with that horrible Bangkok traffic, unless you pay them extra, just like the regular meter taxi drivers. Meter taxi drivers complain that their wages / fares are not high enough.
I wouldn't want to wait for a Grab meter taxi when meter taxis are everywhere in the tourist area. Of course it will be different if I am in the boondocks since it will be easier for me to call Grab than calling from phone.
Will Grab meter taxi accept if you call from a tourist area during rush hour, during surge price conditions? From my experiences in other countries, they do not accept your request. They don't want to drive many minutes to get to you, when they can easily pick up fares or overcharge desperate customers.
Come to Jakarta and Kuala Lumpur where it can be LB lower basement, B basement, UB upper basement, LG lower ground, G ground, UG upper ground, 1, 2, 3, etc. You can be many floors up before you are on 1st floor.Same here in Oz. If the level is underground you get a be or LG before the number.
Member #4591
12-14-18, 22:57
Yes.
Common sense? The major draw of the car sharing App is that it's cheaper. Private citizens drive on their spare time, don't pay the taxi taxes / fees, and undercut the meter taxis.
Grab is cheaper in Phnom Penh.
Grab private cars are cheaper in Ho Chi Minh.
Uber / Lyft private cars are cheaper in the US.
Etc, etc.
That's why Uber / Grab / and others are destroying the meter taxi industry.
Of course, it's cheaper when surge pricing is not in effect. It can be more when surge pricing is on, such as during rush hour, or when the bars close in the US.
OK. I should add a caveat to my Bangkok Grab post. Prices are more when calling from the tourist areas. Uber prices are also location dependent. I also never checked GRAB at 2 AM when there is no traffic. Maybe prices for the private car is cheaper at that time.
Maybe Grab drivers don't want to deal with that horrible Bangkok traffic, unless you pay them extra, just like the regular meter taxi drivers. Meter taxi drivers complain that their wages / fares are not high enough.
I wouldn't want to wait for a Grab meter taxi when meter taxis are everywhere in the tourist area. Of course it will be different if I am in the boondocks since it will be easier for me to call Grab than calling from phone.
Will Grab meter taxi accept if you call from a tourist area during rush hour, during surge price conditions? From my experiences in other countries, they do not accept your request. They don't want to drive many minutes to get to you, when they can easily pick up fares or overcharge desperate customers.You keep using words like surge pricing and so forth but the fact remains that Uber is no longer in Thailand and Grab it much cheaper than Uber was anyways. Grab has 4 options to use in Bangkok and is not destroying the metre taxi industry since metre taxis are joining Grab more and more everyday. Grab is also not 80 % more expensive than a metre taxis because they have metre taxis options that are the most widely used over the other choices by their mostly Thai customer base. Oooh, that must have thrown you for a loop. Yes, 80% of Grab's customer base is Thai. And just to put another wrench in your story LOL, If I cannot find a Grab taxis (option 1) for one of the many reasons you state, Grab car, the lowest tear of private car options can be gotten for 30-50 Baht more. Certainly not the 80% higher that you stated. You just don't know about Grab in Thailand as it is different than in other SEA cities and surge pricing is minimal because the average Thai wont pay it.
This is the Thailand thread and I dont care about Cambodia or another place where Grab or Uber operates. Ok that was fun.
In America the ground floor is the first level. Second floor is second floor. Seems logical to me.In Australia G is ground and 1 is 1st floor up. So I guess logic American logic isn't an exportable commodity.
Old New Guy
12-15-18, 13:10
You just don't know about Grab in Thailand as it is different than in other SEA cities and surge pricing is minimal because the average Thai wont pay it.
This is the Thailand thread and I dont care about Cambodia or another place where Grab or Uber operates. Ok that was fun.Grab is in only 18 cities in Thailand, and I think it hasn't just stormed over like Vietnam, but it will. All what the Asians want (rightly) is that most of the money stays in country. Doesn't quite match Uber attitude, I'm afraid.
Also I think much blame has to go to the weird attitudes of the drivers, at least the bikers. In Thailand, they prefer to sit idle rather than let a foreigner pay the real fare. Practically every ride I took ended into some argument. Apps wonderfully takes all their bullshit out of the way.
In Saigon I needed a short ride and didn't had the App ready - the guys sitting on their bikes all declined. Then an old guy with Grab helmet and jacket took me up. His problem was that he couldn't use the app, while the youngsters one that they couldn't use their brains.
All that said, I prefer so much to drive myself and would not trade that for free rides.
StinkyFeet
12-15-18, 14:16
Numbers are universally easier to understand than ground or above ground or below ground nonsense. Not everyone understands English. Logical right?
In Australia G is ground and 1 is 1st floor up. So I guess logic American logic isn't an exportable commodity.
Numbers are universally easier to understand than ground or above ground or below ground nonsense. Not everyone understands English. Logical right?The metric system of weights and measures is much easier to understand and use so you would think it logical that all countries would use a standard system of measurement and yet some don't.
Numbers are universally easier to understand than ground or above ground or below ground nonsense. Not everyone understands English. Logical right?I don't recall to see to much English in Asian buildings outside of the huge tourist areas.
Ground Floor is called Level 1 in Singapore. I could never understand why.Perfectly logic. It is the same in most of European countries.
Franciscass
12-16-18, 02:23
Perfectly logic. It is the same in most of European countries.Perhaps because in residential buildings in Asia the higher the floor number the higher the price.
Perfectly logic. It is the same in most of European countries.There's also logic in calling the ground floor the ground floor or level 0 (zero) and one level up floor 1, two levels up floor 2, etc.
I guess logic is not always universal and depends on what you're used to. The famous 'Thai logic' is a good example of that.
Old New Guy
12-16-18, 12:04
Perfectly logic. It is the same in most of European countries.Not in mine or any other that I've visited, including the UK.
http://speakspeak.com/about-english/ground-floors-and-first-floors-in-british-and-american-english
If you were in your 50's or 60s and wanted to dress well when you went to the bars, what would you wear? I would want to not look out of place or dressed too fancy. I always wore shorts, no pattern t-shirts and sandals. How would I be more attractive with what I wear? I am already slim and in shape, but have a lot of gray and white hair.
Thanks.
If you were in your 50's or 600 and wanted to dress well when you went to the bars, what would you wear? I would want to not look out of place or dressed too fancy. I always wore shorts, no pattern t-shirts and sandals. How would I be more attractive with what I wear? I am already slim and in shape, but have a lot of gray and white hair.
Thanks.This work well every time!
If you were in your 50's or 600 and wanted to dress well when you went to the bars, what would you wear? I would want to not look out of place or dressed too fancy. I always wore shorts, no pattern t-shirts and sandals. How would I be more attractive with what I wear? I am already slim and in shape, but have a lot of gray and white hair.
Thanks.Start by replacing t-shirt by shirt. T-shirts are hell to take off when you sweat anyway.
If you were in your 50's or 600 and wanted to dress well when you went to the bars, what would you wear? I would want to not look out of place or dressed too fancy. I always wore shorts, no pattern t-shirts and sandals. How would I be more attractive with what I wear? I am already slim and in shape, but have a lot of gray and white hair.
Thanks.The first thing might be to color your hair. I know, I know, you think it is crazy, but I look years younger when I do it. The downside, as I am sure you were thinking, is that once you start coloring you have to keep it up, but I have found that the color starts to fade with time so the colored part will soon fade and blend in with your gray.
I do believe that many of the younger girls, in particular, do discriminate a bit against older guys. By having darker hair and being relatively slender you will look younger. IMHO, this will do more to enhance your appearance and desirability than by changing your clothing style. Of course, there may be some limits here, but a change from cargo shorts to slacks probably won't make much of a difference, though you might get better luck if you dress up in a suit compared to wearing tattered cargo shorts. Even so, the girls are most interested in what you have in your wallet that will end up in theirs than how you look or dress. Be aware that if you dress too fancy they may think you are rich and will try to get more money out of you. Still, the girls know they will be taking your money home, not your looks.
And treating them nice is big. If you are rude, stink, blow smoke in their faces, or give the appearance of a disrespectful slob, it is only logical that a girl might pass you up to go with a dude who treats you with respect and who themselves appears to respect their own body. I have had girls readily accept long term with me even though they believe they could make more by doing ST, simply because they knew they would be safe and happy with me. Some here may say all they care about is money, but that is often not so true. They obviously want to maximize their income, but as long as they meet their income goals, they want to be with handsome men and with those who make them feel good.
If you were in your 50's or 60s and wanted to dress well when you went to the bars, what would you wear? I would want to not look out of place or dressed too fancy. I always wore shorts, no pattern t-shirts and sandals. How would I be more attractive with what I wear? I am already slim and in shape, but have a lot of gray and white hair.
Thanks.Status is sexy to Thai girls. More than you being fit and not fat, which is also more important to Thai girls than they openly let on. Nice shorts, t-shirts and sandals are ok. But, imo, men of a certain maturity, let's say appearing over 45 or so, are better served by wearing long pants and real shoes, thin and very casual pants and sneakers ok, on an evening out on the hunt in Bangkok.
In the mind of a Thai girl, the guy wearing long pants and real shoes is the manager, supervisor, owner, teacher, doctor and so on. The guy wearing shorts and sandals is his underling. And older men wearing too casual or sloppy beach wear going in and out of go-go bars, restaurants and nightclubs in one of the biggest, most international cities on the planet just looks, well, unknowing and disrespectful. I think Thais see it that way too.
Of course, I don't mean to suffer during Hot Season. Any time it is really hot at night, if you're going to start sweating like a pig within minutes of stepping outside because you are wearing long pants and real shoes, do the logical thing and wear shorts and sandals.
Of course, I don't mean to suffer during Hot Season. Any time it is really hot at night, if you're going to start sweating like a pig within minutes of stepping outside because you are wearing long pants and real shoes, do the logical thing and wear shorts and sandals.Agree. Good if shirt can have a collar and short sleeves. No sweat shirts or singlets. In other words cover up the armpits which may stink to the Thai nose. As you said, Shorts not really the best idea, maybe okay In Pattaya, however I note that Singapore guys usually wear shorts but are fairly well dressed.
If it is too hot, don't get hot before entering. Go in aircon taxi. Bars have aircon.
I think it is criticial to be clean and not too sweaty. So Shower and fresh clothes (shirt, underwear, etc.) first. Smelly socks or shoes could be bad. I doubt I am ever attending a bar in very hot sweaty situation.
Less critical in an Oily MP or Soapy since you are going to be bathed / showered first.
Member #4698
12-17-18, 14:51
I agree with you guys. Appearance and personal hygiene matter to the girls and can affect your hunting success rate. In humid climates like Thailand an evening shower and fresh clothes can make the difference. Many sportswear manufacturers now offer "performance" clothing that wick away sweat and perspiration better than cotton. I like the feel of cotton, but these performance shirts really work (stay dry) even after a round of golf in hot humid south Florida. Bobby Jones, for example, offers many different styles & colors of their performance polos that are perfect for a night out clubbing and dancing in BKK. I only buy sale priced items and usually do not spend more than $39/ shirt. Nike et al offer similar "performance" wear.
Look good. Smell good. Stay dry. Then net the girl you want and net her in the right frame of mind.
Agree with just about everything said about dress. I don't ever wear shorts in BKK, day or night. Collared or t-shirt is not a big issue; as long as you are not wearing some tattered looking shirt that is two sizes to big for you. Nice cotton Ts are great. Uniqlo here stocks some very nice supima cotton ones for 290 Baht. A nice black t is great. Also avoid "dad jeans. " Days of baggy pre-faded jeans are over. Go out and get a pair of good selvedge denim. And yes, don't wear sandals. I'd also add don't wear your athletic shoes either. Nice pair of leather shoes or some Red Wing boots.
If you think that being fat does not matter; you are wrong. Gals like dudes that are in shape. It gets harder as we get into our 50's and 60's, but get your butt to the gym, stay trim, and eat well. It'll also increase your performance and drive. It takes effort, but no one wants to scr#w a big fat guy. Do you want to scr#w a big fat gal?
Hair color; I agree 100%. Ever notice older Asian guys with gray hair? Not very many. Why? They all color their hair. If you don't have enough to color then shave it all off.
Looking "presentable" is always good. A gal I met at her MP shop, where I always rolled up in cycling or running gear (because I can shower at the shop) visited me one night at my hotel. I was dressed from work. Slacks, collared shir. And she said "oh handsome! I think she genuinely responded to the more executive me compared with the casualoutdoors me.
Clean, respectable and more or less put together always helps.
Status is sexy to Thai girls. More than you being fit and not fat, which is also more important to Thai girls than they openly let on. Nice shorts, t-shirts and sandals are ok. But, imo, men of a certain maturity, let's say appearing over 45 or so, are better served by wearing long pants and real shoes, thin and very casual pants and sneakers ok, on an evening out on the hunt in Bangkok.
In the mind of a Thai girl, the guy wearing long pants and real shoes is the manager, supervisor, owner, teacher, doctor and so on. The guy wearing shorts and sandals is his underling. And older men wearing too casual or sloppy beach wear going in and out of go-go bars, restaurants and nightclubs in one of the biggest, most international cities on the planet just looks, well, unknowing and disrespectful. I think Thais see it that way too.
Of course, I don't mean to suffer during Hot Season. Any time it is really hot at night, if you're going to start sweating like a pig within minutes of stepping outside because you are wearing long pants and real shoes, do the logical thing and wear shorts and sandals.
Etaoin2003
12-18-18, 16:33
A nylon golf shirt and nylon hiking pants will be cooler at night than cotton. Weighs less, packs better, doesn't wrinkle, easy to wash in the sink and dry overnight. Some hiking pants include concealed / zippered pockets for passport, extra cash, etc. Black helps conceal a few extra pounds. Black can help you lose a whole lot of weight by getting hit from behind by a taxi, so take care.
Looking "presentable" is always good. A gal I met at her MP shop, where I always rolled up in cycling or running gear (because I can shower at the shop) visited me one night at my hotel. I was dressed from work. Slacks, collared shir. And she said "oh handsome! I think she genuinely responded to the more executive me compared with the casualoutdoors me.
Clean, respectable and more or less put together always helps.Yes, that happens a lot. Girls see me in my 650 baht pants from AIIZ instead of my 350 baht shorts and suddenly I am "oh, so handsome!" LOL. So it is merely an image that appeals more to them and not a matter of my looking like a big spender. If I toss on a long sleeve (rolled up my arm) shirt instead of a t-shirt on a Friday or Saturday night I magically turn into "a Super Star". They aren't making fun of me. LOL. It just matters how you dress. And I don't mean you will make an even better impression if you wear a business suit into a go-go bar. That would be going too far imo.
I think on warm nights wearing good quality sandals with long pants is fine. Not cheap flip flops. In fact, many Thai girls have said they really like that look on a man. It seems to convey a nice combination of a relaxed, easy going nature while also being mindful and respectful of where you are and what is appropriate for your status in terms of age, ethinicity and position.
A nylon golf shirt and nylon hiking pants will be cooler at night than cotton. Weighs less, packs better, doesn't wrinkle, easy to wash in the sink and dry overnight. Some hiking pants include concealed / zippered pockets for passport, extra cash, etc. Black helps conceal a few extra pounds. Black can help you lose a whole lot of weight by getting hit from behind by a taxi, so take care.I highly recommend the Columbia Line of fishing shirts and convertible pants. Lightweight, wash well, quick drying, plenty of pockets, zip off legs on the pants and look casual class-eh, wot wot old boy. I buy the long sleeve shirts. I brought 4 pair of pants and 5 shirts with me, total cost was about $200 US and you can roll them up into stuff sacks which for me is vital since I am staying 6-7 months here with just a carry on (36 liter pack).
A nice black t is great. It can be great but it's also very hot in the sun because it does not reflect the heat. Therefore I'm always wearing light colored shirts in the daytime.
Nice cotton Ts are great. A nice black t is great. Go out and get a pair of good selvedge denim. Nice pair of leather shoes or some Red Wing boots.Is it coincidence that this is the same attire chosen by the gay Thai gigolos?
Is it coincidence that this is the same attire chosen by the gay Thai gigolos?I really doubt gay Thai gigolos are wearing good Japanese selvedge denim. Seems those light in the loafers in Thailand prefer those tight peg-legged jeans. And Red Wings? Doubt that as well.
A nylon golf shirt and nylon hiking pants will be cooler at night than cotton. Weighs less, packs better, doesn't wrinkle, easy to wash in the sink and dry overnight. Some hiking pants include concealed / zippered pockets for passport, extra cash, etc. Black helps conceal a few extra pounds. Black can help you lose a whole lot of weight by getting hit from behind by a taxi, so take care.Pegs you as a tourist right off the bat.
Warsteiner
12-19-18, 19:22
If you were in your 50's or 60s and wanted to dress well when you went to the bars, what would you wear? I would want to not look out of place or dressed too fancy. I always wore shorts, no pattern t-shirts and sandals. How would I be more attractive with what I wear? I am already slim and in shape, but have a lot of gray and white hair.
Thanks.A few points as lots of other people have chipped in here:
1 - Don't worry about looking out of place, you are on holiday and looking to have some fun so don't spend any time worrying about what other people think of you. If you try to 'fit in' or look a certain way then that is what you will look like - someone who is trying to 'fit in'. There are Western people in Thailand from Oz, Europe and the US and each place has their own style of clothing that they wear so you aren't going to look out of place regardless of what you wear.
2 - Hygene is the main thing to worry about when going to the bars. Thailand is a hot country and unless you come from somewhere with a similar climate you will get very hot and sweaty very easily. Make sure you have a shower before you go to the bars at night and take a taxi or MRT / SRT to the bars if your hotel is far away as these are all air conditioned. There are lots of people who don't pay attention to hygene and you can tell they have been out most of the day and haven't showered since earlier that morning so purely by putting a bit of effort in you will increase your chances of a girl liking you. The last thing any girl wants is a sweaty man lying on top of her.
3 - For clothes linen is the best thing to have. I went to Thailand for the first time a couple of months ago and was unsure of what to wear as I was doing some sightseeing as well as mongering and came across the following website - https://www.kohsamuisunset.com/what-to-wear-in-thailand/ It has some great information and I ended up getting 6 cheap linen shirts and a couple of pairs of linen pants and didn't wear anything else. I would use one shirt during the day when sightseeing and another at night for going to the bars and then wash them. I was probably the only tourist in BKK wearing a shirt during the day but it kept me cool and it covered my arms so I had protection against the sun and mosquitoes.
4 - Be nice to the girls. You would be surprised how many assholes there are around that think women who work in these bars are just hookers and somehow sub-human so can be treated like shit. Take a bit of extra time with the girl and if necessary buy her an extra lady drink. This will put you in a good position with the girl as well as the mamasan and will give you a chance to talk a bit more with the girl and get better service.
5 - Most importantly of all - enjoy yourself. BKK can be a bit overwhelming and can take time to get used to. When I was researching Thailand I read that a lot of holiday makers (not mongerers) would just fly into BKK and then fly straight out to another city or island and when I first arrived I could understand this. It is very busy, very hot, very loud and can also be very humid depending on when you go. Just take it easy and don't try and rush to cross everything off your wish-list in one go. If you like the place you can always return in the future.
PedroMorales
12-19-18, 20:08
4 - Be nice to the girls. You would be surprised how many assholes there are around that think women who work in these bars are just hookers.Indeed. Some do think they are hookers.
Keep most of your money locked up and be careful where you flash bigger notes. Some places frown on scruffy clothes. I like to dress blend in. Getting a jeepney in Angeles, we passed this 60+ Ossie I knew. He was wearing only shorts, no top and showing his fine physique (for his age). Everyone on the jeepney laughed at him. The better you dress, the more the hired help will want. But don't ever think it as they are just hookers when all is said and done.
How you dress is also a function of how much you want to party: to hook up early or go drinking all night.
A few points as lots of other people have chipped in here:
3 - For clothes linen is the best thing to have.I find linen to be too heavy for a warm, humid climate. Moisture wicking polos, t-shirts, and shorts really help keep you dry. Adidas and Reebok do a great job with their moisture wicking products. I wear long pants at night.
I find linen to be too heavy for a warm, humid climate. Moisture wicking polos, t-shirts, and shorts really help keep you dry. Adidas and Reebok do a great job with their moisture wicking products. I wear long pants at night.Agreed. Linen is great when the sun has gone down and you're beachside with a breeze.
Uniqlo also has a good line of moisture wicking clothing, and finally sizes that fit tall (but fit) farang.
A few points as lots of other people have chipped in here:
1 - Don't worry about looking out of place, you are on holiday and looking to have some fun so don't spend any time worrying about what other people think of you. If you try to 'fit in' or look a certain way then that is what you will look like - someone who is trying to 'fit in'. There are Western people in Thailand from Oz, Europe and the US and each place has their own style of clothing that they wear so you aren't going to look out of place regardless of what you wear.
2 - Hygene is the main thing to worry about when going to the bars. Thailand is a hot country and unless you come from somewhere with a similar climate you will get very hot and sweaty very easily. Make sure you have a shower before you go to the bars at night and take a taxi or MRT / SRT to the bars if your hotel is far away as these are all air conditioned. There are lots of people who don't pay attention to hygene and you can tell they have been out most of the day and haven't showered since earlier that morning so purely by putting a bit of effort in you will increase your chances of a girl liking you. The last thing any girl wants is a sweaty man lying on top of her.
3 - For clothes linen is the best thing to have. I went to Thailand for the first time a couple of months ago and was unsure of what to wear as I was doing some sightseeing as well as mongering and came across the following website - https://www.kohsamuisunset.com/what-to-wear-in-thailand/ It has some great information and I ended up getting 6 cheap linen shirts and a couple of pairs of linen pants and didn't wear anything else. I would use one shirt during the day when sightseeing and another at night for going to the bars and then wash them. I was probably the only tourist in BKK wearing a shirt during the day but it kept me cool and it covered my arms so I had protection against the sun and mosquitoes.
4 - Be nice to the girls. You would be surprised how many assholes there are around that think women who work in these bars are just hookers and somehow sub-human so can be treated like shit. Take a bit of extra time with the girl and if necessary buy her an extra lady drink. This will put you in a good position with the girl as well as the mamasan and will give you a chance to talk a bit more with the girl and get better service.
5 - Most importantly of all - enjoy yourself. BKK can be a bit overwhelming and can take time to get used to. When I was researching Thailand I read that a lot of holiday makers (not mongerers) would just fly into BKK and then fly straight out to another city or island and when I first arrived I could understand this. It is very busy, very hot, very loud and can also be very humid depending on when you go. Just take it easy and don't try and rush to cross everything off your wish-list in one go. If you like the place you can always return in the future.Complete bullshit. Err I mean a pointless topic. Find yourself some nice looking swim shorts with good pockets that seal up with a zipper or velcro. Swim shorts are meant to dry out quickly. Also cut out those mesh inner shorts to let your boys dangle, how else are the girls going to give you a HJ while they are lapdancing on your dick for their $4 drink? As to shirts, buy those god awful looking bright orange short sleeve button up shirts with photo's of the beers of the world all over the shirt. As to the guys who need to wear pants in the tropics. Sad, so sad.
Complete bullshit. Err I mean a pointless topic. Find yourself some nice looking swim shorts with good pockets that seal up with a zipper or velcro. Swim shorts are meant to dry out quickly. Also cut out those mesh inner shorts to let your boys dangle, how else are the girls going to give you a HJ while they are lapdancing on your dick for their $4 drink? As to shirts, buy those god awful looking bright orange short sleeve button up shirts with photo's of the beers of the world all over the shirt. As to the guys who need to wear pants in the tropics. Sad, so sad.LOL. Funny image. But we have all seen older dudes walking around Bangkok in that kind of garb, in and out of bars and restaurants. Usually walking out alone. Many nights you can see some walking out of Thermae alone, too, shaking their heads and muttering something like, "This place sucks! The girls only want Japanese customers!"
And rejection based on your goofy presentation is not confined to Thermae, of course. I've even seen some of the better looking girls standing in front of the Nana Hotel parking lot turn away feigning distraction when one of those older guys dressed like a 9 year old at Summer Camp approaches them. Meanwhile, those same girls can be seen staring and smiling invitingly at men of the same general age wearing, you guessed it, long pants. Just like practically all of the better educated, higher status Thai men those girls grew up admiring wear on most nights out in the tropics of Bangkok.
1 - Don't worry about looking out of place, you are on holiday and looking to have some fun so don't spend any time worrying about what other people think of you. If you try to 'fit in' or look a certain way then that is what you will look like - someone who is trying to 'fit in'. There are Western people in Thailand from Oz, Europe and the US and each place has their own style of clothing that they wear so you aren't going to look out of place regardless of what you wear.
Misguided comment. Guys really should make an effort to fit in and respect the local customs and ways, to avoid being considered foreign trash. "In Rome, do as the Romans do".
If you dress very low class, it won't help Thai girls' opinions of you.
If you don't dress properly, some venues will refuse you entry. I got refused entry to certain places for wearing sandals on occasion. It maybe that I considered shoes and socks impractical (too sticky) but did not change the thinking of others. In Pattaya, probably anything goes, but not so much Bangkok.
Engine Driver
12-24-18, 07:52
The tourist figures for Thailand are out and there's no surprise. The biggest growth is from China and India who's huge middle class is cashed up, looking to travel and hunt for foreign pussy. India is currently at number 5, with it being predicted to jump to number 2 in the next couple of years, surpassing the Koreans. I hope the bar owners and bar girls can adapt to this as this is where their revenue is going to come from in the future. Couldn't happen to a nicer group of people!!
https://www.tatnews.org/2018/08/thailand-visitor-arrivals-in-jan-jul-2018-up-11-to-22-6-million/
Misguided comment. Guys really should make an effort to fit in and respect the local customs and ways, to avoid being considered foreign trash. "In Rome, do as the Romans do".
If you dress very low class, it won't help Thai girls' opinions of you.
If you don't dress properly, some venues will refuse you entry. I got refused entry to certain places for wearing sandals on occasion. It maybe that I considered shoes and socks impractical (too sticky) but did not change the thinking of others. In Pattaya, probably anything goes, but not so much Bangkok.I'm not against wearing pants while in Thailand, I always bring along some black cotton chef pants. They are smooth like dress pants but still allow the girl to get her hand down my pants. I'll wear a nice looking short sleeve dress shirt soas her hand can't be seen down my pants by those nearby. See, I'm classy thinking of the ladies feelings and such. I do like my fuzzy bunny slippers, really makes the girls laugh while I'm fingering them. And I have to think guys who come across as 'snooty' on a review board come across as 'snooty' in spades in front of the ladies they are trying to impress. You might not get laughed at for wearing shorts but for sure the girls will be talking about 'that prick' in those pants sitting by himself.
I'm not against wearing pants while in Thailand, I always bring along some black cotton chef pants. They are smooth like dress pants but still allow the girl to get her hand down my pants. I'll wear a nice looking short sleeve dress shirt soas her hand can't be seen down my pants by those nearby. See, I'm classy thinking of the ladies feelings and such. I do like my fuzzy bunny slippers, really makes the girls laugh while I'm fingering them. And I have to think guys who come across as 'snooty' on a review board come across as 'snooty' in spades in front of the ladies they are trying to impress. You might not get laughed at for wearing shorts but for sure the girls will be talking about 'that prick' in those pants sitting by himself.I too have been watching this thread and firstly I have been waiting for it to run out of oxygen. I have been traveling to SEA for almost 20 years now and I don't get why westerners would want to overdress and get over heated. I have probably worn trousers on 10 occasions. You can dress neatly in shorts and button up shirts which allows the girls access to your genitals in a comfortable manner. I believe attitude is more important then appearance.
I have worn trousers once in a Pattaya gogo bar and left with the same quality girl but a quarter of the fun as she could only massage me on the outside of my pants.
My opinion for what's it worth.
I too have been watching this thread and firstly I have been waiting for it to run out of oxygen. I have been traveling to SEA for almost 20 years now and I don't get why westerners would want to overdress and get over heated. I have probably worn trousers on 10 occasions. You can dress neatly in shorts and button up shirts which allows the girls access to your genitals in a comfortable manner. I believe attitude is more important then appearance.
I have worn trousers once in a Pattaya gogo bar and left with the same quality girl but a quarter of the fun as she could only massage me on the outside of my pants.
My opinion for what's it worth.Well, I am sure if the original question had been something like, "What kind of clothes should I wear so some girls in a handful (pun intended) of Thailand go-go bars can and will reach in and grab my dick?", our replies would have been very different. I would have replied with something like wide, very loose and sloppy shorts cut high above your knees, button or Velcro fly instead of zipper and don't bother wearing underwear.
However, since the original questions regarding clothing were, "If you were in your 50's or (60's) and wanted to dress well when you went to the bars, what would you wear? I would (not) want to not look out of place or dressed too fancy. I always wore shorts, no pattern t-shirts and sandals. How would I be more attractive with what I wear?", our replies were tailored (again, pun intended) to fit THOSE questions instead.
Bear in mind that too that, unlike most casual beach resort areas like Pattaya, Bangkok, being the great big adult world-class international city that it is, has several discos, clubs, bars, bistros and restaurants where you can still monger for hookers but where there is a dress and shoes code. You are not allowed to just ride up on your skateboard in a swim suit and flip flops, a slingshot stuffed in your hip pocket and one of those twirly fan caps on your head and enter as is. So, if a man in his 50's or 60's who is not finding what he wants in a go-go bar on a given night decides on a whim to check out those kinds of places, he needs to be dressed for it as well as not overdressed for the go-go bar scene. That will almost invariably call for long pants, real shoes and often a collared shirt. Snooty attitude optional and not recommended.
Add to which we are replying to an array of different ethnic, cultural types and hometown mongering acceptance levels in these threads, not just the guy who is already wearing clean, higher quality shorts, button and collared shirts and decent shoes. We have to give as general a response as we can based on our general observations of what can and is being worn by a lot of guys around town in both extremes.
I have worn trousers once in a Pattaya gogo bar and left with the same quality girl but a quarter of the fun as she could only massage me on the outside of my pants.
Pattaya and Bangkok. Two different things I suspect. Not everyone is dressing specifically to have girls playing directly with their dick. Mostly I do regular girls, and we are going to go of and fuck. My dick does not really need a warm up in the bar. Even watching raunchy naked girls does not give me hard on any more, perhaps a lesbian show can. However if was thinking a lot about my dick before going to the bar, I might well wear thin material pants, with no underwear, as a means to show off a hard on underneath. However I don't need to impress my regular girls with how far down the leg the hard-on goes. They know my dick intimately already. Might be useful method to scare off the dick scared girls though. Ha ha. I never thought of that before. These days I tend to ask girls what sort of dick they like.
Some time I will survey some bargirls and see what they think, about guys in the bar so called "over" dressed, or those dressed rather too low class, and where the happy medium is. Really what the girls think might be more important than what we arrogantly think is best.
Bangkok gogo bars are not hot. Aircon. Can go there is aircon taxi. The getting overly hot argument seems to apply to open air bars.
On this topic I thought ETs comments were generally quite sensible. Dress differently for different occasion, different class of girls. However never dress like the lowest class drunken bozos (I can't think what is a suitable universal slang).
Bangkok gogo bars are not hot. Aircon. Can go there is aircon taxi. The getting overly hot argument seems to apply to open air bars.
On this topic I thought ETs comments were generally quite sensible. Dress differently for different occasion, different class of girls. However never dress like the lowest class drunken bozos (I can't think what is a suitable universal slang).I usually wear a polo shirt or golf shirt, jeans and timberland shoes. I'm not too worried abot the heat, but I really feel the cold. If I think I'm going to be in an airconditioned bar for several hours I will wear a long sleeve shirt.
As for girls playing with my dick, well I usually drink at afterschool and they are happy to just take it out of your pants anyway. I'm usually in BKK for a visa run or in transit, so only a couple of days. I don't like to pack heavy.
Banana Boi
12-27-18, 12:40
I see so many old Farang with their shirts folded so they show off half their belly, wearing shirts that they bought 10 years ago when they were 20 kg lighter and now they fit like Saran Wrap, see guys with clothes so outdated that even my Dad wouldn't wear them, seen guys with cheap 200 baht sandals, seen wife beater tank tops, seen shirts with food or blood stains on them, seen guys with short shorts on that look just a tad larger than a Speedo, etc. I always try to guess which ISG member it is when I see these guys.
Guys can say all they want about clothing but I RARELY see a guy who is dressed like he doesn't care with a TOP girl. Of course if you look like a GQ model which I highly doubt any of us do, you can dress any way you like.
I always try to guess which ISG member it is when I see these guys.
Guys can say all they want about clothing but I RARELY see a guy who is dressed like he doesn't care with a TOP girl. Of course if you look like a GQ model which I highly doubt any of us do, you can dress any way you like.Ha ha! Right on mate. Could be my sandals did not cost much more than 200 Baht even the leather ones. Maybe up to 500. Ha ha. I hate to wear sneakers (sports shoes) and socks, and reluctant to put on my black business shoes too.
Maybe I have to up the standard of my dress, to succeed in Thermae, even my shirt has a collar, and belly not showing. For the girls to succeed for me, in Thermae I would like them to undress a bit, or at least not dress so conservatively. Very hard to guess which Thermae girl will be great on the bed, and recent years did not meet any that were great on the bed, and non restrictive. Failed to get a stunning body girl as well. Some were okay.
The best girls probably did not want me. My dress could be a factor, rather casual. I think some girls even got put off that I could speak Thai fluently. Probably assumed to be a hard asshole, rather than a nice guy.
I don't know why, but I seem to do much better with almost perfect body (to my spec) girls in the gogos. Possibly these are girls looking for Farangs mostly.
I recently had to do an extensive Thread Search. The forum thread search function is not at all easy to use really, and especially hard to search for text strings that are short.
I thought I would just republish for newbies the best way to search threads for past posts based on a specific search text or two. This was first published by Nic Frenchy (so we are indebted) I believe.
1. On the top of a thread (to the right) are two tabs. One is called Thread Tools. Click on that (not on Thread Search).
2. Click on pull down option "Show Printable version".
3. Top Right click on option: "Show 1000 post (s) from this thread on one page".
4. Note the date on the top of each page (first post) and whether the order is chronological ascending or descending.
5. Use the page selector on top left to pick "1000 posts page" that seems to be around the desired date range.
6. Use Control-F to pull up a text search box, and type in exact text to be searched for possibly including spaces and punctuation markes.
7. Keep using repeat find Next or find Previous functions till get to what you are looking for. Otherwise move to another page of 1000 posts.
Using this method I see to be able to find whatever I am looking for, who posted it, and when. It does not provide the normal method for quoting one of these posts however. I use Advanced Thread Search when need to do that and quote the poster handle.
I see so many old Farang with their shirts folded so they show off half their belly, wearing shirts that they bought 10 years ago when they were 20 kg lighter and now they fit like Saran Wrap, see guys with clothes so outdated that even my Dad wouldn't wear them, seen guys with cheap 200 baht sandals, seen wife beater tank tops, seen shirts with food or blood stains on them, seen guys with short shorts on that look just a tad larger than a Speedo, etc. I always try to guess which ISG member it is when I see these guys.
Guys can say all they want about clothing but I RARELY see a guy who is dressed like he doesn't care with a TOP girl. Of course if you look like a GQ model which I highly doubt any of us do, you can dress any way you like.The picture you painted seems to be the British retiree spending his golden years in paradise. I don't try to guess who is an ISG member because it may ruin my evening thinking what they may think of me LOL. From this thread I am assuming that all the guys with Victoria Secret models on their arms dressed in Armani are the members LOL.
36 days and counting and first stop the tailors to get my 3 piece suit ready so I can impress $20 hookers.
Member #4698
12-28-18, 14:41
I already have about 6 well researched samples and have just added some Sagami 0. 02 Large size for my next trip in 2 weeks. Thanks for the advice NB.
While on a Japanese condom site I noticed that Okamoto, which is apparently Sagami's main competition in the premium condom market has a "001 0. 01 mm Zero One Large Size Condom". I grabbed some of them too. They aren't cheap though, only come in 3 packs and cost about US $12 (Yes US $4 per condom) compared to just less than US $2 for the Sagami's.
All up I have 8 samples (1 to 2 dozen of each) to try and am in for about $200 in condoms.Hey Bubba Boy, looks like you are really prepared for action. Last trip I brought along 3 dozen Sagami 0. 02 L's and a 1 dozen Lelo Hex. I paid around $1.50 US per unit for the Sagami online and around $0.75 per unit for the Hex direct from Lelo. In LOS the Sagami's retail for around 70 baht per unit.
Like I said, I prefer bareback when available and when the girl passes my visual and olfactory standards. Still, in 72 days of mongering in LOS, Yangon, CGK, Sin, Macau and HKG averaging 1. 3 girls a night I went through everything I brought and needed to go out and buy more. 555. Good thing Sagami 0. 02 L's are sold in Jakarta.
Let us know which condoms you liked best and more importantly where you found your favorite girls. Stay Thirsty.
This is the most interesting topic I have seen on here in a while. I'll have to check those out. I normally use the Trojan NaturalLamb condoms. Have you tried those? Is so, how do they compare?I have never tried the Trojan Natural Lamb product. But they sound interesting. I will give them a try.
I agree both Sagami L and Lelo Hex are great. Sagami is probably easier to get in Thailand though.
Have you tried Okamoto 001 XL? Personally, it's the best condom I've tried.No, but I have tried the Okamoto 0. 02. They were ok, but I prefer the Sagami 0. 02. I will look for the Okamoto 0. 01 XL and give them a try at some future date.
How can they call a condom XL when it is only 46 mm wide?
Even the Sagami 0. 02 L is 58 mm wide (and still uncomfortably tight).
How can they call a condom XL when it is only 46 mm wide?
Even the Sagami 0. 02 L is 58 mm wide (and still uncomfortably tight).I haven't tried those, but I did try these Aoni ones recommended by a buddy in Jakarta. I found them to be very uncomfortable and I am as small as they come. They went straight in the trash after one session.
Jimmy Boy 99
12-28-18, 18:38
Snip. While on a Japanese condom site I noticed that Okamoto, which is apparently Sagami's main competition in the premium condom market has a "001 0. 01 mm Zero One Large Size Condom". I grabbed some of them too. They aren't cheap though, only come in 3 packs and cost about US $12 (Yes US $4 per condom) compared to just less than US $2 for the Sagami's. Snip
Hey Bubba Boy, looks like you are really prepared for action. Last trip I brought along 3 dozen Sagami 0. 02 L's and a 1 dozen Lelo Hex. I paid around $1.50 US per unit for the Sagami online and around $0.75 per unit for the Hex direct from Lelo. In LOS the Sagami's retail for around 70 baht per unit.iI don't know where you ordered or got yours, but I got three 12-pack of the Sagami 0. 02 L for $35 delivered to the US through E-bay. Should be able to get same price delivered to Thailand.
I don't know where you ordered or got yours, but I got three 12-pack of the Sagami 0. 02 L for $35 delivered to the US through E-bay. Should be able to get same price delivered to Thailand.Good to see a sensible thread here.
Member #4698
12-28-18, 22:42
I don't know where you ordered or got yours, but I got three 12-pack of the Sagami 0. 02 L for $35 delivered to the US through E-bay. Should be able to get same price delivered to Thailand.I just checked my Amazon account. I bought Sagami 0.02 L 3-packs (36 units) on Amazon and I paid $47.80 total or $1. 33 per condom with free shipping. However I see Amazon no longer sells Sagami. Don't know why. I still have 7 or 8 Sagami's and a couple of Hex left over from my last trip. I guess I will just show up in BKK and restock there at my favorite pharmacy @ 840 baht for a box of 12 ($26) or check Ebay
How can they call a condom XL when it is only 46 mm wide?
Even the Sagami 0. 02 L is 58 mm wide (and still uncomfortably tight).XL is just marketing bullshit like are names Trojan, King etc. The Okamotos 003 in 7 Eleven are definitely less wide than Durex Comfort that I used to use by a significant margin. Feels like less than 52 mm standard. I found them hard to get on, until I worked out the technique to put fingers from both hands inside the condom to stretch it, and roll it down keeping the fingers stretching all the time, ending up with no bubbles. It is Japanese size, not even long enough really maybe length is 5 inches at the most when on stretched a bit. Fortunately I don't have extra broad dick, AFAIK, not that I have been doing a survey. Can't take too much notice of what GF says, as her experience maybe limited. LOL.
I tried the Sagamis as well and found them more difficult to get on than Durex Comfort (56 mm). I just don't like them because they don't stretch at all and go on wrinkly, defeating the feel of a very smooth fuck for me. So Okamotos will be tighter but a nice smooth feel for me. I don't really care that full length of dick is not covered. Seems to stay on pretty good, generally. Any condom can break though if hit by a sharp nail, or abraded by a sponge, etc.
The worst condoms I ever used were called London. Less than 52 mm I believe, very thick and strong, and difficult to get on. Used by girls in Germany a lot, but I refuse to use them since they queeze the dick too hard and leave very low feeling.
If a girl will not allow me to use Okamotos 003 or other variations these days, I will probably cancel unless she is just too hot to ignore. Even Durex Comfort is definitely inferior feel in my opinion. Obviously BBFS is better still, if risking it with very limited girls for me.
The one thing I love about Jakarta is the availability of freelancers in BATS & CJ's.
Wondering if there is any such joint in BKK / CM? Heading over to Thailand next week for my annual obligatory visit and would like to spend time with freelancers vs a pro wg.
TIA,
Chuday.
Member #4698
12-29-18, 21:01
The one thing I love about Jakarta is the availability of freelancers in BATS & CJ's. Wondering if there is any such joint in BKK / CM? Heading over to Thailand next week for my annual obligatory visit and would like to spend time with freelancers vs a pro wg.
.Sure, just head over to Spasso in the basement of the Grand Hyatt around 11 pm. If no one strikes your fancy head across the street to Mixx in the basement of the Intercontinental at around 1 am. But first RTFF. There are many reports on these two bars. I call them 5 Star Hotel FL pick up bars. You can expect good service, a better grasp of English, well dressed/well coiffed, higher priced and a older age demographic, especially with the Spasso girls compared to Go Go girls for example. Thurs, Fri & Sat nights sre best.
Thermae is another option. You could call Thermae a 3.5 star Hotel FL pick up bar. LOL, since it is in the basement of the Ruamchitt Plaza Hotel. I call Thermae a meat market. But Thermae FL's are younger and less expensive. And there are a TON of them on any given night.
So what is the difference in your mind between a FL and a pro WG? There are plenty full time FL's and part time FL's. All three types rent out their pussies for money. 5 star Hotel FL's might be considered more polished. That's all.
So what is the difference in your mind between a FL and a pro WG? There are plenty full time FL's and part time FL's. All three types rent out their pussies for money. 5 star Hotel FL's might be considered more polished. That's all.Ha ha. Retorical question? Not as if you don't know. Yes they are still hookers, and makes so little difference to us, other than we don't know for sure if freelancers will show up.
It is so simple really. A freelancer is in control of her own working days and hours, and can turn up when she needs to or wants to (perhaps within some limits), does not get a monthly salary also. Some bars may set a rule: Don't show up after 9:30PM limit. Oilies may set time spans that can be worked and make girl state in advance which days will be worked. Does not really matter if is in a bar, Soapy, Oily, Beer Garden, Thermae, street walker, disco, etc. However obviously some of those alternatives have only freelancers.
A bargirl with a monthly salary that will be fined for non-attendance is clearly not a freelancer, or is ambiguous in that may get a salary only some months of diligent work. Some girls do not get enough customers to survive as freelancers and need the monthly salary.
Freelancers can be part time hookers if they choose, or can be diligent and work every day like some girls standing on Soi 4. One of my old favourites at Crazy House, Donut (Bpaeng) used to only work weekends and not all weekends because had studies in another province during the week (most weeks). Oom, another regular of mine at Crazy House hardly ever turned up, in the recent years. These girls would not get a monthly salary, but both good looking enough to be accepted whenever turned up. I believe many bars try to minimise the level of freelancers, because the line up fluctuates so much and may not get enough decent girls on a Saturday night for example. I have heard of girls being asked to change from freelance to working properly, or otherwise to leave.
Always good idea to collect a LINE contact for freelancers, so can check if they are working.
Soapies used to have a girl category called "sideline" girls which seemed to mean something like freelancer. They may have had a different price to the base level girls.
Freelancers have to put up with a shitty boss a bit less or not at all. Some mamasans or bar managers are really horrible people hard to stand. Bargirls have the ability to refuse potential customers as well. They can state that they are not available to be fucked right now. This can have some influence on the level of respect we have for the girls. Even street walkers can completely refuse customers.
Oily and Soapy girls can refuse a customer in an extreme case but they cannot make a habit of it, generally. This may influence some girls to work in a Gogo or as freelancers.
Pin now works on Soi 4 street. She used to work at Boss massage. Has pleasant face and slim but very curvy body with implants. Skin not very white. She definitely appeals to Farangs and maybe Indians, not so much to Japanese. I asked her why the change to freelancing on the street, since she still works every day (by choice). She indicated simply that she gets more customers and makes more money. I guess not many girls on that street have the body to compete with her. ET did not like her service so I don't know if she gets lots of repeats or not, but others have been happy with the session, including me. I don't normally do street walkers that much, due to weak and rushed service and crappy bodies for the most part.
Still it comes down to being satisfied and value for money.
Crazy4Thai
12-30-18, 04:10
IMO, the best, and most frequently ISG recommended Sukhumvit area pharmacy is closing "next week". I stopped in on Saturday and he volunteered that info. I should have pinned it down to the day but was too shocked to ask. I asked if he had lost his lease and he said no, new gov't policy. So, if you are here and had planned to stock up, giddy up.
C4 T.
IMO, the best, and most frequently ISG recommended Sukhumvit area pharmacy is closing "next week". I stopped in on Saturday and he volunteered that info. I should have pinned it down to the day but was too shocked to ask. I asked if he had lost his lease and he said no, new gov't policy. So, if you are here and had planned to stock up, giddy up.
It is sounding like government crackdowns are extending to Pharmacies, so would be interesting to know if is tax avoidance, or selling medicines with no scripts, or selling patent violation generics, or exactly what is the problem. I already know this pharmacy refused to sell suspect hormones. Perhaps
C4 T.OMG,
I presume you refer to Charoen Pharmacy.
https://goo.gl/maps/uqHnZadrpS22
Are Pharmacies are getting tougher licensing requirements to be allowed to operate, or must they belong to chains paying kickbacks to the government officials, cutting out some of the larger independent operators??? Perhaps premises does not pass some new standard?
Could not find anything in the Thai news. I wonder what medicines will have sales more restricted, if any? I will try to get there before the closure if possible to ask more details, if they are willing to tell. Unfortunately can't make it before the 2nd.
Suggestions of the best alternate pharmacies might be welcome.
Engine Driver
12-30-18, 06:21
Can you get Xanax without a prescription in Thailand? It's impossible in the Philippines.
I don't forget a memorable face if liked the girl a lot but can easily forget the name or where I met the girl. Still remember my first Thai bargirls from 1991, when get the old pics out. Names are not so easy but remember the place where met. I remember (fluke) the name of my first Thai bargirl from "Midnight Upstairs" bar in Soi Cowboy was "Saow". Not a popular name these days. Paid the girl 500 Baht for all night.
So embarrassing today, when get a message on Whatsapp from a girl, and face looks nice and I know I know her. Seems to be as recently as October 2018. Cannot think where I met her. Name is Tiara (could be a clue). After about 30 minutes, suddenly realised I was not in Thailand on the original date entered to Whatsapp. In fact elsewhere in Asia, then it all came back to me including a very nice 69 with the Indo girl.
Here are pics of my first bargirl Saow (Looks a bit Southern Thai rather than Issan) and first Thermae girl name forgotten (maybe Lek) with excellent body (covered unfortunately but big expansive natural tits no sag). Both pics from 1991. I still find these two sufficiently attractive I could still do them even though Thermae girl look is a bit quirky (Issan nose a bit broad for me these days however better than most fake ones). Because of the body and passionate in bed, I repeated her several nights running back then. I won't put up pics of some of the much plainer girls I did back 15 to 20 years ago. Clearly I was less fussy back then, coming from low experience with pretty girls in the home country. I suspect this applies to many expat types whose taste in Thai girls may have changed significantly over the years. Newbie mongers to Thailand can find just about any above average Thai girls to be exciting. Now I would take top 3% only I suspect. So many girls now look very average to me.
Can you get Xanax without a prescription in Thailand? It's impossible in the Philippines.Not even sure you can get it with a prescription. Very difficult to get any CNS acting drugs in Thailand these days. In the old days you bought Captagon OTC and the pharmacy girl suggested you buy Temazepam along with it as a combo. How things have changed!
Robert Long
12-30-18, 07:19
Ha ha. Retorical question? Not as if you don't know. Yes they are still hookers, and makes so little difference to us, other than we don't know for sure if freelancers will show up.
It is so simple really. A freelancer is in control of her own working days and hours, and can turn up when she needs to or wants to (perhaps within some limits), does not get a monthly salary also. Some bars may set a rule: Don't show up after 9:30PM limit. Oilies may set time spans that can be worked and make girl state in advance which days will be worked. Does not really matter if is in a bar, Soapy, Oily, Beer Garden, Thermae, street walker, disco, etc. However obviously some of those alternatives have only freelancers.
A bargirl with a monthly salary that will be fined for non-attendance is clearly not a freelancer, or is ambiguous in that may get a salary only some months of diligent work. Some girls do not get enough customers to survive as freelancers and need the monthly salary.
Freelancers can be part time hookers if they choose, or can be diligent and work every day like some girls standing on Soi 4. One of my old favourites at Crazy House, Donut (Bpaeng) used to only work weekends and not all weekends because had studies in another province during the week (most weeks). Oom, another regular of mine at Crazy House hardly ever turned up, in the recent years. These girls would not get a monthly salary, but both good looking enough to be accepted whenever turned up. I believe many bars try to minimise the level of freelancers, because the line up fluctuates so much and may not get enough decent girls on a Saturday night for example. I have heard of girls being asked to change from freelance to working properly, or otherwise to leave.
Always good idea to collect a LINE contact for freelancers, so can check if they are working.
Soapies used to have a girl category called "sideline" girls which seemed to mean something like freelancer. They may have had a different price to the base level girls.
Freelancers have to put up with a shitty boss a bit less or not at all. Some mamasans or bar managers are really horrible people hard to stand. Bargirls have the ability to refuse potential customers as well. They can state that they are not available to be fucked right now. This can have some influence on the level of respect we have for the girls. Even street walkers can completely refuse customers.
Oily and Soapy girls can refuse a customer in an extreme case but they cannot make a habit of it, generally. This may influence some girls to work in a Gogo or as freelancers.
Pin now works on Soi 4 street. She used to work at Boss massage. Has pleasant face and slim but very curvy body with implants. Skin not very white. She definitely appeals to Farangs and maybe Indians, not so much to Japanese. I asked her why the change to freelancing on the street, since she still works every day (by choice). She indicated simply that she gets more customers and makes more money. I guess not many girls on that street have the body to compete with her. ET did not like her service so I don't know if she gets lots of repeats or not, but others have been happy with the session, including me. I don't normally do street walkers that much, due to weak and rushed service and crappy bodies for the most part.
Still it comes down to being satisfied and value for money.I had an FL come to my ABNB condo, met her on WeChat and she offered massage room service. Came at the time promised. Undressed when she arrived and gave the best service I could ever want. Talked for awhile and she said she and girls she knows have an agent that cares for them. Give's them the flexibility to not worry about the customer. She reports each location and time and he gets a %. I wonder how common that is with the FL's?
So funny because she offered 2 hour massage for 1000 and she got horney and we filled the 2 hours with everything but A+. I tipped her for the extras of course.
RL.
IMO, the best, and most frequently ISG recommended Sukhumvit area pharmacy is closing "next week". I stopped in on Saturday and he volunteered that info. I should have pinned it down to the day but was too shocked to ask. I asked if he had lost his lease and he said no, new gov't policy. So, if you are here and had planned to stock up, giddy up.
C4 T.That sucks. Charoen Pharmacy was definitely my favorite with decent prices unlike South East Pharmacy. Anyone have any recommendations?
Still no one has any versatile Pharmacy to recommend?
Still no one has any versatile Pharmacy to recommend?Away from the Sukhumvit area but you could try Chula Pharmacy on Thanon Rama IV, between Surawong and Silom (closer to Surawong). Sala Daeng BTS or Silom MRT. It's been a couple of years since I was there, tbh, but their produce was genuine (generics and branded) and inexpensive. I've found prices in South East Pharmach near Sukhumvit Soi 15 to be OK, but not used them much recently either.
Away from the Sukhumvit area but you could try Chula Pharmacy on Thanon Rama IV, between Surawong and Silom (closer to Surawong). Sala Daeng BTS or Silom MRT. It's been a couple of years since I was there, tbh, but their produce was genuine (generics and branded) and inexpensive. I've found prices in South East Pharmach near Sukhumvit Soi 15 to be OK, but not used them much recently either.Funny name "Southeast" short for Southeast Asia I guess.
That seems to be between Yong Lee restaurant and the Thermae. Haven't eaten at Yong Lee for many years now. Found the old Chinese staff to be a bit grumpy and aggressive "Hong Kong" style, and food was cheap but quality average and not very interesting. Okay For basics like "Laat Naa" which I never order. Just not in that vicinity much I guess. In 1991 girls from Thermae café or Thermae Soapy used to eat at Yong Lee a lot. In that day, Thermae was located very close to Soi 13 but moved maybe about 1994 or so. Hard to know since I was away for a time. I guess Yong Lee is still the same as 27 years ago.
Tong Kee is another Chinese Hong Kong style (AFAIK) on other side of Suk but liked them more (much bigger) and quite good roast duck.
Funny name "Southeast" short for Southeast Asia I guess.
That seems to be between Yong Lee restaurant and the Thermae. Haven't eaten at Yong Lee for many years now. Found the old Chinese staff to be a bit grumpy and aggressive "Hong Kong" style, and food was cheap but quality average and not very interesting. Okay For basics like "Laat Naa" which I never order. Just not in that vicinity much I guess. In 1991 girls from Thermae caf or Thermae Soapy used to eat at Yong Lee a lot. In that day, Thermae was located very close to Soi 13 but moved maybe about 1994 or so. Hard to know since I was away for a time. I guess Yong Lee is still the same as 27 years ago.
Tong Kee is another Chinese Hong Kong style (AFAIK) on other side of Suk but liked them more (much bigger) and quite good roast duck.I haven't eaten in Yong Lee in a long time. I am not in the area much and when I am, its usually closed. But hey its a Landmark, when it goes, the old days are over.
So what is the difference in your mind between a FL and a pro WG? There are plenty full time FL's and part time FL's. All three types rent out their pussies for money. 5 star Hotel FL's might be considered more polished. That's all.Thank you. Just the information I was seeking.
Like someone else pointed out, a pussy is a pussy. So is a wrist watch and a million other things on this planet. IMO, it's the total experience that makes one better than the other. When it comes to pro WG, their fake moans and mechanical method is a total turn off. Jakarta is my fav city because of the FL's. Hopefully BKK will trump Jakarta and then I will frequent BKK more often (easier to get to every month).
any versatile Pharmacy to recommend?Just verified the prices of Sidegra (generic Viagra) at the pharmacy inside the Foodland at Sukhumvit / Soi 5. Pack of 4 pills of 50 Mg Sidegra is 100 Baht. Pack of 4 pills of 100 Mg Sidegra is 180 Baht.
Just verified the prices of Sidegra (generic Viagra) at the pharmacy inside the Foodland at Sukhumvit / Soi 5. Pack of 4 pills of 50 Mg Sidegra is 100 Baht. Pack of 4 pills of 100 Mg Sidegra is 180 Baht.I believe 100 MG is unnecessarily high dose for many or most guys. So smaller dose tablets maybe more convenient if happen to be the right dose or even if 25 MG is you ideal dose. These are powerful pills, so better to take smaller doses especially if will take a top up after 4 hours to do the next girl.
Member #4698
01-07-19, 04:34
Good to know for back up purposes that there are other pharmacies in BKK like Chula Pharmacy selling Viagra and it's generic. But I used to buy only limited quantities from Charoen Pharmacy anyway because I disliked the fact that they did not have AC and stored their inventory at BKK temp. I never had a problem with efficacy, but still I did not like it on general principal. So, I preferred buying large quantities in air-conditioned national pharmacy chains in Jakarta and Manila. But all that is water under the bridge for me now that generic Viagra is available in the USA. I just filled a prescription for 30 100 MG generic Viagra for $45 ($1. 5 per tab). I think my cost would have been even lower if I had had the patience to wait a couple of hours for my insurance company to confirm the prescription with my doctor and give it's approval to the pharmacy. But I don't like waiting so I just paid full list price. LOL. I will find out my real cost on my next refill before I head back to BKK fully loaded.
I have a pill splitter so no problem converting 100mg into two 50 MG. I also take 2 500 mg extra strength Tylenol with my vitamin V and drink plenty of liquids to avoid headaches. I used to use 20 MG Cialis with no negative side effects, but it did not work as well for me as 50 MG Viagra does.
Amazingly Pfizer Viagra is still selling for $70 per 100 MG pill at the same pharmacy in my home town.
Amazingly Pfizer Viagra is still selling for $70 per 100 MG pill at the same pharmacy in my home town.Ha ha. Surely you mean $70 per pack? I have never seen anything close to $70 per pill. Ouch.
I agree with you re Cialias 20 MG. Not really a very noticeable effect for me. I wonder if I would have to go to a higher dose to notice anything. Anyway Sildenafil works much stronger and much faster as well.
When sex happens to occur at very short notice, I could take a fragment at start of the sex session, just before showering most likely, start with foreplay, DATY, BJ etc. And commence the sex with natural hard on. Assuming an empty stomach (no meal) the boost to the dick could start to come in at the say 25 min mark, maybe just when the dick might have been weakening. However with new girls that might be dick scared and difficult, I would be needing a boost from the start.
Hot regular girls, might not need a boost especially with BBFS, unless trying to fuck extra long duration, a precautionary boost coming in at the 25 to 30 min mark can be handy. I remember my first regular girl in Thailand in 1991. Don't think we had any Viagra then. She gave me BBFS but said she normally doesn't do it. Her reason is she claimed I needed BBFS to stay hard, and condoms were causing my dick to be not so strong. Ha ha. I suppose many guys are still saying they need BBFS or dick won't be working long enough, despite having a Viagra boost possibility, or maybe they just won't cum with the condom on.
Wanking definitely has a bad effect on my sex powers, so I try to ban all wanks from a week or two before any period of expected regular to daily sex. Would like to have given up wanking (or HJs) completely, but have not quite managed this during long periods of no fucks.
I believe 100 MG is unnecessarily high dose for many or most guys. So smaller dose tablets maybe more convenient if happen to be the right dose or even if 25 MG is you ideal dose. These are powerful pills, so better to take smaller doses especially if will take a top up after 4 hours to do the next girl.Well not for me I guess. I'm in my upper 50's but reasonably fit. When I'm in LOS take one a day (100 MG sidegra) usually late afternoon. Works great for me whenever action is needed. I was there recently for 9 days leading up to new year day so popped 900 MG total. I do down plenty of good quality scotch though and it's tried proven combination for me over the years so far. I just buy it in any of the pharmacies on main Sukhumvit. Since I'm usually visiting as a short term "millionaire " don't pay much attention to price although I do get the generic ones.
Ha ha. Surely you mean $70 per pack? I have never seen anything close to $70 per pill. Ouch.
Believe it or not, a friend of mine arrived in Bkk from the USA a few weeks ago and said $79 USD per TABLET is what the Pfizer 100 MG viagra is going for at full retail there unless you have an insurance subsidy.
He gave me 3-4 to try since he did get them subsidized by his insurance company. I had skipped a day of boner pills and sex and thought I would see how the "originals" compare to the same claimed product I buy off the street table vendors in Bkk for 600 baht per bottle of 30. Obvious copies. That is something like 63 cents in USD per 100mg tablet at today's exchange rate.
The result was I got LESS hard and felt LESS confident in maintaining what I got with the freshly bought originals than the copy stuff I buy for a tiny fraction of the cost. I gave the remaining 2-3 tablets of the original back to him.
Was it a psychological response instead of a genuine lack of response to the expensive stuff? Maybe. Frankly, I don't care. I am just glad the cheap copies I can buy for 600 baht per 30 tablets (63 cents per tablet!) work Great for me and I don't need to buy the originals.
BTW, I am certain the copies I buy off the street table vendors that claim to be original Pfizer 100 MG viagra tablets are NOT original and are copies. The color is a different shade of blue, they are a slightly different size and, oh yes, the "VGR" that is imprinted on the pill is spelled "VRG" on the copies. LOL. Regardless, they work better than the originals for me.
BTW, I am certain the copies I buy off the street table vendors that claim to be original Pfizer 100 MG viagra tablets are NOT original and are copies. The color is a different shade of blue, they are a slightly different size and, oh yes, the "VGR" that is imprinted on the pill is spelled "VRG" on the copies. LOL. Regardless, they work better than the originals for me.Ha ha. Yes anything sold as originals but a hell of a lot cheaper, really must be a copy. However why but the genuine original when a generic will do, that is not even a fake because not claiming to be original. One can never be sure that a very price paid for Viagra will mean it was the genuine thing anyway. So pointless here in Thailand. I knew a guy who insisted for me to buy expensive "real" Cialis for him, not the fake one. However I included a free pack of Apcalis. Next time he was converted to the cheap one. Presumably it worked much the same. Many years ago I was buying some cheap supposedly genuine Cialis in Pratuu Nam area, but I knew it wasn't real because it tasted more like Viagra and worked far better for me than real Cialis does, but maybe not for the expected 24 hours duration. Box did not have the right watermark but otherwise similar.
Anything bought off the street will not be genuine, even small shops not very official will be selling fakes. Boots a reputable chain probably does not sell fakes. Expensive perfumes in stalls may well be fake, watered down or whatever. Expensive brand name watches can be A grade copies, where seller got them for amount X and sells them at 10 times the price. I know someone selling "Casio" watches and possibly other brands, but merely A grade copies obtained exceptionally cheaply in bulk. Louis Vuitton comes in various grades of copies from super crap ones to good copies.
Well not for me I guess. I'm in my upper 50's but reasonably fit. When I'm in LOS take one a day (100 MG sidegra) usually late afternoon. Works great for me whenever action is needed. I was there recently for 9 days leading up to new year day so popped 900 MG total. I do down plenty of good quality scotch though and it's tried proven combination for me over the years so far. I just buy it in any of the pharmacies on main Sukhumvit. Since I'm usually visiting as a short term "millionaire " don't pay much attention to price although I do get the generic ones.I am not sure that age and fitness is that relevant to how strongly they work. Each person can find the right dose. I started with quarter of a pill when first came out, but found had to increase over time, and depending how much sex had recently. The less sex had, the less need for a boost. BBFS possible with no pill with GF. This is not a marathon fuck though, as she has had always enough orgasms in a relatively short time (extremely sensitive girl can cum in less than 2 minutes from DATY). Girls are lucky though. Many cums is possible. For me a struggle to get to first one, 2nd one rare.
Not sure the alcohol is helping your stiffness, more likely to make the dick less sensitive, and have adverse affect. However if you are a person that typically is too sensitive and cums too quick, alcohol can help last longer I believe. Alcohol is no benefit to me as I need my dick to be as sensitive as possible (difficult to cum person). For this reason, I try to quick up wanking too, as much as possible. It messes up dick sensitivity.
Try no alcohol and lower you Viagra dose, some time to see what happens.
Ha ha. Yes anything sold as originals but a hell of a lot cheaper, really must be a copy. However why but the genuine original when a generic will do, that is not even a fake because not claiming to be original.
I have sampled just about every original and generic/copy of Viagra and Cialis in and out of the presumably legitimate pharmacies of Bangkok (and from the USA) and have either felt no difference at all or felt weaker results than from what I and friends of mine buy as cheap as it gets at the street vendor tables on Sukhumvit Road. If I had felt the slightest bit better results from what I believe goes for $79 USD at full retail in the USA over what I pay roughly $0.63 USD for now at the Sukhumvit street vendors I would switch ASAP. But I actually felt less from them.
No matter what they are called, "original", "generic", "copies", "fakes", whatever, I assume there is some amount of the same active ingredient in all of the ones that work. Or there is an amazing placebo effect involved. And I am fine with that, too, if that is what it is.
Some have not worked at all for me. For the hell of it I once sampled a few tablets of Tadalifil (spelling?), Cialis' active ingredient, claiming to contain 500 MG of the stuff in it. I bought it from the same street vendor I buy other products from and it did absolutely nothing for me. But the same source product claiming to have 100MG in it worked fine. Maybe I sampled a bad batch. The cost was the same. I returned to the ones that worked.
I change up and try something new every now and then. Right now my favorite choice is the 100MG Pfizer Viagra "copies" along with a half or sometimes a whole Black Ant King tablet (at 20 baht per tablet), both of which I buy off the street vendors.
It is likely taking both of those tablets at the same time 1-2 hours before sexual activity delivers into my system no more and possibly even less active ingredient than the verifiable "original" Pfizer 100MG Viagra going for $79 USD in the USA. But, for whatever reason, the "copy" and the other tablet I take together gets it up, keeps it up and remains ready to deliver for a repeat the next day notably better and for only around 80-85 baht per dose.
I change up and try something new every now and then. Right now my favorite choice is the 100MG Pfizer Viagra "copies" along with a half or sometimes a whole Black Ant King tablet (at 20 baht per tablet), both of which I buy off the street vendors.
It is likely taking both of those tablets at the same time 1-2 hours before sexual activity delivers into my system no more and possibly even less active ingredient than the verifiable "original" Pfizer 100MG Viagra going for $79 USD in the USA. But, for whatever reason, the "copy" and the other tablet I take together gets it up, keeps it up and remains ready to deliver for a repeat the next day notably better and for only around 80-85 baht per dose.Black Ant King tablets probably contain Sildenafil (although not labelled as such, no surprise there for a 'natural' product). There have been warning announcements from the FDA and their Aussie equivalent, the TGA. The FDA have tested Black Ant King tablets and proved content of sildenafil.
Just be aware if you are adding it to another sildenafil based med that your final ingested dosage is increased by an unspecified amount.
But we're all adults here, mostly.
. Expensive brand name watches can be A grade copies, where seller got them for amount X and sells them at 10 times the price. I know someone selling "Casio" watches and possibly other brands, but merely A grade copies obtained exceptionally cheaply in bulk. Louis Vuitton comes in various grades of copies from super crap ones to good copies.I was feeling ornery when one of the Middle East Rolex guys approached me and persistently tried to sell me a Rollie, so I offered him a hundred. He went to hand me the watch and I whipped out a 100 baht bill, he snatched the watch back and said $100. So I laughed and told him 100 baht was what it was worth, and he was trying to rip me off. He cursed me. My response was to smile, pull out my phone and say OK Abdul, lets call the Police, I have a Visa, how about you?
He took off like a shot hahahahahah.
Pointy Stick
01-09-19, 07:40
I'd say he way probably paying the police tea money to peddle that shit. Can you say the same? What would you do if someone tried to break your rice bowl by causing trouble, side with the troublemaker or the money maker?
I was feeling ornery when one of the Middle East Rolex guys approached me and persistently tried to sell me a Rollie, so I offered him a hundred. He went to hand me the watch and I whipped out a 100 baht bill, he snatched the watch back and said $100. So I laughed and told him 100 baht was what it was worth, and he was trying to rip me off. He cursed me. My response was to smile, pull out my phone and say OK Abdul, lets call the Police, I have a Visa, how about you?
He took off like a shot hahahahahah.
Robert Long
01-09-19, 22:04
I was feeling ornery when one of the Middle East Rolex guys approached me and persistently tried to sell me a Rollie, so I offered him a hundred. He went to hand me the watch and I whipped out a 100 baht bill, he snatched the watch back and said $100. So I laughed and told him 100 baht was what it was worth, and he was trying to rip me off. He cursed me. My response was to smile, pull out my phone and say OK Abdul, lets call the Police, I have a Visa, how about you?
He took off like a shot hahahahahah.Hey, take it easy on these guys, just say "no but thank you". They are all from Myanmar as well as the DVD sellers and the fake ED sellers. Go to MBK, most of the sellers are also from Myanmar. They all work for some slave master that pays them little for their work. They can't get a real job because no education, but they all speak English and a few other languages. I find most of them are friendly and will have a good conversation with you if you want to know about Myanmar.
A little sugar gets you farther than vinegar.
RL.
Mr Enternational
01-09-19, 23:01
Expensive brand name watches can be A grade copies, where seller got them for amount X and sells them at 10 times the price. I know someone selling "Casio" watches and possibly other brands, but merely A grade copies obtained exceptionally cheaply in bulk. Louis Vuitton comes in various grades of copies from super crap ones to good copies.Don't know about ten times the price, but exactly. I would not buy from any random person off the street though. I have been dealing with the same reputable people for years. If something goes wrong then they will fix it. I have had this supercopy Breitling for years with no problem. Paid 3000 baht for it.
I don't know how many times someone has said nice watch. A couple of days ago a guy said that is a Breitling right? I said yes. He said do they still mail you things? I had no idea what he was talking about. I thought he meant advertisements so I said no because I have had this watch like 7 years. He said they sent him a nice fancy box with assorted gourmet honey for Christmas. Once I was next to a guy that had the exact same watch (authentic one) except his did not have the gold. He was like wow, I could not afford that one.
I remember when those people sued OJ Simpson and he had to give them his Rolex watch. They thought it was authentic but it ended up being one of those supercopies and they valued it at $100. It is very easy to tell the cheap fake ones from the supercopies and anyone that sells them will gladly show you the difference if you can't tell just by handling it.
I'd say he way probably paying the police tea money to peddle that shit. Can you say the same? What would you do if someone tried to break your rice bowl by causing trouble, side with the troublemaker or the money maker?I don't have to worry about stuff like that. My roof is bigger than his.
Oh and I usually just walk past and say no thanks, but like I said I was feeling ornery and was tired of feeling like I was in some cheap Iraki bazaar.
Crocodilexp
01-10-19, 15:18
Some have not worked at all for me. For the hell of it I once sampled a few tablets of Tadalifil (spelling?), Cialis' active ingredient, claiming to contain 500 MG of the stuff in it.If it were really 500 MG, you wouldn't be able to put your dick down for a week. Recommended dosage of Tadalafil / Cialis is 20 MG.
There is a Thai-made generic Sildenafil Citrate called Sidegra, it costs 100 baht for 4 x50 MG or 200 baht for 4 x100 MG pills. Since it's so cheap, and domestically produced, it doesn't pay to make fakes, and the product seems consistent. Since I discovered that one, I don't mess with other generic or "real" Viagra pills any longer.
If it were really 500 MG, you wouldn't be able to put your dick down for a week. Recommended dosage of Tadalafil / Cialis is 20 MG.
There is a Thai-made generic Sildenafil Citrate called Sidegra, it costs 100 baht for 4 x50 MG or 200 baht for 4 x100 MG pills. Since it's so cheap, and domestically produced, it doesn't pay to make fakes, and the product seems consistent. Since I discovered that one, I don't mess with other generic or "real" Viagra pills any longer.I have tried Sidegra but the copy Viagra I am taking now worked better for me. However, I did not try the 100 MG version so I am interested in sampling that one to see if it is worth switching to it.
I never count on the claimed dosage of active ingredient in these copies being accurate. But I do tend to assume the ones from the same source claiming to have, say, 200 MG instead of 100 MG will have more of the active ingredient in them. I agree that the claim of one having 500 MG in it had to be a joke but had no qualms about trying one or two to see if it had something closer to perhaps actual 100 MG in it. But it felt to me like it had nothing in it. No big deal.
There is a Viagra-category product on the vendor tables now claiming to have 5000 MG of the active ingredient in it! LOL. I have not tried it but I might some day.
Pointy Stick
01-11-19, 08:56
I don't have to worry about stuff like that. My roof is bigger than his.
Yeah well TIT and farangs don't count for anything except as walking ATMs so good luck with that. It would be good if you treated poorer people with respect in future.
I have tried Sidegra but the copy Viagra I am taking now worked better for me. However, I did not try the 100 MG version so I am interested in sampling that one to see if it is worth switching to it.
I never count on the claimed dosage of active ingredient in these copies being accurate. But I do tend to assume the ones from the same source claiming to have, say, 200 MG instead of 100 MG will have more of the active ingredient in them. I agree that the claim of one having 500 MG in it had to be a joke but had no qualms about trying one or two to see if it had something closer to perhaps actual 100 MG in it. But it felt to me like it had nothing in it. No big deal.
There is a Viagra-category product on the vendor tables now claiming to have 5000 MG of the active ingredient in it! LOL. I have not tried it but I might some day.Sheer madness. 100 MG is already over dose in many cases. Why try a bullshit product?
Yeah well TIT and farangs don't count for anything except as walking ATMs so good luck with that. It would be good if you treated poorer people with respect in future.I don't see an obvious Arab guy near Soi Isis as being some poor schnook who deserves respect. He is just a lowlife rip off artist.
I feel bad that you are an ATM. Perhaps you will get to know the right people in the future.
Sheer madness. 100 MG is already over dose in many cases. Why try a bullshit product?As the man on the mountain said, "Because it's there." LOL. They have been selling the claimed "5000 MG" stuff for a while and nobody has turned up dead. It is only a boner pill, not an emergency stint to prevent or subdue an approaching heart attack. I doubt there is 5000 MG of anything in it. But there might be some value in it in terms of longer lasting results. Not for a boner that doesn't subside. I mean for it remaining in your system longer for repeated intended response. I have found that is what Black Ant King does for me that none of the other boner pills, both "original" and "copies", have done. It seems to stay in my system and working to produce the results I want for at least 36 hours where others are long gone within 24 hours.
If it turns out the claimed 5000 MG pill, taken once for, as I vaguely recall, less than 100 baht, produces the same result as a 100 MG Viagra but for 48 hours instead of less than 24 hours, why not try it and find out? I didn't know Black Ant King would do for me what it does until I tried it.
Again, I don't see the boner pills sold over and over again in or out of the pharmacies to be potential poison or dangerous unless you already have a serious heart condition or some other serious ailment. Which I don't.
Pointy Stick
01-12-19, 05:17
I don't see an obvious Arab guy near Soi Isis as being some poor schnook who deserves respect. He is just a lowlife rip off artist.
I feel bad that you are an ATM. Perhaps you will get to know the right people in the future.You're right. I need to know the right people. Not people who go around threatening people who are poorer and are just trying to make a living to make themselves feel better. I guess Thailand attracts all sorts of personalities. I will find out how to work the ignore function to limit my exposure to these people.
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There is a Viagra-category product on the vendor tables now claiming to have 5000 MG of the active ingredient in it! LOL. I have not tried it but I might some day.Correction to my earlier post about that. I checked last night and the claim is 3,000 MG per tablet, not 5,000 MG. It is a product called Gold Vigra. The misspelling is apparently intended, although the word Viagra spelled correctly is also on the package. It comes in a pouch of ten tablets, each supposedly containing 3,000 MG of Sildenafil Citrate. Quoted price for the pouch of ten tablets was 300 baht. So, 30 baht for each tablet.
Here is what the U.S. FDA had to say about the product of that name in 2014:
Public Notification: Gold Vigra Contains Hidden Drug Ingredient.
https://www.fda.gov/drugs/resourcesforyou/consumers/buyingusingmedicinesafely/medicationhealthfraud/ucm401540.htm
FDA laboratory analysis confirmed that Gold Vigra contains sildenafil, the active ingredient in the FDA approved prescription drug Viagra, used to treat erectile dysfunction (ED). This undeclared ingredient may interact with nitrates found in some prescription drugs such as nitroglycerin and may lower blood pressure to dangerous levels. Men with diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, or heart disease often take nitrates. Sildenafil Citrate, the active ingredient in Viagra, seems to be the only "hidden" drug ingredient they are referencing and found in it. But the package on the vendor tables in Bangkok clearly states that it contains Sildenafil Citrate and that it is the active ingredient in Viagra. There is nothing "hidden" about it on these packages.
I am not recommending anyone take it or any other boner drug found in or out of a pharmacy. But I might give this one a try just to see if it offers something of a faster or longer lasting nature than what I have been taking lately. I will report on the results if I ever do give it a try. Assuming I survive long enough to reply, that is. LOL.
I am not taking any of the nitrates or high blood pressure, high cholesterol, etc. drugs mentioned above nor do I need to take them according to my most recent thorough medical check up just a few months ago. Well, I have seen this product on the tables for years now and have not heard or read of a bad reaction to it. Has anyone else?
Perhaps my dream of living in Thailand was just that, a dream. Taking a look at the chart makes sobering reading as the Baht continues to strengthen against the UK Pound. The graph does not lie, since 2005 the Baht has been on a relentless climb against the UK Pound. Many of you British expats will be very concerned as am I. There is no indication according to this graph of the £ gaining back any lost ground at all in the future. Oh dear.
Perhaps my dream of living in Thailand was just that, a dream. Taking a look at the chart makes sobering reading as the Baht continues to strengthen against the UK Pound.It depends on how you want to live. If you need all the bells and whistles then you may be screwed.
If not, then you may be okay. For example I rent a room on a monthly basis in Pattaya which costs on average 200 baht per day. So that is 5 Pounds daily rent in 2019. Back in 2006 it would have cost 3 Pounds. Can you afford 5 Pounds per day rent? If not then you may have to stay in London where rents are much cheaper, right?
Today I had a fuck in Pattaya for 1000 baht. Back in 2006 that would have cost 13 Pounds. Now in 2019 it costs 25 Pounds. It must be a lot cheaper for a fuck in London then if you think thai prices are too high?
Brits complaining about the weakness in the Pound are probably a contrarian indicator and the Pound may strengthen from hereon in. Or not!
Banana Boi
01-14-19, 17:45
I recently tried to explain to a gogo girl that one of the reasons guys aren't spending as much is because the Thai baht is going up against other foreign currencies. Never seen anyone more confused than she was. She told me 100 Thai baht is still worth 100 Thai baht in Thailand, Europe, and Korea. "It no go up".
Today I had a fuck in Pattaya for 1000 baht. Back in 2006 that would have cost 13 Pounds. Now in 2019 it costs 25 Pounds. It must be a lot cheaper for a fuck in London then if you think thai prices are too high?That settles it. I'm off to Leicester Square for that sub-25-pound shag.
Mr Enternational
01-15-19, 00:51
I recently tried to explain to a gogo girl that one of the reasons guys aren't spending as much is because the Thai baht is going up against other foreign currencies. Never seen anyone more confused than she was. She told me 100 Thai baht is still worth 100 Thai baht in Thailand, Europe, and Korea. "It no go up".Exactly the reason you don't drive prices up when your home currency is doing well, because when that shit falls back down the girls don't know the difference. They are going to still want the 5000 baht. And that could be double what it was when your currency was doing well.
Mr Enternational
01-15-19, 00:55
For example I rent a room on a monthly basis in Pattaya which costs on average 200 baht per day. So that is 5 Pounds daily rent in 2019. Back in 2006 it would have cost 3 Pounds. Can you afford 5 Pounds per day rent? If not then you may have to stay in London where rents are much cheaper, right?And the longer you rent it for the cheaper it is. I think the rooms at my place rent for 500 baht per day. Cheaper than that if you rent for 1 month. Even cheaper if you rent 6 months. I always do a 1 year contract so it is even cheaper. Mine averages out to 150 baht per day.
As of January 1, 2019, the U.K., USA and perhaps a couple of other Embassies will no longer issue Notarized Income Verification forms to be given to Thai Immigration when we are renewing our annual NON-IMM/Retirement visas. According to the latest I have heard or read (Stickman Weekly's January 6, 2019 column, last third of the article), those of us who rely on a monthly income stream to qualify for that visa rather than an extended 800,000 baht deposit in a Thai bank will be asked at the time of the visa renewal to produce written evidence from our Thai bank account showing a minimum of 65,000 baht per month from a Foreign Transfer (the deposits MUST come from outside of Thailand) for the previous 12 months. No clarification yet what will actually happen this time around when many people will be hit with this news for the first time when they show up to renew or have not even established a Thai bank account.
But I wanted to pass along that, on an unrelated matter about a month ago, I happened to need Bangkok Bank to provide me with a print out of all transfers to and from my account over the past 6 years. So I went to the branch nearest to my apartment (not my original account branch), filled out a form to make the request starting on such and such date and ending on such and such date, paid 500 baht and the full printout was there for me to pick up in about 3 business days. Maybe the cost for just 12 months prior rather than 6 years prior would have been less than 500 baht, no idea. Could be more or less, even free with Thai banks other than Bangkok Bank.
Anyway, you can request the printout to be in English or in Thai. The "Foreign Transfers" are clearly marked as such. I have not heard but I imagine if one month shows less than 65,000 baht in a Foreign Transfer but the next one shows a larger than 65,000 baht transfer, the immigration officer will average it out and let it pass. However, I don't imagine one could get away with dumping 780,000 baht (12 X 65,000) into an account just one month before requesting a renewal in hopes that the immigration officer will average that out for you and let it pass. Just guessing, though.
There is no indication according to this graph of the gaining back any lost ground at all in the future. Oh dear.And the brexit will make it even worse. I hate to say it but I think the GBP is doomed mate.
And the brexit will make it even worse. I hate to say it but I think the GBP is doomed mate.Euro not faring much better, if it is any consolation.
Asian currencies outperform.
Franciscass
01-15-19, 06:43
As of January 1, 2019, the U.K., USA and perhaps a couple of other Embassies will no longer issue Notarized Income Verification forms to be given to Thai Immigration when we are renewing our annual NON-IMM/Retirement visas. According to the latest I have heard or read (Stickman Weekly's January 6, 2019 column, last third of the article), those of us who rely on a monthly income stream to qualify for that visa rather than an extended 800,000 baht deposit in a Thai bank will be asked at the time of the visa renewal to produce written evidence from our Thai bank account showing a minimum of 65,000 baht per month from a Foreign Transfer (the deposits MUST come from outside of Thailand) for the previous 12 months. No clarification yet what will actually happen this time around when many people will be hit with this news for the first time when they show up to renew or have not even established a Thai bank account.
But I wanted to pass along that, on an unrelated matter about a month ago, I happened to need Bangkok Bank to provide me with a print out of all transfers to and from my account over the past 6 years. So I went to the branch nearest to my apartment (not my original account branch), filled out a form to make the request starting on such and such date and ending on such and such date, paid 500 baht and the full printout was there for me to pick up in about 3 business days. Maybe the cost for just 12 months prior rather than 6 years prior would have been less than 500 baht, no idea. Could be more or less, even free with Thai banks other than Bangkok Bank..Some of the changes need clarification.
Does it have to be regular monthly transfers or would one or two lump sums totaling 780000 starting on the first month of the year in question be OK?
Additionally there seems to be a change in the 8000000 balance in your account for a period of three months prior to application or renewal qualification. It looks like you now have to have that amount transferred each year rather than heretofore when it was sufficient to just to show you had it in your account for the prior 3 months.
What happens if all of your funds are already in Thailand?
Living here is getting more and more complicated.
As of January 1, 2019, the U.K., USA and perhaps a couple of other Embassies will no longer issue Notarized Income Verification forms to be given to Thai Immigration when we are renewing our annual NON-IMM/Retirement visas. According to the latest I have heard or read (Stickman Weekly's January 6, 2019 column, last third of the article), those of us who rely on a monthly income stream to qualify for that visa rather than an extended 800,000 baht deposit in a Thai bank will be asked at the time of the visa renewal to produce written evidence from our Thai bank account showing a minimum of 65,000 baht per month from a Foreign Transfer (the deposits MUST come from outside of Thailand) for the previous 12 months. No clarification yet what will actually happen this time around when many people will be hit with this news for the first time when they show up to renew or have not even established a Thai bank account.
But I wanted to pass along that, on an unrelated matter about a month ago, I happened to need Bangkok Bank to provide me with a print out of all transfers to and from my account over the past 6 years. So I went to the branch nearest to my apartment (not my original account branch), filled out a form to make the request starting on such and such date and ending on such and such date, paid 500 baht and the full printout was there for me to pick up in about 3 business days. Maybe the cost for just 12 months prior rather than 6 years prior would have been less than 500 baht, no idea. Could be more or less, even free with Thai banks other than Bangkok Bank.
Anyway, you can request the printout to be in English or in Thai. The "Foreign Transfers" are clearly marked as such. I have not heard but I imagine if one month shows less than 65,000 baht in a Foreign Transfer but the next one shows a larger than 65,000 baht transfer, the immigration officer will average it out and let it pass. However, I don't imagine one could get away with dumping 780,000 baht (12 X 65,000) into an account just one month before requesting a renewal in hopes that the immigration officer will average that out for you and let it pass. Just guessing, though.That is the big question. Will quarterly deposits be ok, bi-monthly, every 4 months? Hopefully we will be provided with some clarification on this.
LittleBigMan
01-15-19, 10:15
That is the big question. Will quarterly deposits be ok, bi-monthly, every 4 months? Hopefully we will be provided with some clarification on this.There was a directive issue Jan 7th, on T-a-V-sa, you should look on their forum under retirement etc. This directive was issued by the Thai immigration and translated as to exactly what is needed if you are using the " income method " for retirement and marriage it is pretty clear and self-explanatory. Basically it must be deposited into a Thai bank for USA Citizen I hadn't had time yet to check with Social Security but the US. Embassy was working with S. S. To get them authorization for IDD transfers which will allow you to have S. S. Monthly funds deposited straight into Bangkok Bank without going through the Bangkok Bank HQ in New York, Not sure if you are using one of the other Thai banks. You can't deposit quarterly.
Most S. S. Won't cover the entire 65,000 a month but from what I understand you still can still use the combination method, accounts must be solely in your name so you will need to find a way to protect the funds balance if you die?
There was a directive issue Jan 7th, on T-a-V-sa, you should look on their forum under retirement etc. This directive was issued by the Thai immigration and translated as to exactly what is needed if you are using the " income method " for retirement and marriage it is pretty clear and self-explanatory. Basically it must be deposited into a Thai bank for USA Citizen I hadn't had time yet to check with Social Security but the US. Embassy was working with S. S. To get them authorization for IDD transfers which will allow you to have S. S. Monthly funds deposited straight into Bangkok Bank without going through the Bangkok Bank HQ in New York, Not sure if you are using one of the other Thai banks. You can't deposit quarterly.
Most S. S. Won't cover the entire 65,000 a month but from what I understand you still can still use the combination method, accounts must be solely in your name so you will need to find a way to protect the funds balance if you die?Yes, but the translation said "average monthly deposit of 65,000 Baht. " So again, what about guys that get their pensions quarterly? Will quarterly deposits be ok? This needs to be clarified. It is not clear. I imagine that we will see some more on this in the fullness of time. The 800 k is much easier really.
Yes, but the translation said "average monthly deposit of 65,000 Baht. " So again, what about guys that get their pensions quarterly? Will quarterly deposits be ok? This needs to be clarified. It is not clear. I imagine that we will see some more on this in the fullness of time. The 800 k is much easier really.They do suggest that there might be some leeway given this first year until everyone gets the word in person about what they need to have:
An unconfirmed report submitted by Thaivisa member bkk6060 stated that immigration are likely to offer some leeway to foreigners with regards to submitting 12 months worth of statements for the first applications under the new requirements.
However, from 2020 applicants will need to make sure they are able to show a full 12 months worth of income coming to a Thai bank account.Here is the part that leaves me a bit uncertain:
2. Evidence of a pension. Letter of certification from a Thai bank supported by bank statements showing a pension being transferred to the pensioners bank account every month for at least 12 months. Exceptions are allowed for those who have been retired for less than one year example given.I can easily produce evidence from my Thai bank showing more than 65,000 baht per month in Foreign Transfers being made for each of the previous 12 months. But they are not all from a "pension" exactly. They are from various sources, including a pension less than 65,000 baht per month combined with rental property income, IRA withdrawals, etc. My Social Security income would be plenty to cover the amount from a single source, but I have not started collecting my Social Security payments yet.
Franciscass
01-15-19, 17:15
Additionally there seems to be a change in the 8000000 balance in your account for a period of three months prior to application or renewal qualification.I was just showing off, for the less fortunate the figure is a mere 800,000.
LittleBigMan
01-16-19, 02:03
Yes, but the translation said "average monthly deposit of 65,000 Baht. " So again, what about guys that get their pensions quarterly? Will quarterly deposits be ok? This needs to be clarified. It is not clear. I imagine that we will see some more on this in the fullness of time. The 800 k is much easier really.I got this from the official at Jomtien the other day window 8, where they do the extension. Average to them is nothing less than 65,000 baht a month knowing this as Thailand, communication, and comprehension I seriously doubt anyone can actually do the math and do the division for quarterly? Of course what Jomtien does is anyone guess at any other immigration? If you go to one of the threads on Th-iV-s- regarding the income and look for a member / moderator Ubonjoe? You ask you question you should get a good answer?
Good luck.
Franciscass
01-16-19, 03:48
It really is difficult to understand the thinking behind requirements for retirees. Surely it should be no more than can they adequately support themselves while they are here. How does it matter whether remittances are monthly quarterly or annually or if a retiree has say 10 million up here owns his or her own property why shouldn't that be adequate. Seems to me they want to make it more difficult for this demographic to live here. Why?
HorseTrader
01-16-19, 04:28
I can easily produce evidence from my Thai bank showing more than 65,000 baht per month in Foreign Transfers being made for each of the previous 12 months.I'm toying with the idea of moving to Thailand. What is the best way to arrange transfers from USA to Thai banks without getting a lousy exchange rate and/or high international exchange fees? If I use my Fidelity debit card and cash from an ATM for everything, I get the decent exchange rate per XE.com and all ATM fees are reimbursed by Fidelity (right now it is 31.9011 Baht/USD).
Banana Boi
01-16-19, 05:47
I recently read about the Amazon Visa. I haven't checked it out closely though.
Don't Americans all use Charles Schwab and their are no fees or something like that? For me it's an expensive struggle getting money to Thailand. Not even allowed to do bank to bank transfers from banks in my country to Thailand without getting my accounts locked.
I'm toying with the idea of moving to Thailand. What is the best way to arrange transfers from USA to Thai banks without getting a lousy exchange rate and/or high international exchange fees? If I use my Fidelity debit card and cash from an ATM for everything, I get the decent exchange rate per XE.com and all ATM fees are reimbursed by Fidelity (right now it is 31.9011 Baht/USD).That Fidelity card is a very good thing to have since you get reimbursed for the ATM fees. I'm not sure if you can even open a bank account in Thailand without a work permit though. I am curious though and some guys on here would know.
That Fidelity card is a very good thing to have since you get reimbursed for the ATM fees. I'm not sure if you can even open a bank account in Thailand without a work permit though. I am curious though and some guys on here would know.Hi Smoothy. There is a bank on Soi 33 on the right side of the road who will open a Thai bank account without a work permit and only require minimal supporting documentation. I have emailed a friend who knows the name of the bank and will post when she responds.
Seems to me they want to make it more difficult for this demographic to live here. Why?Because they want our money but want to have as little to do with us as is humanly possible. Thailand.
Banana Boi
01-16-19, 07:32
I'm not sure if you can even open a bank account in Thailand without a work permit though. I am curious though and some guys on here would know.Yes you can. Just need to get your Certificate of Residency or whatever it's called from your landlord. Showing you have an extended Visa likely helps too.
It really is difficult to understand the thinking behind requirements for retirees. Surely it should be no more than can they adequately support themselves while they are here. How does it matter whether remittances are monthly quarterly or annually or if a retiree has say 10 million up here owns his or her own property why shouldn't that be adequate. Seems to me they want to make it more difficult for this demographic to live here. Why?Thais who travel to the US aren't subject to any kind of "90 day reporting," bank deposit requirements, exit requirements, and they can buy as much land as they can afford. But it only goes one way.
Not too difficult to figure out really. Most Thais fear and / or dislike Farang, and it has long been that way. They allow them in under tight controls in order to extract their wealth without allowing them to gain a permanent foothold or any kind of power.
Note that the same restrictions absolutely do not apply to Asians from China, Japan or Korea who know how to play the game.
I'm toying with the idea of moving to Thailand. What is the best way to arrange transfers from USA to Thai banks without getting a lousy exchange rate and/or high international exchange fees? If I use my Fidelity debit card and cash from an ATM for everything, I get the decent exchange rate per XE.com and all ATM fees are reimbursed by Fidelity (right now it is 31.9011 Baht/USD).Why transfer anything? Better off to keep your money in the US and withdraw it as needed. Any bank you use in Thailand will report back the US government anyway. There's no benefit unless you need to show a deposit for a visa.
Sounds like you are already fine with Fidelity. If not, get a Charles Schwab account. They refund any ATM fees at the end of the month and give the real exchange rate. That's even better than Thai banks which like to get money any way they can. For example, if you open an account at Thai Bank in Bangkok, you may be charged for taking money out of a Thai Bank ATM in Pattaya or Chiang Mai "because that's another city. ".
Sounds like you are already fine with Fidelity. If not, get a Charles Schwab account. There isn't much difference between those two. Fidelity is probably a little better, but it's much tougher to get than the Schwab account. Since he already has it, he's golden.
Some of the changes need clarification.
Does it have to be regular monthly transfers or would one or two lump sums totaling 780000 starting on the first month of the year in question be OK?
Additionally there seems to be a change in the 8000000 balance in your account for a period of three months prior to application or renewal qualification. It looks like you now have to have that amount transferred each year rather than heretofore when it was sufficient to just to show you had it in your account for the prior 3 months.
What happens if all of your funds are already in Thailand?
Living here is getting more and more complicated.The new rules released only pertain to the 65 k and there has been no change to the 800 k. I have read of no stipulation that you have to transfer 800 k annually. So just "topping up" each year should be sufficient and / or parking it in CDs will do as well.
It really is difficult to understand the thinking behind requirements for retirees. Surely it should be no more than can they adequately support themselves while they are here. How does it matter whether remittances are monthly quarterly or annually or if a retiree has say 10 million up here owns his or her own property why shouldn't that be adequate. Seems to me they want to make it more difficult for this demographic to live here. Why?The requirements for the retirement extension have not changed. It's still 800 k deposit, 65 K income, or a combination of the two. The only thing that has changed is the 65 k has to be deposited into a Thai bank account. Compared to the Malaysia my 2nd Home program, the requirements here are still quite low. There are other places that require less, Panama for instance, but many places require more. Another option is to buy a Thai Elite Card for 500 k which gives you a 5 year visa and other privileges. Marriage visa is another with 400 k, 40 k income, or a combination of the two.
Mr Enternational
01-16-19, 11:45
I'm toying with the idea of moving to Thailand. What is the best way to arrange transfers from USA to Thai banks without getting a lousy exchange rate and/or high international exchange fees? If I use my Fidelity debit card and cash from an ATM for everything, I get the decent exchange rate per XE.com and all ATM fees are reimbursed by Fidelity (right now it is 31.9011 Baht/USD).I still think the best way is with one of the ATM cards. My buddy uses Bangkok Bank since they have a branch in the USA. You have to call the one in the USA to get everything set up, then if I am not mistaken you have to complete the rest in Bangkok. These days I don't think you are able to open an account in Thailand unless you have the retiree visa or better. Back when I did mine, I did it with a tourist visa. I think I slipped through the cracks though, because other people I know that have tried it since have not been able to.
Mr Enternational
01-16-19, 11:52
For example, if you open an account at Thai Bank in Bangkok, you may be charged for taking money out of a Thai Bank ATM in Pattaya or Chiang Mai "because that's another city. ".Exact thing happened to me. I opened mine in Pattaya and when I went to Chiang Mai I was charged 50 baht each time to take money out because it was a different city. Also I would always have to go to the exact branch that I opened the account to do shit like get a new ATM card. I don't think that is any longer because last month I got the new chip card at a different branch.
So when I put my old card in the machine it was saying I had to get the chip card before December 2019. Said it was free. I had plenty of time before mine expired, but figured I would beat the rush. I went down and they charged me 200 baht for a new card. I said I thought it was free? He said yes the card is free but there is a 200 baht administration fee. Them mfs!
Exact thing happened to me. I opened mine in Pattaya and when I went to Chiang Mai I was charged 50 baht each time to take money out because it was a different city. Also I would always have to go to the exact branch that I opened the account to do shit like get a new ATM card. I don't think that is any longer because last month I got the new chip card at a different branch.
So when I put my old card in the machine it was saying I had to get the chip card before December 2019. Said it was free. I had plenty of time before mine expired, but figured I would beat the rush. I went down and they charged me 200 baht for a new card. I said I thought it was free? He said yes the card is free but there is a 200 baht administration fee. Them mfs!This is Thailand! 555.
The requirements for the retirement extension have not changed. It's still 800 k deposit, 65 K income, or a combination of the two. The only thing that has changed is the 65 k has to be deposited into a Thai bank account. Compared to the Malaysia my 2nd Home program, the requirements here are still quite low. There are other places that require lessYea, like Cambodia next door. $235 for a one year visa. That's it. No paperwork, no questions, no reporting, nothing.
If you're from America, you can get a one year visa in Vietnam as soon as you land. You pay $135 at the airport, and that's that. See you next year.
Or go the Philippines. You get a month when you arrive. Then you get an ID card and go extend every 1 to 6 months. Can do this up to 3 years, then you cross the border once and come back and repeat. Again no deposits or anything.
Amazing what people go through to stay in Thailand in my opinion, considering it is a third world country that very obviously wants to limit the ability of Farangs to stay there.
Franciscass
01-16-19, 15:08
The new rules released only pertain to the 65 k and there has been no change to the 800 k. I have read of no stipulation that you have to transfer 800 k annually. So just "topping up" each year should be sufficient and / or parking it in CDs will do as well.That's a relief as I don't have remittances from outside Thailand and rely on the 800 K in my account qualification.
Crazy4Thai
01-16-19, 16:29
Exact thing happened to me. I opened mine in Pattaya and when I went to Chiang Mai I was charged 50 baht each time to take money out because it was a different city. Also I would always have to go to the exact branch that I opened the account to do shit like get a new ATM card. I don't think that is any longer because last month I got the new chip card at a different branch.
So when I put my old card in the machine it was saying I had to get the chip card before December 2019. Said it was free. I had plenty of time before mine expired, but figured I would beat the rush. I went down and they charged me 200 baht for a new card. I said I thought it was free? He said yes the card is free but there is a 200 baht administration fee. Them mfs!Somebody got up on Mr. E! I just got the new chip card. She was all smiles and waied me when finished. No charge.
Some years back there was a farang Bangkok Bank executive available to contact through Thai Visa. To help with difficulties. When I opened my account the Thai branch mgr forced an insurance policy on me that I did not want. Said if not, I could not open. I contacted the fixer. 2 weeks later my branch calls me to please come see them. I got my money back and an apology. On future business I was VIP as apparently I was "connected". LOL. In my other 99 stories of life in Thailand I am taking it up the ass like everyone else.
Mr Enternational
01-16-19, 17:22
Somebody got up on Mr. E! I just got the new chip card. She was all smiles and waied me when finished. No charge.LOL. Well he did give me a receipt! I am with Kasikorn.
In my other 99 stories of life in Thailand I am taking it up the ass like everyone else.Not everyone. Just the poor laborers, prostitutes, and Farang.
I'm toying with the idea of moving to Thailand. What is the best way to arrange transfers from USA to Thai banks without getting a lousy exchange rate and/or high international exchange fees? If I use my Fidelity debit card and cash from an ATM for everything, I get the decent exchange rate per XE.com and all ATM fees are reimbursed by Fidelity (right now it is 31.9011 Baht/USD).I don't know if this is the "best" way. Someone else always seems to know how to make transfers for free at "their bank" or get bonus points on cards, whatever. But, as an expat living in Thailand who still has economic interests in the USA, this is how I make transfers.
I have a Bank of America account in the USA into which all of my pension, rental property checks, IRA transfers and so on are deposited. I also have a Bangkok Bank account in Thailand. I think I pay 600 baht service charge per year to keep it, although I believe that is also an insurance policy of some kind where I am entitled to 3000 baht of emergency medical/hospital coverage at virtually any hospital in Thailand or something. I have not used it yet, almost did once, but I am ok with having it on hand.
As an ACH (Automated Clearing House) system transfer from Bank of America, I have established myself as a regular transfer recipient from my Bank of America account to my Bangkok Bank account. As it happens, there is a New York Branch for Bangkok Bank. That means I am actually making a domestic USA transfer to myself at the NY Branch of Bangkok Bank but using my account number from my local Bangkok Bank. I don't have an account in the NY Branch exactly, only a Thailand account. But the transfers will begin by going to the NY Branch of Bangkok Bank with my Thailand Bangkok Bank account number attached to it.
I can make transfers as high as $1,000 USD. But I can make 20-30 or more of them in a single day if I want. The thing is each individual transfer comes with a cost (see below). There is a way to make larger individual transfers. But that involves getting an electronic card that produces a new PIN or password each time, that card needs to be renewed every year and can only be sent to a residence in the USA, blah, blah, blah. I really don't want to be bothered or to bother friends and relatives in the USA to help me deal with it every year. So I just make maximum $1000 USD transfers each time, pay for it each time and I am fine with that.
A transfer from my Bank of America account to the NY Branch of Bangkok Bank costs more the faster you want it done. If I don't mind waiting 3 business days for it (I add a 4th day in my estimate considering the time difference between USA and Thailand and that it is going from a USA Bangkok Bank to a Thailand one), then Bank of America only deducts $3 USD from my checking account for it. If I want it done "The Next Business Day", that will cost me $10 USD. If I want it done "The Same Business Day", that will cost me $30 USD. Again, if I choose the last two options I generally would not think I am going to see a transfer deposited into my Bangkok Bank account exactly the next or same day as I make it online from my computer. I will still add an additional day to my thinking due to the time difference. After I log onto my Bank of America online account, it takes me about 30 seconds to click on the right buttons and enter the amount in order to complete a transfer and send it on its way.
On the Bangkok Bank end of it, they will then take $5 USD out of the transfer at the NY Branch and 200 baht out of it when it arrives in my local Bangkok Bank account no matter what the transfer amount is or the speed with which I want it. I will get the current and prevailing rate of exchange for it when it lands in my Thailand account. Bangkok Bank automatically sends me an SMS Text notice on my mobile phone the moment that transfer arrives. ATM withdrawals are free from Bangkok Bank ATMs anywhere in Thailand I have used one (from Pattaya to Chiang Mai to Phuket).
So when I make a $1000 USD transfer from my Bank of America account to my Bangkok Bank account and, as is usually the case, I can wait 3-4 business days for it, I will wind up paying $3 USD + $5 USD + 200 baht to get it. Added up and at today's exchange rate that is roughly $14.45 USD or 1.45% in charges when I transfer the maximum $1000 USD.
Kiyakubuke
01-17-19, 05:52
Wasn't sure where to post this as it not really a report.
My friend is currently in Bangkok enjoying the sights. He messaged me today telling me how this massage girl had "fallen for him". I tried to tell him, "no, dude, that is just her job". He's like, "no, she gave me her number and wants to hang out".
Same friend was once convinced that a stripper (US) liked him because she sat with him and didn't ask for a dance.
HorseTrader
01-17-19, 07:02
So when I make a $1000 USD transfer from my Bank of America account to my Bangkok Bank account and, as is usually the case, I can wait 3-4 business days for it, I will wind up paying $3 USD + $5 USD + 200 baht to get it. Added up and at today's exchange rate that is roughly $14.45 USD or 1.45% in charges when I transfer the maximum $1000 USD.Nice report. The fees add up to something noticeable, but it isn't too painful. Not enough to nix the concept of living in Thailand.
I'm starting to think that I might become a Thai Snow Bird. Live in Thailand (Hua Hin, Phuket, Krabi, Samui) from November through April and then keep a small summer home at a northern lake in Wisconsin or Minnesota. An old Thai girlfriend of mine snapped up a USA corporate officer and he built her a beachfront house south of Hua Hin. Maybe I'll rent that place from her after her divorce and the farang gets sent packing.
Nice report. The fees add up to something noticeable, but it isn't too painful. Not enough to nix the concept of living in Thailand.Have you looked at peer to peer banking options? I do a lot of personal transfers internationally (for non mongering reasons). I use Transferwise and find that both fees are low and FX rates are much better than retail rates offered by my bricks and mortar banks. The better FX rate makes a big difference on larger amounts. Transfers to an account in a SEA country is usually 2 days.
For my last transfer of AUD800, I paid $6. 76 all up in fees.
If I wanted to transfer AUD1000 to Thailand today, I would pay $9. 69 in fees and the recipient would receive THB 22,463 tomorrow.
If I wanted to transfer USD1000 to Thailand today, I would pay USD 11.90 in fees and the recipient would receive THB 31,313 tomorrow (note the higher USD fees are specific to me because I am not in the US).
I've also found it very useful for making payments in strange circumstances (eg paying a USD invoice in the Philippines).
I'd agree that everyone's circumstances are different but for some this maybe worth investigating.
Cheers, G.
Houston Player
01-17-19, 11:09
It is a little simpler for me from Schwab than what has been detailed here so far. I make international wire transfers from my Schwab Private Client account. They don't allow me to make International transfers from my checking account but can do ATM withdrawals.
I don't know if there is a limit on how much you can transfer but I think it only depends on the amount of cash and a percentage of the other instruments in your account. I transfer $10,000 each time. The Schwab normal fee is $25 but it is waived for me. It is actually charged but then immediately credited back to my account.
I have been using Kasikorn bank but I also have a Bangkok bank account and the fees are the same. 025% of the transfer amount up to a maximum of 500 baht. So the more you transfer the better. The exchange rate is very close to the actual rate and is posted on their website.
Forgot to add it is a simple on-line form to fill out takes less than a minute. Sometimes they call to verify sometimes not. the transfer takes less than a day. I usually do a transfer at night in Bangkok while the bank is open in the USA. The money arrives in the account within 3 hours of the bank in Bangkok opening the following morning.
MakeItOrBreak
01-17-19, 18:34
I still think the best way is with one of the ATM cards. My buddy uses Bangkok Bank since they have a branch in the USA. You have to call the one in the USA to get everything set up, then if I am not mistaken you have to complete the rest in Bangkok. These days I don't think you are able to open an account in Thailand unless you have the retiree visa or better. Back when I did mine, I did it with a tourist visa. I think I slipped through the cracks though, because other people I know that have tried it since have not been able to.I opened my account when I got a condo in Thailand but it was a bit of hassle since they wanted an address etc. I got help from my girlfriend so no big jiffy but ended up with some kind of insurance. I think if you spend some time frequently in Thailand the best approach is to find a private driving school so you get temporary license. Mine got issued for 2 years and opened up domestic flying, sim-card registration, local prices at some attractions but I am quite sure it will enable you to open an bank account easier as well.
Edit, forgot to mention the license also is valid all of ASEAN and if you move normally can be converted in the other countries.
Can anyone throw some light on the sex resorts in Thailand. I would love to go there on VIP package.
StLouisMo2010
01-17-19, 22:09
I will be in Pattaya 3/30 for two weeks, am interested in fishing from the shore, any input would be appreciated. I have seen advertisements on the internet with varying impacts. Cheers.
Crocodilexp
01-18-19, 03:04
ACH making a domestic USA transfer to myself at the NY Branch of Bangkok Bank but using my account number from my local Bangkok Bank.Just a heads up, I heard Bangkok Bank is discontinuing ACH transfer service in April 2019.
Can anyone throw some light on the sex resorts in Thailand. I would love to go there on VIP package.The entire city of Pattaya is essentially one huge sex resort. What do you hope to gain with a VIP package? It is not hard to find your own ladies, and you will likely do better for yourself than letting someone find the lady (s) for you at super inflated prices.
Can anyone throw some light on the sex resorts in Thailand. I would love to go there on VIP package.For $100 US per day consultancy fee me and my buddies can accommodate you with all the pussy you could possibly want in Pattaya.
Mr Enternational
01-18-19, 05:40
I will be in Pattaya 3/30 for two weeks, am interested in fishing from the shore, any input would be appreciated. I have seen advertisements on the internet with varying impacts. Cheers.Dude that water is gross. But sometimes you can catch Thai people doing it at the end of Walking Street when it is low tide.
Dude that water is gross. But sometimes you can catch Thai people doing it at the end of Walking Street when it is low tide.I assume he is interested in fishing in cleaner waters. I have a buddy who does this every time he comes to Thailand. I never asked him for details, as I have no interest in fishing for that species. But, if you send me a PM, I can ask my buddy for details.
Just a heads up, I heard Bangkok Bank is discontinuing ACH transfer service in April 2019.Thanks for the heads up. I have not heard or seen anything from Bangkok Bank about that. But I will keep my eyes open for it.
Correction to my earlier post about that. I checked last night and the claim is 3,000 MG per tablet, not 5,000 MG. It is a product called Gold Vigra. The misspelling is apparently intended, although the word Viagra spelled correctly is also on the package. It comes in a pouch of ten tablets, each supposedly containing 3,000 MG of Sildenafil Citrate. Quoted price for the pouch of ten tablets was 300 baht. So, 30 baht for each tablet.
Here is what the U.S. FDA had to say about the product of that name in 2014:
Public Notification: Gold Vigra Contains Hidden Drug Ingredient.
https://www.fda.gov/drugs/resourcesforyou/consumers/buyingusingmedicinesafely/medicationhealthfraud/ucm401540.htm
Sildenafil Citrate, the active ingredient in Viagra, seems to be the only "hidden" drug ingredient they are referencing and found in it. But the package on the vendor tables in Bangkok clearly states that it contains Sildenafil Citrate and that it is the active ingredient in Viagra. There is nothing "hidden" about it on these packages.
I am not recommending anyone take it or any other boner drug found in or out of a pharmacy. But I might give this one a try just to see if it offers something of a faster or longer lasting nature than what I have been taking lately. I will report on the results if I ever do give it a try. Assuming I survive long enough to reply, that is. LOL.
I am not taking any of the nitrates or high blood pressure, high cholesterol, etc. drugs mentioned above nor do I need to take them according to my most recent thorough medical check up just a few months ago. Well, I have seen this product on the tables for years now and have not heard or read of a bad reaction to it. Has anyone else?I decided to give this product a try the other night. So I had my doctor and a priest on standby by phone and text, then (LOL. No, I didn't have anyone on standby).
Anyway, I got my usual Sukhumvit Road table vendor boner drug seller down to 250 baht for a pack of ten of the above tablets and took one about two hours before an expected sexual session. The test was conducted under very comfortable circumstances where I would engage in an act that very rarely fails to give me a hard on, especially when I have taken an effective boner pill; DATY of my favorite regular girlfriend. And I would be doing that at a time when there was no pressure for me to be ready to roar with a twisted blue steel hardon. Great if I did, but no big deal if I didn't. I have conducted other tests of new (to me) boner pills this way and it seems to work out fine.
The results? Nothing. I mean absolutely nothing. It was as though I had not taken any boner pill at all. There was zero stirring in my package either during or after I delivered a normal, typically wonderfully rewarding (LOL) DATY treat to my lovely GF. It was the exact same results as when I tried one of those claimed 500 MG Tadalafil tablets. Nothing.
So, what am I to conclude from this little test? Well, as with the 500 MG pills, I could have gotten a bad batch. However, to me a pattern has emerged to strongly suggest the products that are claiming MUCH greater MG dosage of active ingredient than one normally finds on the tables and in the pharmacies around Bangkok (500 MG, 3000 MG, etc.) do not contain much active ingredient at all. In the USA FDA report linked above for this particular product, they did not report finding "dangerous" amounts of Sildenafil. They only reported finding some. For all we know they only found 3 MG of it in each tablet, not 3000 MG.
Therefore, I suspect products that claim such higher dosage than the norm in a given market are instead relying on a placebo effect or psychological reaction to take over. If they tell you it is filled with over the top, never fail, can't miss levels of active ingredient intended to produce a boner, surely you WILL grow one within minutes of taking their tablet and experiencing some sexual stimulation, right? Maybe. Maybe not.
Also, for 250 baht and whatever I paid for those 500 MG Tadalafil tablets, I have now determined to my satisfaction that I am not particularly susceptible to a placebo effect or a psychological reaction to grand claims in these matters. If they don't really have the stuff in them at an effective level, my brain and dick aren't likely to imagine that they do. Good to know, I suppose.
As always, YMMV.
I don't know if this is the "best" way. Someone else always seems to know how to make transfers for free at "their bank" or get bonus points on cards, whatever. But, as an expat living in Thailand who still has economic interests in the USA, this is how I make transfers.Why go through that? Is there some reason you have to have money in a Thai bank? If it is for a visa or something I understand. Otherwise, I can't figure why any American would go through that.
When I want $1000 of my money, here's what I do:
I put my Schwab card into an ATM machine. Then I take out $1000. That's it. At most, I might have to make 2 withdrawals if the ATM has a maximum withdraw. My money gets from my US bank account to my hand in 60 seconds. The total cost to me is $0.
Why go through that? Is there some reason you have to have money in a Thai bank? If it is for a visa or something I understand. Otherwise, I can't figure why any American would go through that.
When I want $1000 of my money, here's what I do:
I put my Schwab card into an ATM machine. Then I take out $1000. That's it. At most, I might have to make 2 withdrawals if the ATM has a maximum withdraw. My money gets from my US bank account to my hand in 60 seconds. The total cost to me is $0.I live in Thailand full time on a retirement visa. Yes, at this point I am very glad to have access to a Thai bank account's printed record of me receiving at least 65,000 baht in Foreign Transfers into that account for each of the 12 previous months.
But even before that, paying rent, paying my phone bill, transferring money to help support the purchase of a condo for my Thai (ex) wife, the occasional emergency transfer for a couple of favored and deserving girlfriends, to receive money from fellow expat friends for various and sundry services, etc is as easy as sitting in bed and tapping out a few keyboard strokes in the Bangkok Bank mobile app. No walking to an ATM, no carrying wads of baht in my pocket, no waiting for my apartment manager to be in his office so I can hand him cash, stand in queue at the nearest AIS outlet to pay a bill and all the other hassles associated with relying on an old world cash system.
Meanwhile, I hardly ever have a reason to actually go into a bank anymore. I have been with BofA many years, everything goes in and out of that account without a hitch. If Schwab offers free international ATM cash withdrawals, great. But the thought of moving all the incoming and outgoing stuff from BofA to Schwab feels more painful to me than just paying the 1.45%.
I live in Thailand full time on a retirement visa. Yes, at this point I am very glad to have access to a Thai bank account's printed record of me receiving at least 65,000 baht in Foreign Transfers into that account for each of the 12 previous months.
But even before that, paying rent, paying my phone bill, transferring money to help support the purchase of a condo for my Thai (ex) wife, the occasional emergency transfer for a couple of favored and deserving girlfriends, to receive money from fellow expat friends for various and sundry services, etc is as easy as sitting in bed and tapping out a few keyboard strokes in the Bangkok Bank mobile app. No walking to an ATM, no carrying wads of baht in my pocket, no waiting for my apartment manager to be in his office so I can hand him cash, stand in queue at the nearest AIS outlet to pay a bill and all the other hassles associated with relying on an old world cash system.
Meanwhile, I hardly ever have a reason to actually go into a bank anymore. I have been with BofA many years, everything goes in and out of that account without a hitch. If Schwab offers free international ATM cash withdrawals, great. But the thought of moving all the incoming and outgoing stuff from BofA to Schwab feels more painful to me than just paying the 1.45%.I refuse to deal with the Byzantine Thai immigration system, so I chose to live in other parts of Asia. I feel your pain there. I visit Thailand rather frequently though have never wanted to trust a Thai bank with my money or go through their odious banking requirements. Funny that a Thai can open a bank account in the US online without even visiting the country, but an American in Thailand has to produce all sorts of forms and maybe even a letter from their embassy. LOL!
You're of course free to do whatever you want too. I was just trying to understand.
I don't move anything. My money is deposited right into my Schwab account. Then I either withdraw it when I need cash, or use one of the two Visa cards attached to my Schwab accounts. When it's time to pay rent, I don't even leave my room. Just have it debited right out of the account in schedule.
Thailand is weird with paying bills at the mall or 7/11 and such. I've seen friends go through it. Reminds me of the US fifty years ago. My grandmother used to go "into town" to pay her bills. In other parts of Asia it's like being back home now. You can pay online, set up automatic monthly deduction, or settle it all at your condo office. I haven't seen a paper bill or visited a utility office in five years. I barely even have to fire up the apps on my phone.
Anyway, if it works for you enjoy.
Mr Enternational
01-18-19, 13:35
When I want $1000 of my money, here's what I do:
I put my Schwab card into an ATM machine. Then I take out $1000. That's it. At most, I might have to make 2 withdrawals if the ATM has a maximum withdraw. My money gets from my US bank account to my hand in 60 seconds. The total cost to me is $0.At TMB you can take out 30,000 baht at one time. At the other banks I think the max is 20,000.
These days I do it the same way. And whatever I don't want to keep in the safe in my room, I deposit in the ATM at my Thai bank. Truth of the matter is that I really have not needed that bank since I got the Schwab account a few years ago. I used to bring over plenty of cash and change it over then deposit it into that Thai account, but that is no longer necessary.
Mr Enternational
01-18-19, 13:53
is as easy as sitting in bed and tapping out a few keyboard strokes in the Bangkok Bank mobile app.
If Schwab offers free international ATM cash withdrawals, great. But the thought of moving all the incoming and outgoing stuff from BofA to Schwab feels more painful to me than just paying the 1.45%.But it is the same thing. I pick up my phone and go to the Schwab mobile app. Click transfers. Put from which account to which account. Enter an amount. And touch transfer. Save your 1.45%!
But it is the same thing. I pick up my phone and go to the Schwab mobile app. Click transfers. Put from which account to which account. Enter an amount. And touch transfer. Save your 1.45%!So I'm supposed to keep my Schwab account filled with cash or my Schwab card loaded up to draw out cash and pay bills AND transfer at least 65,000 baht per month in Foreign Transfers to my Bangkok Bank account every month to satisfy the retirement visa requirements? Believe it or not, I can actually gain MORE than the 1.45% I am charged on those cash transfers by putting some of that cash outlay per month to use elsewhere. Or, better yet, just leaving it where it is. I think making that 65,000 baht per month (at a minimum) Foreign Transfer to satisfy the visa requirement AND paying my bills out of it along the way works out pretty good. I mean, as long as I have to do it, why not pay my bills out it too instead of mucking around with an additional withdrawal or cash transfer source?
That is the big question. Will quarterly deposits be ok, bi-monthly, every 4 months? Hopefully we will be provided with some clarification on this.A fellow expat from the USA I met a few months ago Lined me about his experience trying to renew his Non-Imm/Retirement Visa under the monthly income stream proof requirements a couple of days ago. He is about 60 and has been staying in Thailand on the retirement visa for about 10 years. He has only been getting $1,600 USD/50,000 baht (at today's exchange rate) per month from a pension but has been avoiding the 65,000 baht requirement due to the ease with which one could avoid it in the past. He said he had no other regular source of income. I don't think he qualifies for Social Security for some reason.
He says the lady Immigration officer didn't care that he received a larger than 65,000 baht Foreign Transfer last April. She wanted to see a minimum of 65,000 baht in Foreign Transfers for each and every month of the previous 12 months, not quarterly, not annually, no exceptions. This does not mean that every Immigration officer is on this same sheet of music or that it won't be modified along the way. I also can't say if there is something else going on with this fellow since I barely know him other than that we struck up a conversation about the new proof requirements and agreed to exchange info on the experience when the time came to renew. His time came a few days ago.
I followed up with, "So what will you do now?" I saw on Line that he read it within the hour but it has now been 2-3 days and he has not replied. I think he might be shell-shocked.
I followed up with, "So what will you do now?" I saw on Line that he read it within the hour but it has now been 2-3 days and he has not replied. I think he might be shell-shocked.If he is smart, the answer should be "move. " Lots of other options, several very nearby, and all easier and better in my opinion.
Pointy Stick
01-25-19, 08:47
He says the lady Immigration officer didn't care that he received a larger than 65,000 baht Foreign Transfer last April. She wanted to see a minimum of 65,000 baht in Foreign Transfers for each and every month of the previous 12 months, not quarterly, not annually, no exceptions. This does not mean that every Immigration officer is on this same sheet of music or that it won't be modified along the way. I also can't say if there is something else going on with this fellow since I barely know him other than that we struck up a conversation about the new proof requirements and agreed to exchange info on the experience when the time came to renew. His time came a few days ago.I'd say it was a good thing that the rules are being strictly applied. Its appalling how the law is so arbitrarily applied in LOS.
Banana Boi
01-25-19, 10:32
In Memorandum No. 0029.173/Wor it says for calendar year 2019 there will be leniency for foreigners requiring to provide proof of income for each month, at the immigration officer's discretion. For ET's buddy seems as though the officer did not feel he brought any added value to Thailand so decided he needed to show all his required proof.
Why doesn't your buddy just deposit 800,000 baht in a Thai bank account and be rid of all these petty issues?
but an American in Thailand has to produce all sorts of forms and maybe even a letter from their embassy. LOL
Was pretty easy to open my Thai bank account. Showed my Visa and proof of residency and was accepted immediately. Maybe there are stricter rules for Americans?
In Memorandum No. 0029.173/Wor it says for calendar year 2019 there will be leniency for foreigners requiring to provide proof of income for each month, at the immigration officer's discretion. For ET's buddy seems as though the officer did not feel he brought any added value to Thailand so decided he needed to show all his required proof.
Why doesn't your buddy just deposit 800,000 baht in a Thai bank account and be rid of all these petty issues?
Actually, if he is able to show proof of $1600 USD in Foreign Transfers into a Thai bank for each and every month of the year, that equals approximately 48,000 baht per month or 576,000 baht per year (using 30 baht per 1 USD for simplification). The requirement is either 65,000 baht per month in Foreign Transfers into a Thai bank or 800,000 baht deposited in a Thai bank or a combination of the two.
Therefore, he would only need to deposit about 224,000 baht or roughly $7500 USD to cover the shortfall in his monthly Foreign Transfers.
Franciscass
01-26-19, 01:01
Actually, if he is able to show proof of $1600 USD in Foreign Transfers into a Thai bank for each and every month of the year, that equals approximately 48,000 baht per month or 576,000 baht per year (using 30 baht per 1 USD for simplification). The requirement is either 65,000 baht per month in Foreign Transfers into a Thai bank or 800,000 baht deposited in a Thai bank or a combination of the two.
Therefore, he would only need to deposit about 224,000 baht or roughly $7500 USD to cover the shortfall in his monthly Foreign Transfers.I may be wrong but as I understand the requirement.
It is either proof of monthly transfers of 65000 or 800000 in your account for 3 months prior to renewal. I was not aware of any situation where some combination of the two was OK. Are you certain of this ET. At the best of times immigration rules can be confusing and quite often vary from office to office.
Robert Long
01-26-19, 01:24
Why go through that? Is there some reason you have to have money in a Thai bank? If it is for a visa or something I understand. Otherwise, I can't figure why any American would go through that.
When I want $1000 of my money, here's what I do:
I put my Schwab card into an ATM machine. Then I take out $1000. That's it. At most, I might have to make 2 withdrawals if the ATM has a maximum withdraw. My money gets from my US bank account to my hand in 60 seconds. The total cost to me is $0.I used my Schwab CC to withdraw money one trip to Thailand. I was shocked to see the exchange amount was lower than the money changers. Banks always are lower anyway, but I thought that because it was a Schwab card it would be a higher rate. Agreed I was refunded all bank charges for ATM withdrawals but the rate was not worth it. I called Schwab and asked them about the low exchange rate and their reply was that it depends on the bank, Schwab can't control exchange rates.
RL.
I used my Schwab CC to withdraw money one trip to Thailand. I was shocked to see the exchange amount was lower than the money changers. Banks always are lower anyway, but I thought that because it was a Schwab card it would be a higher rate.That is why I always bring my anticipated spend in cash, use money changers for exchanges, and keep ATM and credit cards as backup. Less footprints is IMO an added benefit.
SL.
Crocodilexp
01-26-19, 02:28
I used my Schwab CC to withdraw money one trip to Thailand. I was shocked to see the exchange amount was lower than the money changers. Banks always are lower anyway, but I thought that because it was a Schwab card it would be a higher rate. Agreed I was refunded all bank charges for ATM withdrawals but the rate was not worth it. I called Schwab and asked them about the low exchange rate and their reply was that it depends on the bank, Schwab can't control exchange rates.
That's correct, Schwab doesn't set the exchange rate at ATMs, they just pay up whatever the machine asks for. The issue you're talking about would affect all foreign cards.
Some Thai ATMs these days have a running scam where they allow you to choose to convert currency at bank's scam rate rather than the proper rate provided by the Visa network. The XR difference could amount to as much as $40 when doing a max 20k baht withdrawal. You can still choose the Visa or MasterCard network rate, but of course, they try to push their scam (by phrasing the question in a misleading way). No idea why they're allowed to do this.
You can search for "visa exchange rate" online to get the real ATM XR you should be getting, and compare it to what you're got. Visa XR is generally decent, today it's 31.54 compared to SuperRich 31.60, $1.20 difference on a 20k baht withdrawal. If you're getting a different rate, you were tricked into using the scam rate by the ATM.
I may be wrong but as I understand the requirement.
It is either proof of monthly transfers of 65000 or 800000 in your account for 3 months prior to renewal. I was not aware of any situation where some combination of the two was OK. Are you certain of this ET. At the best of times immigration rules can be confusing and quite often vary from office to office.That is the way I have read it on every site dealing with income requirements for a Thai retirement visa in the past unless there is a change to it since January 1 this year. You will also see it repeated a few times in this thread by others. But I can only state what I have read in English since I can not read Thai.
I think a combination of the two has been an option for years.
And, yes, the lump sum deposit portion needs to have been in the Thai bank for some months prior to your visa issue or renewal. Not certain if it is 3 though. You can't deposit it just days before and expect it to count. Although something similar might work this year when they are supposedly willing to give some leeway.
Franciscass
01-26-19, 07:55
That is the way I have read it on every site dealing with income requirements for a Thai retirement visa in the past unless there is a change to it since January 1 this year. You will also see it repeated a few times in this thread by others. But I can only state what I have read in English since I can not read Thai.
I think a combination of the two has been an option for years.
And, yes, the lump sum deposit portion needs to have been in the Thai bank for some months prior to your visa issue or renewal. Not certain if it is 3 though. You can't deposit it just days before and expect it to count. Although something similar might work this year when they are supposedly willing to give some leeway.Checked with an agency I use for some legal issues and yes you are correct ET it can be a combination.
The new rules requiring the monthly transfers from abroad to be regular and in the amount of 65000 could be difficult for some retirees but because its a combination they could borrow the difference 2 or 3 months prior to renewal to make the 800 K total and repay the loan after the visa is issued. Then repeat for each subsequent renewal. It seems there is no requirement to show this top up loan came from outside the country just a passbook and a letter from the bank confirming its existence on the day of renewal. Doesn't make sense to me but that's nothing new when it comes to Thai immigration.
That is why I always bring my anticipated spend in cash, use money changers for exchanges, and keep ATM and credit cards as backup. Less footprints is IMO an added benefit.
SL.I did that last year with a money belt. Triple folded the bills length wise to fit within the one inch belt. The Thai bank no like folded bills at all. If you take cash along, make sure that it is in pristine condition. I definitely wouldn't take any older style $100's, I'd want them all nice and fresh with not even any tiny bent corners.
The trip before that I tried using my Venture One "travel" card at a few banks and had a terrible time. The number on that particular card was "printed" on the back of the card with the first four digits above the next four, above the next four and so on. The Thai bank didn't dig that either. They wanted embossed cards that can go thru carbon paper period. Maybe that's changed by now, but I doubt it?
That's correct, Schwab doesn't set the exchange rate at ATMs, they just pay up whatever the machine asks for. The issue you're talking about would affect all foreign cards.
Some Thai ATMs these days have a running scam where they allow you to choose to convert currency at bank's scam rate rather than the proper rate provided by the Visa network. The XR difference could amount to as much as $40 when doing a max 20k baht withdrawal. You can still choose the Visa or MasterCard network rate, but of course, they try to push their scam (by phrasing the question in a misleading way). No idea why they're allowed to do this.
You can search for "visa exchange rate" online to get the real ATM XR you should be getting, and compare it to what you're got. Visa XR is generally decent, today it's 31.54 compared to SuperRich 31.60, $1.20 difference on a 20k baht withdrawal. If you're getting a different rate, you were tricked into using the scam rate by the ATM.I've used my Schwab Debit card at Thai ATMs for the past 4 years or so. I always get the Visa exchange rate (which is a very good rate) and get reimbursed for local bank fees. I also bring a few traveler checks in case of emergency. Thailand is one of the few places where it is easy to exchange traveler checks at a semi-reasonable rate. I don't think it makes sense to bring a load of cash and convert it to baht during the trip. I would worry about losing the cash. I keep some cash in the room safe knowing the room safe isn't 100% theft proof either. Why risk losing a big chunk of cash? I only withdraw smaller amounts of cash from ATMs.
Robert Long you mentioned a Schwab Credit card. Do they have a credit card that gives a poorer rate? My Schwab card is a debit card.
Pointy Stick
01-26-19, 12:33
I've used my Schwab Debit card at Thai ATMs for the past 4 years or so. I always get the Visa exchange rate (which is a very good rate) and get reimbursed for local bank fees. I also bring a few traveler checks in case of emergency. Thailand is one of the few places where it is easy to exchange traveler checks at a semi-reasonable rate. I don't think it makes sense to bring a load of cash and convert it to baht during the trip. I would worry about losing the cash. I keep some cash in the room safe knowing the room safe isn't 100% theft proof either. Why risk losing a big chunk of cash? I only withdraw smaller amounts of cash from ATMs.
Robert Long you mentioned a Schwab Credit card. Do they have a credit card that gives a poorer rate? My Schwab card is a debit card.I've always used cash. No issues at all. There could be ATM skimmers which could take you for everything. Using cash help me to keep on budget as well.
I keep some cash in the room safe knowing the room safe isn't 100% theft proof either. My last stay in BKK the room safe wasn't event screwed down. That's something to always check now. I also recently bought this nifty little gadget on amazon called addalock which can help prevent your hotel room door from being opened from the outside while you're in the room at least.
Robert Long
01-26-19, 20:32
I've always used cash. No issues at all. There could be ATM skimmers which could take you for everything. Using cash help me to keep on budget as well.I have both a Schwab CC and a Debit card. I wonder how you can choose, on an ATM, the difference between Visa ex rates and the "scam" Bank rates? Can anyone explain that?
HorseTrader
01-26-19, 23:12
I've used my Schwab Debit card at Thai ATMs for the past 4 years or so. I always get the Visa exchange rate (which is a very good rate) and get reimbursed for local bank fees.Same deal with Fidelity debit card at Thai ATMs. Exchange rate is whatever is posted at that moment on XE.com, which is much better than any place I can exchange US $100 bills for Thai baht.
LittleBigMan
01-27-19, 02:27
I have both a Schwab CC and a Debit card. I wonder how you can choose, on an ATM, the difference between Visa ex rates and the "scam" Bank rates? Can anyone explain that?Not exactly sure of your question?
I have a Charles Schwab card and a number of other cards issue from my Credit Union. I've been using the Schwab for 10 years and my Credit Union cards even longer here. For personal reason, I only keep just enough here in a Thai Bank for emergencies and to satisfy Immigration.
When it comes to ATM's use, I try to use one institution and that is Aeon, it isn't a bank but a lending institution in Pattaya there are only two locations one at Big see extra and Lotus North Pattaya. As of today they only charge 150 baht and provide the best rate regardless of what card I use. For example, if the Internation rate is 32.00 after my withdraw and I go online and check the rate given is somewhere at 31.50-60. In the past prior to my withdraw I've gone by T. T. Exchange booth which is the best in my opinion in Pattaya the rate for 50-100 bills might be 31.75-80, then I do a final pass by at the Bangkok Bank exchange booth near the food court Big see extra the rate for 50-100 USD is somewhere like 31.38.
So when you compare Cash exchanges vs. ATM withdraw out of Aeon it isn't far off it is the expense I pay for the convenience plus as you noted when I use my Schwab card fees are return end of the month. Now to your question?
When it comes to any of the Thai bank ATM depending on the type of card that is being used some cards like Schwab will not allow the Thai bank to dictate their rates to you. Your request for money will be done at the current International rate so if the rate is at 32.00 at Bank like Bangkok Bank ATM using a Schwab card might give you at best 31.50, I've found many times the ATM rate out of a Thai bank ATM will be pretty close to the rate they are giving you at one of their exchange booth for 50-100 USD bill minus the 220 baht the Thai ATM charges.
Here is how the Thai bank scam you when using their ATM like Bangkok Bank. As I noted I also use Debit cards issue by my Credit Union. Using Aeon ATM this doesn't happen only with Thai ATM's. When I put my card and request amount after it asks me whether I except the 220 charges which I push YES, the next screen will show you an entire breakdown of all the fees you will be paying you will also see the exchange rate they are providing if you accept the transaction. If the international rate is at 32.00 you will note the suggested rate will be something like 30.90 far below the International rate or a ATM like Aeon is providing. This is the scam of the Thai Bank if you are using a card that allows the Thai bank to dictate the rate.
If you are using a card like my Credit union and you get this breakdown on the screen. For a long time since I needed the money and thought I had no choice I push Yes thinking I had to but you can push NO, by doing so you are declining the suggested rate and it automatically reverts to the Internation rate which should give you more like 31.38-31.50 closes to the 32.00? By simple pushing NO, when you go back and do the math the Thai bank basically took an extra 800-900 baht for the transaction by providing you a rate far below.
I hope that helps? Good luck.
Same deal with Fidelity debit card at Thai ATMs. Exchange rate is whatever is posted at that moment on XE.com, which is much better than any place I can exchange US $100 bills for Thai baht.Yep. And then the outrageous ATM fee is refunded to you at the end of the month.
Banana Boi
01-27-19, 04:52
How do NON American expats get large sums of money to Thailand (ie. Those who do not have access to Charles Schwab and Fidelity)? I know there is Transferwire but are there better ways for large sums? I am considering buying a car.
I discovered Aeon by accident. As LBM said Aeon charges less than other ATM machines for withdrawals but IIRC they had a low withdraw limit?
I know there is Transferwire but are there better ways for large sums? I am considering buying a car.Try some of the other money transfer sites. I use Currencyfair but they don't transfer to Thailand at the moment. I'm not sure about Oanda, OzForex (or whatever they are called now), or other sites as I usually only need to transfer large sums to Australia.
When I'm in Thailand I just use an ATM since I'm only usually there for a few days and only need around 10,000 baht.
How do NON American expats get large sums of money to Thailand (ie. Those who do not have access to Charles Schwab and Fidelity)? I know there is Transferwire but are there better ways for large sums? I am considering buying a car.
I discovered Aeon by accident. As LBM said Aeon charges less than other ATM machines for withdrawals but IIRC they had a low withdraw limit?What's your definition of "better ways" and "large sums".
As the amounts become bigger the FX rate becomes more important than the fees. I've found Transferwise beats Australian bricks and mortar banks for speed and nett amount received. After you get the required account numbers etc together, I find it easy to use.
A transfer of AUD 50 k today would have the recipient receive 1,126,658. 50 THB after fees.
Robert Long
01-27-19, 07:41
Not exactly sure of your question?
I have a Charles Schwab card and a number of other cards issue from my Credit Union. I've been using the Schwab for 10 years and my Credit Union cards even longer here. For personal reason, I only keep just enough here in a Thai Bank for emergencies and to satisfy Immigration.
When it comes to ATM's use, I try to use one institution and that is Aeon, it isn't a bank but a lending institution in Pattaya there are only two locations one at Big see extra and Lotus North Pattaya. As of today they only charge 150 baht and provide the best rate regardless of what card I use. For example, if the Internation rate is 32.00 after my withdraw and I go online and check the rate given is somewhere at 31.50-60. In the past prior to my withdraw I've gone by T. T. Exchange booth which is the best in my opinion in Pattaya the rate for 50-100 bills might be 31.75-80, then I do a final pass by at the Bangkok Bank exchange booth near the food court Big see extra the rate for 50-100 USD is somewhere like 31.38.
So when you compare Cash exchanges vs. ATM withdraw out of Aeon it isn't far off it is the expense I pay for the convenience plus as you noted when I use my Schwab card fees are return end of the month. Now to your question?
When it comes to any of the Thai bank ATM depending on the type of card that is being used some cards like Schwab will not allow the Thai bank to dictate their rates to you. Your request for money will be done at the current International rate so if the rate is at 32.00 at Bank like Bangkok Bank ATM using a Schwab card might give you at best 31.50, I've found many times the ATM rate out of a Thai bank ATM will be pretty close to the rate they are giving you at one of their exchange booth for 50-100 USD bill minus the 220 baht the Thai ATM charges.
Here is how the Thai bank scam you when using their ATM like Bangkok Bank. As I noted I also use Debit cards issue by my Credit Union. Using Aeon ATM this doesn't happen only with Thai ATM's. When I put my card and request amount after it asks me whether I except the 220 charges which I push YES, the next screen will show you an entire breakdown of all the fees you will be paying you will also see the exchange rate they are providing if you accept the transaction. If the international rate is at 32.00 you will note the suggested rate will be something like 30.90 far below the International rate or a ATM like Aeon is providing. This is the scam of the Thai Bank if you are using a card that allows the Thai bank to dictate the rate.
If you are using a card like my Credit union and you get this breakdown on the screen. For a long time since I needed the money and thought I had no choice I push Yes thinking I had to but you can push NO, by doing so you are declining the suggested rate and it automatically reverts to the Internation rate which should give you more like 31.38-31.50 closes to the 32.00? By simple pushing NO, when you go back and do the math the Thai bank basically took an extra 800-900 baht for the transaction by providing you a rate far below.
I hope that helps? Good luck.That is just what I wanted to know. I bring cash but in a pinch I have debit cards and CC cards for last minute needs.
Thank you.
RL.
LittleBigMan
01-27-19, 12:11
How do NON American expats get large sums of money to Thailand (ie. Those who do not have access to Charles Schwab and Fidelity)? I know there is Transferwire but are there better ways for large sums? I am considering buying a car.
I discovered Aeon by accident. As LBM said Aeon charges less than other ATM machines for withdrawals but IIRC they had a low withdraw limit?Aeon will give you easily 20,000 baht depending on you ATM protection limit which with most are set at 500 USD. A few years back Aeon after putting in new design machine set their limit at 8000 baht for a foreign card reason from their HQ was Aeon isn't a bank for say but a lending institution. If you took your card inside a branch and ask for cash you won't get any. They decided to lower the amount since their machines were running out of Baht so often due to the large volume of foreign card withdraws. Months later they reinstated the max limit 20 notes after realizing the ATM even at 150 they were missing out on.
Last year I need to get a large sum here to Thailand while in Thailand, I went through around 10 companies or services by the time I crossed all the T and I I settle on Transferwise which many Expat like to use from England. Round things out they have the best exchange rate by the time you break it all down you still coming out ahead. Many of the other services will not do large sums unless you develop a pattern of transfer or your bank / credit union won't because they can't confirm it is really you which is understandable for security reason.
With Transferwise you need to set up an account which is really easy because I can tell you aside from here and a few emails I can't do much else. In my efforts last year I basically wanted 30,000 USD to buy another truck many companies wouldn't do such a large transfer. I didn't want to use my Charles Schwab since the majority of my money are in mutual funds and I have no plans to sell any at this time. Transferwise made a suggestion that I could do two 15,000 USD transfers if I did it on my credit union debit card ACH, which had a extra fee on top of their commission. Before everyone jump down my throat even with their low commission and ACH fee their exchange rate was far above everyone else! I contacted my Credit Union online and told them what I wanted to do that I will move 30,000 USD into my Debit card linked to my checking that it would be taken out by Transferwise HQ in USA In New York.
I took a few days more than expected since there were a number of holidays here in the end while I was waiting for the exchange rate jump to 33.42 Doing it home in the USA Was real easy on my visit in September, I got online Transferwise with my account and made another transaction of 100,000 USD. Then I went to my Credit Union and requested a wire transfer to the New York branch to their account I think it was 15.00 or 30.00 USD within a hour Transferwise sent me a email that they got the money 24 hours later it was in my Bangkok Bank account.
Houston Player
01-28-19, 04:34
Littlebigman, I must not be understanding something because why didn't you just transfer the money from your Credit Union account to your Schwab investment account. You can keep cash in your Schwab account. You must of had a reason.
LittleBigMan
01-28-19, 05:16
Littlebigman, I must not be understanding something because why didn't you just transfer the money from your Credit Union account to your Schwab investment account. You can keep cash in your Schwab account. You must of had a reason.I've been with this Credit Union for 40 years although a Credit Union it is a full service with branches all over the country. For personal reason trustee issues, my Schwab account majority of investments money is tied with me and my brother. Let's just say keeping things separate and not co-mingling assets with Charles Schwab and my Credit Union has worked so far so I'm happy with things. Plus the Credit Union majority of my money is kept in timely CD's paying me 2. 50 right now my Charles Schwab conservative investment average 12 percent right now then I have a larger account with Vanguard. In a few years if all things go as planned I will need to take a minimum withdraw from the account and transfer that money to Thailand which should be close to a 1 million baht a year before taxes and still leave the principle intact. At that time I hope my sex drive and interest return so I will hit the Go Go circle again?
Banana Boi
01-28-19, 06:02
What's your definition of "better ways" and "large sums".Cheaper. Over 1 million baht.
Cheaper. Over 1 million baht.If your not Australian, all I can suggest is download the free app plug in your numbers and currency (you don't have to complete the transaction) and compare it to your bank's retail FX rates and charges.
I know on small amounts I win because of low fees and in larger amounts I still win because of the better FX rates.
Same deal with Fidelity debit card at Thai ATMs. Exchange rate is whatever is posted at that moment on XE.com, which is much better than any place I can exchange US $100 bills for Thai baht.General consensus is that Superrich1965 and Vasu have the highest rates for currency exchange. I also use the money changers on Soi Arab as they are in the same ballpark. As of this writing the USD / THB cross is:
XE.com= 31.53.
Superrich1965 = 31.47.
Vasu = 31.43.
SL.
DrifterMan
01-28-19, 11:44
Just curious whether the ladies ever get jealous or bitchy over each other when buying LD to different ladies. Say. You buy a LD and become touchy with each other but then someone else catches your eye. You then buy her a LD and it goes on. Do they get bitchy?
Banana Boi
01-29-19, 03:27
Any jealousy is all gamesmanship. Feel free to buy drinks for whoever you feel like. Don't let any girl dictate how many drinks you need to buy her or her 'sisters'.
Personally if any of my girls got jealous of me buying drinks for a new hot girl I would stop buying drinks for my regular girl.
Just curious whether the ladies ever get jealous or bitchy over each other when buying LD to different ladies. Say. You buy a LD and become touchy with each other but then someone else catches your eye. You then buy her a LD and it goes on. Do they get bitchy?If they do, tell them to get lost. Never forget they are hookers, and you're the paying customer.
Don't do this at all. They are women. Most of them are sweet and fun. Don't forget that. You are the paying customer and can do what you want, but treating someone like she is just a piece of meat is wrong, no matter what they sell or how much money you have.
If they do, tell them to get lost. Never forget they are hookers, and you're the paying customer.
Totally agree, wego so much mote mileage (true pleasure) by treating our girls as what they are: humans trying to get by. The sweet and fun girls far outweigh the hardened streetwalkers. Treat them well, and they'll do the same.
Don't do this at all. They are women. Most of them are sweet and fun. Don't forget that. You are the paying customer and can do what you want, but treating someone like she is just a piece of meat is wrong, no matter what they sell or how much money you have.
Don't do this at all. They are women. Most of them are sweet and fun. Don't forget that. You are the paying customer and can do what you want, but treating someone like she is just a piece of meat is wrong, no matter what they sell or how much money you have.That and the woman will lose face if you drop her. It's an odd rule, but once she loses face and talks trash about you to the other girls, your experience at the bar will not be for the better.
And this is why farang punters get higher prices and less service.
Mr Enternational
01-29-19, 12:01
And this is why farang punters get higher prices and less service.You mean because of the people that would walk into McDonald's and let the cashier tell them what they are going to pay for and eat because she is a human and seems nice and fun?
Franciscass
01-29-19, 12:30
Just curious whether the ladies ever get jealous or bitchy over each other when buying LD to different ladies. Say. You buy a LD and become touchy with each other but then someone else catches your eye. You then buy her a LD and it goes on. Do they get bitchy?Some might but very few. It all depends on the girl and to an extent how you are behaving. If she generally has a tough time getting drinks or bar fines then she will feel it more but it's not jealousy at best a disappointment. It also depends how long you have spent with her and whether you made any promises or not. Personally I have never found saying bye after buying a drink an issue. Bottom line it's your night your buck.
...The sweet and fun girls far outweigh the hardened streetwalkers. Treat them well, and they'll do the same.It would have been more accurate if you wrote "hardened working girls" because the street walkers are the least hardened and the sweetest gurls, IMO.
Any jealousy is all gamesmanship. Feel free to buy drinks for whoever you feel like. Don't let any girl dictate how many drinks you need to buy her or her 'sisters'.
Personally if any of my girls got jealous of me buying drinks for a new hot girl I would stop buying drinks for my regular girl.In my experience, they get jealous easily. So, be prepared to lose the girl you are with and move on when that happens.
Once, I took a girl to another bar. The band playing there was an all-female band. One of their guitar players started making faces at me and I responded. Within a minute, the girl with me got pissed big time and took off. Never saw her again.
That and the woman will lose face if you drop her. It's an odd rule, but once she loses face and talks trash about you to the other girls, your experience at the bar will not be for the better.Who cares! There are over 1000 bars in Pattaya so why worry if the girls in one bar think you area jerk! Spend your hard earned elsewhere. Particularly if you are a once or twice a year visitor it will have little impact on your experience.
You mean because of the people that would walk into McDonald's and let the cashier tell them what they are going to pay for and eat because she is a human and seems nice and fun?Yep. For whatever reason a lot of white guys can't understand that they're paying for a service when sex gets involved. They have fantasies and delusions that something other than a financial transaction is going on. I guess this is why they put good looking women on the cable news networks and on car lots too. "Well, she was nice and sweet, so I let her talk me into a sports car even though I went there to buy a station wagon. ".
You mean because of the people that would walk into McDonald's and let the cashier tell them what they are going to pay for and eat because she is a human and seems nice and fun?I think that's not the point. The point is how you respond when the cashier asks if you want a drink along with the cheeseburger and fries you just ordered. Do you say 'no thank you' or do you say 'no b*tch, if I wanted a drink I would have ordered it'?
Just because they are selling a service doesn't mean you have to treat them like shit. Not as long as they don't treat YOU like shit anyway.
For whatever reason a lot of white guys can't understand that they're paying for a service when sex gets involved.Ya, that is only limited to white guys. Very intelligent post.
Franciscass
01-30-19, 15:24
I think that's not the point. The point is how you respond when the cashier asks if you want a drink along with the cheeseburger and fries you just ordered. Do you say 'no thank you' or do you say 'no b*tch, if I wanted a drink I would have ordered it'?
Just because they are selling a service doesn't mean you have to treat them like shit. Not as long as they don't treat YOU like shit anyway.Being respectful you would think is an easy sell unfortunately some people are beyond understanding. Trying to convert to civilized behavior is simply a waste of time.
Beijing4987
01-30-19, 18:57
Please PM me if you have tips or info on this topic.
Please PM me if you have tips or info on this topic.Air Asia has daily flights and very cheap fares.
Who cares! There are over 1000 bars in Pattaya so why worry if the girls in one bar think you area jerk! Spend your hard earned elsewhere. Particularly if you are a once or twice a year visitor it will have little impact on your experience.Well your reply is one that answers a question that was never asked. Of course there are other bars to go to. Obviously it's of little consequence if one only goes annually.
What point are you trying to make? The guy was asking about what may go down if a certain action took place. Not an opinion of "hey f it, just go to a different bar."
Isn't it obvious to go somewhere else if a negative experience occurs? LMFAO.
I think that's not the point. The point is how you respond when the cashier asks if you want a drink along with the cheeseburger and fries you just ordered. Do you say 'no thank you' or do you say 'no b*tch, if I wanted a drink I would have ordered it'?
Just because they are selling a service doesn't mean you have to treat them like shit. Not as long as they don't treat YOU like shit anyway.You've obviously been to a McDonalds on a weekend after midnight in Australia!
Pointy Stick
01-31-19, 08:37
Being respectful you would think is an easy sell unfortunately some people are beyond understanding. Trying to convert to civilized behavior is simply a waste of time.It's a very degenerate and brutal mindset to have; that just because you pay someone you can do anything you like to them. The different culture might make it hard for the girls to say no or resist but you'll never get good service. Maybe guys with this sort of attitude are looking for someone they can dominate? I'd rather walk away and take the loss than try to force another person to submit just to satisfy my sexual desires.
GolfPhotos
01-31-19, 08:57
Hi,
Can I, on a tourist visa, open a bank account in Bangkok? If yes, which bank and branch is recommended?
I had posted this query sometime back, however, never got a response. It would be great if someone can throw some light on this subject.
I will be travelling to Bangkok soon and want to open a bank account there.
Thanks.
You've obviously been to a McDonalds on a weekend after midnight in Australia!No, I've never even been to Australia ha ha.
A lot of drunk customers around that time I guess?
Banana Boi
01-31-19, 09:23
Please PM me if you have tips or info on this topic.Here's the best tip anyone can ever give you. Skip ho chi Minh if you are going for hobbying. Go to Pattaya or Jakarta.
Here's the best tip anyone can ever give you. Skip ho chi Minh if you are going for hobbying. Go to Pattaya or Jakarta.Or Angeles City, Philippines.
Mr Enternational
01-31-19, 10:51
Please PM me if you have tips or info on this topic.Go to the airport and get in the plane. What is the big dilema?
Go to the airport and get in the plane. What is the big dilema?Do you have an address for the airport? 🤔.
Franciscass
01-31-19, 15:57
The requirements for a retirement extension according to the new police order are as follows:
(1) Must have been granted a non-immigrant visa (Non-I'm).
(2) Must be 50 years of age or over.
(3) Must have evidence of having income of no less than THB 65,000 or.
(4) At least 2 months prior to filing date, and at least 3 months after being granted permission, the alien must have fund deposited in a bank in Thailand of no less than THB 800,000. The alien can withdraw the fund 3 months after being granted permission and the remaining balance must be no less than THB 400,00 or;.
(5) Must have and annual earning and fund deposited with a commercial bank in Thailand totaling of no less than THB 800,000 until the filing date. The said fund must remain in the account prior to and after the permission is granted and the alien can make a withdrawal under the same conditions as stated in (4).
Franciscass
02-01-19, 03:38
Summarizing the changes as I see it.
(1) 800 k in account for three months after extension.
(2) Minimum 400 k all year round.
Not sure what effect the changes will have when a combination of income and bank account are used.
This forum will always be my got to, but does anyone know of any other forums that have good reports and content?
Thanks in advance.
Robert Long
02-01-19, 21:38
Hi,
Can I, on a tourist visa, open a bank account in Bangkok? If yes, which bank and branch is recommended?
I had posted this query sometime back, however, never got a response. It would be great if someone can throw some light on this subject.
I will be travelling to Bangkok soon and want to open a bank account there.
Thanks.Go to the main branch of Bangkok Bank, Silom Road and they will explain everything to you. If your American you need to get a notarized letter from the US Embassy confirming that you are an American. Don't for get to make an appointment on line first. I think they charge $50.00. Lucky we are Americans. Ha.
RL.
Robert Long
02-01-19, 21:43
Summarizing the changes as I see it.
(1) 800 k in account for three months after extension.
(2) Minimum 400 k all year round.
Not sure what effect the changes will have when a combination of income and bank account are used.Please advise which location to apply for a retirement visa? I think I have read go to the airport but that seems to far, Is there an office in the city?
Thank you.
RL.
If they do, tell them to get lost. Never forget they are hookers, and you're the paying customer.Yeah, they are just low life hookers who we can insult, use, abuse, cheat and insult.
The only thing lower than a hooker is a man who is out cheating on his wife and thinks he is superior to the hookers he abuses and scorns even though the only way he could ever screw her is to pay for it. I have more respect for the girls who provide this service fairly and honestly than for many of the dudes who think these women are only worthy of abuse.
Franciscass
02-02-19, 01:20
Please advise which location to apply for a retirement visa? I think I have read go to the airport but that seems to far, Is there an office in the city?
Thank you.
RL.In Bangkok its at the government complex in ChaengWattana. Not straight forward getting there, taxi is best. Opens at 8. 30 closes at 4. And between 12 and 1 for lunch. Lots of places to eat downstairs. It has photo and photocopying facilities and bank branches to update your passbook and get letter of confirmation of balance if you are using a bank deposit to qualify. Depending on when you get there can be very slow so allow up to 4 hours to get through the process especially if you are also getting your reentry stamp. Don't forget if you are getting reentry you need to go downstairs to get a copy of your new extension stamp to go along with your application. .
Go to the main branch of Bangkok Bank, Silom Road and they will explain everything to you. If your American you need to get a notarized letter from the US Embassy confirming that you are an American. Don't for get to make an appointment on line first. I think they charge $50.00. Lucky we are Americans. Ha.
RL.The only Bank opening accounts on Tourist Visas is Krungthai (B of Ayyudaya). Bangkok Bank is a pain, costs you $50 first before they tel you know. Go to the Krungthai Branch in Emporium. Need proof of residence (TM 30 receipt), passport, etc.
Please advise which location to apply for a retirement visa? I think I have read go to the airport but that seems to far, Is there an office in the city?
Thank you.
RL.In Bangkok its at the Government Complex in Chaeng Wattana. Take the Skytrain to Mo Chit, take the North West Exit, walk up the road 200 meters and hail a moving cab, 120 B or so on the meter depending on traffic and route. Don't take the MC taxis for any amount, its a long ride.
Yeah, they are just low life hookers who we can insult, use, abuse, cheat and insult.
The only thing lower than a hooker is a man who is out cheating on his wife and thinks he is superior to the hookers he abuses and scorns even though the only way he could ever screw her is to pay for it. I have more respect for the girls who provide this service fairly and honestly than for many of the dudes who think these women are only worthy of abuse.Very well put!
It is the first time that I see (at night) all these SWs on the road (Phetchaburi?) from the Lancaster hotel to Asoke road.
They used to say that the SWs around Lumpini were all HIV+ or carrying the AIDS virus. I don't if it was true then, but if it was, it might be different nowadays.
Robert Long
02-02-19, 07:50
In Bangkok its at the government complex in ChaengWattana. Not straight forward getting there, taxi is best. Opens at 8. 30 closes at 4. And between 12 and 1 for lunch. Lots of places to eat downstairs. It has photo and photocopying facilities and bank branches to update your passbook and get letter of confirmation of balance if you are using a bank deposit to qualify. Depending on when you get there can be very slow so allow up to 4 hours to get through the process especially if you are also getting your reentry stamp. Don't forget if you are getting reentry you need to go downstairs to get a copy of your new extension stamp to go along with your application. .They do not make it easy. And thanks for the tip on Bangkok Bank. Sounds like the same rip off as the US Embassy in Indonesia. They charge $160.00 to the ladies that want a visa to the US, and they say NO. Sorry try again in 3 months. No refund.
Franciscass
02-02-19, 08:06
They do not make it easy. And thanks for the tip on Bangkok Bank. Sounds like the same rip off as the US Embassy in Indonesia. They charge $160.00 to the ladies that want a visa to the US, and they say NO. Sorry try again in 3 months. No refund.Not sure which rip off you are referring to but it's a relatively straight up service at ChaengWattana. Agreed it's a somewhat cumbersome bureaucratic rigmarole that could do with simplifying but once you submit the documentation as required visa'a and extensions are given. Incidentally re-entry prices are 1900 for single and 3800 for multiple.
Franciscass
02-02-19, 08:11
Yeah, they are just low life hookers who we can insult, use, abuse, cheat and insult.
The only thing lower than a hooker is a man who is out cheating on his wife and thinks he is superior to the hookers he abuses and scorns even though the only way he could ever screw her is to pay for it. I have more respect for the girls who provide this service fairly and honestly than for many of the dudes who think these women are only worthy of abuse.A little harsh perhaps but unfortunately it sadly represents some of our fellow members attitudes.
Franciscass
02-06-19, 11:12
One of my favorite Sinatra tunes was Angel Eyes. I don't know if anybody else has noticed but since the smog alert and consequent face masks I 'm fascinated by how beautiful Thai girl's eyes are.
Hey guys,
Just checked and found that I have nearly 30 k worth old currency left from my previous visit 2014-15. I hope I can use them without any issue.
Please advice.
NaughtyDogBKK
02-09-19, 05:23
Hey guys,
Just checked and found that I have nearly 30 k worth old currency left from my previous visit 2014-15. I hope I can use them without any issue.
Please advice.You'll be fine. Thai currency is always a mix of crisp polymer bills and papers that look like they belong in a museum being handled with cotton gloves.
One of my favorite Sinatra tunes was Angel Eyes. I don't know if anybody else has noticed but since the smog alert and consequent face masks I 'm fascinated by how beautiful Thai girl's eyes are.I have noticed that on a number of occasions in the dentists office or at my haircutters where they cover your eyes when performing dental work or washing your hair. When the cloth is removed, your eyes focus and a pair of very beautiful eyes are looking directly at you from just a few inches away but upside down.
Banana Boi
02-09-19, 10:20
Just checked and found that I have nearly 30 k worth old currency left from my previous visit 2014-15. I hope I can use them without any issue.
.I'll buy those 30 k of old notes from you for 20 k.
Hey guys,
Just checked and found that I have nearly 30 k worth old currency left from my previous visit 2014-15. I hope I can use them without any issue.
Please advice.I think there are 2 kinds of 1k banknotes in circulation now. I assume they printed new ones in a hurry to have the new king also represented. I haven't heard about any banknotes losing currency.
Crocodilexp
02-09-19, 17:09
Just checked and found that I have nearly 30 k worth old currency left from my previous visit 2014-15. I hope I can use them without any issue.Won't be a problem at all. You could use baht notes printed as far back as the 1990's without issue, earlier than that is still valid, might be worth more as a collector's item.
Crocodilexp
02-09-19, 17:14
It is the first time that I see (at night) all these SWs on the road (Phetchaburi?) from the Lancaster hotel to Asoke road.Kamphaeng Phet 7 road (parallel to Phetchaburi) from Asok to Phet Uthai has long been known for freelancers standing by the side of the road. However, it's a dying scene last time I walked though there (in late 2018), I counted the grand total of 4 girls on the not so short stretch, offering services for 1500-2000, a bit steep given the type of the scene. About 10 years ago there would have been 40 girls on a similar night.
Hi guys,
Sorry, I can't find a general Q+A thread for Thailand?
I'm thinking of booking my first trip to Bangkok (and first trip to Thailand). I have watched many videos of the various areas and the women are beautiful. But the disease side makes me a little uneasy. I have only every mongered in Nevada and Germany. Obviously, absolutely everything will be covered, so no DATY or BBBJ. Generally, though, how clean do the ladies tend to be? I presume they don't get tested. Do they generally perform a DC at least?
Anything else I can do to protect myself? I'm planning to spend most time at the bigger bars. No streetwalkers.
Hi guys,
Sorry, I can't find a general Q+A thread for Thailand?
I'm thinking of booking my first trip to Bangkok (and first trip to Thailand). I have watched many videos of the various areas and the women are beautiful. But the disease side makes me a little uneasy. I have only every mongered in Nevada and Germany. Obviously, absolutely everything will be covered, so no DATY or BBBJ. Generally, though, how clean do the ladies tend to be? I presume they don't get tested. Do they generally perform a DC at least?
Anything else I can do to protect myself? I'm planning to spend most time at the bigger bars. No streetwalkers.What is a DC? No they don't do dick checks if that is what you mean. It is impossible to tell how "clean" the ladies are so stick to safe sex principles.
Don't share fluids, like DATY, BBBJ, kissing. Wear condom, and make sure it is always lubed up at all times. Then, and this is the most important, wash your cock with soap straight after the event, making sure that you do not get any vaginal fluids in the eye of your cock.
If you do all this then I can guarantee you will never catch anything.
P.S. , there is a "safe sex in thailand" thread for these types of questions.
]Anything else I can do to protect myself? I'm planning to spend most time at the bigger bars. No streetwalkers.You can stay home. Most of them will give your dick a very thorough washing and they are definitely checking it while they do. Asian girls are some of the cleanest girls in the world but still keep it safe.
Hi guys,
Sorry, I can't find a general Q+A thread for Thailand?
I'm thinking of booking my first trip to Bangkok (and first trip to Thailand). I have watched many videos of the various areas and the women are beautiful. But the disease side makes me a little uneasy. I have only every mongered in Nevada and Germany. Obviously, absolutely everything will be covered, so no DATY or BBBJ. Generally, though, how clean do the ladies tend to be? I presume they don't get tested. Do they generally perform a DC at least?
Anything else I can do to protect myself? I'm planning to spend most time at the bigger bars. No streetwalkers.It really depends on where you get the girl.
Freelancer you will find standing on road are not going to be super clean and I doubt if they recently get tested.
However, if you get girls at agency or gogo, chances of them clean are more (though not 100%) Make sure you're covered and some girls will try to do uncovered sex if you're not coming, just don't, say NO.
Make sure your uncovered dick don't go near her genitals, even if you two are just laying down.
Sorry, I can't find a general Q+A thread for Thailand?
. But the disease side makes me a little uneasy. Anything else I can do to protect myself?.Covered / uncovered: what's the difference if you have no girlfriend, and not likely you'll ever get one, live your life, take a pill if you need one, and enjoy yourself.
Crocodilexp
02-12-19, 18:11
I'm thinking of booking my first trip to Bangkok (and first trip to Thailand). I have watched many videos of the various areas and the women are beautiful.
Adjust your expectations. Thai women in general may well be beautiful, but these days, working girls tend to be in the bottom 20% of Thai women in terms of looks. Some punters might be more generous (especially first time ones), but I always get depressed when I get off the Skytrain (public transit with a representative cross section of normal, average girls), and into nightlife areas with the dregs. If you come to Thailand expecting stellar looks, you're certain to be disappointed. However, compared to much of the world, Bangkok or Pattaya still have a wide variety of sex venues, as well as exceptional or unique service in a few of them, albeit not across the board. The scene used to be much better 6-10 years ago in every aspect (prices, attitudes, service, selection, fun), don't let the old reports mislead you. Still, it's worth a visit.
But the disease side makes me a little uneasy. I have only every mongered in Nevada and Germany. Obviously, absolutely everything will be covered, so no DATY or BBBJ. Generally, though, how clean do the ladies tend to be? I presume they don't get tested. Do they generally perform a DC at least?
What's a DC?
Take simple precautions and don't worry. From the hygiene point of view, Thai girls, including sex workers, are most likely the cleanest in the world. Regular routine includes a shower before and after the session. Condom use is relatively high as well, but you never know.
When it comes to STDs and mongering in Thailand, unless you're going with homeless street women, worrying about who might be clean and who might not be is entirely pointless. The only thing you can do is use condoms and lube properly every time, and wash up after the deed. From what I know, DATY or BBBJ are not huge risks for the man, but if that level of risk seems too high for you, it's probably better to abstain from mongering altogether. Only masturbation is 100% safe.
Testing is irrelevant. There is no law compelling sex workers to get tested or to stop working if they have an STD. Even if they get tested, it's strictly for their own benefit, and don't expect they would stop work and forego piles of money just to protect an unknown customer. The bar wouldn't care much to have an employee out of commission either.
Mr Enternational
02-12-19, 20:00
Freelancer you will find standing on road are not going to be super clean and I doubt if they recently get tested.
However, if you get girls at agency or gogo, chances of them clean are moreWhere did you get this information from?
What's a DC?
Perhaps he means GC.
A GC is a test that clinics do to test for Gonococci (gonorrhoea) and Chlamydia. It is a cervical / vaginal smear test (or a urethral swab for men) that is then examined in the lab for the organisms. Routine in STI screens.
The only DC I know in this context is D&C (Dilation and Curretage) which is something completely different, as they used to say on Monty Python.
PassinThrough
02-13-19, 17:55
What's a DC?
I believe it is a Dick Check. In some places, like Australia, the working girls will do these as soon as the guy undresses. They look for lesions or any discharge that might indicate a Venereal Disease. I thought this had gone out of fashion because it really can't tell you if the person has herpes or most other VD's especially HIV.
PIT.
Anyone have suggestions for a taxi from Bangkok down to Pattaya? Mr Taxi used to be 1,000 then bumped it to 1,100 and is now asking for 1,300 for a small toyota camry. Anyone have anything cheaper or even a minivan in the range of 2,000?
Anyone have suggestions for a taxi from Bangkok down to Pattaya? Mr Taxi used to be 1,000 then bumped it to 1,100 and is now asking for 1,300 for a small toyota camry. Anyone have anything cheaper or even a minivan in the range of 2,000?Mr. T,
In Pattaya pick costumers up in Bangkok as well. Check "him" on Google. Perhaps you can find several companies from Pattaya. There cars normally go cheaper, both ways.
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