German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Takedown]

Oh, and people don't like intellectual people. Because 50% of us will allways be opposed, and 50% will allways agree. That is why I tell random guy at Sharks who asks who these forum trolls such as for example Kosher Kowboy is, who spam ISG are. That I don't post on an internet forum. And then he looks bewilderred himself too, as he was in fact searching for a likeminded group of guys from a secret hidden brotherhood of weirdo nutjobs (courtesy of Takedown). That he also never post on internet forums. He then proceeds with his search to weed us out of the crowds. But I once met a guy that did post on an internet forum, and he was a bit strange. (LOL). Because chances are he hates my ideas and will just play nice if I tell him. The power of immunity. At least untill the random german local with eyes everywhere sniffs you out and tells him. As abstract or not this story was. It can theoretically happen.

Thank you for the shoutout from Bfsie.

To KK's defense. There's a difference between people with social quirks being a little eccentric and nutjub trolls. One would have to be a complete societal outsider with a lack of awareness of social graces to consider Kosher Kowboy a troll. He is amicable in his writings and is one of the more pleasant posters.

Also there is a difference between thinking outside the box and being a contrarian.

P.S. I recall that you had a room at GT so I retract my statement that you had no experience there. My apologies. Please continue your anti Golden Time and pro Oceans crusade at your pleasure.

[Mr Ho]

I mainly agree with you here actually. But I have also noticed through the years that there are working girls who are single, and their job is keeping them away from the normal dating game. So an easy way for these girls can be to find a monger. And some of these girls can be stunningly beautiful. So in these, I have to add rare cases, it is not something to completely rule out. What the numbers are is hard to say. Some say 90% have boyfriends already. Maybe. We don't know for sure. Only guesses. And some even date these girls without paying too. I have dated several girls mainly in asia without paying too. Working girls in the past. But in europe I havebt had the guts yet to take the chance as I feel the risk is higher. Maybe its cultural. It seems in some places to be kind of something a wg would hide from her other nationals as it seems to have stigma for some of them. Like a chinese girl dating a westerner for example due to the imposed idea chinese men give out stating there are too many sibgke Chinese men. Maybe Romanian or Turkish men feel the same as a grouped together 'immigrant society'..

OK, writing seriously here, and I contradict what I wrote a little bit.

I tend to also think in FKK, client can have some kind of friendship or relationship with girls because we now finally live in freedom enough world, where we more or less can do what we want or say what we want to say to great extent, but all I am saying for sake and safety of both parties, both clients and working girls in FKK, it is better to draw some line in German FKK because it is brothel, it is place to seek for sexual fantasies and it is not place to communicate in deeper level with opposite sex in mental spiritual level, you can connect in deeper level in sexual level that is FKK for me, this is what I really think for sake and safety of both parties.

There are many different girls in FKK and not all pimp and lover boys behind though most are, but the fact that they come into your life so deep sexually and they are gone is part of beauty of mongering, though connection is deep in sexual level, somehow some of my past favorite girls I frequented stays in my beautiful memories.

As for aftermath of FKK girls, many girls told me that they quit then they get boyfriends to live their life, I hope they will as many are actually nice hearted girls even in such hard situation that they are in and I respect their strength to stay kind and warm hearted, they are stronger many of us mongers. Whether it is true or not, I wish every girl I repeated in room to be happy in their after FKK life. I sometimes do think about their dreams they told me in room even though they are long gone and yes, you are right, they continue this life of FKK, it is not impossible, but hard to get themselves a real boyfriend because no man send their wife or loved one to FKK if they truly love them. I give respect and praises for how some of those FKK girls managed to stay so strong, brave and warm hearted and fair even in such harsh situation in FKK and they are given to bad hand of unfortunate fate called life in FKK for now.

Meanwhile, let me get back to usual Mr Ho LOL! As long as mongers continue to be mongers, we cannot get real girlfriend because we know where we can get better juices are than girls who will age and decrease in quality, in FKK our girlfriends are young, beautiful and they change all the time without stress, no negotiation their legs are wide open even their anal are open, and hey it is much cheaper than marriage LOL!

[Sirioja]

The greatest skill a human being can have is neighter intellect, wisdom nor intuition. It is empathy. And we like emphatic people. Girls with empathy makes more money than others. If Sirioja wants a kiss, a girl kiss. If BigDaddyCool76 and CaneupHosAss likes anal, the girl gives away anal as an option. Maybe even doing training at home with a toy in order to open up. LOL. Just because she knows there are kinky guys out there who are different. Because they understand what some other people are searching for. Of course, as long as it doesn't harm themselves physically. That is the psychology I think Takedown might be searching for without saying it. We all have larger or smaller demons inside of us that wants out. And certain demons are such that working girls tend to them better than a male psychologist. If we suppress them, they may grow larger, and bad things may occur.

Thomas Aquinas coined it well for his time and in his cultural context.

- Prostitution in the towns is like the cesspool in the palace: take away the cesspool and the palace will become an unclean and evil-smelling place. - Thomas Aquinas.

Kissing is the most intimate for most of girls, much more than sucking, even CIM, even AO sex, and I make the job with my manners to give girls the will to come to kiss me, really enjoyable is while fucking and she put her going faster and faster breathe in your mouth. Some become really passionate under caresses or when we are deep inside.

As say girls, we are different and easy to notice how some girls treat us in very different way, before room, girls will go to ask to some guys when some guys will have to wait all night or run after, in room girls won t give same program with all of us, and how girls will behave after we paid. I enjoy when girls propose me to go for diner before and even more after, and really enjoyable was a really good surprise preparing sandwich for her and me on late night, after love in bed, not only sex can really be enjoyable, girls behavior is very important for me, what I call GFE, when girls just run away from most, after getting money.

[Bfsie]

I think that many Takedown's FKK-related observations and views are spot on and he is one of the best and most sensible FKK observers on FKK forum by his FKK experience. I am not talking about other FKK-unrelated issues on which everyone can have his own opinion, but I think he got very good senses on many FKK-related issues due to his FKK experience and observation.

It is time for me to go back to work LOL.

[Pistons]

Oh, and people don't like intellectual people. Because 50% of us will allways be opposed, and 50% will allways agree. That is why I tell random guy at Sharks who asks who these forum trolls such as for example Kosher Kowboy is, who spam ISG are. That I don't post on an internet forum. And then he looks bewilderred himself too, as he was in fact searching for a likeminded group of guys from a secret hidden brotherhood of weirdo nutjobs (courtesy of Takedown). That he also never post on internet forums. He then proceeds with his search to weed us out of the crowds. But I once met a guy that did post on an internet forum, and he was a bit strange. (LOL). Because chances are he hates my ideas and will just play nice if I tell him. The power of immunity. At least untill the random german local with eyes everywhere sniffs you out and tells him. As abstract or not this story was. It can theoretically happen.

[Takedown]

I don't know about the ethnicity of the owners but those 2 last years I had good encounters in 6 sense.

And maybe I'm the only one but I never realized so many differences in the optic department between sharks and LR or sharks and Finca. More girls yes, prettier 'not so sure. Between Sharks and Aca gold the difference in optics is obvious.

I dunno man. I just visited both Sharks and Finca 2 days apart. While, I love Finca, the optic disparity is pretty glaring. To a lesser degree, LR also. Maybe I am just fooled by the total nudity versus dessous clubs.

[Pistons]

The greatest skill a human being can have is neighter intellect, wisdom nor intuition. It is empathy. And we like emphatic people. Girls with empathy makes more money than others. If Sirioja wants a kiss, a girl kiss. If BigDaddyCool76 and CaneupHosAss likes anal, the girl gives away anal as an option. Maybe even doing training at home with a toy in order to open up. LOL. Just because she knows there are kinky guys out there who are different. Because they understand what some other people are searching for. Of course, as long as it doesn't harm themselves physically. That is the psychology I think Takedown might be searching for without saying it. We all have larger or smaller demons inside of us that wants out. And certain demons are such that working girls tend to them better than a male psychologist. If we suppress them, they may grow larger, and bad things may occur.

Thomas Aquinas coined it well for his time and in his cultural context.

- Prostitution in the towns is like the cesspool in the palace: take away the cesspool and the palace will become an unclean and evil-smelling place. - Thomas Aquinas.

[Takedown]

GT certainly below (and below YY too). No idea about Villa Venus or Luder Lounge.

But you have never sessioned at GT. Use of the word "Certainly" seems to be a case of poor reporting, certainly one not using first hand experience while disregarding the the viewpoints of those with whom you most often monger. This attitude may lead one to take a shitty session immediately after a fellow monger tells you that a WG should be avoided.

Reviews are by nature generally subjective but subjectivity should at least be based on experience.

[Pistons]

Speed was a irrelevant side point. Organically and praticality were the real points.

Global warming: that's called informing the public of you know, facts. Yet 50 years later and over half of the world's population doesn't give a fuck.

You're basically making my point with media induced paradigm shifts. Look how well those agendas have been going. Feminism: clusterfuck with men playing along to either get laid covertly or to protect their careers. Forced Liberalism: conservative and nationalist backlash that has led to Trump, Brexit, and possibly future Italian and Hungarian nationalist regression.

Successful paradigm shifts short of war and revolutions where people were you know, starving and dying, generally do not happen abruptly from abstract nutjobs who consider themselves free thinkers, forcing impractical, abstract ideas down people's throats.

What happens when nutjobs with abstract ideas prevail? Fucking return of measles and polio.

Lets just say that 99% of what you read in the news is grey truths. And most of them are agendas forced upon us. Most of which agendas are even public now with Agenda 21, agenda 2030, New Urban Agenda in protection of migrants, IOM etc etc etc.

New previously abstract words become common every year, and soon gain traction in the public. Everything evolves, languages, people, knowledge, technologies. Nothing is stagnant. Everyone is a 'nutjob'. It makes us into individuals. Some are just more open and honest about it than others.

Getting into conspiracy theories on this forum won't get us anywhere, and can spin into ad infinitum 10 new pages. So lets not get started. But that is the power of the media. To stake out what is fake news, and what is not. And the average guy listens to it. Because NBC said it, and NBC has Brian Williams and Lester Holt. Two likable guys with faces that seem honest. As if we actually hear the interpretations of these seemingly professional well spoken faces, and not just hear them reading large letters on a big screen next to the camera shooting them. Written by an abstract nutjob freak sitting behind a computer with two inch thick glasses, one arm, a stinky t shirt and cum on his right hand. (LOL).

I will just make one example. CO2 may, or may not cause global warming. I might lack enough information. Media news spin doctors definitely haven't managed to show it inconclusively. But what we do know for a fact, is that if we reduce the amount of water in the lower cloud layer of the earth. The higher cloud layers move upwards, and we get a double warming effect. This is being done en masse with something known as cloud seeding. And we have been doing this more and more for over 50 years already. In parallel with global warming taking off. Overpopulation and our thirst for water can then be concluded as causing global warming. Not our usage of CO2. But our hunger for water hits less fairly economically than our hunger for CO2.

https://youtu.be/Tmk7nAvpMXQ

But ofcourse you are right in that information cause paradigm changes. It just depends on how we frame that information. We call it spin doctoring. A subjective take on reality. It can both be facts, and it can be half truths to some.

Every political change is caused by a nutjob who considers himself a free thinker. That is how the world evolves. Believeing we are the exception to the rule is insanity. Just look at Donald Trump. Or Hillary Clinton for that matter. Delve deep enough into any presidental candidate you have in the nutjob country USA (all countries are the same. Just that the media industry of USA is more rough), and you end up finding dirt if you want. At least if you want to frame it all as dirt. And even framing something as dirt can have a forseen or unforseen consequence. Ending up being positive or negative for certain agendas.

[Pistons]

Each word / name itself is a distinct frame! LIke we say, eg: "in the name of freedom".

Information is for intellectuals and computers. Intuition and wisdom are for human beings that got in contact with (their) intelligence.

The imo best modern map of stages of consiousness and the evolution of mankind, written in a language that is easily understandable, can be found in the work of Ken Wilber (Integral Institute). If one doesn't mind a book with 800+ pages, I would recommend this one her:

https://www.amazon.com/Religion-Tomo...3&keywords=ken+wilber+books.

I have no idea where you got it from that every word is a frame. Every subjective word you choose to use a frame. But not an objective word that you don't use. For example, the word 'word', is an objective word. We use words all the time, but we don't write 'word' in every sentence. There are distinct types of framing too, and I was referring to action framing.

About the information age, the main outcome, and perhaps the whole idea behind it, is to fuse your two distinct domains: robotic intellect and intuition / wisdom. We call such a fusion a cyborg, and in a way, we have all just started becoming one through communicating from far away, and between all age groups. Soon we might even learn to read minds. Or who knows, we might be able to hack each others memories. What then? We can reexperience the emotions, impulses and sensations Brad Pitt had when boning Angelina Jolie? Or vice versa for women? LOL.

[HydroPumper]

Group,

Now I understand why there is not much information in this forum regarding FKK Morgenland. Visited Morgenland on a Monday afternoon and the place was dead! Their website would lead you to believe the club is much bigger than it is and much nicer. In truth, it's small and not so nice. Was only there for a few minutes when I realized that there was not much fun to be had. Saw four girls and only one of them would have considered having a session with. And, no diet soda! Looked at the time and realized I could get to Colosseum right at opening so I took off.

I'm not saying "do not go" but saying "keep your expectations low".

[Nick The G]

But as mentioned in my last post, and Takedown hinted at also, framed words such as 'w. Ore', and 'ho. Oker' have been brought out into public discourse for a purpose by certain interest groups in order to program non liberal individuals.

Each word / name itself is a distinct frame! LIke we say, eg: "in the name of freedom".

The main paradigm change which has barely started, and hardly many, if even any world leaders get a slight graps of the boundaries of today, is the information age. And the internet in particular. Eventually it will make the enlightenment turn into a baby step of a mouse.

Information is for intellectuals and computers. Intuition and wisdom are for human beings that got in contact with (their) intelligence.

The imo best modern map of stages of consiousness and the evolution of mankind, written in a language that is easily understandable, can be found in the work of Ken Wilber (Integral Institute). If one doesn't mind a book with 800+ pages, I would recommend this one her:

https://www.amazon.com/Religion-Tomo...3&keywords=ken+wilber+books.

[Takedown]

At the extremes of this hobby, my opinion is there are people who are in denial. It is a defense mechanism. They imagine realities because they don't want to face the truth. If you truly have friends in private life, then I hope you are not neglecting these relationships.

I will say this: you certainly do not seem to be neglecting the German FKK threads. You seem to be quite active here, as well as inbox messaging, and my understanding is that your mongering in Germany only constitutes a small percentage of your overall mongering activity. You have over 3 K posts in the German FKK threads. One might reasonably assume that you have 30 K posts in Japan threads in Japanese language forums? Are you making posts while you are at the office?

Nice attempt but delusion is apparently one hell of a beast and you are right that it's probably not worth bothering attempting to preaent a reality check. Your contribution to society is noted.

I'll add to our conversation earlier. While I stand by by my proposed benefits of socializing with prostitutes as a way to gain some social skills, I suppose that is only appropriate only people who are shy or a little awkward. As alluded to, in this case they can serve as a psychologist, pressure release vavlve, or life counselor. However, people suffering from delusions and practicing denial of one's own limitations, well, they probably would not benefit. These people would just fall further into their delusions, lying to themselves and others.

[Pistons]

But what I do not get is this. I just do not get why some people try to get relationship with prostitutes in FKK, this is not to insult prostitutes or nothing like that, but what I mean is that, FKK is brothel, it is not place to seek for soul mate or someone you can deeply connect with, brothel is place to have sex. I have good relation with girls I repeat, but that good relation stay in FKK because what happen in FKK stays in FKK, sometimes they write me on e-mail, but I know it is just a sales mail and these girls are not serious, I think seeking relationship in FKK with prostitutes are dangerous both men and prostitutes and there are some cases in past that escalated to very sad vicious crime because of that and clients who seek relationship with girls is worst clients mentally for girls, good money though they said. Most close friends that last for life are made in high school and university, not in brothel.

I mainly agree with you here actually. But I have also noticed through the years that there are working girls who are single, and their job is keeping them away from the normal dating game. So an easy way for these girls can be to find a monger. And some of these girls can be stunningly beautiful. So in these, I have to add rare cases, it is not something to completely rule out. What the numbers are is hard to say. Some say 90% have boyfriends already. Maybe. We don't know for sure. Only guesses. And some even date these girls without paying too. I have dated several girls mainly in asia without paying too. Working girls in the past. But in europe I havebt had the guts yet to take the chance as I feel the risk is higher. Maybe its cultural. It seems in some places to be kind of something a wg would hide from her other nationals as it seems to have stigma for some of them. Like a chinese girl dating a westerner for example due to the imposed idea chinese men give out stating there are too many sibgke Chinese men. Maybe Romanian or Turkish men feel the same as a grouped together 'immigrant society'. But now I am just guessibg here. Even if I had 10+ different gitls telling me a certain girl was not trying to fool me once at an FKK when she wanted to move in with me permanently, I bailed out. So far that leap just seems to far. Just like you say, partly for those same reasons. And partly also for the history of the girls having charged you for something (like chess in the room). In asia, this dating of wg's are far more normal than in europe though. In Macau for example due to the incredibly skewed gender imbalance with far more women than men. Thailand and south east asia for other more obvious reasons. Why it is different in Europe than in asia? History may be one reason in thailand. Maybe somebody here can make good guesses. But it seems to me like most girls doing this for a living is opposed to it while working. Aside from fooling guys into paying more indirectly ofcourse. And then dating. But it can be an option for them the moment they quit this job. However, that might mean that they are of the older types and 30+ when getting to that point. Maybe it is like a way of retiering for both wg's and monger alike. But I hope not too many get their hopes up, as it seems to lead to silly drama, and rumored to also lead to dangerous incidents if one get fooled. And the majority is getting fooled.

[PlayToDef]

Hello there,

Long time lurker, new poster.

I will soon be visiting Germany again after a long time and only have one visit to Artemis under my belt.

I'm going to spend some time in the Frankfurt area and was wondering what club would suit my wishes better.

Basically looking for women on the slightly thicker end of the spectrum. Not BBW's, just full round asses and natural tits. No optifucks needed, plain old depravity will suffice.