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[Takedown]

I hope you can take it as something to improve on instead of as an insult, is to be less possessive over the girls you like in an FKK. Be it either Carla (Oase) telling her other customers are idiots and then she avoids him right after.

Still the most troubling accusation of all, a purely constructed scenario that has yet to be explained. I know we can live out fantasies in FKKs but they are usually about sexual activities with women. Accusing other men of things to explain rejection is very revealing of personal character. I would feel bad if rejected by a WG, but my first thought would be "what am I doing to cause the person to feel this way about me," not blaming it on others.

[Takedown]

I will just make a short summary instead:

2: Even if money was the main contributor, then name calling is always a negative impulse that doesn't help. The only intervention was the pushing. Everything else was at the highest manners and shouldn't be any problem at all if one knows how to talk to people. But maybe you are right that we need to learn social skills in FKK's. What others mean is irrelevant when it is word against word.

About the bonus question: The only cult we have here is the monogamous cult. I once read a book called 'Combating Cult Mind Control' by Steven Hassan. He points to 4 distinctions regarding what a cult is..

When a person's blood rushes so much to his pecker away from his head, his sense of hearing often shuts off. Without blood, he cannot hear another person's request to back off. Like a dog that doesn't listen, sometimes you have to get that dog back in line by means that lets him know that you're serious.

It's funny that you say that opinions of others do not matter. That's exactly how court arbitration works. Word against word, and a third party determines whose version is more plausible. Apparently it was was made clear but not to your liking so the only option left is to vent frustrations on ISG.

Try as you might, when it's practiced by the majority of non-nutjobs, it's called culture not a cult. I know, same root words. I can see why that can be confusing.

To summarize, Monogamy is our culture. Polygamy is a cult.

[Pistons]

True, nowadays we yearn for new fairytales, told by modern priest-like figures!

Here I am advocating determinism, and you keep talking about priests and gods. I think you have missed a few points, so a direct reply to you is useless.

But if you look at sales theory, and all these impulses we submit and receive, then that doesn't have to relate to clairsentience. It can all be subconscious. The same goes for the link between empathy, game theory and determinism.

Takedown: I wrote 2 long replies to that last comment you made there, but seems they won't allow it. I will just make a quick reply on the last bonus question you did: There is a book called "Combating Cult Mind Control" by Steven Hassan. And according to that one we can easily define monogamy as a 100% complete destructive cult. Polygamous orgies all the time societies without a hierarchy however is pretty much the opposite of a cult.

[Pistons]

I will just make a short summary instead:

2: Even if money was the main contributor, then name calling is always a negative impulse that doesn't help. The only intervention was the pushing. Everything else was at the highest manners and shouldn't be any problem at all if one knows how to talk to people. But maybe you are right that we need to learn social skills in FKK's. What others mean is irrelevant when it is word against word.

About the bonus question: The only cult we have here is the monogamous cult. I once read a book called 'Combating Cult Mind Control' by Steven Hassan. He points to 4 distinctions regarding what a cult is.

One is hierarchical leaders. A fully polygamous society with orgies everywhere should not have leaders. But a monogamous society always has. Plus monogamous societies have a monetary structured society also. Very hierarchical.

The second one is books where rules are displayed. Monogamy has this today through laws and where people bind themselves through written marriage pacts. Nothing of this sort in a complete polygamous society full of orgies all the time.

The third one is ceremonies: Lets just say monogamous people have weddings. And some also celebrate anniversaries when it comes to monogamy.

The fourth one is rituals: You put on engagement rings and marriage rings. Nothing of the sort in a polygamous orgie based model.

Result: Monogamy is a total 100% destructive cult according to Steven Hassan's book. It brainwashes people, and must be thus be combated to avoid extremism, wars and all sorts of bad things.

[Nick The G]

Nope, but some old people should lay off the coffee, and stop listening to old fairy tales of Gods and such.

True, nowadays we yearn for new fairytales, told by modern priest-like figures!

[Nick The G]

Talking about psychic abilities and interactions is not easy. I would rate clairsentience as a highly developed level of empathy.

But here we are talking about a context, where sex is instrumentalized / commercialized and the will or need to spend / earn money is the dominating force. So I assume we are talking about lower levels of empathy.

And there is another thing, not uncommon in the context of prostitution. For example, if men or women suffer from borderline personality disorder, it is a well known phenomenon that they can have a radar-like sensitivity of what the other needs / wants. But this type of "getting into the head of another" is not what we normally understand as "empathy".

[Pistons]

Wow! What a relief! So what you tell us is: the pure existence of game theory itself is the first scientifically valid proof for the existence of God? Congratulations!

Nope, but some old people should lay off the coffee, and stop listening to old fairy tales of Gods and such.

[Nick The G]

You don't need to talk about game theory for it to have existed since the beginning of life itself.

Wow! What a relief! So what you tell us is: the pure existence of game theory itself is the first scientifically valid proof for the existence of God? Congratulations!

[Pistons]

Wallah Pistons, the problem with game theory is that it assumes human beings make rational choices. So it is not very good at predicting the behavior of 40-year old guys much less 20-year old girls.

True, it is not perfect. Especially when the big heads ideas conflict with the smaller ones. LOL. Or the two voices in the head of the little girl speaks. One angel and one demon. But I think there is more to the subconscious mind than most people think. But then we might have to start discussing what is free will. Does free will exist? We don't have any proof. But we know person A always takes a choice. And that choice is based on his judgement of previous impulses. Like a butterfly effect.

Edit: what I ment was: we don't know for sure how much of a choice we really have. If any. These are only theories. And far out philosophy, or physics. Determinism contradicts free will, and that is the only thing we can find out through a study.

https://cosmosmagazine.com/physics/does-free-will-exist-in-the-universe-that-would-be-a-no

(Takedown: maybe I subconsciously had a determined idea of testing your possessive trait there by moving up on a grey zone. And the test came out valid through an overreaction)

[Takedown]

So if a WG pretends to be in love with her client, so that she can over the course of months put him into heavy financial debt--is she a sociopath? Not necessarily. Such WGs have the capacity to feel and share the pain of people in their personal lives, but with their lovesick clients, this conscience may not be present.

Not 100% sure if you are saying these WGs don't have true empathy; but if so, I want to interject that empathy and conscience are not inclusive. One can have true empathy but still betray one's own conscience. Empathy merely means you can feel what the other person is feeling, but does not imply that you feel a moral obligation to them.

[Takedown]

Takedown,

1. Terrible session never means a session is wasted. It just wasn't worth a repeat. Maybe if someone doesn't get his blood flowing or is impotent, then a terrible session can mean it is wasted.

2. Excuses for possessive attitude leads nowhere no matter the reasoning. True or false, they don't matter. Without me going into my almost completely different observations of your descriptions. Word against word.

3. Are you chatting with KK? I reread my post and it is quite obvious. The 'nutjob' addition is added as an ironic example of all posters on ISG. It is called irony.

1. Okay, whatever it takes to find peace after a loss. Still a terrible session that could have been avoided if one listens and heeds. It was a terrible sequence of events nonetheless, dropping another 75 on nothing. I have sympathy for you with that loss, although it was self inflicted and could have easily and predictably been avoided. What do I know? You were only warned at every step a mistake was being made. I suppose it is a blow to the ego to admit that.

2. Speaking of excuses, they are often made for oneself when rejected by others, worse when a WG finds you are not worth the time and money. It's even more sad when in order to deflect, one points fingers at anyone but himself. Regarding interjection, even other parties present said intruding was wrong. Blaming others is a poor substitute for self awareness.

3. Yes we spoke. In fact another party brought it to his attention. That makes at least 3 parties who read something other than what you claim you intended.

Bonus: Again, who deemed FKKs bastions of sharing pussy and not just another form of German brothel. Fake news for cultist nutjobs.

[Polyamorist]

You don't need to talk about game theory for it to have existed since the beginning of life itself.

Wallah Pistons, the problem with game theory is that it assumes human beings make rational choices. So it is not very good at predicting the behavior of 40-year old guys much less 20-year old girls.

[Pistons]

Empathy. TheCane humorously makes the point which I would make. I argued that empathy is a great asset for a working girl, from her own utilitarian standpoint, but, however much empathy she has, her job is to make money. So, she wants to make money, and we want sex (or whatever we seek). TheCane reminds us of this very appropriately.

As McAdonis says, empathy is not the same as pretending to have empathy (often a skilled con person can appear to be empathetic). In general I go along with Pistons that empathy is a positive.

Nick, you assume that empathy means a total transference of priorities to the object (of that empathy). False assumption. Having empathy for a person does not mean we give them loads of money and ignore our own lives. But, as Pistons suggests, maybe we might modify our behaviour: I have indeed been in a room with girls suffering from migraines and God knows what, and even extended them into long sessions so the girl can rest. But maybe that was just to boost my self-image as an empathetic guy LOL. Anyway, if we have empathy we need to use it for ourselves as well (maybe compassion is a better word).

No need to nail all this down to any firm conclusions, but if we mix up all our differing contributions, it is clear that for us, buying sex is not a brutal inhuman exploitation that so often the politicians suggest. Maybe there is more humanity in these posts than in some political parties.

If I have misrepresented anyone's views, apologies.

Mainly correct I suppose, but you missed my game theory point. Basically saying the same as McAdonis, although I had a slightly different take on it. McAdonis take on empathy as different from pretending to be empathy is in that sense negative. In the case you mention it to be, it is to make you feel better. So a positive. My theoretical take on it was neutral. As in game theory. And I believe (without any links if any smartass want to ask for it), that we instinctivly are good to other and show empathy in orders in order to obtain something more. Perhaps just subconsciously. Not necessarily allways negative, nor positive. It can be both or neighter. The world is very grey.

I did wrote that McAdoni's post was very good. It was to show that side of the discussion. It doesn't mean however that I agree with the psychological distinction of a sociopath more than it being just a theoretical idea. Yes, there might be some brain areas lighting up more with the so called sociopaths, but it can just as well be a cocktail of other more natural feelings that person has. Loners, people with messed up hormonal imbalances, or a whole range of environmental factors. 'Sociopathic tendencies' might be a better term, but it is still negative framing in the context of empathy. At least since she does consider this a job. And as someone who has worked in sales, being a good seller does not make you a sociopath. It just makes you a good seller. And there are several ways to reach that goal. Still, it is very good for a buyer to know of all the angles you can have on the empathy shown.

[Pistons]

Wrong. The kinds of phenomena that game theory studies have been around since life itself. But game theory is the mathematical study of that phenomena. And game theory, that study, has been around for less than one hundred years. It was invented by John von Neumann in the 1940's.

OK wise guy. So I was talking about the phenomena. Not that I agree with your semantics, but if it makes you feel better.

[Mr Ho]

I go to FKK to have sex, to fulfill my lust knowing FKK is a brothel, but many mongers seems to be going there for different purposes also like communicating with opposite sex, practicing social skills and empathy is so far what I heard here, I think before feeling empathy we are part of this prostitution or pimping business model, so I think we are guilty from that stand point and one may argue that we give them money because we feel empathy, yes we do, after we stick our penis into her mouth, ass and pussy and make them lick our body LOL! I mean. We are the demand, that is why they supply, we are all in same boat here called prostitution business model.

I think we should not treat girls in bad manner or we may give respect to some of the FKK girls for remaining such a warm person after all these hard situations in their life because some of them are really warm hearted, but hey we exploit them also for their situation, we should not be self righteous because we are the cause of all this, without supply, they would not be there chasing their fast cash that we give in exchange of our need of putting our penis into their mouth, pussy and ass LOL.