East China - Shanghai

[Midwestern]

Over the last year, I experienced some good contacts with a girl I met in Judy's (from VietNam of course). Using WC we would meet, independent of bar activities, and she would stay with me for a couple of days in my SH hotel. So there was more than the hardcore activities, we would visit musea and other events. I visit SH every 2 months for business. With the present shut-down, she is staying in HCMCity and is not considering any other way of working in SH than the usual places: J and M. Bur she did contact me with an interesting proposal: she could fly over, stay with me for a week, only with me and fly back. She showed me her economics, 3400 RMB for the return ticket and twice the taxi fare from Pudong to the hotel. It is intriguing, but I had to decline. A few encounters in a week of 1500-2000 RMB is one thing, but maintaining a lady for a whole week, outside work, is rather challenging. In the evenings there are some business obligations and we always enjoy our dinners and other outings. We have a healthy appetite between the sheets, though, a lot of foreplay (BBBJ and DATY; she does not fake her orgasm), and the usual K9 missio and the occasional trip to the Greek islands, always covered. But to go for these activities every night? Not for me. Any thoughts in the forum about this proposition? Anyone did it before?

I've done this before. During the last crackdown, I was so desperate that I contacted a former Kitty gal (Kitty's is an outcall agency in Beijing). She quit the P4 P biz several years ago, but we kept touch because she was one of my my faves and she liked me too. So, when I asked her to visit me in Shanghai, she said okay and she came, and stayed for about 5 days. I told her I would be working days, so she had the days to herself. Though we occasionally met for afternoon delights.

So, I would say there are four things you should consider: (1) Will she pay for her own flight so you can reimburse her when you meet? I wouldn't transfer money to a WG, as it leaves a paper trail. (2). Has she stayed overnight with you before? Only reason why I say this is because many WGs are restless sleepers or on their phones or have insomnia or are jonesing for a smoke. (3) Make sure she understands that you have a busy schedule but that she is supposed to be on your schedule. (4) Finally, one other thing that I did was put her up in her own hotel room. I didn't want someone in my room when I wasn't there.

So, we are talking about a lot of money. In addition to air travel and hotel, I paid her 1.5x her usual overnight rate for each day she was in Shanghai.

[Midwestern]

It looks like I visited Shanghai in the worst possible period of its history, yet I was not so unlucky as it could have been.

Stephen's arrest occurred around the time of the previous crackdown, not the current crackdown. Stephen ran a site, SNG, similar to the current NLO. His assistant and at least a dozen johns were arrested too. The johns were in jail for 2 weeks, to provide testimony against Stephen and his assistant. Apparently, LE was able to locate the johns using the assistant's phone, and hotel security cameras confirmed the meetups.

Just before the current crackdown, Rain got busted along with 4-5 of her gals. She ran a well known outcall agency, catering to foreigners. I would be surprised if they didn't bust some johns too, in order to get testimony against Rain.

Right now, even indies are worried about getting busted. WeChat is monitored. Probably a good idea for both parties to avoid putting addresses on WeChat.

[Black Page]

I can think of at least 3 active posters on this forum who have been busted. Some, like Stephen, doing real prison time. No illusions.

It looks like I visited Shanghai in the worst possible period of its history, yet I was not so unlucky as it could have been.

[The Guy]

There is no request to close legit MPs.

Its an overzelous action from the local LE in reaction to the ongoing controls since this month is VERY important for them and if something goes bad they will be accused of covering for it before.

They don't want to risk a legit place having a girl doing services for tips on her own will.

Same goes for some shops whom are afraid of getting shutdown and having hard procedures launched against them in case of something going wrong.

Therefore some legit shops are closed, others only have males for male and female for females, others have removed their doors, others have banished oil massage but accomplish massage with clothes, all showers in room have been banished but some provide a room to shower, others provide no shower at all, and some massage joints allow female oil massage on men with doors closed. All cases exist and are a mix of local LE and shop owner's fears.

I'd say if all goes on well and inspection is a success, the pressure should go down a lot at the end of the month and everyone will be happy the central gov gives them a good mark for their advancement in the party.

While I hope you're right, I don't think the city can become as restrictive as it has become (banning even legit massages), then overnight on July 1 revert to the way it was before. Each time there is an extensive anti-mongering campaign, things ease up but never return to the way they were.

Bottom line: Some of the zealousness will fade, but certain restrictions will linger. We will never, I feel, get back to 5 years ago or even 3 years ago. Wishful thinking won't change that.

I can think of at least 3 active posters on this forum who have been busted. Some, like Stephen, doing real prison time. No illusions.

[Midwestern]

There is no request to close legit MPs.

Its an overzelous action from the local LE in reaction to the ongoing controls since this month is VERY important for them and if something goes bad they will be accused of covering for it before.

They don't want to risk a legit place having a girl doing services for tips on her own will.

Same goes for some shops whom are afraid of getting shutdown and having hard procedures launched against them in case of something going wrong.

Therefore some legit shops are closed, others only have males for male and female for females, others have removed their doors, others have banished oil massage but accomplish massage with clothes, all showers in room have been banished but some provide a room to shower, others provide no shower at all, and some massage joints allow female oil massage on men with doors closed. All cases exist and are a mix of local LE and shop owner's fears.

I'd say if all goes on well and inspection is a success, the pressure should go down a lot at the end of the month and everyone will be happy the central gov gives them a good mark for their advancement in the party.

You're right about all cases exist. I was walking around a neighborhood in Changning today, and saw over a dozen legit shops that were open. I was able to get an oil massage with the blue shorts, but no hint of extras. Hope you're right that the pressure goes down a lot by the end of this month.

[RW141]

Over the last year, I experienced some good contacts with a girl I met in Judy's (from VietNam of course). Using WC we would meet, independent of bar activities, and she would stay with me for a couple of days in my SH hotel. So there was more than the hardcore activities, we would visit musea and other events. I visit SH every 2 months for business. With the present shut-down, she is staying in HCMCity and is not considering any other way of working in SH than the usual places: J and M. Bur she did contact me with an interesting proposal: she could fly over, stay with me for a week, only with me and fly back. She showed me her economics, 3400 RMB for the return ticket and twice the taxi fare from Pudong to the hotel. It is intriguing, but I had to decline. A few encounters in a week of 1500-2000 RMB is one thing, but maintaining a lady for a whole week, outside work, is rather challenging. In the evenings there are some business obligations and we always enjoy our dinners and other outings. We have a healthy appetite between the sheets, though, a lot of foreplay (BBBJ and DATY; she does not fake her orgasm), and the usual K9 missio and the occasional trip to the Greek islands, always covered. But to go for these activities every night? Not for me. Any thoughts in the forum about this proposition? Anyone did it before?

[Sinofaguo]

But are the legit MPs guaranteed to return to business at least? Yesterday, I was in Minghang, with a couple of hours to kill, and in need of a legit massage. I walked to more than a half dozen totally LEGIT places, and all closed, until I finally found a foot massage place still open.

There is no request to close legit MPs.

Its an overzelous action from the local LE in reaction to the ongoing controls since this month is VERY important for them and if something goes bad they will be accused of covering for it before.

They don't want to risk a legit place having a girl doing services for tips on her own will.

Same goes for some shops whom are afraid of getting shutdown and having hard procedures launched against them in case of something going wrong.

Therefore some legit shops are closed, others only have males for male and female for females, others have removed their doors, others have banished oil massage but accomplish massage with clothes, all showers in room have been banished but some provide a room to shower, others provide no shower at all, and some massage joints allow female oil massage on men with doors closed. All cases exist and are a mix of local LE and shop owner's fears.

I'd say if all goes on well and inspection is a success, the pressure should go down a lot at the end of the month and everyone will be happy the central gov gives them a good mark for their advancement in the party.

[MaxyBBJ]

But are the legit MPs guaranteed to return to business at least? Yesterday, I was in Minghang, with a couple of hours to kill, and in need of a legit massage. I walked to more than a half dozen totally LEGIT places, and all closed, until I finally found a foot massage place still open.

Who knows? I agree that if Gov decide to stop them all, they will stop them all. In these years I definitely learned that what the Gov say is done.

Anyhow I am still hoping some new form of "relaxing" services will be proposed. From personalized ones to new creative ideas.

Let's see.

Enjoy.

[Midwestern]

The squads from BJ are leaving end of June so it should get much better then, especially since local LE made sure no bad surprise are to popup during this period.

Still, its all part of a campaign that is meant to last till the end of 2019 and noone knows how things will go until December nor what they will decide for 2020 and onwards.

But are the legit MPs guaranteed to return to business at least? Yesterday, I was in Minghang, with a couple of hours to kill, and in need of a legit massage. I walked to more than a half dozen totally LEGIT places, and all closed, until I finally found a foot massage place still open.

[Sinofaguo]

Don't think I'd reach the conclusion, as some posters have, that the Chinese can't stop or greatly hinder the world's oldest profession. This is a tightly monitored and controlled environment. Even in the "free and democratic" US, federal and local governments have clamped down on prostitution, making it dangerous and overpriced. The US, guided by its grandiose 1st amendment, recently shut down Backpage. In fact, the US is more than willing to curtail freedom of speech and private business transaction between willing parties under the guise of (relatively rare) child smuggling. Authoritarian China could do much, much more.

For a take on the recent massage scene, see: http://www.smartshanghai.com/wire/we...ource=android. The massage parlors they talked to said it could be a month. Or it could be permanent.

If I were a betting man, I'd say mongering will be getting more and more dangerous in Shanghai, though the deteriorating environment could be punctuated by some periods of more lax enforcement.

Wish it weren't so!

The squads from BJ are leaving end of June so it should get much better then, especially since local LE made sure no bad surprise are to popup during this period.

Still, its all part of a campaign that is meant to last till the end of 2019 and noone knows how things will go until December nor what they will decide for 2020 and onwards.

[The Guy]

Don't think I'd reach the conclusion, as some posters have, that the Chinese can't stop or greatly hinder the world's oldest profession. This is a tightly monitored and controlled environment. Even in the "free and democratic" US, federal and local governments have clamped down on prostitution, making it dangerous and overpriced. The US, guided by its grandiose 1st amendment, recently shut down Backpage. In fact, the US is more than willing to curtail freedom of speech and private business transaction between willing parties under the guise of (relatively rare) child smuggling. Authoritarian China could do much, much more.

For a take on the recent massage scene, see: http://www.smartshanghai.com/wire/we...ource=android. The massage parlors they talked to said it could be a month. Or it could be permanent.

If I were a betting man, I'd say mongering will be getting more and more dangerous in Shanghai, though the deteriorating environment could be punctuated by some periods of more lax enforcement.

Wish it weren't so!

[Leviton6]

One of my faves is coming back to town, she will be hanging out at the spot with 2 of her friends. I told her to be careful, I wish I was in town. Her and Sun are my ATFs, I do like spinners and Tina's DT always makes me happy.

you will need to stop in,,,, to see her.... telll her Sam sent you

Isn't Manhattan and Judy. "renovating". Right now? Or are the women on a call only basis? Thanks for the tip Sam.

[MaxyBBJ]

I have read on a local site that Sh police is doing a lot of arrests to cut the resource providers of some big gang (s) or similar crime organisations. So, could be that the wind on "our" MPs and the like are gusts from a bigger hurricane. And reading the posts over the arrests for drugs issues, easily can be connected to this news.

This can be a good news or a bad news. Good news would be that, once the gangs are gone, everything goes back to normal and ma be cheaper (just dreaming.). Bad news would be that there will be shortage of "raw material" and price goes up.

Hope for the first one.

And I am pretty sure it is hard to stop the oldest job in the world.

Just wish to share the news.

Enjoy.

[Midwestern]

I received, as many of you I believe, this PM from a new member with 0 posts on ISG (not that having 50 posts would have changed the picture):

Hey blackpage
Read your posts on the Shanghai board, really helpful very detailed thanks for the effort man.
Was travelling to shanghai next week, was looking for some relaible wechat contacts.
See if you can share some. Will revert with detailed FR>
Cheers, thanks.

I am sure it is needless note, but I would advise to not share any wechat contact with unknown people, especially in the current environment.

Yeah, I also got a PM from a new member. He was asking for a WeChat contact of a well known WG whose contact is very easy to find. So I suspect it's LE. This happened during that last crackdown, where a person with no posts suddenly was asking specific details and contacts of various places and gals. Let's not get anyone in trouble, including ourselves obviously. Don't give out details to unknown people.

[Black Page]

I received, as many of you I believe, this PM from a new member with 0 posts on ISG (not that having 50 posts would have changed the picture):

Hey blackpage
Read your posts on the Shanghai board, really helpful very detailed thanks for the effort man.
Was travelling to shanghai next week, was looking for some relaible wechat contacts.
See if you can share some. Will revert with detailed FR>
Cheers, thanks.

I am sure it is needless note, but I would advise to not share any wechat contact with unknown people, especially in the current environment.