Seeking Arrangements

[Pessimist]

Do you have any advice on negotiating on price? SA tells the girl not to go to a room at the meet and greet. Do you find most girls not wanting to go to a hotel on the first meeting? Thanks. Still an amateur.

Generally, I also want to avoid sex in the first meet. As I said, I am afraid of entrapment (perhaps an irrational fear, but we can't be rational all the time), also a first meet and greet does give a chance to get to know, understand, reflect and if still liking the girl, get back with her. Also, as someone else mentioned, the ones who agree to have sex before even the first meet and greet are more likely professional girls and that is usually not my ideal spec. The genuine student, waitress or bartender, office receptionist or even young single mom types may want to also get to know you before agreeing to fuck. I did have sex on some first dates. But in those situations, we still met for a lunch or dinner, spent some time talking, and we both decided we liked each other enough and went to a room nearby. The agreement happened during the meet, not before the meet.

All of the above is in arrangements that happened in my home city. When I'm on the road, it is a different situation. If you are in a city for only 3 days for business and one of them included a business dinner late into the night, you don't have the luxury of meet and greet and then sex the next day. In those scenarios, I break my rule and go with sex despite my fear of entrapment. We keep the discussion as generic as possible, IE. No mention of sex anywhere in the text messages. But when allowance of a few hundred is discussed, the girl knows sex is on the table. Only one time a girl came to my room and pretended to be shocked that I wanted sex. I said "how did you expect to receive 300 with no sex"?

Anyway, to your question, I think most girls are definitely not wanting to go to a room for the simple reason that 50% or more of "girls" on SA are total scammers and fakes. This is my anecdotal experience. Of the remaining, some are strictly no sex girls, and some have very high expectations in terms of allowance and so on. Again, this is in my sample, which is limited to slim white girls younger than 25 years old. Stats may differ at other age groups, in other cities. The ones who are nice, will have sex at reasonable prices are also careful like we are, and will only have sex after a long discussion, a couple of dates and so on.

As for price negotiation, it is jut about being patient. I hardly ever pay more than 400, try to stay below 300 most of the time if possible; I reach out to many many girls because I feel that if I cast a wide net I may catch what I want at a good price. If I was a single man, I probably would be more flexible but part of my challenge is that I need to keep my expenses low enough so that the missing money is never noticed by my spouse.

[Pessimist]

BTW, I also used hushed. I like it. If needed, I can delete the app off my phone and download back. This matters due to my martial status.

I do have my photo uploaded. I keep it private and open it up to girls who asked for it. If you are not careful pretty soon, several dozens of girls have my photo. So, Every few days, I go back to my profile, turn off access to my photo to everyone with one button, and start opening it again when they ask them. I use the same photo as is in my whatsapp and email and phone messaging, so that if ever it comes to it, I can say that particular photo is already in the open domain. But so far, I have been lucky, and worlds have not collided (Seinfeld reference).

[Pessimist]

I'the be curious to know what your home city is..

Yeah, I have to keep it confidential for obvious reasons. Especially as I said I am married and taking a huge risk with all these extracurricular activities. BTW, I have used SA in some bigger cities too, paid 300 to 350 in Boston multiple times and a bit less than that in Chicago. Florida is cheap if you are traveling there, although some girls in Miami demanded a large amount. By far the worst experience has been in San Fran, I never got anyone to accept less than 500 and many demanded 150 to 200 just to have dinner with me. BTW, I always have a dinner or lunch prior to the sex as I want to assess the vibe and due to entrapment fears, I want to get a read on body language through a dinner prior to the meet. Also, I stick to white girls in the 20-25 age group, slim and pretty. Or fair skinned Latinas. If I relax my race, age or body shape criteria, rates may get cheaper I suspect.

[Midwestern]

I'the be curious to know what your home city is.

I have been with SA on and off for 4 years. Mostly on, and when I was off, I tried secret benefits and a couple of other sites but SA has been my best site for a while. I am icky enough to be living in a reasonably priced and yet large enough city with more than a million metropolitan population and much larger if including the greater area in a driving distance of 60 to 80 minutes. Prices have ranged between 200 to 300. Occasionally paid up more if the girl is super hot, but 300 dollars is good enough for even very pretty 20 year old slim white girls. I had the least luck with Asian girls, this area is not full of Asians and they still have the platinum pussy attitude here. Some Latino girls are willing to put out for as low as 150 and some other Latino girls have demanded as much as 1,000 which I thought was crazy talk. White girls are generally reasonable, but every now and then you run into the princess attitude.

The biggest problem is the sheer number of fakers, no sex girls, girls looking for online only arrangements, and many outright scammers. It is a lot of work. But I the end it is all rewarding if you get hold of some good girls. The good news is that over time you build your database. Now I have several dozen girls in my stable so to speak. Sure, some of them change numbers and disappear. But many still answer back.

I am married and have a challenging time in balancing my secretive life on SA, occasional FKK visits with normal married life not to mention the job. I will not give away all my secrets how I do this. But time is as critical as money with these constraints.

On the whole, I am quite satisfied with SA and sugar babe sites in general. It can be an expensive hobby but if you can afford it, with some moderate amount of spending capital, you can have a reasonably OK sex encounters with young pretty girls right here in the US. I have live to tell the tale about this.

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[Akibono]

Both. Mostly at home. As I said in another post, I am lucky enough to live in a reasonably priced city. When I travel to San Fran or NYC, the prices over there are invariably higher, much higher in fact. Why pay $600 for a so so girl when I can have a prettier, younger girl for 300 at home? One advantage is that on the road, if it is a business trip, hotel is already paid for but you can always rent a cheap motel for 50-100 close to where I live.

That said, I have used SA many times when I am on the road.

Do you have any advice on negotiating on price? SA tells the girl not to go to a room at the meet and greet. Do you find most girls not wanting to go to a hotel on the first meeting? Thanks. Still an amateur.

[Pessimist]

Good to learn more about all this. Some more questions from a newbie:

Do y'all mainly use when traveling, or even while at home? If so, do you actually bring the girls back to your place, or get a hotel room for the night? And do you use your real name or phone number? I'm guessing no on the phone at the very least?

I can see this potentially being a fun thing to do when traveling, but I'd get pretty paranoid doing it at home.

Both. Mostly at home. As I said in another post, I am lucky enough to live in a reasonably priced city. When I travel to San Fran or NYC, the prices over there are invariably higher, much higher in fact. Why pay $600 for a so so girl when I can have a prettier, younger girl for 300 at home? One advantage is that on the road, if it is a business trip, hotel is already paid for but you can always rent a cheap motel for 50-100 close to where I live.

That said, I have used SA many times when I am on the road.

[Pessimist]

Let's use this thread to discuss and share SA experiences, tips, advice, etc.

I was on SA for 18 months in the states and had 25 gals. About half were just gals that wanted to enjoy fancy dinners, being spoiled, going on trips, etc. No monetary transaction was ever involved. But other half involved were explicit monetary arrangements. But its a LOT of work.

I have been with SA on and off for 4 years. Mostly on, and when I was off, I tried secret benefits and a couple of other sites but SA has been my best site for a while. I am icky enough to be living in a reasonably priced and yet large enough city with more than a million metropolitan population and much larger if including the greater area in a driving distance of 60 to 80 minutes. Prices have ranged between 200 to 300. Occasionally paid up more if the girl is super hot, but 300 dollars is good enough for even very pretty 20 year old slim white girls. I had the least luck with Asian girls, this area is not full of Asians and they still have the platinum pussy attitude here. Some Latino girls are willing to put out for as low as 150 and some other Latino girls have demanded as much as 1,000 which I thought was crazy talk. White girls are generally reasonable, but every now and then you run into the princess attitude.

The biggest problem is the sheer number of fakers, no sex girls, girls looking for online only arrangements, and many outright scammers. It is a lot of work. But I the end it is all rewarding if you get hold of some good girls. The good news is that over time you build your database. Now I have several dozen girls in my stable so to speak. Sure, some of them change numbers and disappear. But many still answer back.

I am married and have a challenging time in balancing my secretive life on SA, occasional FKK visits with normal married life not to mention the job. I will not give away all my secrets how I do this. But time is as critical as money with these constraints.

On the whole, I am quite satisfied with SA and sugar babe sites in general. It can be an expensive hobby but if you can afford it, with some moderate amount of spending capital, you can have a reasonably OK sex encounters with young pretty girls right here in the US. I have live to tell the tale about this.

[Midwestern]

Good to learn more about all this. Some more questions from a newbie:

Do y'all mainly use when traveling, or even while at home? If so, do you actually bring the girls back to your place, or get a hotel room for the night? And do you use your real name or phone number? I'm guessing no on the phone at the very least?

I can see this potentially being a fun thing to do when traveling, but I'd get pretty paranoid doing it at home.

I mainly used it at home. I tried using it while traveling, but it usually takes too much time (I did get lucky once though, while on a short business trip). At home, I either booked a hotel or used their place. I usually didn't use my real name and I downloaded Hushed for calls and texts. When I say I used it at home, it means nearby city. For example, if you live in Oakland, then find gals living in SF or find undergrads at Berkeley. But you need to ask them where they really live. Almost everyone lies on that site. Gals don't reveal where they really live, but neither did I. For most part, there's little to be paranoid about. They know what they are in for, so there should be no awkwardness if you accidentally run into them. My main concern was that she was a colleague or someone from my personal circle. So I had to ask a bunch of questions to make sure she wasn't.

[Steve 9696]

Good to learn more about all this. Some more questions from a newbie:

Do y'all mainly use when traveling, or even while at home? If so, do you actually bring the girls back to your place, or get a hotel room for the night? And do you use your real name or phone number? I'm guessing no on the phone at the very least?

I can see this potentially being a fun thing to do when traveling, but I'd get pretty paranoid doing it at home.

Best to just do it when traveling. Two big problems locally finding a place to meet up that is discreet and if you book the hotel it will have your name and probsbly address on it. Better to stick to traveling only. Might consider locally an advanced skill if at all.

If you are a girl enthusiast then having a burner phone is pretty much a must. Treat it like a live grenade tho. Never use your real name with a girl ever. At least that's my advise if you have something to lose.

[RedVBlue]

Good to learn more about all this. Some more questions from a newbie:

Do y'all mainly use when traveling, or even while at home? If so, do you actually bring the girls back to your place, or get a hotel room for the night? And do you use your real name or phone number? I'm guessing no on the phone at the very least?

I can see this potentially being a fun thing to do when traveling, but I'd get pretty paranoid doing it at home.

[CPalmson]

SA works very well in Europe, no problems. I am from Sweden and use SA at home as well as on travel in Europe.

Where in Europe are you going? I mights have some tips..

Thanks for the info. I'm coming in May. London and Frankfurt.

[CPalmson]

Thanks for the info. I'm coming over in May.

SA works very well in Europe, no problems. I am from Sweden and use SA at home as well as on travel in Europe.

Where in Europe are you going? I mights have some tips. .

[Blue Swede]

Which site Seeking Arrangement or Secret Benefits is good in Europe? I'm an SA vet and currently still with my SB for over 3 years. Best addiction of my life. I'm planning a trip to Europe and prefer to meet a non-pro to be my companion while there. I'm talking several days to include overnights. I want a hot, young lady to take to clubs and stuff like that. Suggestions?

SA works very well in Europe, no problems. I am from Sweden and use SA at home as well as on travel in Europe.

Where in Europe are you going? I mights have some tips. .

[Midwestern]

Yes all legit girls want a pic before you meet. In fact real girls ask pretty early on. I always suspect escort when they don't ask for pics. Pro tip: I wanted to use an online pic of me so I have legitimate deniability if it comes back to me. But I don't want it to be searchable. So I used my phone to take a pic of my computer screen with my pic on it. This ensures all the pixels are different and it's quite unsearchable.

When I started I figure agree the amount when you meetup. But I had a couple girls a little disappointed. I've decided it's better to settle the figure first. It's important to phrase it so it's not money for sex. They don't want to feel like escorts (I know U know this midwestern but for others). My three LV girls agreed $400.

And yes I barebacked with girl 1. Was not my idea. But on round two she just ripped the rubber off and mounted up cowgirl. I was powerless to resist! Even tho I did not CIP I asked her to take Plan be just in case and paid for it.

I agree with you on all your pointers. Though I never show my pic before the meet and greet, so it wastes some of my time. I guess I'm paranoid. In fact, I specifically use Hushed, the app that gives you a phone number to use anonymously. The SA site recommends it in fact. At first, Hushed sucked, because connection was poor and often experienced glitches, but it has worked out their kinks. And you're totally right that if the girl doesn't care what you look like, then they are an escort. And finally, you're exactly right that many of these SA girls can genuinely like you, which is a huge plus.

[Steve 9696]

Maybe I missed it in the long post, but what did these girls look like (including race), and how much did you pay them? Thanks.

All three girls were smoking hot. Girl 1 a solid 9 face and body. Girl 2 more a seven but the way she dolls up with extensions and eyelashes and all she looks an 8 (looks a nine in pics! And Girl 3 Krystal is a 9 face and 8 body. Summary. All smokin hot!

All three were $400. But for my second date with Krystal I had just gotten a huge bonus and gave her $600. This actually seems more appropriate for the date I asked for which was:

Room and sex.

Dinner out.

Drinks out.

Room and sex.

It was a solid 4 hours without even counting her sleeping over which is an amazing benefit. Girl 1 slept over also. That's the amazing thing with SA. They decide what they want to do and it's not transactional.

Oh and I love my mixed girls:
Girl 1 = Black Filipina Italian
Girl 2 = Korean Vietnamese Mexican
Girl 3 = Black And Ukrainian.
I find mixes have the prettiest result.

PS it takes a lot of searching to find the girls that are pretty new to this. Not one of them was like “my regular price is 500” or any of that. I had to work the conversation delicately. I think u get better deals and better experience from girls where they will let u lead them a bit.