Medellin Reports

[Nounce]

I made a date with a chica for 6:30 telling her to message me at 5:45 to confirm she is ready to leave. She does and I give her my address. At 6:20 she messages me to say she finally got a taxi and is on the way. She is 30 minutes away. At 6:50 I ask her to send me her location so I can see where she is. She is still home. I tell her not to come and not to message me again, that I can not trust her. 20 minutes later I get a message from her she is in the taxi 10 minutes away. I tell her to turn around. Then we go through the usually appolgy and begging. She then begs for me to at least pay her taxi. I tell her I am no longer home and blocker her. I tell her not to 'treat the next gringo like an idiot'. Guys here will tell me this is comon. It is comon because Gringos are idiots who let the girls do this to them all the time and wait however long. Gentlemen don't be that idot! I had another girl linds up before she was in her taxi.

Look back in hindsight. I wonder if it's better to keep the date and get her to agree to accept some form of penalty, like paying for taxi, more time, or a rate reduction. This will achieve the goal of teaching her a lesson if she agrees.

I think she may not get the part about idiot gringo because that is not the reason she was late. She may even think it's a crazy gringo and learn nothing because she does not know you.

[Balboa]

If you treat them well and get them to like you, you can let them know that you hate tardiness; next time, they will prioritize you over other things. The older I get, the more I realize that flexing your muscles at an 18-year-old often will not get you what you want. You are on vacation, tranquilo, don't let a few teenage girls push you into stereotyping.

I agree here with SJobs here.

I've been dealing with Colombianas for over 20 years now.

Whether it's respect for you or if they just like you, they will most definitely try / communicate better as far as their arrival punctuality, and everything else as well.

I disagree with the thought from another post that no matter how well you treat them, they will not respect you.

I've found just the opposite actually.

Don't be a fool of course, but a little empathy goes a long way.

Of course when dealing with a new girl, you can articulate your arrival expectations to her, however, her being an unknown, you just really don't know.

If she exceeds your tolerances or continues to lie, I'm with the guys that just cut it loose and move on.
Depends on as well, your desire to see this particular girl, on how much youll put up with.
Flexibility is good, but there are definitely limits.

Regardless of the culture, after a few missed paydays, she will most likely learn.

Unless of course she's some high demand chica who has multiple guys after her and feels she can do as she pleases, and I really avoid that type anyway.

[SlapShot10]

Has anyone stayed here, or heard any positive / negative reviews from a personal friend that has? Specifically, if it is girl-friendly? It looks nice, decent location, price is ok, but I see a lot of women leaving reviews, which leads me to believe there could potentially be issues with guests.

[JjBee62]

My experience is different, in a professional environment, all of my paisa colleagues are very punctual.

An over generalization on my part. In your professional environment, you're probably dealing with estrato 5 and 6, with an occasional 4. In the mongering environment we're seeing estrato 1 and 2 with an occasional 3. The estrato 6 webcam model I worked with was quite dependable.

[ChuchoLoco]

do you honestly think the Colombian girls are showing up on time for the Colombian men? LOL! The Colombian men know that 9:30 means 11:00. Paisas being late has zero to do with gringos. It's the national pasttime. It doesn't matter what type of appointment you're trying to make. They're not going to be on time. Talk to some of the gringos running businesses in Colombia. The clock means almost nothing to them.

I don't try to change an entire country to meet my needs. I don't set myself to get pissed off and fail to succeed at the sole reason why I traveled to the country.

You are so right JjBee! It's their way of life and it's not our mission to change their ways. It's hard for short timers to get used to it but after a while you either get used to it or accept it. If we changed them all to our lifestyles, they'd become American Women and nobody wants that.

To each his own but don't think you will or should change what is part of their culture.

[SJobs]

Paisas being late has zero to do with gringos. It's the national pasttime. It doesn't matter what type of appointment you're trying to make. They're not going to be on time. Talk to some of the gringos running businesses in Colombia. The clock means almost nothing to them.

My experience is different, in a professional environment, all of my paisa colleagues are very punctual.

[Surfer500]

Clearly you have reading comprehension problems. She was over an hour late and lied to me about already being in a taxi for 30 minutes. She sent me several messages saying she was on her way when she had not left yet. I expect the girls to be about 30 minutes late, I plan for that. But more than an hour late combined with lying about being in taxi for 30 minutes is beyond my tolerance. It should be beyond anyones with a shred of self respect. I had a regular who started showing up progressively later. That one was warned. After she arrived to an empty appartment and had to cover her taxi, she was never late again.

Yep, once you bench them and they miss a pay day, guess what, they are like a Swiss Clock.

[Surfer500]

For the guys without a stable, or who only want new girls, it doesn't work. She's not going to learn from the experience and the next guy will probably have the same problem. And the monger will likely keep experiencing the same issue.

If you're making an appointment, remember she has a lot more issues to deal with than you. Don't try to set up something last minute. It rarely works with your friends at home, why think it will be any different in another country? Try it sometime. Thursday night, 8:30 pm, call a friend and ask him to meet you at a strip club at 9:15. If he's got a wife, kids, girlfriend, dog, job, etc, he's not going to show.

Plan ahead. Find out when they can be there. If she can be there at 7, tell her 7 is perfect and plan on 8. Hit her up at 6 and see if any issues have come up. Hit her up again at 7. Meanwhile, enjoy your dinner, have a drink, catch up on email and chat up the girls you want for tomorrow. Chances are she'll be at your door between 7:45 and 8:30. You really didn't lose any time and you can enjoy yourself.

Meanwhile she's happy. She gets paid and she doesn't have to deal with an angry confrontation. Happy chicas tend to give better service.

Everybody rolls different and has a different tolerance level in how they personally deal with Chicas being on time. For some, like yourself, if a Chica arrives an hour or too late, no problem. But for others like myself, that doesn't work for me, and others on this board.

You have a lot of patience, which is commendable, and supports how you roll. Some guys have quotas or so many girls they have to see in a day, so a late Chica is going to effect how they roll, where as for you it's not a problem.

The topic was how to deal with late Chica's for timely encounters, and perhaps there is no simple solution, but I suspect the Mongers with strong Spanish communication skills like yourself being an EAFIT Alumni like myself will be much more successful than those relying on translators in having their Chicas be more punctual.

[JjBee62]

Americans take a lot of crap from the girls that's why the chicas don't respect them. Why do you think American women are the snottiest in the world? Because American men would eat their shit to try to boink them. Do you think the chicas would do the same thing to Colombian men? Hell no, they'll be on time.

I don't mind a girl being late. If we make an arrangement at 10.00 am to meet at 4. 00 pm and 4. 00 pm comes and you tell me you are in a taxi 20 minutes away, no worries. If half an hour after that I call and you say sorry you are about to leave home I say f..k that BS and have nothing more to do with her. Its a pity that American men accustomed to American women's haughtiness will put their tail between their legs and tell the chicas "okay honey" just because they're hoping get some tail.

It appears you are confused about the meaning of respect. 99% of these girls have no respect for you, me or any other monger. They're showing up to do a job, usually for a complete stranger. You can treat them like shit, or you can treat them like a queen and you'll end up with the same amount of respect. The bottom line is did you pay? If so, then they'll decide whether it's worth seeing you again. Nothing to do with respect, just her evaluation of the work environment.

You honestly think the Colombian girls are showing up on time for the Colombian men? LOL! The Colombian men know that 9:30 means 11:00. Paisas being late has zero to do with gringos. It's the national pasttime. It doesn't matter what type of appointment you're trying to make. They're not going to be on time. Talk to some of the gringos running businesses in Colombia. The clock means almost nothing to them.

I always get some "tail" when I want. No hoping required. I also rarely have any problems with girls being late, even though girls are always late. It's simple. I understand how things work. I don't try to change an entire country to meet my needs. I don't set myself to get pissed off and fail to succeed at the sole reason why I traveled to the country.

I'll repeat it again. Work into their schedule, instead of working them into your schedule. Adjust your expectations to fit their reality. Surely you've been around women at some point in your life. What does it mean when a woman (any nationality) tells you "I'll be ready in 5 minutes?" It means, sit down and get comfortable, you've got at least 20 minutes to kill. If you tell her to meet you at a restaurant at 9 pm, she's not walking in until 9:15. Colombians are no different. Set something up for 4 pm, when a taxi is going to take 30-45 minutes to get to you and she's still not walking out the door until 4:15. Very few of them will ever think about the travel time or traffic.

If you know she's not leaving until 4:15 for your 4 pm appointment, then why hold the unreasonable expectation that she'll be at your door at 4:20 or 4:30? Set your appointment at 3 and she'll be there between 4 and 4:30. Set it for 4 and she'll arrive between 5 and 5:30. Tell her one time and expect the other. Consider it a different time zone, if that helps.

Is your method working? How often do you have an issue with a girl being seriously late, or telling her not to bother coming? How often do you have to resort to a backup plan? What's the average wait time for plan "be" to arrive?

My method works for me over 90% of the time. I don't have to scramble to find a replacement. I don't have to wait for the replacement. I don't have to deal with finding a replacement for the replacement, because she's not going to be on time either.

[Charm City Dave]

And you say you gave her a whole 20 minutes before you.

Clearly you have reading comprehension problems. She was over an hour late and lied to me about already being in a taxi for 30 minutes. She sent me several messages saying she was on her way when she had not left yet. I expect the girls to be about 30 minutes late, I plan for that. But more than an hour late combined with lying about being in taxi for 30 minutes is beyond my tolerance. It should be beyond anyones with a shred of self respect. I had a regular who started showing up progressively later. That one was warned. After she arrived to an empty appartment and had to cover her taxi, she was never late again.

[Mr Enternational]

We are laughing, joking, having a nice time when out of no were she stands up and says you son of the***** you changed beers with me.

I sure hope you said, Damn right I did!

[SJobs]

Americans take a lot of crap from the girls that's why the chicas don't respect them. Why do you think American women are the snottiest in the world? Because American men would eat their shit to try to boink them. Do you think the chicas would do the same thing to Colombian men? Hell no, they'll be on time.

I don't mind a girl being late. If we make an arrangement at 10.00 am to meet at 4. 00 pm and 4. 00 pm comes and you tell me you are in a taxi 20 minutes away, no worries. If half an hour after that I call and you say sorry you are about to leave home I say f..k that BS and have nothing more to do with her. Its a pity that American men accustomed to American women's haughtiness will put their tail between their legs and tell the chicas "okay honey" just because they're hoping get some tail.

You have to manage your expectations. I don't think it has anything to do with being an American; it is just common sense. Most of the girls I see are between 18 - 21; there is no way they can think like someone in their 30's. Being punctual and professional is the last thing they care about at that age. If an 18-year-old is overly obsessed about punctuality and professionalism, then I don't want to spend time with her. In my experience, it's much easier to run a quick and simple analysis in your head to predict their actual arrival time than trying to change the behavior of an 18-21-year-old. Open communication helps, talk to them, check their status, you can quickly tell whether they are juggling between multiple guys they are banging or truly stuck in traffic.

If you treat them well and get them to like you, you can let them know that you hate tardiness; next time, they will prioritize you over other things. The older I get, the more I realize that flexing your muscles at an 18-year-old often will not get you what you want. You are on vacation, tranquilo, don't let a few teenage girls push you into stereotyping.

[TjBrazil]

For the members that say Colombian men don't put up with tardiness from the girls. How do you know this. Seems like a blanket statement. I imagine they are late with everyone. I have Mongered in many countries and girls are always late period. It's not a American guy thing. Do you guys poll Colombian guys to come to this conclusion. I grew up with sisters and they always hogged the bathroom for hours. It's just a girl thing, and you combine the fact they are hookers and want to say yes to whatever time you say makes it worse. When I was in Brazil all the Brazilian guys said Brazilian girls are always late. They would tell me subtract a minimum of 30 minutes from the actual time you want them there.

[SJobs]

As for apps, Duolingo is the best app I have found. It has a free version and an paid that works offline. It is designed for anyone (any idiot like me) it builds you up slowly from simple to complex sentences. .

Thanks for the recommendation. Duolingo is incredible, I've downloaded it, and I currently spend about 1.5 hours a day on it. Little did I know, after spending 70+ days in Medellin in the last six months, I picked up quite a bit of Spanish already.

If you want to spend money, buy Rocket Spanish program. I bought the third level (last level) because I had already gained a lot of progress, but you might start the first level. Great program, but a little expensive at 150 a level.

Takes time. But so fucking worth it.

Thank you so much for your advice. I don't mind spending some money to learning Spanish, and I will give Rocket's Spanish program a try, probably start with the trial version. I am debating between getting a private tutor, attend a group class, and assign up for an online tutor program. Regardless of which option I choose, I will keep practice daily on Duolingo.

[Turgid]

Do you honestly believe that's how you earn respect? For anyone who served in the military, think about the people who you respected the most. Were they the ones who were always yelling about everything? The ones just looking for a chance to chew someone's ass? Or were they the ones who made you feel appreciated?

At least in the Navy, your method of earning respect guaranteed at some point you were going to be drinking urine, from a cup that several guys had rimmed.

You don't have to take BS. Manage the situation. Find out her schedule. Allow some flexibility. Maintain communication. State your scheduling requirements. If you want her there at 7, because you've got someone else coming at 10, let her know.

Americans take a lot of crap from the girls that's why the chicas don't respect them. Why do you think American women are the snottiest in the world? Because American men would eat their shit to try to boink them. Do you think the chicas would do the same thing to Colombian men? Hell no, they'll be on time.

I don't mind a girl being late. If we make an arrangement at 10.00 am to meet at 4. 00 pm and 4. 00 pm comes and you tell me you are in a taxi 20 minutes away, no worries. If half an hour after that I call and you say sorry you are about to leave home I say f..k that BS and have nothing more to do with her. Its a pity that American men accustomed to American women's haughtiness will put their tail between their legs and tell the chicas "okay honey" just because they're hoping get some tail.