Seeking Arrangements

[Pessimist]

Moneysign. Wow, so many questions I like it that while asking your questions, you wrote up your own synopsis of the thread reports. Good job.

I have used SecretBenefit and Sugardaddie. I liked the quality, quantity, and pricing structure of SA the most and have stayed with them for the most amount of time. Occasionally I have delayed renewal when my 3 month subscription ran out, but have always come back inside a few weeks. I don't like the SecretBenefit fee structure, and have felt that the quality was lacking and the good ones were already known to me through SA. Keep in mind that many girls may register on multiple sites. The benefits of being on multiple sites for them is obvious but for the guys it is deminimus as we will end up paying subscription fee many times over and yet will not see a vastly increased selection.

Also, sugar babe economics are vastly different from an FKK club. I prefer FKKs with 200 pretty girls. It is a place to take 25 fuck sessions in a week vacation, cum 15 times and do a lot of 50 Euro sessions. When you were a kid and went to the candy store, you probably wanted to bite a piece of each type of candy. That is what an FKK is for me. Sample as many sluts as possible. Sugar babe sites are different. A large amount of work goes into it before you ever get to fuck a girl. There are endless number of clicks through sites, texting back and forth (with those who reply back — more than 50% of the girls never reply back to your initial text, because they are receiving literally 100 messages a day, promising the moon and stars from a lot of guys, probably many guys are fakes and cheats themselves), eventually agreeing to meet for some sort of get to know type drink / lunch, and if you can come to a good agreement then the fuck. If you are single, you may host her her at your place, she *may* host you at her place, or else you have to rent a hotel (for married guys, hotel is the only option unless you have some kinda open marriage). BTW, many girls are indeed flakes. Even after you agree on the details and you agree to meet at the hotel, and you rent a room and text her the room number, she may get cold feet and drop out at the last minute and you have paid room rent for nothing, plus wasted a large amount of time. This sort of thing does not happen with a girl you are repeating, but a first time fuck is never a guaranteed thing until you have your dick in her pussy. This is an advantage of FKK over sugar babe stuff, there is no chance you will not fuck a girl after you both agreed to the terms.

In general, sugar babe logistics are definitely more complicated if you are married. I have freely admitted I am married. I will not give away my secrets how I manage this side of my life, nor will I tell you how I sneak away to FKKs for weeks in a year. I have zero intention of my comfy life falling apart because I am too forthcoming on this site; logistics are definitely easier to plan if you are single. You may have more money available to pay for fuck activity in general. You may also not care about your identity disclosure, but that is for each person to decide. Girls blackmailing you for child support or other stuff is a risk, a SMALL risk but A risk in my view, but if she does not know your identity she does not have this option. So that is one reason to keep it a secret, to the extent possible. BTW, I fucked only *a few*girls bareback, not all of them.

Girls will turn you down, because this is an arrangement, not a brothel. These girls are not prostitutes, cannot emphasize that enough. There may be a few prostitutes on these sites, but most of the girls are not. If I had to do a breakdown, I would say 20% of the girls are absolute scam artists who Are on the site just to scam some easy money from first timers and gullible men, 20% to 30% are girls who will not meet and want to sell pictures and videos for money, 10% to 20% may be girls who are willing to meet but will be only platonic initially or forever, and the rest are willing to have sex. But even among the girls who are willing to fuck, they will be choosy because they can afford to be. Many guys are chasing them, especially the more attractive ones. BTW, these percentages are based on my own approaches to the girls and I only approach girls with specific characteristics (age 25, white / Fair skinned Latino, slim bodies, pretty face, no excessive tats). I don't know what those percentages would be if I relaxed my specs.

You need to decide how much you want to spend per month or in total and then have a plan. Can you host her for the fuck session whenever that happens? (Some girls may prefer the first fuck session to be in a hotel because you might turn out to be psycho in bed). If your budget is a couple of grand a month, you can reasonably expect 4 to 6 sessions in a month. Obviously, not having to pay for hotel rent will save you $50 to $150 per rental. Where will you do your first time meet and greet? If you have to take her to expensive dinners, that activity itself will set you back several hundred dollars a month. Some guys try to impress girls with how much wealth they have and take the girls to very high end diners or concerts etc (typically the ones who are not that well off are the ones trying to impress the most. I know this because when I was younger and had less money, I wanted to impress people. Now, I have a lot more and don't give a fuck what people think of me and my spending habits because I feel secure in my own skin now).

If you are going to be happy with a single girl in a regular / long term arrangement, you can stretch your budget. I have received offers from young college pretty girls who asked for $1000 to $1200 per month and in return they would meet once or twice a week. Some are willing to host. If you can find two such girls, you can stretch your budget and have 2 to 3 fuck sessions a week and still come under $2 K to $2. 5 K a month. You can see why this makes sense to a college girl. If she finds you reasonably attractive, you are effectively paying her room rent and some spending money and in return she has her own sexual needs taken care of. Not a bad choice, as she may have been fucking an immature classmate who may also be a fat slob and makes her pay for his lunch. Seen from the eyes of a college girl, a 40 year old guy who is in shape and has good manners and some worldly success and money to spend is a good fuck buddy, and the money you give is icing on the cake.

A lot of this obviously depends on where you live. Kansas City is less expensive than SF or Boston. If you are lucky enough to make $300 K annually and are single in Kansas City, yes you can have a lot of fun.

[MoneySign]

I've been following and gathering info from this thread for many weeks as I've been learning the ropes of SA. I have also read some reviews about other sites like Sugardaddie, SecretBenefit and WhatsYourPrice. I think WYP and SA are owned by the same owner. Has any of you tried those ones out? SA seems to be the most expensive one.

I'm a newbie to this kind of arrangement thing. My understanding is that getting into a relationship with a babe on SA is kind of like renting a GF for lack of better words. Right? As I read it somewhere, in an ideal arrangement, you and your date would be like in a real GF / BF relationship only when you're together. When you're apart, you live separate lives and respect each other privacy. It's like she's playing a GF role when you two spend time together. Is that how you characterize it?

With that in mind, when you're having fun together with your SA 'GF', wouldn't you intimately involved in DFK, BBBJ, even bb in everything as if you're in a real romantic relationship? Yes? That would be a great incentive of finding someone from SA as if she's your 'exclusive' GF that you can do bb with. Otherwise, it would be better off to find an escort or visit FKK clubs. Do you see it that way? Have you guys been with an SA girl who would not allow DFK or bb all the way?

Sorry, it is an expression I picked up on German FKK. It means sex without condom. I would never take such a chance with a prostitute but have done with a few sugar babes.

Since these gals are not pros, the risks associated with AO are less, especially if you and your SB are exclusive, which is what I often aim for.

I'm curious if you made sure that she's on some kind of birth control or asked her to take the morning after pills or something. Otherwise, wouldn't you worry that if she ends up getting pregnant, she would go after you for child support? As you may have followed the news, Hunter Biden got sued for child support by a stripper because he got her pregnant.

Oh and I do agree with u though that real SA girls are not willing to fuck a fat slob for money. In fact the moment it smells vaguely like sex for money u are done. You have to have at least decent looks and some game if u wanna close the hotties and they wont meet u without a pic. I would never post on SA but will text an unsearchable pic after we are comfy.

Did you imply that if a guy is unattractive or below average look, he would have no luck on SA with a young college hottie even if he is highly successful with a lot of cash laying around? That would suck. In an FKK, you can be a fat slob and can still fuck a 8 or above. It's not like that on SA? I thought the SA ladies have an implicit understanding (without saying or admitting) that they exchange intimacy for gift $. No?

There is a lot of ways she can find your name if you are not careful. Put the name, geographical location, and approx age, and you are easily unmasked. Even more so if you own property.

I totally agree with you that it is easy for the gal to know your real identity. It is almost impossible to hide it if you are going to spend quality time (e. G. , dinners, drinks, site-seeing, shows, etc.) with any SB. If you are just meeting for naughty fun only, then maybe it's possible. To me, it was just unbelievable how many of them viewed my LinkedIn profile, which meant that eventually they figured out my real name.

I understand perfectly that if you're married or in a committed relationship, you want to keep your SA activities secret. I got that. On the other hand, if you're not married, single without dependents, not in any kind of relationship, and not famous, what's the down side of letting your SA girls know who you are? In that case, why would you be so paranoid about that? Are you afraid of being judged or being robbed? I assume you would never bring her home, and she would not know where you live anyway. Am I too naive? Regarding to LinkedIn, you can disable profile view for any member who is not within your network. You have control over that.

But definitely only show your pic when it is requested. Don't just display it for anyone to see. I also had a pic on my bio, but only showed it when I was sure the person was not someone that I knew from work or from my circle of friends. It would be embarrassing if my coworker or my friend's daughter saw my pic on that site.

If your coworkers recognize you on SA, then they can be just as guilty or embarrassed (or whatever adjective you have in mind) as you're by being on that site to begin with. Agree? You may be stigmatized, judged, or embarrassed for being on SA by them just as much as they would be by you since you're all on the same site. It goes both way. Doesn't it? Just like the old saying goes, don't throw stones when you live in a glass house. That's how I see it.

In my city, there are so many fakes and flakes on SA. If you hit up white girls in the 18-25 range with attractive photos and slim bodies, only a small percent even respond back.

That made me wonder. You mean white girls in that age range are mostly faked or have higher expectation, demand, or requirement? Would it be very likely that these girls select their potential SDs based on certain physical attributes such as age, ethnicity, height, look, but NOT just based on the SD's spending power which is the whole concept of SA? It's pretty much a two way street sort of thing. Right? If the ladies are that selective because they get too many messages, that tells me that there are more men than women on SA which is opposite from what SA has advertised for. What's your observation?

So I often hope for instant chemistry, so that we can just waltz to the hotel room, so sometimes I roll the dice and book a room for the first date.

If I am on the road and already have a hotel, I can ask the girl to meet at my hotel.

I can not imagine any intelligent college educated girl would go to the room upon first meet. If she is truly a regular girl and not a hardened pro, I just can not believe she would go to the room with a guy whom she just met on the first date regardless of how the chemistry turns out to be. A decent girl would not just do that. I have a feeling that some SA ladies are probably escorts. In fact, I believe even more that many are probably professional SBs who use the SA site for making money as an ongoing part-time job to supplement their incomes. They're technically not escorts per se, but they are professional SBs. There is a slight distinction here. Wouldn't you agree?

Men are all posting their net worth on the website for everyone to see.

Come on dude! You can not possibly believe those net worth. LOL. I'll take it with a grain of salt. I bet most college educated girls won't take that literally either. When I sign up, I'll probably post my net worth as if I'm a millionaire even though I'm not. LOL.

[PrickPriority]

I have never asked for nor sought exclusivity. But in my view, many girls did not have more than one arrangement at a given time anyway. Many have their normal life and were supplementing their normal income with a little extra from being a sugar babe. If you want a girl to be exclusive to you, you should definitely ask. If the girl is willing to have sex with you, she will seriously consider your request. She may use your request to extract a bit more money from you but I don't think she would dump you just because you asked for exclusivity. In fact many girls even say in their profiles that they want monogamous arrangements.

I met a few that were treating dates as possible one-offs and so I treated those dates the same way. But for most of the gals, they wanted only one SD. Of course, if you only see them a couple of times a month, then they'll look for another SD, just like any normal GF would look for a new BF if she feels unwanted.

I see. Thank you. Also given the chance to make more money, I don't think many of them would go for one SD. BBFS is one of my motivations for the monogamous arrangements but mainly I just don't want to worry about catching anything right now. Looking to turn my wishful thinking into action maybe next month, but I bet I'll have to rummage through a lot more useless profiles because of the chaos.

[Midwestern]

Sorry, it is an expression I picked up on German FKK. It means sex without condom. I would never take such a chance with a prostitute but have done with a few sugar babes.

Yeah, this is another appealing aspect of SA. Being able to bareback. These days, I have almost no interest in CFS.

[Midwestern]

Steve and Jimmy Boy, thanks for the enlightenment. Speaking of AO, that's another benefit of SA, IMHO. Since these gals are not pros, the risks associated with AO are less, especially if you and your SB are exclusive, which is what I often aim for. Incidentally, I have discovered that more gals are willing to do AO after these lockdowns. Well, that's been true in Shanghai, where things are almost back to normal. Some MP gals are even willing to do AO at their shops, because they are desperate for money. I am torn about this, of course. I know that no pussy is worth the risk, but I just love the feeling of AO and it's hard to go back to covered if one has been doing AO on occasion.

[Jimmy Boy 99]

It's a German phrase. It means bareback fucking. Short for two German words that start with A and O but they escape me as I don't speak German.

Alles ohn: everything without.

[Pessimist]

Forgot to say, AO. Alles ohne, IE all without.

[Pessimist]

At pessimist. I have seen this expression AO fuck, but I never 100% know what it meant. Adults only? Anal only?.

Sorry, it is an expression I picked up on German FKK. It means sex without condom. I would never take such a chance with a prostitute but have done with a few sugar babes.

[Steve 9696]

At pessimist. I have seen this expression AO fuck, but I never 100% know what it meant. Adults only? Anal only?

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It's a German phrase. It means bareback fucking. Short for two German words that start with A and O but they escape me as I don't speak German.

[Midwestern]

At pessimist. I have seen this expression AO fuck, but I never 100% know what it meant. Adults only? Anal only?

Prices in London were pretty high. It being an expensive city, even just OK looking girls gave high quotes. I ended up not taking any meets.

In Germany and Spain, I was able to obtain meets for 200 Euros or a bit less. In itself that is not too cheap, as local fuck houses and bordellos are able to provide sessions at that price or even less. But the sugar babe sessions were longer, in my own hotel room, and included unlimited DFK, ball licking and other such things and I was happy with the quality. Another thing I enjoy in own hotel room is a nice fresh shower together. A few girls let me do AO fuck in shower which is also a huge positive.

Prices may be a bit less now given the tough economic conditions. I can easily imagine that many girls are desperate for money. If you didnot see a big dent in personal fortune due to stock markets dip, your money will go much farther these days than even 3 months ago.

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[Pessimist]

How much are the girls in Berlin and the rest of Germany usually asking for a date on seeking arrangement? Obviously now is not a good time to date for health reasons but how much Were the girls asking for before the Corona crisis?

In Berlin, Barcelona, and London it's already possible For locals to get a date Not using seeking arrangement for a few hours for 150-200 euros. And in Montral It cost pretty much the same 300 Canadian dollars Which Equals approximately US Dollars $214. Some girls on Seeking arrangement may actually be a little bit more expensive But some girls have lower prices too.

Prices in London were pretty high. It being an expensive city, even just OK looking girls gave high quotes. I ended up not taking any meets.

In Germany and Spain, I was able to obtain meets for 200 Euros or a bit less. In itself that is not too cheap, as local fuck houses and bordellos are able to provide sessions at that price or even less. But the sugar babe sessions were longer, in my own hotel room, and included unlimited DFK, ball licking and other such things and I was happy with the quality. Another thing I enjoy in own hotel room is a nice fresh shower together. A few girls let me do AO fuck in shower which is also a huge positive.

Prices may be a bit less now given the tough economic conditions. I can easily imagine that many girls are desperate for money. If you didnot see a big dent in personal fortune due to stock markets dip, your money will go much farther these days than even 3 months ago.

[DramaFree11]

I have been using that site for about 3 years now mostly in philly erea tons of college girls on there and they are legit I went ti their dorms LOL the average price I'm getting is 300 but I do get 200 ones for a really cute 19 to 23 yr old college cutie when I hit 24 to 39 year olds they push for 400 up they been in the game and know what's up I have gotten free ones on there from lonely girls who want a semi decent boyfriend also. NYC erea start at 400 up for a girl that's a 7 up I have gotten models at that price had one from England was here for photo shoots Saw all the work and took her to the photo shoot also.

I travel the world to monger but in the USA SA is hands down the best.

I am thinking about getting back on in Austin and San Antonio. I will only pay $300, moving forward, but I will wait for restaurants to open up. I am not worried about the Virus. I prefer the first meeting to be in public for obvious reasons.

I am having a lot of success in MYY, meeting some great girls.

[Member #4665]

How much are the girls in Berlin and the rest of Germany usually asking for a date on seeking arrangement? Obviously now is not a good time to date for health reasons but how much Were the girls asking for before the Corona crisis?

In Berlin, Barcelona, and London it's already possible For locals to get a date Not using seeking arrangement for a few hours for 150-200 euros. And in Montral It cost pretty much the same 300 Canadian dollars Which Equals approximately US Dollars $214. Some girls on Seeking arrangement may actually be a little bit more expensive But some girls have lower prices too .

[Romeo Joe]

I have been using that site for about 3 years now mostly in philly erea tons of college girls on there and they are legit I went ti their dorms LOL the average price I'm getting is 300 but I do get 200 ones for a really cute 19 to 23 yr old college cutie when I hit 24 to 39 year olds they push for 400 up they been in the game and know what's up I have gotten free ones on there from lonely girls who want a semi decent boyfriend also. NYC erea start at 400 up for a girl that's a 7 up I have gotten models at that price had one from England was here for photo shoots Saw all the work and took her to the photo shoot also.

I travel the world to monger but in the USA SA is hands down the best.

[Pessimist]

What a difference 6 weeks make?

The number of really pretty girls that are saying "lost my job due to quarantine, will do anything for some financial help" has gone up exponentially, almost as fast as the virus infections did. LOL.