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[Pessimist]

Let's just say "beyond the reach of LE" is a bit too optimistic, pessimist? And LE isn't the worst part. I wouldn't even care about some shitty fine. It's what comes after it. When it's your public record, when you lose your job, and your reputation is destroyed. A career built many years and now down the drain. At least for me, and I am sure for many others on this forum, this obsession with public shaming in US and astronomically disproportionate risk taking when buying sex, what really turns off any appetite for mongering in this country.

Risk, like many other things, falls somewhere between 0% and 100%, right?! 100% being total ruin. I am not saying it is 0% but the question is what is an acceptable amount and what is the trade off you are willing to accept.

Say, for example, the next time you are in a FKK. A fire breaks out and you are half burnt. The news is shown globally, you may be caught on TV as you are rescued. Your spouse and co workers come to know. Or, some other accident or even a fight happens and you are caught in the middle and again your wife knows about it back home. It is not a 100% risk but it is most definitely not 0% either. You just think it is low enough and are wiling to accept it for the sake of pleasure you are obtaining in the club.

In the paragraph below, I did not say all the sugarbabe meets are 0% risk. What I was referring to very specifically was meeting with girls who were already my existing sugar babes and with who I had some connection and sex in the past. If you meet such a girl for a dinner and then move onto sex at a hotel room later, you are hardly making any reference to any sex discussion, money discussion because both parties know what to expect.

Generally, to the extent possible, I try not to have sex on the first day I meet these sugar babes. That is me.

You are right, it is unpleasant to even contemplate the risks we have in US in such situations, but in my view, the risk can be managed with some common sense on our part and general precautions. As Mongerer88 said, generally sting operations are quite rare and if you saty below the radar and be sensible and have your wits about you, you don't need to be totally celibate in the US.

[Mongerer88]

Let's just say "beyond the reach of LE" is a bit too optimistic, pessimist? And LE isn't the worst part. I wouldn't even care about some shitty fine. It's what comes after it. When it's your public record, when you lose your job, and your reputation is destroyed. A career built many years and now down the drain. At least for me, and I am sure for many others on this forum, this obsession with public shaming in US and astronomically disproportionate risk taking when buying sex, what really turns off any appetite for mongering in this country.

You are falling into the traps quite nicely that have been set for you.

There is an enormous difference between what law enforcement does in a fake ad sting on Backpage with explicit texts, and what law enforcement simply cannot do in a scenario involving either Sugar Baby sites and even with reviewed independent escorts who have their own websites and screen.

If you would study actual arrests and police procedures in the USA You would realize this. I suppose it is possible, although not likely, for the police to do a fake Sugar Baby profile and immediately take the conversation to text with explicit sex for money discussions, but any reasonable customer should not reply to such texts. It actually isn't the private sex in a one-on-one environment that gets you arrested in the USA, it is the solicitation. If it is the sex that gets you arrested, which is very rare, it will occur at a facility where others are having sex, also.

Law Enforcement in the USA Does not create fake websites for relatively expensive independent escorts, do screening, and manage to get fake reviews from experienced reviewers.

There are ways to do this activity in the USA That costs a lot of money but generates zero risk of arrest and exposure. The hassle is the money and the uncertainty of the services that will be provided. When you really are buying time and companionship, the sex is legal, but by definition uncertain.

But USA Law enforcement thanks you for perpetuating the types of myths that exist. And there is no shortage of lower-priced sex transactions outside the realm of legal safety for it to make arrests. Lots of no-screening ads, massage parlors out in the open, and street walkers.

[Sirioja]

Siri, how do you remember the exact day of your visit to which club? Do you keep diary or something?

Yes, Kebab can be good food for FKK and it is easier to make good one than other food. I hope they just make kebab stand or pasta stand at FKK, so food cannot go that wrong. And good salad bar. That is all they need. It is when they try to do barbecue etc. Things tend to go bit wrong LOL.

During my studies and army, I was trained for memory, but I remember because I'm different, I don't go to empty balls, I go to dream, empty balls are just little death, sweet enjoyable dreams even sometimes bad end, are in your mind, so much more enjoyable than just fucking a piece of meat. I remember 1 year after I stopped with her when she was my best pleasure, on first time she saw me with Daniela, I didn't know they knew before LR because living in same Romanian town, but I saw her eyes. I m sure she would have told me again: You humiliate me again, when I really didn't know about this, but was so happy about what Daniela told me about her, because truth she told me when she started, before changing for money. After beauty and charm, behavior is the most important for me. Girls also remember a lot, at least with me.

[Smoke Light]

The good thing about sugar babe sites is that over time, you can accumulate several contacts in many cities including phone numbers, IG / Snap etc. If you meet any of them for a dinner and then a fuck session, there is nothing illegal and not a thing that LE can do about it. You both know each other, know what's on each one's mind, know all the details including prices and expected money. Such sessions feel quite natural and beyond the reach of any LE officer.

Let's just say "beyond the reach of LE" is a bit too optimistic, pessimist? And LE isn't the worst part. I wouldn't even care about some shitty fine. It's what comes after it. When it's your public record, when you lose your job, and your reputation is destroyed. A career built many years and now down the drain. At least for me, and I am sure for many others on this forum, this obsession with public shaming in US and astronomically disproportionate risk taking when buying sex, what really turns off any appetite for mongering in this country.

[The Cane]

Aren't we lucky as a man? What we dreamed of when we were teen became into reality. I have been mongering the best girls since age 17, but it was always harder to find stunner girls before as I only go with stunners, but when I found FKK, number of stunners I find and I fucked accelerated. FKK is truly the best platform of brothel out there. Thanks to Germany, Switzerland and Austria. It is something to do with German speaking country and freedom like access to good sex with good quality girls. German speakers are kinky LOL!

You can't cay Germany is the best until you have been to all of the top mongering destinations in the world. You have not been to Brazil, and I say confidently to thee that Brazilian Portuguese speakers are the kinky best! Germany is second. As a matter of full disclosure, I have not been to the Dominican Republic. At the same time, I don't see to many people saying the DR is the best, and I seriously doubt I would either based on all of the research I have done and the intelligence I have gathered. Brazil rules! But for purposes of this thread, we can go with Germany LOL!

[Mr Ho]

I agree it is more of a "kept woman" as you said. You are also right that she didn't do anal. I did her many times before she worked in that high-end sex club. She told me that she didn't do anal, although I never asked her to do it because anal is not my thing.

I would imagine that the incall brothels in New York would be very difficult to survive nowadays if they advertize.

You just have to go to FKK JFK Airport, then you will arrive at transit points of your choice which is one of German airport, then off you go directly to your final destination FKK whatever you have chosen.

We. Fly in mongers have to go through above process instead of wasting money on some useless escorts or strip clubs etc Like are Kelly said, I believe I can fly, I believe I can tough the sky, well we mongers did and we are fine, are Kelly did in his home nation USA and look where he is at now, prison.

[Pistons]

Because riots, be it in Hong Kong, or some US BLM riot all boils down to the economy. And other motives, usually good motives, normally get used instead.

Monger board riots against facial masks, or Berlin riots against corona restrictions, are other results of the same thing: lost jobs, and a dysfunctional financial system balancing on a knives edge, not able to automatically respond.

[Turgid]

.........The most expensive sex establishment I have been to in my life is an illegal members-only sex club in New York. The hourly rate of the girls there was from $1000 to $1500. Remember that was the price over 20 years ago.............

In the 1970's and 1980's I was not as well off as I am now but fortunately the prices I paid were much less. One of my favorite places was smack in the middle of 42nd street. You go up the stairs and you see a glass wall and glass door with about 10 girls sitting around in lingerie on the other side, you pay the guy at the door $12 and you get let in, you choose your girl and pay her on average $20 for 20 minutes. You enter a room and do the deed. If you are not finished by 20 minutes a huge muscle bound guy enters the room without knocking and says time is up. In those days I had no problem coming in 20 minutes, many times I was fully dressed by then. Even at those prices I could not afford to go often, perhaps once or twice per week.

[Mr Ho]

I love kebab, ate whole night until 4 am at Samya, was also quite good at Velbert on Fridays and Saturdays on 2016/2017. I don't fuck before eating. On Sunday 12 March 2017, just arriving at LR, my best ever girl came straight to me even before I saw her, telling me: If you want me, I want to go with you. She usually weekly started her day with me. One of our best room in 21 in sunlight with her exceptional behavior, but after 1 h30 in bed, I went straight to eat just after.

Siri, how do you remember the exact day of your visit to which club? Do you keep diary or something?

Yes, Kebab can be good food for FKK and it is easier to make good one than other food. I hope they just make kebab stand or pasta stand at FKK, so food cannot go that wrong. And good salad bar. That is all they need. It is when they try to do barbecue etc. Things tend to go bit wrong LOL.

[Sirioja]

Since the owner of Artemis is Turkish guy, it is better for Artemis to stick to Turkish food only and kebab.

I do not go to FKK to eat, but it would be nicer if the food in FKK is nicer.

I love kebab, ate whole night until 4 am at Samya, was also quite good at Velbert on Fridays and Saturdays on 2016/2017. I don't fuck before eating. On Sunday 12 March 2017, just arriving at LR, my best ever girl came straight to me even before I saw her, telling me: If you want me, I want to go with you. She usually weekly started her day with me. One of our best room in 21 in sunlight with her exceptional behavior, but after 1 h30 in bed, I went straight to eat just after.

[ExpatLover]

EL: I used to book many escort when I see the photos from villa-Venezia for sure I will never go there, all is photoshop and smell the cheating.

[Bfsie]

The concept of a "sugar baby" is nothing new. It's just been called different things over time. What you're talking about here is more of a "kept woman". And I bet for all that money she wasn't even doing anal!

I agree it is more of a "kept woman" as you said. You are also right that she didn't do anal. I did her many times before she worked in that high-end sex club. She told me that she didn't do anal, although I never asked her to do it because anal is not my thing.

The two ladies I see in NYC now aren't going to get taken off the market. They both charge a lot, have other jobs, are very independent, and have relationships with other girls. One said she sometimes books other female sex workers for sessions. Independents by nature, particularly if they have worked in the industry for a while, are unlikely to put too many eggs in one basket.

I would imagine that the incall brothels in New York would be very difficult to survive nowadays if they advertize.

[HammerTime96]

Recently I drove past Saarlouis in Saarland, and after viewing the line up of ladies (see link below), I was highly tempted to try a visit at Villa Venetia.

https://www.villa-venezia.de/en/ladies.html

However when you click on a photo, you see the following warning in German: "WICHTIGER HINWEIS WEGEN Covid19:

Alle Services können geändert oder nicht erlaubt sein. Aktuelle Informationen bitte per E-Mail oder telefonisch erfagen!

Rough translation: "Important notice due to Covid19; all services can be either changed or not allowed. Please call or email for current information. "

Not wanting to get ripped off, and not wanting to fuck a girl wearing one of those face diapers, I didn't even bother to call.

[The Cane]

I was joking a little about her being his sugar baby because she moved in to this guy's house although she still kept her own apartment. Presumably this dude thought they were in an exclusive SD / SB relationship, which means she was only having sex with him. So the relationship is a little different from sugar baby we understand now. I would say he rented her.

In addition, she was a 19-year-old model in NY and, in my opinion, could easily beat any WG in FKK clubs I have seen in terms of look and figure. So I think that 20 K to 25 K a month is not overpriced in New York.

The concept of a "sugar baby" is nothing new. It's just been called different things over time. What you're talking about here is more of a "kept woman". And I bet for all that money she wasn't even doing anal!

[Mongerer88]

I was joking a little about her being his sugar baby because she moved in to this guy's house although she still kept her own apartment. Presumably this dude thought they were in an exclusive SD / SB relationship, which means she was only having sex with him. So the relationship is a little different from sugar baby we understand now. I would say he rented her.

In addition, she was a 19-year-old model in NY and, in my opinion, could easily beat any WG in FKK clubs I have seen in terms of look and figure. So I think that 20 K to 25 K a month is not overpriced in New York.

You reminded me of a funny story. The best looking lady I ever saw in New York City was a blond Ukrainian long ago in a makeshift brothel on Water Street, which is right by Wall Street. Huge apartment with three bedrooms and a very large living room. This was before the Cyclones of Shit in New York City, so all they wanted as screening was an out-of-state license. I had read on a review board that she was brand new and smoking hot. I got there too early after making an appointment for a specific time and was informed that she was running late. The place was hilarious in that they truly had curtains and ropes in strategic positions to try to make it so that customers did not see each other. I was placed in the huge living room and a chunky Puerto Rican girl with big boobs held my hand while we watched TV and told me she was available if I didn't want to wait. I kept telling myself, Wait, Wait, No Chunky Puerto Rican. Thank God I did. One of the doors opened and I could see a blond girl leading a guy in a suit and tie through the maze. I didn't see distinguishable faces, but he clearly said I will see you tomorrow. She cane out to get me 10-15 minutes later and she was everything she was cracked up to be. She really wasn't that expensive either, although it was long ago. Like $350 or $400 for one hour with two cums (which was less of a problem to accomplish when I was younger). She had just arrived from the Ukraine to study Psychology in college. Sure enough, she was gone from the online roster in about three weeks. Someone took her off the market, clearly. The place on Water Street was gone a year or so later. Someone said the ladies complained about lack of hot water in the winter (too many hot showers I guess), but who knows? The group switched to multiple small incall places by appointment for a while, then eventually disappeared entirely when the scene changed thanks to Giuliani and Bloomberg.

The two ladies I see in NYC now aren't going to get taken off the market. They both charge a lot, have other jobs, are very independent, and have relationships with other girls. One said she sometimes books other female sex workers for sessions. Independents by nature, particularly if they have worked in the industry for a while, are unlikely to put too many eggs in one basket.