Lima

[Tomasb]

Spot on! When I lived in Peru, in Cusco and then Lima, I went up there a couple of times. The water is warmer than the ocean around Lima as it is above the Humboldt current but it's not that warm either. I learned how to surf there with a former Peruvian woman champion so that was a good experience. But the break is very small and lots of competition. Think she still lives there so ask around. However, the town has very little to offer. The bars, such as they are, are located on the main road and you have to dodge the considerable truck traffic on the PanAm highway. A lot of young, rich kids from Lima go there too adding to the weird ambience. Some of the hotel beaches have poor electrical systems in the shower and at least one person has been electrocuted there fiddling with the shower. I don't remember any upscale places but there was a decent place to stay with a pool on the opposite side of the oceanside entering the town. As far as Peru goes, it's about the best they have to offer in terms of beaches but overall it's not so great.

It's not easy to get there either. A long torturous bus ride from Lima or as I did a flight to Piura and then a rattling bus ride to Mancora. Piura is a hole so no need to linger there either. Never saw so many homeless and destitute people and that was several years ago.

Oh, they ARE nice! Brazil has some phenomenal beaches. Like some of the best in the world. Just around Rio, there are Buzios to the north, Angra dos Reis, Ilha Grande, and the whole Costa Verde to the south. And there are equal or even better beaches in other parts of Brazil.

As to Mancora, I once researched it for a weekend with my novia and decided against it. Just couldn't see why I would want to pay a lot of money for what seemed to me like overpriced accommodations coupled with unreliable infrastructure in order to spend a weekend on a lousy beach. Didn't make sense to me.

[Xpartan]

Honestly, I have been underwhelmed with the beaches in South America. Yes, Rio has big ones, but I do not think they were all that nice.

Oh, they ARE nice! Brazil has some phenomenal beaches. Like some of the best in the world. Just around Rio, there are Buzios to the north, Angra dos Reis, Ilha Grande, and the whole Costa Verde to the south. And there are equal or even better beaches in other parts of Brazil.

As to Mancora, I once researched it for a weekend with my novia and decided against it. Just couldn't see why I would want to pay a lot of money for what seemed to me like overpriced accommodations coupled with unreliable infrastructure in order to spend a weekend on a lousy beach. Didn't make sense to me.

[Elvis 2008]

That place sux. But I do understand that it is the best of what they have to work with, so to them it is a good place. Damn sure ain't no Punta Cana or Cancun. It is like a Miraflores with sand instead of rocks. The water is just as cold and just as murky. I was glad I did not lug my scuba gear to that place.

There is a place to swim with the sea turtles that is worth doing but it is cold. The Mancora area is more a place you look at the beach and ocean (and it is beautiful) and swim at the pool rather than the ocean.

You are right. It IS the best Peru has to work with. My ex had the mumps (people still get that there) and I could just tell she needed out of cold and gray Lima so I took her there. The weather was great, like 80 and sunny every day, and the flight there was cheap, but the roads from Piura to Mancora were pothole city.

Honestly, I have been underwhelmed with the beaches in South America. Yes, Rio has big ones, but I do not think they were all that nice. The only country where the beaches are great IMO are in Venezuela and it is hard to get there now. I thought Margarita Island was the place, but my ex mentioned LOS Roques, and when I looked it up, I was stunned at the beauty. The water and sand are Cancun like.

Venezuela is quietly getting more stable. They have a long way to go, but I am thinking of getting a piece of property on a Vennie beach if things continue to improve.

[Elvis 2008]

Others have described an even cheaper way than yours.

Jockey, "for the record", I said Lima was not a good value, and you attacked me and said I was cheap. You then insulted me and again and said my ex-fiance was working the streets. Then I spent too much to bring my ex to Peru. So whatever I spent was too little or too much. And what does that have to do with if Lima is a good value or not? Not a fucking thing which was the point of your post.

The forum is to share information: the good and the bad. When I shared the bad about Lima, you asked why I was posting here; that tells me you have a vested interest in pumping Lima up and reason to attack someone telling the truth about Lima.

It makes no difference to me what folks do or where the travel. I have only helped those who have requested my help to meet chicks while in Lima. I don't make a penny out of that.

I find it hard to believe that you have a stash of college women who just so happen to let you take nude pictures of them and shuffle you off to foreign guys without getting something. Maybe it is not money, but I have a hard time believing it is nothing.

Afterwards, the forum became a bad version of Trip Advisor where misinformation ruled. The hotels were great deals! Well, not so much. The food was cheap! Once again, it was not.

Do you know what it sounds like when you say that WE can say in shit hotels and hitchhike? We should suffer so we have more money to give you and your girls? I would bet against any business or service with that attitude.

There is a lot to like about Lima: moderate climate, beautiful views, altitude near sea level, good cuisine, swimming with the seals, and a country that probably has more tourist attractions than any other in South America. For the world, Lima may be an above average city for mongering. For South America, there is MUCH better.

[Seraph2099]

Machu Picchu (which I'd nominate for the worst food in Latin America).

Agreed. Everything I ate in Aguas Calientes was just so mediocre.

[Jockey16]

Elvis,

Just for the record.

You wrote:

- I get that Jockey has a vested interest in mongers coming to Peru.

It makes no difference to me what folks do or where the travel. I have only helped those who have requested my help to meet chicks while in Lima. I don't make a penny out of that.

You also wrote:

- he told people here that they could come to Peru over cheaper countries by staying in youth hostels and hitch hiking, my jaw dropped.

Perhaps if you read my comments again, you'll find I wrote:

- Others have described an even cheaper way than yours.

That was in response to the suggestion about the Cheapest mongering ways you subscribe to.

Later.

Elvis 2008.

I get that Jockey has a vested interest in mongers coming to Peru but when he told people here that they could come to Peru over cheaper countries by staying in youth hostels and hitch hiking, my jaw dropped.

[Kingpin]

Last year I was at Ibas in Miraflores and during the day they allowed visitors no problems come to the room but has anyone been there recently? Are they allowing vistors?

Or asking for DNI?

[Artisttyp]

Bottom line: you should never assume a mongering country is like it used to be, or like it should be on sheer grounds of economics.

Lima has undergone several changes in the last few years. As someone else mentioned Miraflores has turned ultra vanilla and the costs for hotels and food in the tourist areas have increased signifcally. You can still do Lima on the cheap but you would need to venture out of the tourist areas which most people are uncomfortable with. Lima is a brut of a city to get around, otherwise if there was quick access to the remote areas it would be way more interesting pfp wise. Maneuvering hours of traffic just to get a 15 minute quicky gets tiresome.

Lets see when the smoke settles after Covid. I still say there will be many many pfp opportunities in Latin America for those with income and good health to enjoy. You just need to sit tight a while longer.

I see Lima as problematic for the foreseeable future. A large urban environment packed with people living on top of each other. Not my cup of tea right now either but lets see what the future brings.

[Nounce]

I dunno, it's what I'm used to. I've only spent any length of time there and all the door people at trocodero recognise me and most chongos do if I stay there a few days.

Are you sure you have been to El Trocadero that used to be a prison? There is no reason to visit that place more than once that door people will recognize you. I don't think there is any door people there like other chongos.

FThe main thing that scares me about Colombia (and what I like about Peru. And Ecuador when I finally get there) is that there is a safe environment where you can have cheap sex. I am scared shitless about going to Santa Fe in Bogota or Centro in Medellin, having to negotiate with a woman on the street and follow her to a dodgy hotel. However I feel very safe going to 90% of chongos in Peru and having sex on the premises, something I've done hundreds of times.

There are plenty of places like chongos in Medellin or Bogota. You can go to strip clubs, casas or MPs.

[Mr Enternational]

I've messaged quite a few online escorts on whatsapp in Lima already. Trolls all of them it seems. Conversation dies as soon as I propose we meet,

What is the purpose of that BS?

[Mr Enternational]

Someone wrote on this forum a while back that criminals pray on the trunks of taxis and get to tourist's suitcases in these less safe areas.

I know a chick in Lima that sells clothes. She had just used all her money to get a new stock. When she got to where she was going and got out, the taxi driver drove off with all her shit in the trunk. And that is why I keep my valuable shit in a bag at my side whenever I am in any taxi.

(Chick I know in Atlanta had Uber do her the same way. Dropped her off and sped away with all her dirty underwear in the trunk. I also leave the door open until I have my suitcase out of the trunk.)

Even in the nice little city of Piura, the gateway to the Mancora beach area, the hotel rooms and meals are double the price of similar Latin American cities and more expensive than even some American cities which is crazy.

That place sux. But I do understand that it is the best of what they have to work with, so to them it is a good place. Damn sure ain't no Punta Cana or Cancun. It is like a Miraflores with sand instead of rocks. The water is just as cold and just as murky. I was glad I did not lug my scuba gear to that place.

[XXL]

Let's say you get the vaccine, and you go to Lima. Practically no one is going there because it has a higher per capita number of Covid cases than anywhere else, so your competition should be close to nil, but it is not the bargain it should be because of the hotel and food costs.

I've messaged quite a few online escorts on whatsapp in Lima already. Trolls all of them it seems. Conversation dies as soon as I propose we meet, and my Spanish is undistinguishable from the locals' for practical purposes.

Yes, everyone are broke here. Even as I write, people (including some doable women) are queuing in their hundreds for government handouts in front of the Banco de la Nacion in Miraflores. Yet no women seem interested in my money. Go figure.

When in Brazil I used to send pics of my Brazilian fucklets to my Peruvian friend. He was fascinated and asked me how much I paid them. I told him. He then said "I should travel to Brazil too". Not a good sign as far as Peru was concerned.

Bottom line: you should never assume a mongering country is like it used to be, or like it should be on sheer grounds of economics.

[Elvis 2008]

The food in the culinary mecca is twice the price of food in Brazil right now, all things equal. As I pay restaurants by credit card I only need to look at my credit card reports. All amounts are roughly double compared to what I was spending in Sao Paulo. Real restaurants still functioning, as opposed to fast food outlets, are thin on the ground.

Safety, at least from mugging, might not be great in Peru right now. My Peru contact has convinced me to buy a cheap Smartphone with a secondary SIM for whenever I venture further afield so than my main Smartphone can stay at the hotel. This is the first time I do this but I may stick to the practice on future mongering trips. Uber and taxi apps may be less safe in Peru than in Brazil because in Peru many drivers refuse payment by credit card and credit cards contribute (I think) to traceability.

It is true that Miraflores is safe. Cameras are everwhere.

Vivanda supermarket here systematically swipe customers' credit cards. Swiping is unsafe for the credit card holder. I really think credit card companies should put their foot down on this. Never had my card swiped in Brazil.

XXL, [Deleted by Admin]

I get that Jockey has a vested interest in mongers coming to Peru but when he told people here that they could come to Peru over cheaper countries by staying in youth hostels and hitch hiking, my jaw dropped.

By the way, did you know there is no Covid in Peru and the word gullible is not in the dictionary? Sorry, I could not help myself.

You are right that the places where there are working women is where the crime is. That is why saying Miraflores is ultra safe is not being totally truthful. Mongers have to leave Miraflores, and you cannot get to Miraflores from the airport without going through crime ridden areas. Someone wrote on this forum a while back that criminals pray on the trunks of taxis and get to tourist's suitcases in these less safe areas.

There is actually a website where you can compare crime rates. The surprise to me on the crime rates was not that Santiago and Asuncion were safer than Lima, but that Mexico City and Bogota were. Here is a link: https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare...o&city2=Mexico+City.

The proximity to the Pacific makes Lima a great place for seafood and the fusion of Latin and Asian cuisines made Lima the hottest foodie place in the world for a while, but I think people are confusing the hottest with the best. I see cevicherias popping all over now, but Peru often does not get the credit it is due with ceviche. In contrast when you go to the best steakhouses in Lima, they advertise Argentine, Uruguayan, and even American beef.

And varied and cheap? Oh hell no. Lima is not just double the price of Sao Paulo. It is double the price of everyone else I have been in Latin America save for Chile, and the hotels are the same steep price as the food. I do not know why but the transportation costs in Peru are just as cheap as their neighbors.

In the USA sex prison, the cost of a hotel room and meal can vary by city, but that is not the case with Peru. Even in the nice little city of Piura, the gateway to the Mancora beach area, the hotel rooms and meals are double the price of similar Latin American cities and more expensive than even some American cities which is crazy.

If you want gambling, it is there, but it is not a reason to go. Lima is no Vegas.

The mongering I had in Brazil in the past 3 months was one of my best mongering on record, and that was during Covid. I can't imagine what mongering must be in Brazil in non-Covid times. It probably beats even the German FKKs at their peaks.

That is the only part of your great and real post XXL that I disagree with. Covid has forced many of the hottest women to the street and mongering is way better now than it was pre-Covid, and the most desperate of these women are the best looking ones in Lima, the Vennie refugees.

Let's say you get the vaccine, and you go to Lima. Practically no one is going there because it has a higher per capita number of Covid cases than anywhere else, so your competition should be close to nil, but it is not the bargain it should be because of the hotel and food costs.

The other part is that I have not seen the drop dead gorgeous Vennies in Peru. I have in Mexico and Colombia but not in Peru, and I do not know why. There are millions of Vennie refugees there.

[DownUnderMonger]

Wow this strikes me as odd coming from you. You went to all the Peru chongos on your own. Some guys don't even risk that.

I say if you can handle El Trocadero on your own you are fine in MDE centro. You do need to watch your back but that is a given in any mongering location.

I dunno, it's what I'm used to. I've only spent any length of time there and all the door people at trocodero recognise me and most chongos do if I stay there a few days.

I just got. Comfortable LOL.

I'm comfortable at a chongo as you see what you get, you know what a girls room looks like before you agree to see her. SWs, with having to find a hotel / short-time room etc, is kinda scarey. SWs everywhere, even in a first world country scares me. I've been robbed with SWs in both Australia and the UK. I've never felt unsafe in a chongo.

[Artisttyp]

I am scared shitless about going to Santa Fe in Bogota or Centro in Medellin, having to negotiate with a woman on the street and follow her to a dodgy hotel. However I feel very safe going to 90% of chongos in Peru and having sex on the premises, something I've done hundreds of times.

If someone can suggest a safe way to do it in Medellin, I'm all ears, but I'm too weary reading stories of being drugged, boyfriends walking in and blackmailing/threatening violence, holes / doors in the wall where people can steal your items, etc. All this stuff does NOT happen in a chongo in Peru, but does happen when dealing with street girls anywhere in the world (same stories around SW in Tijuana etc).

Wow this strikes me as odd coming from you. You went to all the Peru chongos on your own. Some guys don't even risk that.

I say if you can handle El Trocadero on your own you are fine in MDE centro. You do need to watch your back but that is a given in any mongering location.