Seeking Arrangements

[Steve 9696]

Steve, thanks for sharing your guiding SA principles. I know how much you love the tutes (especially Brazilian ones just like me). But, I've decided to look into SA starting in 2022. One thing I would like to know is this. Typically how many duds do you have to wade through before you find one girl that you vibe well enough with that you end up bedding her? I know this is something we all have to work at, but you seem to enjoy yourself, and you've been successful. So give me a rough number of how many encounters on average for you to find a gem who delivers the kind of experience you're looking for. Is it 10,15, or 20? More? Please keep it real.

Also, I really don't like sending pictures around to people on the internet I don't know. So, how do you think the girls would react if I suggested that we switched to WhatsApp or something like that, and that I would be willing to do a video chat as soon as they were comfortable with that? I think I could have some success with this thing, and I'm tired of waiting for international travel to open up again. I don't look my age (look 10 to 15 years younger), I'm in decent shape, and I get what I like (white college girls) flirting with me all the time. One even called me her "daddy" one time LOL! Probably just angling to get free drinks LOLOLOL!

Oh, and I realize that anal is probably out of the question damn near 100% of the time hahaha! That's OK though, that's OK! Because remember, if I'm drilling that booty hole on the tutes 70% of the time, Im hitting that pussy 100% of the time!

I believe you are asking my stats for when I have them out on the town. So success is very very good for evening dates. Havent done the math but something like 85% success for sex once out on the date. But most importantly it's because of how I pick them in the first place. There has to be fun texting with real engagement on her part. There is that dialog where I put sex on the table without saying it. And we have a set price so no surprise. All this leadup is key.

Once the date is on, I've found dinner and drinks and sex the first night to be the thing that works for me. I'm only 1 for 4 in coffee and lunch dates (tho the one was Layla) but 27 for 31 having sex from a night date with all but two of these full sex the first night (one I eked out a BJ she was not expecting to end up In a hotel room LOL and one a passionate kiss first date and bareback sex on second date).

Obviously ymmv and recall I do not like white girls so much as you do so my pool is deeper. But I am sure you will have success. It's as much about charm and laughter at the dinner table as it is being good looking.

Here is my ethnicity and occupations scorecard a few dates old but close enough.

Blackish 8.

Latina 11.

Asian 4.

White 4.

Middle Eastern 2.

College student Waitress Stripper Cust Service Yoga Instructor Office Manager Receptionist Care Giver Maid.

Ps Yes fine to go over to text to exchange pics. That’s what I do. I’d say only about 10% of girls have WhatsApp tho. Gonna more likely be vanilla text.

[FilthyBeaver]

Good luck boys. That site was a blast but it's more time than I have (to get the best results) and I would be more than happy to have one of the 3 I have on the line for several years once I finally make a decision.

Steve, thanks for sharing your guiding SA principles. I know how much you love the tutes (especially Brazilian ones just like me). But, I've decided to look into SA starting in 2022. One thing I would like to know is this. Typically how many duds do you have to wade through before you find one girl that you vibe well enough with that you end up bedding her? I know this is something we all have to work at, but you seem to enjoy yourself, and you've been successful. So give me a rough number of how many encounters on average for you to find a gem who delivers the kind of experience you're looking for. Is it 10,15, or 20? More? Please keep it real.

Also, I really don't like sending pictures around to people on the internet I don't know. So, how do you think the girls would react if I suggested that we switched to WhatsApp or something like that, and that I would be willing to do a video chat as soon as they were comfortable with that? I think I could have some success with this thing, and I'm tired of waiting for international travel to open up again. I don't look my age (look 10 to 15 years younger), I'm in decent shape, and I get what I like (white college girls) flirting with me all the time. One even called me her "daddy" one time LOL! Probably just angling to get free drinks LOLOLOL!

Oh, and I realize that anal is probably out of the question damn near 100% of the time hahaha! That's OK though, that's OK! Because remember, if I'm drilling that booty hole on the tutes 70% of the time, Im hitting that pussy 100% of the time!

[The Cane]

Steve, thanks for sharing your guiding SA principles. I know how much you love the tutes (especially Brazilian ones just like me). But, I've decided to look into SA starting in 2022. One thing I would like to know is this. Typically how many duds do you have to wade through before you find one girl that you vibe well enough with that you end up bedding her? I know this is something we all have to work at, but you seem to enjoy yourself, and you've been successful. So give me a rough number of how many encounters on average for you to find a gem who delivers the kind of experience you're looking for. Is it 10,15, or 20? More? Please keep it real.

Also, I really don't like sending pictures around to people on the internet I don't know. So, how do you think the girls would react if I suggested that we switched to WhatsApp or something like that, and that I would be willing to do a video chat as soon as they were comfortable with that? I think I could have some success with this thing, and I'm tired of waiting for international travel to open up again. I don't look my age (look 10 to 15 years younger), I'm in decent shape, and I get what I like (white college girls) flirting with me all the time. One even called me her "daddy" one time LOL! Probably just angling to get free drinks LOLOLOL!

Oh, and I realize that anal is probably out of the question damn near 100% of the time hahaha! That's OK though, that's OK! Because remember, if I'm drilling that booty hole on the tutes 70% of the time, Im hitting that pussy 100% of the time!

[Elvis 2008]

Dedicated to Elvis, the man in love. I am happy for you unlike some of the other guys. I did invite the model to move to CDMX. I told her I would take care of the apartment and other expenses, plus she would get an allowance, but she had to work. We have been together for over 1.5 years, I do love her and she love me, but we can not cross the finish line. She does have major family issues, very controlling parents. We will see what happens.

DF, we set up the apartment in Cartagena to my and her liking. I can tell she is happy to be back there as it is her original home and free from the cold of Bogota.

It is funny what is lacking in Colombia, sheets with Egyptian cotton for one, so I bought some and brought them down. I found a synthetic couch to make up for the lack of leather ones there. It is nice. I found a device so I can watch sports and my shows when I am there. I do not know why anyone has cable with this available: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Octastrea...UDED/564178196 I even found a way to make real salsa. Colombian hot sauce is like ketchup.

Last trip was first time I got to know her daughter. [Deleted by Admin] It would not surprise me if she ends up 5 feet 10 like her mother. We are going to be fending off the men like crazy. When asked to do something, I think she said no more often than my son has in his first 22 years on this planet. I have always lived in a house of boys and how I handle things with her will be interesting. But I like her, and she likes me. For now. LOL.

I wrote this for the Tijuana section, but I think it is better that I post it here. I hope things work out with you and your lady.

If you are married or newly divorced, just getting new pussy is great. But having sex with a woman whose clothes are on a second after you climaxed running in shame towards the door? Ugh. I want a woman in my arms after sex happy that she fucked me.

After my engagement broke off, I dove into other foreign lands, upped my game, was doing the sugar baby thing and doing well. Life was great, and I was totally content in the SB world doubtful I would leave it.

It is when you are sure things will never change that they do. What do you do when a 10 type totally falls for you, fucks the shit out of you and asks for nothing? I get part of what Kool Beans is asking. Is this really real? After a while you accept it is, and ask what next? How do you go from SD or john to BF?

For the woman, it is easier. You show the guy your love by not asking him for much money. The guy has to understand the woman hates asking for it, and you are not paying for pussy but to make someone happy. If you pay too little, she may go outside for cash. Give her too much and she is spoiled. Did you notice no one here said that if KB's girl is looking for outside cash, he should give her more?

If you are an American guy, you are no doubt making more than she is, and if you want her available to you, you have to pay for her to not work. You do not have to, but you are not going to see her much if you do not. If she does take on work, she would have to understand (and this may be hard for her) that you count more than her job.

Then there is the family. Sure, they are close, but Nana Maria and Uncle Jose really need money help. You check it out and their needs are legit, and it is not so much, but you're questioning if they are pimping out your woman, and the answer is yeah, they kind of are. That is the price of a close family, and you want them on your side in a conflict. No one in your family will want anything from her which is unfair but that is how it works.

KB does not want to be played, and he is afraid he is missing something but most guys here are going to say he is a fool. What he needs to do is only talk to guys who have had this happen to them or better yet, talk to women. Women will size up his chick and situation better than we ever will.

So why do it? It is not sex. GF sex is way better than ho sex, but sugar baby and GF sex IMO are equal. The answer is your happiness is not based on pleasure from things like sex but other people. If you are with a woman who makes you happy, it is crazy to end it, and you should be with her.

I hear guys talk themselves out of the 10 types all the time. The Barbie doll wants a Ken doll they say. But the 10's themselves are never asked and so many do not want Ken.

Once I was with a courtesan, a true 10 in bed and with looks and got paid as such. We had finished our amazing session. She told me that she was going to go out on the town. I said she was going to see the hunky suave men she really wanted to. She had already been paid, had a waiting list weeks long, and she stopped right there, looked at me dead serious and said "When I go out and try to meet men, I am looking to meet men just like you. " What she said really changed my life. At first, it was just that I was in love with the idea not sure it was true. 10 years later I realized she was telling me the truth and I acted as such.

The surest way to have a 10 not fall for you is to believe it is impossible.

Happy holidays everyone!

[Akibono]

I am glad you are having a great time. Thing is that the average income in Mexico City is the same as a lot of the USA. What that means is not only are there a lot of hot and worldly women, they are often in high demand because there are so many men with money.

Of the four tens I met in CDMX, I followed them on Instagram. Three of the four moved sideways after meeting me (and that is not typical with the SBs I have had), and one hit the absolute jackpot.

My point is that you have to lock them down much more quickly in CDMX than other Mexican cities or in Colombia. I do not think there is a woman I met in MTY or Colombia I could not call up and see again, but I think I would be given the cold shoulder if I approached any of these four. They are taken.

In this country women are more educated and marrying late in life is a possibility. No so in CDMX. Youth and beauty are a perishable commodity. Plus they are in competition with other women. Both the men and women know this. Thus, there is tremendous pressure to marry up early. A young woman is always hunting in those countries. What is true everywhere is dating is fun while marriage means work.

[DramaFree11]

Agree. More of the women are not even in the same local. And those in the same local only want to sell pictures, have an online arrangement, or get paid before meeting them- they want to know the man is sincere, their time is worth a lot more than yours, and on and on and on. Last time I subscribed for a month I met one scammer only.

SA has the marked cornered, so they can do what they want, unfortunately. As far as scams there is a lot in America, but no where as many in Mexico. I usually get a couple of girls from Colombia or Russian writing daily. It is fairly easy to spot now. Instant block for the Colombian Chicas.

I am having the best time of my life thanks to SA, I am heading back to CDMX late Christmas night. I have been there 3 of the last 4 weekends. I am averaging 2-3 sessions daily. I have accomplished this in a short period of time. I am still figuring out the city. I will make CDMX my second home. I will bust ass working in America for 10-12 days, then the 4-5 days in M. City, I can work remotely a few days. The best of both worlds.

Plus I will be flying out of MTY, much cheaper, no covid requirement and I can spend one night with the model. So good.

Dedicated to Elvis, the man in love. I am happy for you unlike some of the other guys. I did invite the model to move to CDMX. I told her I would take care of the apartment and other expenses, plus she would get an allowance, but she had to work. We have been together for over 1.5 years, I do love her and she love me, but we can not cross the finish line. She does have major family issues, very controlling parents. We will see what happens.

[DonCarlos1234]

ML, I think you need to understand what SA is fighting and what American law is. Prostitution is the exchange of anything of value for sex or the expectation of sex. The goal then should be to offer up money but not directly doing so and try to morph your exchange into something that a potential boyfriend may do with a potential girlfriend. Also, do not offer to fly a woman or pay for travel on the first meet as that could be seen as trafficking.e.

Elvis and others: there is a person (I have met her) who uses SA to find SD for selling them dates, taking them along with the girls either she has ino on or girl in your personal SA account. She will send you "Manager Documents" Real name is Hosnellys Stukerman from Venezueals nelly5496@gmail.com.

Elvis and others: there is a person (I have met her) who uses SA to find SD's for selling them on dates, taking them along with the girls either she has info on file or get them from girls in your personal SA account. She asks for your SA account and and password She will send you "Manager Documents" for this info and much more. Real name is Hosnellys Stukerman from Venezuela nelly5496@gmail.com I have her phone (maybe still active) she claims to be an attorney. She has more than one SA account. Currently it's Tmanager she is very good looking and believable. My friend says she is a good kisser. LOL Well she does charge $15/ hour to impersonate you and make dates for you from your SA contacts. Then she will call them herself and pimp them out later on. In some ways all this is ok in Colombia but not calling and destroying my credibility with the many girls I had spent a time talking to before my trip to Medellin. Her advice included things like, "say you will take them on a trip and pay them $600/ day" she also tried to get "investors" for a business doing this. Or other busine to open a tour company. All BS LOL and asked another ISG member for $. In Colombia half the cab drivers are pimps or tour guides so it's not that uncommon or even a big deal when you know what you are getting. . but they don't know how to access SA for girls numbers and leads. Anyone wants her photo or her "contract forms" let me know. This all happened in July & August. A lot more details, like what I gave her (scmed from me) etc. I just found a new account of here so I am posting. Just beware.

[NeilGeorge]

The cost of a SA membership seems to be constantly rising. I don't think the product is getting better. I have some ideas why it may be happening. But I would like any opinions people want to share.

Agree. More of the women are not even in the same local. And those in the same local only want to sell pictures, have an online arrangement, or get paid before meeting them- they want to know the man is sincere, their time is worth a lot more than yours, and on and on and on. Last time I subscribed for a month I met one scammer only.

[Akibono]

The cost of a SA membership seems to be constantly rising. I don't think the product is getting better. I have some ideas why it may be happening. But I would like any opinions people want to share.

[FilthyBeaver]

Thanks, not sure if that's relief or not. LOL.

Haha No not same. Kayla isn't even her stage name. When I post on ISG I always make up a name close enough that I will not forget. So Kayla is totally NOT the girl I am seeing. Totally made up that name.

[Steve 9696]

Without telling me any more than you need to Steve. Is Kayla a stage name and are you paying or did you negotiate down from a 4 digit ppm ask? A Kayla has her hooks in me tight and it's a double stage name, she's got the profile name, the first meet name, and the real name when consummated. Just wondering if we're the same instrument being played by a master. Mine has no issue going out as she's fairly new to the area so she's not going to run into anyone she knows. But God damn do I want to give her my entire allowance. What an angel of a girl.

Haha No not same. Kayla isn't even her stage name. When I post on ISG I always make up a name close enough that I will not forget. So Kayla is totally NOT the girl I am seeing. Totally made up that name.

[FilthyBeaver]

Without telling me any more than you need to Steve. Is Kayla a stage name and are you paying or did you negotiate down from a 4 digit ppm ask? A Kayla has her hooks in me tight and it's a double stage name, she's got the profile name, the first meet name, and the real name when consummated. Just wondering if we're the same instrument being played by a master. Mine has no issue going out as she's fairly new to the area so she's not going to run into anyone she knows. But God damn do I want to give her my entire allowance. What an angel of a girl.

So some of you may recall Layla from last year. We met in August 2020 and were pretty regular throughout the last year till April. Kinda heavy but that face. OMG. It slays me. Fucking her while she smiles a thousand watt smile and stares deep into your eyes is really legendary.

Anyhow she became gainfully employed and impossibly busy. We've had three failed meetups since April. And frankly I was pretty frustrated. Of course I saw other girls. But circumstances change. Her restaurant shutdown for the winter and I guess that leads to monetary needs! Because guess who's interested in getting regular again? We met up recently and honestly it was awesome. Shes lost weight, she's working hard to please me and she looks dynamite.

Moral of the story? Always keep girls on the roster. A lot don't have the steadiest employment and when that fades you are suddenly the most interesting man in the world! LOL. Anyhow enjoying it while It lasts.

[Steve 9696]

So some of you may recall Layla from last year. We met in August 2020 and were pretty regular throughout the last year till April. Kinda heavy but that face. OMG. It slays me. Fucking her while she smiles a thousand watt smile and stares deep into your eyes is really legendary.

Anyhow she became gainfully employed and impossibly busy. We've had three failed meetups since April. And frankly I was pretty frustrated. Of course I saw other girls. But circumstances change. Her restaurant shutdown for the winter and I guess that leads to monetary needs! Because guess who's interested in getting regular again? We met up recently and honestly it was awesome. She’s lost weight, she's working hard to please me and she looks dynamite.

Moral of the story? Always keep girls on the roster. A lot don't have the steadiest employment and when that fades you are suddenly the most interesting man in the world! LOL. Anyhow enjoying it while It lasts.

[StudBucket]

Since I wrote my guide early in my journey, I've updated a bit. Plus new readers here. So here's the way I play it.

So how do you do it properly? I suppose this could vary widely depending on what you are after. But I am after a girl who FEELS like a girlfriend. She's affectionate, appreciates an evening above her usual stature in life, and is able to actually enjoy herself with you. She views the allowance / gift (I. E. Money!) as a bonus. Not the only thing she is after. Any girl where I feel money is the primary motivation and she will go with anyone for a high enough price, gets kicked straight to the curb. She's got to be a girlfriend first, and any "benefits" come second.

Knowing that this is the kind of girl I want to attract (and other guys I have talked to also find this persona the most attractive), there is a set of rules you have to play by. Understand that SA is NOT AT ALL like picking up hookers. It is much more like meeting a girl in a bar and seducing her to leave with you. It's just an online bar. Sure you need money, but you also need some texting game and you need to treat her with respect. If you do, you have a chance of closing the deal. However, the moment you disrespect her, she will be gone.

The most important rule when vibing with a girl and getting a meeting set up is: never discuss sex or money. These things will be implied and they will be done offline. Never discuss sex or money on the Seeking Arrangements platform and really never discuss sex at all. As soon as you are that explicit, the kind of girl you are after will feel disrespected and ghost you in no time flat. Plus, it can get you booted from SA for life if you are reported. Don't worry, there are ways to have this conversation properly, explained below.

Start your engagement with a girl with some light chat and flirt. Your opener should be something specific to her that you read in her profile -- not something generic. And ALWAYS end every message with a question. This prompts her to respond. If you don't ask a question, she will not take the initiative and the conversation will just die. You have to drive it; and you drive with questions. Get her to tell you a few things about herself: what she likes to eat, her favorite wine, dog or cat person. It doesn't really matter what you discuss; just something that will get her to engage a bit.

At some point you will establish that you like each other reasonably well and one or the other will suggest taking the conversation off of SA and over to text. If she goes there in the first few exchanges, she is probably a hooker. If she doesn't ask for a pic pretty early on, she is probably a hooker. Often, I am the one to suggest going over to private phone text. You can keep it pretty innocuous, saying you notice she is not on often and it might be easier to connect up by text. But don't do it too early this spooks the nice girls. Have a conversation over a few days and then take it off SA to texting.

Once you are texting, pick up the thread you had going and continue a little friendly chat. At some point, you will suggest that you think you vibe well and should meet up. Most often she will agree and now its time to establish that you will have sex (without saying it!) and how much is the agreed price (without saying it's a price! Some guys cover the price discussion in person, but I find that awkward and always set it ahead of time.

Once she's said "yeah, lets meetup" I say I want to describe our date to her (this is how I introduce the sex topic without getting explicit.) I usually say something about going out for dinner or drinks and having an epic time, laughing a lot and if the chemistry is right spending some private time (or intimate time or adult time -- insert your favorite euphemism -- but never say SEX!) or on the off chance we don't vibe, we can part after dinner no harm no foul. And ask if that sounds about right to them. Most often, if they are the kind of girl you are after, they will be down with this description and say, sure that sounds good.

This opens the door for the pricing discussion. I usually say something like "Of course I'the want to give you a gift / allowance. Did you have something in mind?" and the negotiation is underway. Never ever say "what's your price" or "how much do you charge for PPM". Always use the approach above, that you want to give them something. Sometimes, she will say she doesn't know and get you to give the first figure (good negotiating tactic on her part, but often they are in fact new). I am OK with this and say "well, what I've done before is 300. I hope that works for you. " (note no $ sign).

As far as what you should pay, I've found a strong correlation between what a pretty hooker charges for an hour (in a given city) to be what an SA girl will take for an evening. I'the say (pre-pandemic) most big US cities $400 is reasonable for a pretty girl (lots will ask more I just kick them to the curb) with SF and NYC more like $500. In second tier cities, $300 should do it and I've found a few gems at $200 (though more in the 6-7 category). During the pandemic, I've found a lot of these girls are struggling, so if they ask 500, when 400 is more correct, I usually don't push them on it and just go with what they asked.

Once you have the "we are going to have sex, right" -- without saying it -- and money discussion out of the way, you should be good to go. Just keep on with the flirty texts without being too frequent, clingy or annoying and then meet up at the appointed day and time. More often than not, if you are not terribly objectionable looking, have a little bit of charm, and follow the "let's get out of here" model you might use with a regular pickup, you will end up in the room with your girl and have a rocking time.

Having done this alot (more than 30 times in many different cities), I've found that having sex on the first date is super important. The few times I've had a platonic date (especially a non-alcoholic one) to be followed by sex on the second date it never happens. You have to take the momentum on that first date and take it all the way to the bedroom. Remember girls are submissive and will largely follow your lead even if that lead is to the hotel room.

Finally, I should note that how much time you spend with her is largely up to her and how well you vibe. It's not something you negotiate, like you would with a hooker. Most times it will probably be 3-4 hours including dinner and sex, after which she might say she needs to get home. But, in my experience, about 50% of girls sleep over. It's not something you discuss. It just happens. You cuddle after sex and next thing you know she's taking off her necklace to the bedside table. Bingo!

Seeking is absolutely the best, if you take the time to find the gems amongst the bullshit and follow the above guide.

This is a great report and has many valuable tips. I have been on SA for a couple of years now and have found a few gems. I use a similar approach and never say sex, ppm, words of wisdom. Use words like gift, allowance for time, compensation, etc.

[FilthyBeaver]

One thing I'd add. Meet them ASAP once the topic comes up. If you talk to them last night about meeting and confirm a meeting time / place at 10 am the dext day for 8 pm that night you have just given them 10 hours to find someone better looking, willing to pay more, bigger dick, whatever. If the topic of meeting comes up last night then meet her that night. I've been burnt by this a couple times and learned my lesson. I can't believe the quality of girls I'm getting to come over, just beautiful. My house and car are both panty droppers but I never discuss them, I let them see them for themselves and that closes the deal without having to say a thing. I've had girls tell me they don't sleep over but as soon as they walk in will say "I could totally crash here." Freaking brilliant! You do need some money though. You can't fake it with top teir girls.

Price ranges below are accurate as well. Any more than $600 and I'm out.

Since I wrote my guide early in my journey, I've updated a bit. Plus new readers here. So here's the way I play it.

So how do you do it properly? I suppose this could vary widely depending on what you are after. But I am after a girl who FEELS like a girlfriend. She's affectionate, appreciates an evening above her usual stature in life, and is able to actually enjoy herself with you. She views the allowance / gift (I. E. Money!) as a bonus. Not the only thing she is after. Any girl where I feel money is the primary motivation and she will go with anyone for a high enough price, gets kicked straight to the curb. She's got to be a girlfriend first, and any "benefits" come second.

Knowing that this is the kind of girl I want to attract (and other guys I have talked to also find this persona the most attractive), there is a set of rules you have to play by. Understand that SA is NOT AT ALL like picking up hookers. It is much more like meeting a girl in a bar and seducing her to leave with you. It's just an online bar. Sure you need money, but you also need some texting game and you need to treat her with respect. If you do, you have a chance of closing the deal. However, the moment you disrespect her, she will be gone.

The most important rule when vibing with a girl and getting a meeting set up is: never discuss sex or money. These things will be implied and they will be done offline. Never discuss sex or money on the Seeking Arrangements platform and really never discuss sex at all. As soon as you are that explicit, the kind of girl you are after will feel disrespected and ghost you in no time flat..