Medellin Reports

[JjBee62]

LOL. It is how I am and most chicks understand this. There are no hangups or guilt.

I am not understanding the need or striving for monogamy. Not everyone feels the need or desire to be monogamous. To me it is weird like someone trying to get a person to convert religions. Be yourself and don't try to get others to be you or your ideal.

That is one of those stupid things that people say. I have never in my life said the words do not judge me. It is stupid not to judge / evaluate other people. Do not be a dummy by failing to judge someone then allowing them to come into your house and steal all of your shit. A big part of this hobby is judging people.

What stress? Something a lot of women say they do not like about me is that nothing bothers me. And I explain to them there is no reason to stress out over or let something that you can not control bother you. And if it is something that you can control, then what is stopping you from changing it instead of letting it bother you? You are the fool if you are stressing over something that you can change.

I am not him. I do not play those kind of games.

Exactly. What I want is to not be with only one woman. They are all the woman of my dreams!

This is one of the few times when I wish the board software quoted the quotes from the original post along with your replies (or I wish I wasn't too lazy to do it myself).

I tried monogamy, 3 wives, 3 divorces, along with several long term monogamous (supposedly) relationships. The only relationship which made me content was when we were swingers, but that girlfriend created too much stress.

After trying to find a replacement with all the advantages and none of the stress, I realized the source of the stress. Me. It was all the baggage I grew up with, telling me I needed 1 woman, blah, blah, blah.

When I was reminiscing about the best ones, I realized I didn't want them as they are now. I wanted them as they were then, in their 20's looking their best. I don't want to grow old with someone and do the happily ever after crap. Instead, I want to enjoy my moments and know that somewhere, some girls are remembering me fondly.

I finally understood that several years ago when the daughter of my first wife and the girlfriend who came after, both contacted me. The ex-wife had died and apparently had spent most of her life regretting the breakup. The girlfriend, now a grandmother, called me one of the great loves of her life. I'd rarely thought about either woman in decades.

Now, I have a few women who I'm comfortable with, about 40 years younger than me (60 is just around the corner). I've got another dozen who I can be comfortable with for several hours along with several hundred I can enjoy for long enough. When I'm done with them there's no breakup bullshit. Nobody has to pack up and move, no paperwork, no months of stress, just a simple "chao."

[Surfer500]

Depends. Many normal girls from Latin America have come to see me in the States and paid their own way. And many will not even go if they can not pay their share. Chicks have also taken me places and paid for everything. Each situation is different.

I need to take some lessons from you, I haven't had much luck with "normal girls", and if I did, and they would come see me in the States on their nickel, I wouldn't be in Colombia much.

And chicks taking you places and paying for everything, that's amazing.

Unfortunately though, I'm in the "pay pool", because I'm old and wrinkled.

The days of getting laid for free are just a memory for me.

[Mr Enternational]

And you have this hang up and guilt over seeing multiple women. You just think this is how you are.

LOL. It is how I am and most chicks understand this. There are no hangups or guilt.

What would a woman have to be like for you to be monogamous? I don't give a fuck if it is that she is royalty and making $10 million a year. Define it. And tell yourself even that woman has to earn your monogamy.

I am not understanding the need or striving for monogamy. Not everyone feels the need or desire to be monogamous. To me it is weird like someone trying to get a person to convert religions. Be yourself and don't try to get others to be you or your ideal.

You scream to the world not to judge you, but you are judging yourself, and you think you can handle it but the stress is eating you up.

That is one of those stupid things that people say. I have never in my life said the words do not judge me. It is stupid not to judge / evaluate other people. Do not be a dummy by failing to judge someone then allowing them to come into your house and steal all of your shit. A big part of this hobby is judging people.

What stress? Something a lot of women say they do not like about me is that nothing bothers me. And I explain to them there is no reason to stress out over or let something that you can not control bother you. And if it is something that you can control, then what is stopping you from changing it instead of letting it bother you? You are the fool if you are stressing over something that you can change.

Look at osteo. From a pussy POV, he is killing it but the stress? He had a seizure. Someone tried to scope him, and he has had women try to rip him off in all kinds of ways. I am exhausted just reading about it, and that is not a knock on him. Most guys want to be him, but that is a shitload of stress for any man to take on.

I am not him. I do not play those kind of games.

This girl is a rest stop on your journey to find the woman of your dreams. Given all the women you have been with, you should know what you want by now.

Exactly. What I want is to not be with only one woman. They are all the woman of my dreams!

[Mr Enternational]

Who pays for the normal girl's travel and meals?

Depends. Many normal girls from Latin America have come to see me in the States and paid their own way. And many will not even go if they can not pay their share. Chicks have also taken me places and paid for everything. Each situation is different.

[GeneHickman]

Bro young have been had. The price for un ratio for a bello chica is 150-200 mil negotiable, and you use taxi etc as chips. But 200 why taxi (a number which you set at say 30 mil is all it would take. Dark skin, white skin, you are young or old etc should not matter.

Addendum: seems like you sourced your chicas from seeking, which explains the higher price point. I tried SA last summer and was not impressed. Saw nothing above and beyond the FB game. And of course being a SD SB site, the expectations are raised for gifts, dinners, and other freebies above the transactional Cita arrangement.

[GeneHickman]

Punctuality, visual presentation and skills during horizontal activities. In my experience, high end professionals are always wary on the first meeting in case you behave in a way they don't like. This is probably because they've met men who've behaved unpleasantly and want to be ready in case it happens again.

Prices varied. The darker skinned girls from Bello quoted me 300 k. The lighter skinned and better educated college girls wanted 400 k. One wanted 600 k but settled for 500 k.

Then there was a cranky one who said men offered her between 250 k and $300. I offered 400 k, she became upset and refused to provide a counteroffer. Second most entertaining was one who wanted $500.

I should add that I'm in my mid 30's and look younger but I don't think that affects the prices. What does affect the prices is that I don't enjoy nor am good at negotiating the price.

Bro young have been had. The price for un ratio for a bello chica is 150-200 mil negotiable, and you use taxi etc as chips. But 200 why taxi (a number which you set at say 30 mil is all it would take. Dark skin, white skin, you are young or old etc should not matter.

[Elvis 2008]

No drama at all. Having a talk with her now, at the beginning, to explain how I expect my privacy to be respected will save problems later. There have been no problems since. We are adults with the ability to communicate with each other. No need for the peek-a-boo games on either side.

I cannot remember how many times Jay Leno joked with Hollywood types about marriage. "You know when your wife says it is okay that you see other women. It is not okay."

Your woman is upset at herself for confronting you about seeing other women in the way that she did. That method was not cool. That is the part that she has responded to. The question of if you are seeing other women has not been answered. She is suspicious of it, and she is right to be. You are fucking other women, and you have either lied or been deceptive about it.

I personally think lying about seeing other people is unnecessary. You can use my line on this matter, "I was in love once, and she cheated on me when I was away. So I never commit to someone unless I am with them all the time for a good while. " All women get that. They take it as you are not going to settle down with them for a while, but I think that is better than lying to them. I think the points you get for honesty outweigh the cost of the fake intimacy that you are faithful to them and I do not think it gets in the way of having sex: the quality yes but not the quantity.

And you have this hang up and guilt over seeing multiple women. You just think this is how you are. You are not approaching it the right way. What would a woman have to be like for you to be monogamous? I don't give a fuck if it is that she is royalty and making $10 million a year. Define it. And tell yourself even that woman has to earn your monogamy. Now you are not the promiscuous slimeball society makes you out to be but someone virtuous looking for Mrs. Right.

And this woman is not Mrs. Right, is she? And no guy is going to be Mr. Right for a woman if he cannot commit to just her at the very least initially. Sorry.

You do not have to go sexless when you are looking for Mrs. Right, and neither does she, but you will spare her a lot of pain when she sees that she is settling. You should know that you are.

She is not being stupid being upset about you not showing her your phone. You make it sound like she has a right not to be happy about it. If she is happy eating dinner outside and if a lion roars in the distance, it is okay to not be happy after that. She is worried about her future with you and how much of her heart she should invest in you so she does not get hurt, and she should not invest her heart in you. Fucking her is fine; saying you love her is not cool.

And I am not judging you. I have been you. And you are in denial about something else: the hiding. You are hiding your phone from her, hiding your seeing multiple women from her and from society. You scream to the world not to judge you, but you are judging yourself, and you think you can handle it but the stress is eating you up.

Look at osteo. From a pussy POV, he is killing it but the stress? He had a seizure. Someone tried to scope him, and he has had women try to rip him off in all kinds of ways. I am exhausted just reading about it, and that is not a knock on him. Most guys want to be him, but that is a shitload of stress for any man to take on.

When I was with my sugar babies, I prided myself about being able to leave my wallet out. If they went through my phone, they would see other women, and I told them that they would. Do you get how much stress that relieves? Not having to button everything down?

And now it is at a different level of comfort. When I see my woman, I know I am not dealing with someone who will no show, not ask for money all the time, be pleasant and fun, and with whom I will have great sex. I can also be at peace leaving my phone out because there is nothing there. As you get older, you acknowledge that all the stress that you say you can handle takes its toll.

This girl is a rest stop on your journey to find the woman of your dreams. Just be honest with yourself about it. If you define your perfect woman and look for her, then I bet it will take you some time, but you will find her. Given all the women you have been with, you should know what you want by now.

[Taylor707]

I applaud you guys who get good pussy (paid for) off Seeking. My experience has been fraught with flakes, mis-representation and bad attitudes. I am no longer a member there but had a few wattsapp numbers for Medellin, and one such girl has been texting me constantly to meet. I mentioned 200 K for 2 hours including taxi and she agreed right away.

Today, she kept on asking me to get her a taxi to come over. I reminder her of the deal, and we went back and forth for a while. It's not the money, but if a girl agrees to something and then tried to extract more out of me, even before we have met, then it leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Eventually, she submits and comes over - 3 hours late. Yes, seriously. We were supposed to meet at 11 am but she turns up at 2 pm..

That sucks but way to make up for it at Sexy Amigas. They have a good attitude there and some decent girls. So did you end up giving the SA girl the 200 k or just taxi fare home?

[Knowledge]

Who pays for the normal girl's travel and meals?

You've kind of contradicted yourself here if I'm reading your post right.

Your saying that with a normal girl your not paying, you shouldn't have to put the phone down, and on mute.

Yet sounds like you went thru a lot of drama with your "normal girl", which could of been avoided depending on how you managed your phone, and this is in essence what I, and the other poster were referring to as to how to avoid drama. Unless of course you like drama, and some guys do.

I see no difference between girls we pay and normal girls, I say this in my case as the less they know about me, the better, except for what I want to share with them.

[Steve 9696]

I applaud you guys who get good pussy (paid for) off Seeking. My experience has been fraught with flakes, mis-representation and bad attitudes. I am no longer a member there but had a few wattsapp numbers for Medellin, and one such girl has been texting me constantly to meet. I mentioned 200 K for 2 hours including taxi and she agreed right away.

Today, she kept on asking me to get her a taxi to come over. I reminder
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My take on Seeking is that it's a tool you use in places that have poor P4 P. There are exceptions to this. I've had good experience with Seeking in London where P4 P is also good. But mostly if you can get good P4 P in a country then avoid Seeking. So for example Seeking rocks in the US (if you know what you are doing and OK paying US outrageous prices) and Buenos Aires (see below) both places where P4 P sucks.

[Steve 9696]

Having experienced Colombia, Argentina, and Brazil, here is the summary of my dates and thoughts on the venues. Of course the summary is: you can get awesome girls in any of the three countries -- so long as you pick the right format for that country and see enough girls for the odds to favor success. See the Seeking Arrangements thread and the São Paulo thread for those respective detailed reports.

Medellin -- Primarily Facebook and Referrals.

Bella and Alejandra Duo -- Picked up at a local small club, these girls were four hours of fun and partying. The sex was just altogether OK, but having a more senior girl help coach up her younger protege on the finer points of BJ was fun. But mostly just tons of rum shots and tussi (them not me) and grinding and dancing and just having fun.

Julia -- Referral from a friend this girl is fresh and cute and built and bubbly and has the finest pussy to finger on planet earth. Her BJ is lame, but she's a nice girl and I would have repeated if I had the time.

Karen. Damn this girl has an amazing face (and good bod). She wears lots of makeup but it's working because I could look at her all day. A bit bizness-like in the bedroom, but damn she's fine. Came in Mish, which doesn't happen so often, but looking at that face. Whoa.

Kerry. Referral from a friend. Had dinner together and we just clicked chemically from the get go and I couldn't get enough. Her smile and laugh will melt you. We had amazing foreplay in the jacuzzi and the sex was just so passionate. Went touristing the next day and after a church that looked good was a bit of a bust she helped guide me by the hand through the worst part of El Centro. Several quite nasty blocks of piss and fish smell and the people to go with it (believe we came down 51 D into Plaza Botero.) Plaza Botero itself is nice and feels like any city. Had an amazing pasta lunch back in Laureles, more amazing sex (damn the way she looks in my eyes slays me) and a mega afternoon spoon nap. I would def repeat with this girl.

Vennie Spinner. I don't even remember her name. Grabbed outside of Park Lleras. Seems so innocent but quite the little shark. Ended up haggling over condom for BJ, and other things. Basically some pretty darn good sex and a lot of arguing. Super amazing be cups on the tiniest frame you can imagine. Only bad experience in Medellin (and not completely awful on balance. She was lots of fun when we weren't arguing LOL).

Andrea. Believe another poster mentioned her. I am not usually one for sharing girls names, but if you care to dig she is a real gem. Tattooed head to toe, so if you don't like that, definite non-starter. I think they are super bad ass. And she's got a very solid woman's build -- think her ass is fake actually. So if you want a flaca look elsewhere. But if you want one of the top BJs on planet earth she's your gal. And she's sweet and passionate also. I took the upcharge and blasted twice inside 40 minutes -- and that after all the girls above in just two days. So I think that speaks to her BJ prowess.

Buenos Aries -- Seeking Arrangements Only.

Lucia. Wow this girl looks amazing. A 10 face no lie. A 9 body. Perfect English, fun to be with at dinner and walking. Just a great date. Sex pretty darn mediocre. I'd still see her again just to have that doll out with me.

Melia. We were in close chat for several weeks, but I semi-ghosted her 2 weeks out as I settled on other girls. Failed second date with Lucia (she contacted me later but it was too late) and Meli came through with 4 hours notice! Great fun date despite the language barrier. Amazing sex including swap to BBFS midway. Totally would repeat.

Sao Paulo -- Clubs.

Natalie. Scandallo. Scandallo remains amazing, but Natalie too pro for my taste. Rushed and fake. Made a mistake taking her. Guess it goes to show, the experience only works if you follow the rules. I broke several and paid the price. Still managed to squirt one out, but def not the highlight of my trip.

Maria. Damn, another keeper like Kerry. Found her at Lotus -- only four girls there, but I guess you only need one, because chemistry was off the charts from the first minute. We basically wifed up for the next two days. Amazing dinner, walks, drinks, sex. Really the whole GFE package from top to bottom.

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So what's my take on the three countries? This is all just my opinion based on quite a limited sample. YMMV.

I still think Brazil is number one if you like the face to face club scene and lots of options. Scandallo remains more pretty girls per square meter than anywhere on the planet. In comparison La Isla was distinctly lame with plastic girls and inflated prices.

Argentina is only worth a visit if you know how to navigate the Seeking Arrangements scene and enjoy the whole date experience. Top shelf girls if this is your thing and Buenos Aires is a lovely city. Very European. The Italian at Marcelo and walk after in Puerto Madero is worth the trip.

I was surprised how short and lame the BJs were in Colombia (with exception of Andrea). I found the Romanian pro girls in London and the amateur Seeking girls in the US to be decidedly better. Not sure why but it was noticeable and stood out to me.

You can find amazing real life GFE wherever you go. But it takes a bit of luck and numbers. Out of 11 girls across the three countries I found 2 girls I was happy to wife up with and another 2 who gave the in bedroom GFE we all seek. Another 5 that I was happy to have spent time with and only 2 I wished I hadn't.

[Mr Enternational]

You've kind of contradicted yourself here if I'm reading your post right.

Your saying that with a normal girl your not paying, you shouldn't have to put the phone down, and on mute.

Yet sounds like you went thru a lot of drama with your "normal girl", which could of been avoided

No drama at all. Having a talk with her now, at the beginning, to explain how I expect my privacy to be respected will save problems later. There have been no problems since. We are adults with the ability to communicate with each other. No need for the peek-a-boo games on either side.

I went to pick a chick up from her house in Puerto Plata, Dominican Republic. I had my tablet connected to the radio playing music. She picked my tablet up. I took it out of her hand and told her never to even look at my electronics. I put it down and kept driving. She picked my tablet up again. I pulled over and told her to get the fuck out. I am not with the games after I have clearly explained the first time.

[Fudi Maar]

I applaud you guys who get good pussy (paid for) off Seeking. My experience has been fraught with flakes, mis-representation and bad attitudes. I am no longer a member there but had a few wattsapp numbers for Medellin, and one such girl has been texting me constantly to meet. I mentioned 200 K for 2 hours including taxi and she agreed right away.

Today, she kept on asking me to get her a taxi to come over. I reminder her of the deal, and we went back and forth for a while. It's not the money, but if a girl agrees to something and then tried to extract more out of me, even before we have met, then it leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Eventually, she submits and comes over - 3 hours late. Yes, seriously. We were supposed to meet at 11 am but she turns up at 2 pm.

Okay, I accept this without fuss. In the room, I build comfort by asking her about her life, etc etc, and we kiss. She's a little reserved. We're both fully clothed and sitting on the bed. And then she tells me using translator something along the lines of "I am having my period and having a lot of cramps. ".

WTF?! Are you fucking kidding me? This is a way to say "I don't want to have sex, but I still want you to give me 200 K". Literally minutes before, I had told her of the bad experiences that I had had on Seeking, and the cow does this with no guilt at all. Immediately, I lose all interest and put on my shoes. She looks surprised. I tell her that I will walk her down and get her a taxi. I really felt like just kicking her out with nothing, but I don't want her to make a fuss, and I try to control my frustration and anger.

I get rid of her and promise myself never to bother with this nonsense again.

How stupid are these women? She told me she has no job, is a Vennie without papers, and life is very hard. I had felt sorry for her. She could have had an easy 200 K from me today, and regularly every week, if she had provided what she promised.

Her name on Seeking is Danny, and her profile is:

https://members.seeking.com/member/2...3-e2867a0f1e16

On a positive note, immediately after I headed over to "Casas de Amigas" and banged a really curvy girl with big tits, who gave me great service for 55 K (30 minutes). It was my first time at this casa and I will return. There were only 3 girls presented to me (the others were busy) but I could see that this is a popular place with lots of vibe and energy.

[RacShack]

There has been a lot of resistance to Uber, since it first showed up in Colombia. The taxi drivers were upset at the competition, frequently violently upset. Uber drivers have been beaten up and had their cars trashed.

That's the only reason why you'll usually be asked to sit in the front seat.

While on the subject, Taxi, Uber, Didi, InDriver and all other drivers for hire really appreciate it when you close the car door gently. It's not so much that they appreciate it, it's that they get quite upset when you slam the door. I've seen drivers get out of their taxi and start screaming at someone who slammed the door.

LOL I remember the lesson I got first hand getting out of taxi, you had to school me!!

[Knowledge]

If you ask girl where she is coming from (preferably the address but the barrio is good enough) you can plug it into the ride share apps (uber / didi / indriver), or taxi apps (coopebombas / cabify) to get a quote estimate so you don't have to guess or be a long time resident to know. You can also pay by cash or credit card depending on your preference. These are simple solutions available to anyone with internet access.

Best thing to do is negotiate a price which includes their transportation and let them figure it out. If you go with the "fee plus taxi" model, then I usually use one of three options:

1) I go down to meet her at the taxi and pay what's on the meter (if the meter is erased, I won't pay). I give her about the same when she leaves.

2) Send her home by Uber, which you pay for through your phone.

3) Have her use Driver and note the amount that she offers to the driver.

Once you have been in Medellin long enough, you'll have a good idea what it costs to bring girls to your place. Girls from Bello, Popular, Sabaneta, Itagui will cost more (depending on where you are) and girls coming from Belen, Aranjuez, Manrique, etc. Will cost you less.