American Politics

**Tiny 12** · 09-20-23 16:12

Originally Posted by MarquisdeSade1 [View Original Post]

Flake is no hero hes a turd if he had an ounce of honor he and Romney would both kill themselves for bringing such shame to the Church.

Mormons don't pray to Donald Trump. They pray to God and golden plates. And they call the devil "Satan", not "Mitt Romney."

**MarquisdeSade1** · 09-20-23 15:16

"That's plain silly Marquis. Biden would lose to any of the Republican candidates save one. But he would beat Charles Manson and Donald Trump.

Romney was a management consultant then private equity head for Bain capital. He created more jobs than he destroyed, and improved productivity at the companies he advised and helped acquire. If you believe experience in the private sector is relevant to government, then Romney's your man if you want the USA to be an economic and industrial power house.

Trump on the other hand started with $400 million from his father and over $1 billion from bondholders and banks who he didn't repay. And that was back when $1. 4 billion was a lot of money. And ended up with assets that are worth less than what he started with after you account for inflation.

You and I paid a lot more taxes than Trump did in many years, because he was able to use that $1 billion that he didn't repay the bondholders as a carried forward tax loss for many years. Based on Trump's experience in the private sector, you might expect him to run up the national debt and push for rock bottom interest rates, like he did with his Atlantic City casinos and banks. And he did that. Romney on the other hand was better prepared from his business experience to make America competitive and prosperous again.

That's not to say that Trump wasn't head and shoulders above Biden in terms of economic policy. He was.

Flake is an American hero. Please educate me on how he used Mexican slave labor. ".

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...ge-and-gaffes/

**MarquisdeSade1** · 09-20-23 15:08

"So, as opposed to links describing or showing Biden lying, and there are many, I'm supposed to find links of a major televised campaign speech where Biden says something about someone who won't run against him. That should be easy but it's pointless. And find where he says we might begin World War II. OK, he is kind of senile, but I think he knows World War II happened a long time ago.

Unusually, your post isn't comprehensible, to me at least, so I don't understand what you're getting at. But I suspect you're trying to do the three card monte deal. Like where we're supposed to totally ignore every Republican state with a large population and every Democratic state with a small population and then say the country is a an oligarchy ruled by the landed class. ".

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023...f-ukraine-war/

**EihTooms** · 09-20-23 11:10

Originally Posted by Tiny12 [View Original Post]

That's plain silly Marquis. Biden would lose to any of the Republican candidates save one. But he would beat Charles Manson and Donald Trump.

Romney was a management consultant then private equity head for Bain capital. He created more jobs than he destroyed, and improved productivity at the companies he advised and helped acquire. If you believe experience in the private sector is relevant to government, then Romney's your man if you want the USA to be an economic and industrial power house.

Trump on the other hand started with $400 million from his father and over $1 billion from bondholders and banks who he didn't repay. And that was back when $1. 4 billion was a lot of money. And ended up with assets that are worth less than what he started with after you account for inflation.

You and I paid a lot more taxes than Trump did in many years, because he was able to use that $1 billion that he didn't repay the bondholders as a carried forward tax loss for many years. Based on Trump's experience in the private sector, you might expect him to run up the national debt and push for rock bottom interest rates, like he did with his Atlantic City casinos and banks. And he did that. Romney on the other hand was better prepared from his business experience to make America competitive and prosperous again.

That's not to say that Trump wasn't head and shoulders above Biden in terms of economic policy. He was.

Flake is an American hero. Please educate me on how he used Mexican slave labor.

Back to the post I meant to submit earlier.

In 2012, MittWitt pledged his brilliant Repub policies and stewardship would lower the unemployment rate to 6% by the end of his first term:

Romney Doubles Down on Vow of 6% Unemployment.
May 23, 2012

https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...6-unemployment

Obama's policies got it there in half the time. All while every idiot Repub in the country was screaming that THIS Great Dem Economic Recovery from GW Bush's Great Repub Recession and Massive Repub Jobs Destruction was "the slowest" Great Dem Economic Recovery from a Great Repub Recession and Massive Repub Jobs Destruction of any Great Dem Economic Recovery from a Great Repub Recession and Massive Repub Jobs Destruction before it. Oh boo hoo.

Nevermind that inconvenient detail about Moscow Mitch demanding all of his fellow Repubs in Congress vow on Obama's inauguration night not to lift so much as a pinkie finger to help Obama and the Dems pull us out of that historic Great Repub Recession and Massive Repub Jobs Destruction they created so as to make him a one term president.

In fact, Moscow Mitch openly pledged to "slow walk" any and all classic tried and true Great Dem Economic Recovery legislation he and his fellow Senate / Congressional Repubs could not totally thwart, obstruct and kill from the get-go. And so they did, keeping as many Americans suffering from the millions upon millions of jobs wiped out by their typically horrific Repub policies and stewardship for as long as their obstruction and "slow walking" of a Great Dem Economic Recovery could produce.

Mitt Romney promised he'd cut unemployment to 6% in one term. It's already down to 5%.
Dec. 4, 2015

https://www.vox.com/2015/1/9/7522563...ment-promise-6

President Obama Has Cut the Unemployment Rate More Than Any President since FDR.
Jan. 6, 2017

https://tcf.org/content/commentary/p...ent-since-fdr/

Repubs don't know shit about the economy. None of them.

Never did. Never will.

The absolute worst economic results from the policies and stewardship of any president ever have all been from Repub presidents' policies and stewardship; Hoover's, GW Bush's and Trump's being at the top of The Worst of All Time List. By stark contrast, the Best Economic Recoveries, Jobs Creation and Economic Results have all been produced by Dem Economic Policies and Stewardship; FDR, JFK / LBJ, Carter, Clinton, Obama, Biden, the Dem list of Best Ever just goes on and on.

**EihTooms** · 09-20-23 10:20

Originally Posted by Tiny12 [View Original Post]

That's plain silly Marquis. Biden would lose to any of the Republican candidates save one. But he would beat Charles Manson and Donald Trump.

Romney was a management consultant then private equity head for Bain capital. He created more jobs than he destroyed, and improved productivity at the companies he advised and helped acquire. If you believe experience in the private sector is relevant to government, then Romney's your man if you want the USA to be an economic and industrial power house.

Trump on the other hand started with $400 million from his father and over $1 billion from bondholders and banks who he didn't repay. And that was back when $1. 4 billion was a lot of money. And ended up with assets that are worth less than what he started with after you account for inflation.

You and I paid a lot more taxes than Trump did in many years, because he was able to use that $1 billion that he didn't repay the bondholders as a carried forward tax loss for many years. Based on Trump's experience in the private sector, you might expect him to run up the national debt and push for rock bottom interest rates, like he did with his Atlantic City casinos and banks. And he did that. Romney on the other hand was better prepared from his business experience to make America competitive and prosperous again.

That's not to say that Trump wasn't head and shoulders above Biden in terms of economic policy. He was.

Flake is an American hero. Please educate me on how he used Mexican slave labor.

In 2012, MittWitt boldly pledged that his brilliant Repub policies would reduce the unemployment rate to 6% by the end of his first presidential term:

https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...6-unemployment

**EihTooms** · 09-20-23 05:06

Rather than contribute to, change or meaningfully subtract from the Clinton / Dem policies that produced the historic recovery, jobs creation, economic expansion and budget surpluses of the Clinton years, even slavishly loyal longtime Repub Menace to America Moscow Mitch could not help noticing iconic Repub former Speaker of the House Nude Grinbitch's government shutdowns accomplished nothing but bad news for his beloved Repub Party.

Which, hilariously, Moscow Mitch sees as "critically important for the American people" to avoid. Those who love Great Repub Recessions, Massive Repub Jobs Destruction, Skyrocketing Repub Deficits with nothing to show for it and all those other wonderful things the USA gets when politically and electorally good things happen for Repubs, that is.

Yeah, it would have been a refreshing change if that classic old Repub had at least mentioned in passing that those Repub government shutdowns are also generally bad / losers for America, the American people, USA jobs, the USA economy, the Great Repub Deficits, etc etc etc.

But considering none of those things are top, middle or bottom of mind for a Repub and his Party's only concern, ever, is for its political and election prospects, I suppose that is not a reasonable expectation.

McConnell warns that shutdowns have 'always been a loser for Republicans'

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...ose-rcna105885

"Ive seen a few of them over the years. They never have produced a policy change and they've always been a loser for Republicans politically," he said.

**EihTooms** · 09-20-23 04:05

Originally Posted by SubCmdr [View Original Post]

"In 1787 the framers of the United States Constitution established in Article I the structure and powers of Congress. They debated the idea of a Congress made up of two houses. One house would be, in the words of Virginia's George Mason, the "grand depository of the democratic principle of government. " To counter this popular influence in the national government, James Madison of Virginia proposed another house that would be small, deliberative, and independent from the larger, more democratic house. This became the Senate. ".

https://www.senate.gov/about/origins-foundations.htm

Many aspects of the constitution was a compromise in order to get it adopted. 3/5 of a person clause comes to mind.

https://www.theusconstitution.org/ne...hs-compromise/

From your first link:

The Constitution granted state legislatures the power to elect United States senators. Supporters of the Constitution argued that this method of election would strengthen the states' ties to the national government and insulate senators from shifting public opinion. To further distance the Senate from democratic pressures, the framers also provided that only one-third of the Senate would stand for election every two years.

Ah yes, those pesky public opinions and democratic pressures.. Must reduce the influence of that at all costs.

Why, if it got out of hand the next thing you know those 3/5th voters might find themselves with a full 5/5th of a vote. And that will require a slew of other Southern Straregies and Shenanigans to MAGA like it was in those sorely missed 3/5th days.

**SubCmdr** · 09-19-23 20:17

Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]

So it seems it was rigged in favor of land barons over the greater number of individuals from the beginning.

And all while creating the illusion of numerical fairness for those most likely to lose a ton of $20 bills at a 3-Card Monte table.

"In 1787 the framers of the United States Constitution established in Article I the structure and powers of Congress. They debated the idea of a Congress made up of two houses. One house would be, in the words of Virginia's George Mason, the "grand depository of the democratic principle of government. " To counter this popular influence in the national government, James Madison of Virginia proposed another house that would be small, deliberative, and independent from the larger, more democratic house. This became the Senate. ".

https://www.senate.gov/about/origins-foundations.htm

Many aspects of the constitution was a compromise in order to get it adopted. 3/5 of a person clause comes to mind.

https://www.theusconstitution.org/ne...hs-compromise/

**MarquisdeSade1** · 09-19-23 19:57

"That's plain silly Marquis. Biden would lose to any of the Republican candidates save one. But he would beat Charles Manson and Donald Trump.

Romney was a management consultant then private equity head for Bain capital. He created more jobs than he destroyed, and improved productivity at the companies he advised and helped acquire. If you believe experience in the private sector is relevant to government, then Romney's your man if you want the USA to be an economic and industrial power house.

Trump on the other hand started with $400 million from his father and over $1 billion from bondholders and banks who he didn't repay. And that was back when $1. 4 billion was a lot of money. And ended up with assets that are worth less than what he started with after you account for inflation.

You and I paid a lot more taxes than Trump did in many years, because he was able to use that $1 billion that he didn't repay the bondholders as a carried forward tax loss for many years. Based on Trump's experience in the private sector, you might expect him to run up the national debt and push for rock bottom interest rates, like he did with his Atlantic City casinos and banks. And he did that. Romney on the other hand was better prepared from his business experience to make America competitive and prosperous again.

That's not to say that Trump wasn't head and shoulders above Biden in terms of economic policy. He was.

Flake is an American hero. Please educate me on how he used Mexican slave labor. ".

https://www.newsmax.com/jeffcrouere/...18/id/1134904/

Flake is no hero hes a turd if he had an ounce of honor he and Romney would both kill themselves for bringing such shame to the Church.

**EihTooms** · 09-19-23 19:51

Originally Posted by Tiny12 [View Original Post]

So, as opposed to links describing or showing Biden lying, and there are many, I'm supposed to find links of a major televised campaign speech where Biden says something about someone who won't run against him. That should be easy but it's pointless. And find where he says we might begin World War II. OK, he is kind of senile, but I think he knows World War II happened a long time ago.

Unusually, your post isn't comprehensible, to me at least, so I don't understand what you're getting at. But I suspect you're trying to do the three card monte deal. Like where we're supposed to totally ignore every Republican state with a large population and every Democratic state with a small population and then say the country is a an oligarchy ruled by the landed class.

I'll take that as an "I can't provide any links for anything remotely like that with Biden because there aren't any" response.

Or is it another, "Google (or Politifact or all available evidence, etc) is Left Leaning and the Repub Party memo demands that I say it can not be trusted so I will stick with that notion as my excuse for not substantiating what I just pulled out of my butt" response?

Joe Biden is no less lucid and cognitively capable as any 40 year old news anchor on any national news program. And many times better informed and prepared to deal with real world presidential level issues than they are.

The only difference is he might speak more slowly and does dodge stutter-trigger words as necessary. Which requires more agile and nimble facility with the language than most public speakers have ever mastered at any age. I do not hear Joe Biden stumble or bobble over the wrong word or a mispronunciation of a word any more than any professional public speaker, politician or successful business executive 1/3 his age.

He is many times smoother and more confident in extemporaneous interviews than, say, Elon Musk, who is a stammering, lost, long awkward pause, word searching train wreck at such times.

In a debate, Joe Biden would make DeSantis sound like he had recently suffered a debilitating brain injury.

Against Trump, Joe Biden would slaughter him on the facts and on the solutions to whatever horrific problem Repubs have created even more thoroughly than he did in 2020. That is, if either DeSantis or Trump would have the balls to show up for a debate with Joe Biden or hide from it the way Trump did in 2020.

**MarquisdeSade1** · 09-19-23 19:40

"That's plain silly Marquis. Biden would lose to any of the Republican candidates save one. But he would beat Charles Manson and Donald Trump.

Romney was a management consultant then private equity head for Bain capital. He created more jobs than he destroyed, and improved productivity at the companies he advised and helped acquire. If you believe experience in the private sector is relevant to government, then Romney's your man if you want the USA to be an economic and industrial power house.

Trump on the other hand started with $400 million from his father and over $1 billion from bondholders and banks who he didn't repay. And that was back when $1. 4 billion was a lot of money. And ended up with assets that are worth less than what he started with after you account for inflation.

You and I paid a lot more taxes than Trump did in many years, because he was able to use that $1 billion that he didn't repay the bondholders as a carried forward tax loss for many years. Based on Trump's experience in the private sector, you might expect him to run up the national debt and push for rock bottom interest rates, like he did with his Atlantic City casinos and banks. And he did that. Romney on the other hand was better prepared from his business experience to make America competitive and prosperous again.

That's not to say that Trump wasn't head and shoulders above Biden in terms of economic policy. He was.

Flake is an American hero. Please educate me on how he used Mexican slave labor. ".

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...ground-states/

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...ed-nationally/

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023...lican-in-2024/

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...gop-candidate/

**MarquisdeSade1** · 09-19-23 19:33

"That's plain silly Marquis. Biden would lose to any of the Republican candidates save one. But he would beat Charles Manson and Donald Trump.

Romney was a management consultant then private equity head for Bain capital. He created more jobs than he destroyed, and improved productivity at the companies he advised and helped acquire. If you believe experience in the private sector is relevant to government, then Romney's your man if you want the USA to be an economic and industrial power house.

Trump on the other hand started with $400 million from his father and over $1 billion from bondholders and banks who he didn't repay. And that was back when $1. 4 billion was a lot of money. And ended up with assets that are worth less than what he started with after you account for inflation.

You and I paid a lot more taxes than Trump did in many years, because he was able to use that $1 billion that he didn't repay the bondholders as a carried forward tax loss for many years. Based on Trump's experience in the private sector, you might expect him to run up the national debt and push for rock bottom interest rates, like he did with his Atlantic City casinos and banks. And he did that. Romney on the other hand was better prepared from his business experience to make America competitive and prosperous again.

That's not to say that Trump wasn't head and shoulders above Biden in terms of economic policy. He was.

Flake is an American hero. Please educate me on how he used Mexican slave labor. ".

I've seen several interviews with him over the years including the Daily Show w / Trevor Noah LMAO.

Where all he ever has to say is how much he, loves his dirtcheap Mexican slaves / labourers on his ranch.

I've heard him swoon over them every time he spoke like he was going to cry over how little they let him pay them!!

**Tiny 12** · 09-19-23 15:37

Originally Posted by MarquisdeSade1 [View Original Post]

https://www.businessinsider.com/chec...ng-down-2011-8

Romney stole all the money he has via vulture capitalism.

Flake just used old fashioned Mexican slavery / slaves.

2 parasites the world will instantly become a better place once both are dead.

ZERO election denialism.

Just calling a spade a spade it was rigged!!

And EVERYONE knows it, including you.

Dirty Joe couldn't beat Charles Manson not even posthumously.

That's plain silly Marquis. Biden would lose to any of the Republican candidates save one. But he would beat Charles Manson and Donald Trump.

Romney was a management consultant then private equity head for Bain capital. He created more jobs than he destroyed, and improved productivity at the companies he advised and helped acquire. If you believe experience in the private sector is relevant to government, then Romney's your man if you want the USA to be an economic and industrial power house.

Trump on the other hand started with $400 million from his father and over $1 billion from bondholders and banks who he didn't repay. And that was back when $1. 4 billion was a lot of money. And ended up with assets that are worth less than what he started with after you account for inflation.

You and I paid a lot more taxes than Trump did in many years, because he was able to use that $1 billion that he didn't repay the bondholders as a carried forward tax loss for many years. Based on Trump's experience in the private sector, you might expect him to run up the national debt and push for rock bottom interest rates, like he did with his Atlantic City casinos and banks. And he did that. Romney on the other hand was better prepared from his business experience to make America competitive and prosperous again.

That's not to say that Trump wasn't head and shoulders above Biden in terms of economic policy. He was.

Flake is an American hero. Please educate me on how he used Mexican slave labor.

**Tiny 12** · 09-19-23 15:25

Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]

We are all anxious to see the video clips and quotes of Joe Biden THREE TIMES in a major televized campaign speech cite a person who in no way ever ran against him or ever will run against him, by law, as his upcoming election opponent and close with a big, dramatic, obviously rehearsed warning that we might begin WWII any minute now.

Please provide them as soon as possible.

So, as opposed to links describing or showing Biden lying, and there are many, I'm supposed to find links of a major televised campaign speech where Biden says something about someone who won't run against him. That should be easy but it's pointless. And find where he says we might begin World War II. OK, he is kind of senile, but I think he knows World War II happened a long time ago.

Unusually, your post isn't comprehensible, to me at least, so I don't understand what you're getting at. But I suspect you're trying to do the three card monte deal. Like where we're supposed to totally ignore every Republican state with a large population and every Democratic state with a small population and then say the country is a an oligarchy ruled by the landed class.

**Tiny 12** · 09-19-23 15:16

Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]

It's difficult to find a more current assessment.

But the pattern in any Google Search I have made on the topic puts Fux News clearly in the lead among Fake News Liars, MSNBC far behind in 2nd Place and CNN the least Fake News Liar of those three:

https://www.politifact.com/article/2...-meter-scorec/

Dear Tooms,

Politifact has a left of center bias.

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/politifact

And furthermore your Politifact link lumps MSNBC in with NBC. NBC lies a lot less than MSNBC.

I stand by what I said.

Sincerely,

Fair and Balanced Tiny.