Tokyo

[Tommyh80]

I have been reading the thread, and it seems like there are not many who is like me, a person who is happy with a skilled handjob. It seems that in Shinjuku area, the stablishment "Lovely Hands" is going to satisfy me in that regard?

[Traveler X]

Thanks for the response, I am different than most guys LOL cost isn't that big of a deal for me. I have all the cheaper options mapped out if I ever need them. I like the chase and also maybe the ability to do something in the VIP room that normally doesn't happen. From your wording the possiblity is there, but more than likely it would cost extra on top of the VIP room. I might give it a try sometime.

The reason I asked about contact information is because most places out right ban there girls from giving out contact information. So knowing if it's allowed tells me to ask if I decided. Either being blunt or being discreet about it. Don't worry harbor no illusions about getting contact info. I have the contact info for several soapland and deari girls and I know. I message them and see them outside of there service. So my purpose in getting contact info is to attempt to smash outside of the place itself. I am an old hand at this just never tried this because I never thought it could lead to more. But it sounds like there is an opportunity for more.

So yes, VIP is an option for you. The reason I didn't go into more detail on my own experience is it super YMMV what happens, one girl does the exact same service another girl will let you do more. I don't want to recommend something as random as that when I think people are guaranteed a good time going with the normal base course, and it's frankly quite cheap for what you get in my opinion. Believe me, I used to try and date women who weren't anywhere the same league as these girls, not even close. Didn't get a kiss more often than not, not that I'd expect it. Why bother when you can pay to win and just expect it. It is incredibly cheap when you compare that.

I also don't want to spoil a good thing by suggesting to customers to try things they aren't allowed, giving girls who don't want it a hard time over it. They'll just ban foreigners if enough of us do that.

In Nagoya oppai pubs the VIP wasn't ridiculous like in Shinjuku, just a little more. But this was 20 years ago and the simping business model wasn't much a thing back then. Now it is everywhere. Pay just to impress a girl and hope for the best. Rather than say I got more mileage in VIP, what I did was identified the one girl that already gave me high mileage and would clearly give me more in a private VIP, and I took her. That works, and that's the only way I'd recommend. Don't take a girl you like to VIP expecting her to do more, she might not.

Exchanging contact is completely out in the open at Luxe and Housekibako. Completely shameless. I didn't see it in Lester but probably just because I couldn't see other customers where they seated me both times (it's random).

I understand the idea at a soapland, if I exchanged contact with such a girl it would be clear what it was for (or at least what I was trying). She is already having sex with you, so asking her sex elsewhere is cool. Converting a girl who gives light service into full sex is not the same thing. A girl might do that under the table but she probably doesn't.

Keep in mind the whole reason young cute girls gravitate to low mileage bars like girls bars is precisely because they don't want to or have to put out. Oppai pubs are right in the middle of these two extremes but since they are filled with young cute girls the chance is low. And as I pointed out since it is customary here to exchange info, that itself tells you enough. Keep in mind the whole business model attracts stalkers - unlike soapland where they already bang every guy any time any day. So I think it's a waste of time.

Anyways, exchanging info this is a change in trends where yes in the past many shops banned it. But now shops realize if it's going to happen anyways and they can't stop it, they should instead allow or encourage it but train the girls to weaponize it. I woudln't be surprised if a few shops shared credentials with the girls so they can bring in customers. Especially since girls quit all the time. In fact I'm sure a few shops do exactly that, even though most probably don't bother and have the girls do all the baiting. It's basic marketing.

[David032]

I believe every club has a VIP room. VIP is a completely private booth where other customers can't see unless they walk by and peek. So no door but good enough - the perfect balance of safety for the girl and illusion of naughtiness. It costs roughly 3 times as much. Let me work backwards from there and say there is nothing a girl could do to be worth 24000 en for 40 minutes. I have other options for that. In my experience with such things you'd pay 3 times as much and get either exactly the same service (but with privacy) or 2 times the service. Depending on the girl. That's a recipe for disappointment when you pay and get the same exact service sometimes.

It's up to the girl and the staff wouldn't know and it is in their own interest not to know. But my experience with this is some girls will simply give you way better service on the floor than a different girl in a VIP booth. That is way too common. Put your effort in finding a high service girl, than taking some girl you like into VIP and praying she somehow becomes a high service girl. I wouldn't expect it.

Let me point out that at kabakura it's 1/2 the cost and you can't touch the girl, just talk. After all, you are only paying them to talk! So does it make any sense to go to a kabakura and try to kiss the girl and make her go topless? You get thrown out. Just go to an oppai club if you want to do that. So let's take this further. There are literally already clubs where you can touch a girl's bottom parts all you want. Usually butt naked. I went to one called Hadaka no Ousama (the Emperor with no clothes). So it is just a silly thing to try to take an in-between oppai club and then make the girl perform those bottomless services when you aren't paying them to. VIP does not entitle you to anything at all. Go to that next level club instead.

The real purpose if VIP is simping. You show off to a girl how much money you are willing to spend on her, even though she doesn't actually like you. Just want to spell it out real clear there. Believe me, I can spend as much as I like but don't see the appeal of paying a lot more to get a little more, when I could just pay less to get a lot more elsewhere. These clubs count on normal guys walking in and falling in love and spending more than they expect. That's why they offer such cheap intro rates. They know 9 out of 10 guys come in, have fun, and don't come back. That's cool with them. But they're looking for that 1 guy who keeps coming back and dumping all they have on a girl.

Buying a girl a drink is somewhere between 2400 and 2900 depending on a club (at kabakura it was 1400 to 1900). I don't mind doing it if I confirm I like the girl first. For some girls it clearly improves mileage but for others it does not. But by that I mean in most cases they are already high mileage and doing everything I want, so all the more reason for me to buy them a drink! I am not some guy who tricks girls into giving me a good time, if she goes out of her way even though I haven't bought her a drink yet then I am buying her a drink without her even asking. Yes a few girls are simply low mileage, but that is not common and is a sign that she is very new.

At least half of customers don't buy drinks. If you genuinely can't afford it then don't buy the drinks and you will still have fun.

Most girls will give you their contact info, it's all too common now. But the purpose of that is to get you to come back to the club. They are doing it with dozens of other guys. You are not special even if you simp for her. There are multiple simps per girl, remember. Notice how easy it is to get their contact info, that says everything. Even 20 years ago some girl I saw one time sent me a super nice message saying she misses me. I know I saw her but then realize I can't even remember her. Think about that. Do not have illusions.

I find when you really like a girl, suddenly it becomes possible for a girl to trick you into thinking she likes you. Even though it is so obvious to anyone else that she could not. Just don't. Why would an amazingly beautiful 20 year old girl be into you just because you saw her at an oppai club and licked her tits for money. Come on.

Just to be clear only 2 out of 12 girls I saw were amazingly beautiful. The other 10 ranged from cute or conventionally attractive to hot but not quite amazing. No average looking girl or any girl over 24. I'm sure they exist.

So anyways let me warn you how common it is to get a girl's contact info so you lose interest in that idea too. I mean if you like getting a message or three by all means but there are a lot of people where a random LINE message like that showing up on your phone screen would be..inconvenient.

Thanks for the response, I am different than most guys LOL cost isn't that big of a deal for me. I have all the cheaper options mapped out if I ever need them. I like the chase and also maybe the ability to do something in the VIP room that normally doesn't happen. From your wording the possiblity is there, but more than likely it would cost extra on top of the VIP room. I might give it a try sometime.

The reason I asked about contact information is because most places out right ban there girls from giving out contact information. So knowing if it's allowed tells me to ask if I decided. Either being blunt or being discreet about it. Don't worry harbor no illusions about getting contact info. I have the contact info for several soapland and deari girls and I know. I message them and see them outside of there service. So my purpose in getting contact info is to attempt to smash outside of the place itself. I am an old hand at this just never tried this because I never thought it could lead to more. But it sounds like there is an opportunity for more.

[Traveler X]

Thanks for the review of everything in. I live in Japan but haven't tried these clubs yet was curious on Luxe it has a VIP room. Does getting the VIP give you anything extra or is it just litterly a private room. Also have you ever gotten a girls contact and been able to see her outside of the club.

I believe every club has a VIP room. VIP is a completely private booth where other customers can't see unless they walk by and peek. So no door but good enough - the perfect balance of safety for the girl and illusion of naughtiness. It costs roughly 3 times as much. Let me work backwards from there and say there is nothing a girl could do to be worth 24000 en for 40 minutes. I have other options for that. In my experience with such things you'd pay 3 times as much and get either exactly the same service (but with privacy) or 2 times the service. Depending on the girl. That's a recipe for disappointment when you pay and get the same exact service sometimes.

It's up to the girl and the staff wouldn't know and it is in their own interest not to know. But my experience with this is some girls will simply give you way better service on the floor than a different girl in a VIP booth. That is way too common. Put your effort in finding a high service girl, than taking some girl you like into VIP and praying she somehow becomes a high service girl. I wouldn't expect it.

Let me point out that at kabakura it's 1/2 the cost and you can't touch the girl, just talk. After all, you are only paying them to talk! So does it make any sense to go to a kabakura and try to kiss the girl and make her go topless? You get thrown out. Just go to an oppai club if you want to do that. So let's take this further. There are literally already clubs where you can touch a girl's bottom parts all you want. Usually butt naked. I went to one called Hadaka no Ousama (the Emperor with no clothes). So it is just a silly thing to try to take an in-between oppai club and then make the girl perform those bottomless services when you aren't paying them to. VIP does not entitle you to anything at all. Go to that next level club instead.

The real purpose if VIP is simping. You show off to a girl how much money you are willing to spend on her, even though she doesn't actually like you. Just want to spell it out real clear there. Believe me, I can spend as much as I like but don't see the appeal of paying a lot more to get a little more, when I could just pay less to get a lot more elsewhere. These clubs count on normal guys walking in and falling in love and spending more than they expect. That's why they offer such cheap intro rates. They know 9 out of 10 guys come in, have fun, and don't come back. That's cool with them. But they're looking for that 1 guy who keeps coming back and dumping all they have on a girl.

Buying a girl a drink is somewhere between 2400 and 2900 depending on a club (at kabakura it was 1400 to 1900). I don't mind doing it if I confirm I like the girl first. For some girls it clearly improves mileage but for others it does not. But by that I mean in most cases they are already high mileage and doing everything I want, so all the more reason for me to buy them a drink! I am not some guy who tricks girls into giving me a good time, if she goes out of her way even though I haven't bought her a drink yet then I am buying her a drink without her even asking. Yes a few girls are simply low mileage, but that is not common and is a sign that she is very new.

At least half of customers don't buy drinks. If you genuinely can't afford it then don't buy the drinks and you will still have fun.

Most girls will give you their contact info, it's all too common now. But the purpose of that is to get you to come back to the club. They are doing it with dozens of other guys. You are not special even if you simp for her. There are multiple simps per girl, remember. Notice how easy it is to get their contact info, that says everything. Even 20 years ago some girl I saw one time sent me a super nice message saying she misses me. I know I saw her but then realize I can't even remember her. Think about that. Do not have illusions.

I find when you really like a girl, suddenly it becomes possible for a girl to trick you into thinking she likes you. Even though it is so obvious to anyone else that she could not. Just don't. Why would an amazingly beautiful 20 year old girl be into you just because you saw her at an oppai club and licked her tits for money. Come on.

Just to be clear only 2 out of 12 girls I saw were amazingly beautiful. The other 10 ranged from cute or conventionally attractive to hot but not quite amazing. No average looking girl or any girl over 24. I'm sure they exist.

So anyways let me warn you how common it is to get a girl's contact info so you lose interest in that idea too. I mean if you like getting a message or three by all means but there are a lot of people where a random LINE message like that showing up on your phone screen would be..inconvenient.

[David032]

Hi, I've been going Japan 20 for years, my account is actually that old but haven't logged in much. It's time to give back. I will write about oppai pubs first, but not sure how much interest there is so will keep it brief to start.

Shinjuku has the most and best oppai pubs. Translated "breast club", it is typically all-you-can-drink where girls come and sit and chat and you can kiss them or suck on their tits. Ask them to hop on. Other guys around are doing the same, it is semi-private. There are extra charges if you want to buy the girl a drink. The most common rate is for 40 minutes of drinking where 3 girls visit you, so maybe 10 minutes per girl. A typical "promo" rate is 8000 yen for that, discounted to 6000 yen if it is early (8/10pm). So I can have 1-3 beers at a fixed price, obviously the draw is the girl. The system is in contrast to kabakura clubs where you don't touch the girls and you might get 60 minutes for 4000 with 2 girls (cheaper and longer, but no touch just talk).

You can always get the promo rate by going to a "free information booth" in Shinjuku, most info booths are Japanese but these days at least one is English for foreigners. Some girls will give you a 3000 yen discount card for next time, use it if you like them. That discounts off the "regular rate" which varies by when you go. Usually cheaper than promo rate without discount, but then you get that girl on the card if she's working that day.

After 40 minutes you can extend, but the rates vary after that since 6000/8000 are sometimes promo rates to get you in. They have things like vip (pronounced veep) and other options that are much more expensive, for simps. Don't simp for a girl no matter how much you like her. Just see her again instead.

Since it is just breast play and kissing, the girls are generally young and attractive. Plenty of 20-23 year olds. 24 is considered old, I had a girl apologize for being 24. All are conventionally attractive, a few are very beautiful. It is not something you think about much, but girls in their 20's have much nicer skin and much better feeling natural breasts. No contest.

While it is always possible to get a young attractive girl at soapland, more often you are expecting a decent looking girl in her 30's if not MILF. Soapland to me is a novelty but not the main attraction of Japan. I had fun but simply not interested. But I can still answer any questions about them for those interested.

A new club called Leicester (pronounced as-if Lester in Japanese) gives you an idea of the girls working. The photos are real. The girls in-person have much less make up on than the ad, since it is not fun to kiss girls with make up. For example in the banner of girls, the 5th girl from the left with big smile is Uta. She is nice and friendly and quite forward:

https://www.cabaseku.jp/kanto/kabukichou/shop/1537/

I liked Hazuki the most, but girls come and go in this business and I could not get her on my second visit:

https://www.cabaseku.jp/kanto/kabuki...37/girl/93065/

Don't go Leicester unless you can speak some Japanese. Foreigners are allowed if they can speak some Japanese and follow common sense rules. To give you an idea of how new this club is, they just opened two weeks ago. As I said it is a revolving door and it is not uncommon to meet a girl on her first or second day on the job, though most girls are regulars. Be respectful with your words and read her body language, every girl is different.

The most foreigner friendly one I know is Luxe:

https://luxe-shinjuku.jp

At Luxe, most of the staff speak perfect English. Some obviously lived in the US and it is explicitly a foreigner-friendly club. I saw more foreigners than Japanese on a weekday but I'm sure it varies. As such, like all "tourist spots", it does mean it "isn't as good" as the Japanese-only clubs for reasons too long to get into. But I had lots of fun still, and I would recommend it if you have not done oppai pubs before. The girls are cool, every girl is very different, and it's like meeting Asian strippers but you get to kiss and suck on them freely with other people around doing the same to their girl. The girls are obviously used to foreigners here. As with any shop in the world, some girls are high service other girls are low service. Just how it is.

My favorite club is Hosekibako, but like Leicester you should speak enough Japanese to go:

https://www.hosekibako-shinjuku.com

Unfortunately, Hosekibako's site won't let you explore the site and see the girls unless your internet is in Japan. The moment you land in Japan and use hotel or free wifi you can browse freely and see their girls. International roaming does NOT ping you as in Japan for these purposes. You'll know your internet is "in Japan" when you see Japanese ads on your youtube, reddit, etc. It's hilarious.

In my experience, it is more important that you are able to understand Japanese and follow common sense rules, than your own speaking ability. You cannot touch a girl's privates below the waist is the most important rule. Don't be rough with the girls obviously.

I have to keep things brief so some Japanese words. "Free" aka furee is the normal course when you see 3 random girls for 40 minutes, as opposed to "shimei" where you nominate/extend a specific girl you like by name. Before you go in, you gargle your mouth with mouthwash and spit it back into the cup and pour it down the drain. If it's your first time they explain the rules and upcharge options, which is what already I said plus the bare minimum of common sense like don't hurt girls. When you walk in they might ask about otearai which means if you need to use the bathroom. Daijoubu desu means you're good. When you sit they give you a towel and ask about "nomimono" which is what you want to drink. Beer is beeru. VIP is veep, don't pay for that. Most girls will ask if you'll buy them a drink, some guys do some guys don't - if I like a girl I do it's complicated to explain the pros and cons. Know how to ask or signal a girl to hop on you and show you her tits, I managed to ask that with 3 months of Japanese 20 years ago. Make an effort yourself.

If a girl is shy, I ask for permission even though the answer is always yes. If she is forward, just go at it.

I will write more if there is interest, or I can write guides on other shops or cities instead.

Thanks for the review of everything in. I live in Japan but haven't tried these clubs yet was curious on Luxe it has a VIP room. Does getting the VIP give you anything extra or is it just litterly a private room. Also have you ever gotten a girls contact and been able to see her outside of the club.

[Traveler X]

Coming to Tokyo on 16th with family and would like to experience the Oppai Pub. Will be staying in Ikebukuro and would appreciate if any pointers can be provided.

I would prefer the pubs in Ikebukuro if there are any. The Luxe is pretty far and will raise eyebrows.

There is a RLD in Ikebukuro but don't know much about it. However a sure tell is if you see a shop information center like Manzoku. It will say "18 years and up" on curtains so kids can't see inside, and have lots of posters of clubs. Any person in there would know exactly where you could go based on your interest and speaking ability. That's all they do.

The Manzoku info shops make money by introducing you to a shop. They aren't affiliated with the shop, never had a problem with them and they are upfront with accurate info. The pros outweigh the cons in my opinion. Don't talk to black or Chinese touts for sex services in my opinion. I walk past them and ignore them completely so they can focus on the next foreigner.

Anyways, if I went to Housekibako myself without any coupons, I would pay between 6000 to 10000 yen. Manzoku's promo rate is always either as good or better than that, whether 6000 or 8000, and either they walk you to the shop or the shop sends their own guy to pick you up on foot. You might be able to find a slightly better deal online through Housekibako's own website by an online coupon, but there are many hurdles to that so I don't even bother. It turns out that no matter how expensive a club is, every shop honors the Manzoku rate. Once you go to a shop, most girls give you their card which is then going to be slightly cheaper for your 2nd visit. However, for your 3rd visit or if you don't want to use that girls card, you can go through Manzoku again. I was upfront that it's my 2nd time and so was Manzoku when calling the shop and there was no problem (clubs compete against each other so they'd rather have you than not unless they're packed). But I try not to overdo that and go direct to the club if I know their formula rate is just the same as Manzoku.

To your last comment, you probably shouldn't go to the RLD after all. You are only allowed to have 1 problem at a time like "I don't have enough time", "I can't get caught", etc. But not 2 at the same time. You may think you have just enough time but then realize that one girl wore a strong smell that is now all over you and your shirt. 10 out of 12 girls I saw had no smell, 2 did! God damn what do I do now, it's the weirdest thing to think after you just had an amazing time with women. You get the idea.

Wipes from a combini might help with your skin and the smell off your shirt might be gone in 12 to 48 hours if you hide it that long. But as you can see the "I don't have enough time" clashes with "I can't get caught" issue. If it was just one of those two I could tell you the easy solution. Not both!

[Malayil]

Hi, I've been going Japan 20 for years, my account is actually that old but haven't logged in much. It's time to give back. I will write about oppai pubs first, but not sure how much interest there is so will keep it brief to start..

Hi,

Coming to Tokyo on 16th with family and would like to experience the Oppai Pub. Will be staying in Ikebukuro and would appreciate if any pointers can be provided.

I would prefer the pubs in Ikebukuro if there are any. The Luxe is pretty far and will raise eyebrows.

Thanks.

[Traveler X]

Hi, I've been going Japan 20 for years, my account is actually that old but haven't logged in much. It's time to give back. I will write about oppai pubs first, but not sure how much interest there is so will keep it brief to start.

Shinjuku has the most and best oppai pubs. Translated "breast club", it is typically all-you-can-drink where girls come and sit and chat and you can kiss them or suck on their tits. Ask them to hop on. Other guys around are doing the same, it is semi-private. There are extra charges if you want to buy the girl a drink. The most common rate is for 40 minutes of drinking where 3 girls visit you, so maybe 10 minutes per girl. A typical "promo" rate is 8000 yen for that, discounted to 6000 yen if it is early (8/10pm). So I can have 1-3 beers at a fixed price, obviously the draw is the girl. The system is in contrast to kabakura clubs where you don't touch the girls and you might get 60 minutes for 4000 with 2 girls (cheaper and longer, but no touch just talk).

You can always get the promo rate by going to a "free information booth" in Shinjuku, most info booths are Japanese but these days at least one is English for foreigners. Some girls will give you a 3000 yen discount card for next time, use it if you like them. That discounts off the "regular rate" which varies by when you go. Usually cheaper than promo rate without discount, but then you get that girl on the card if she's working that day.

After 40 minutes you can extend, but the rates vary after that since 6000/8000 are sometimes promo rates to get you in. They have things like vip (pronounced veep) and other options that are much more expensive, for simps. Don't simp for a girl no matter how much you like her. Just see her again instead.

Since it is just breast play and kissing, the girls are generally young and attractive. Plenty of 20-23 year olds. 24 is considered old, I had a girl apologize for being 24. All are conventionally attractive, a few are very beautiful. It is not something you think about much, but girls in their 20's have much nicer skin and much better feeling natural breasts. No contest.

While it is always possible to get a young attractive girl at soapland, more often you are expecting a decent looking girl in her 30's if not MILF. Soapland to me is a novelty but not the main attraction of Japan. I had fun but simply not interested. But I can still answer any questions about them for those interested.

A new club called Leicester (pronounced as-if Lester in Japanese) gives you an idea of the girls working. The photos are real. The girls in-person have much less make up on than the ad, since it is not fun to kiss girls with make up. For example in the banner of girls, the 5th girl from the left with big smile is Uta. She is nice and friendly and quite forward:

https://www.cabaseku.jp/kanto/kabukichou/shop/1537/

I liked Hazuki the most, but girls come and go in this business and I could not get her on my second visit:

https://www.cabaseku.jp/kanto/kabuki...37/girl/93065/

Don't go Leicester unless you can speak some Japanese. Foreigners are allowed if they can speak some Japanese and follow common sense rules. To give you an idea of how new this club is, they just opened two weeks ago. As I said it is a revolving door and it is not uncommon to meet a girl on her first or second day on the job, though most girls are regulars. Be respectful with your words and read her body language, every girl is different.

The most foreigner friendly one I know is Luxe:

https://luxe-shinjuku.jp

At Luxe, most of the staff speak perfect English. Some obviously lived in the US and it is explicitly a foreigner-friendly club. I saw more foreigners than Japanese on a weekday but I'm sure it varies. As such, like all "tourist spots", it does mean it "isn't as good" as the Japanese-only clubs for reasons too long to get into. But I had lots of fun still, and I would recommend it if you have not done oppai pubs before. The girls are cool, every girl is very different, and it's like meeting Asian strippers but you get to kiss and suck on them freely with other people around doing the same to their girl. The girls are obviously used to foreigners here. As with any shop in the world, some girls are high service other girls are low service. Just how it is.

My favorite club is Hosekibako, but like Leicester you should speak enough Japanese to go:

https://www.hosekibako-shinjuku.com

Unfortunately, Hosekibako's site won't let you explore the site and see the girls unless your internet is in Japan. The moment you land in Japan and use hotel or free wifi you can browse freely and see their girls. International roaming does NOT ping you as in Japan for these purposes. You'll know your internet is "in Japan" when you see Japanese ads on your youtube, reddit, etc. It's hilarious.

In my experience, it is more important that you are able to understand Japanese and follow common sense rules, than your own speaking ability. You cannot touch a girl's privates below the waist is the most important rule. Don't be rough with the girls obviously.

I have to keep things brief so some Japanese words. "Free" aka furee is the normal course when you see 3 random girls for 40 minutes, as opposed to "shimei" where you nominate/extend a specific girl you like by name. Before you go in, you gargle your mouth with mouthwash and spit it back into the cup and pour it down the drain. If it's your first time they explain the rules and upcharge options, which is what already I said plus the bare minimum of common sense like don't hurt girls. When you walk in they might ask about otearai which means if you need to use the bathroom. Daijoubu desu means you're good. When you sit they give you a towel and ask about "nomimono" which is what you want to drink. Beer is beeru. VIP is veep, don't pay for that. Most girls will ask if you'll buy them a drink, some guys do some guys don't - if I like a girl I do it's complicated to explain the pros and cons. Know how to ask or signal a girl to hop on you and show you her tits, I managed to ask that with 3 months of Japanese 20 years ago. Make an effort yourself.

If a girl is shy, I ask for permission even though the answer is always yes. If she is forward, just go at it.

I will write more if there is interest, or I can write guides on other shops or cities instead.

[Pandita]

This is a detailed perspective to help newbie mongers like me. Skip to the middle for just the mongering stuff.

Getting cash: Japan is surprisingly still cash heavy. As a foreigner you need considerable amount of cash for daily transactions such as taxi, public transport (bus / subway), many local restaurants, vending machines, some stores, etc. This is because foreign (sometimes any) credit cards are not accepted in such places. Also, most Japanese bank ATMs will not recognize foreign MC / Visa despite the logos stamped on them. After googling, I found that the good old American 7-11 (aka '7-Bank') is by far the best (cheapest and accessible) way to get cash with a foreign card. There is a 7-11 or two, or three at every corner, and their ATMs only charge a flat 220 yen (less than $1. 50) for any withdrawal above 10,000 yen (up to what your card / bank will allow).

Local transport: Extremely convenient via the most extensive (and busiest) subway system I have encountered, super easy to get to any mongering corner of the city. Make sure you purchase a Suica / Pasmo card which you can top up as needed for local transport within any city. However, only cash works for both purchase and top up for foreigners. Only the bullet train ticket counter accepted my foreign CC.

Hobby: I was very skeptical following countless reports that suggest major aversion to foreigners in Japan. Most experiences reported here (outright rejections, hefty foreigner 'tax') were not reassuring. However, Japan is far and expensive to get to, so I was determined to make the best of a bad situation. No way I was going home empty handed. I am not into street walkers or night clubs, I prefer established incalls or outcall. My experience in Tokyo is restricted to such, but I did venture into RLDs at night just for the fun. Incredibly clean and organized (like everything in Japan), the walk of shame you would feel elsewhere never kicks in.

Hentai-Tokyo was my original target based on insights from this forum, but as I was browsing for intel, I came across an ad for Tokyo Amateur Escorts (https://amateurtokyo.com/), with a pricing structure that seemed more attractive, but no mention or reviews anywhere. I decided to pay them a visit and take one for the team if needed. They claim to only host Japanese girls, all under 25. Their website has very clear directions to their office near Shibuya subway station, but Google map will also take you there. The owner and his staff speak a bit of English, so easy to communicate. When I arrived the first time in late afternoon only 3 ladies were available despite lots listed on the website. All looked hot though. Another cause for concern is that when I made my choice, the owner shook his head and said 'no good', and suggested that I pick from the other 2, with a clear preference for one of them. My experiences with house recommendations around the world have been abysmal at best, so I was rather skeptical but did not wish to be impolite. Japanese are polite to a fault, so you feel a natural obligation to reciprocate. It was taking one for the team time.

Prices on their website are accurate, I opted for 65 min /21 k yen. Just remember you have to pay additional 2 k admission fee and another 2 k selection fee, whatever those mean. I guess it is a way for the house to make base revenue they don't have to split with the provider. After the (forced) 'selection' I was given a piece of paper (in Japanese) to take next door to the love motel (I think Onyx is the name), where I had to pay for the room separately. They had options for 60 min to 4 hours, I chose 90 min, paid (about 3 k) and got my key. They used the piece of paper I was given to coordinate the room number with the agency so the lady knows where to find me. Other agencies I visited (including Tokyo-Hentai) do it differently, the lady either meets you at the office or at a predetermined location near the office and you walk together (holding hands) to their default love motel. I guess this is part of the 'girlfriend experience'.

Anyway, back to the virgin experience. The room was small but clean and had all the essentials, a large screen TV, a toilet, a shower with bathtub, air conditioning (all 6 rooms I sessioned in at the Onyx were similar). The lady (going by Manami, https://amateurtokyo.com/%e6%a3%ae%e...1%aa%e3%81%bf/) knocked on the door after about 5 min. Young, hot, slender but shapely (feminine), tallish (about 5'6" almost modelesque. Spoke zero English, but very friendly personality and playful demeanor. My original skepticism began to melt instantly.

After a brief google translate chit chat, she prepared two cups of mouthwash and gave me one. We gargled and then she took me to the shower and washed me front and back, lingering as needed on the essentials. These women know how to take care of their men. The GFE that followed was top shelf, inexperience mixed with innocence that made the experience feel very genuine and sensual, my style exactly. The lady also thoroughly enjoys what she does and delivered one of the best experiences I have had to date, and the best on this trip. She is the only one I repeated with despite so many options I wanted to sample. The house got it right this time, and their subsequent recommendations were spot on!

My other experiences were variations of above. Only one lady seemed to do it as a job and I would never repeat with. The rest brought their 'A' game and delivered at a high level, like they really enjoyed what they do. Most of the ladies were also surprisingly true to age and appearance, especially Tokyo Amateur. Hentai ladies tended to be older than their posted photos / ages, but not by abnormal margins. I used them mostly in Osaka.

My average per session damage at Tokyo amateur was 28 K including room cost (about USD 180 at going exchange rate), and it was my favorite agency for various reasons. No attempt at upsell (Hentai especially liked annoying upsell), one simple price for all ladies, most accurate age / pic match, and best performance-price ratio (excellent based on the service I got). You can also book with them via whatsapp, where they send you pics of ladies available at your preferred time slot, and even make recommendations based on your prior choices or preference.

About Japanese women: Almost the opposite of what I was led to believe from reading numerous posts / blogs. I personally found them to be the most open-minded providers I have encountered anywhere in the world both in and out of the bedroom, by quite some margin. Brazilian women come a distant second in this regard. In terms of performance, the high level of A game they bring to the hobby is comparable only to the Brazilian women. While Brazilian women beat them in passion and PSE, they win hands down in overall GFE and sensuality.

About 6 out of 10 women I sessioned with insisted on walking me to either the main street or all the way to the subway (5 to 10 min walk) after the session, hand in hand. Talk about GFE! This was the case in both Tokyo and Osaka (yes, I sessioned there too), so it was apparently not a unique phenomenon. And I am as far removed from Japanese-looking as can be.

Useful tip: Do not pay for any upsell hoping to get better service. Let things flow organically in the room with the lady. Most of them won't disappoint you if you do your homework.

I wish Japan wasn't so damn expensive to travel to and board in. This would have been my favorite mongering destination in addition to Brazil.

Happy mongering my friends!

Kib123.

Where did you sessioned in Osaka?

Thanks.

[MikeMark]

Coming to Tokyo for first time mid August for 5 days on my way to Thailand. Been reading the reports for the better part of 6 weeks. Experienced hobbyist. Thanks to everyone for a very constructive non argumentative thread.

Is the Shinjuku neighborhood a good area to choose a hotel that is girl friendly? Near all that one can see from a mongering sightseeing standpoint? Any recommendations on a good 4 or 5 star hotel that allows guests. Maybe with a good breakfast?

Thanks in advance. Looking forward to Tokyo!!

[David032]

I haven't been there due to my first trip soon. But from my research so far, I'm guessing with upsell he means that Hentai (and some other places) have all those 'options' and in order to get the service you want you need to take these options. Call it options, call it upsell. Same same but diffrent?

But on that point of upsell. Since I'm a newbie for Japan!. On the subject of FS. Is this always an upsell / option, or is that depending the place. Let's put it this way, I've read somewhere that at THC for example, this is considered an option and its not always an option even. I get that they can't promote it, but so far I thought certain service are simply not promoted but are included.

I read one specific example where a similar place charged 35 k for 90 m session and then 30 k for that option. If you then add some other options, you quickly reach 70-75 k total for a session. Was just curious if that's how it works everywhere or if that's how it work at the places who do the option method. Or maybe this story I read was just someone who overpaid a lot LOL.

Side question. Street walking? Stay away? Or if they get your attention and have a nice chat see what they have to say and go from there? I realize most won't attract a farang.

So since you haven't been I'll explain and it should make more sense. First to start off with full service is illegal in Japan. Blowjobs, anal sex and naked massages are not. That's why most of us warn any place that outright advertises full service is not to be trusted. There are few that hint at it but don't outright say it. It's also why we say to look for girls who offer. Anal fuck because most will just switch to normal sex. Most girls will offer FS as a secret option in the room. But you can actually get in trouble for asking for it. That's why some shady places offer it knowing they will get the guys who want it.

That being said there is a FS option there called soaplands. Your almost guaranteed to get full service there. I say almost because truthfully if the girls decides not give you FS you can't really complain cause FS is illegal anyway. Somehow soaplands get around that not sure how but they do.

That being said in Japan the basic service for escorts, is shower, kissing, massage, blowjob or hand job. All of those are part of the service. From there all shops offer options they are not upsell they are in a sense enchantments. Swallowing, cum in mouth, deep throating cosplay, video session,. The reason I called his review into question is because the shop he reviewed litterly has the same options available. Also having used hentai the closes thing they do to upscale is the time. They will be quick to point out that 90 minutes and above is unlimited shots. Which they prefer to do that before hand than trying to negotiate extensions in the room.

Street walkers in Japan this has been talked about multiple times. Besides the thrill. Honestly why take the chance street walkers are usually girls who couldn't make it in the official sex clubs. That or they are underage they aren't that significant cheaper. The average cost about 10000 to ,20000 yen most soaplands / delivery health are in a similar range anyway. In the Us some of them have some super head game. Over here they are are horrible they will do the bare minimum to get it done. Remember I said they rejects from official sex work.

[SlickLicker]

If you claim hentai does do upsell please explain how they try to do upscale.

I haven't been there due to my first trip soon. But from my research so far, I'm guessing with upsell he means that Hentai (and some other places) have all those 'options' and in order to get the service you want you need to take these options. Call it options, call it upsell. Same same but diffrent?

But on that point of upsell. Since I'm a newbie for Japan!. On the subject of FS. Is this always an upsell / option, or is that depending the place. Let's put it this way, I've read somewhere that at THC for example, this is considered an option and its not always an option even. I get that they can't promote it, but so far I thought certain service are simply not promoted but are included.

I read one specific example where a similar place charged 35 k for 90 m session and then 30 k for that option. If you then add some other options, you quickly reach 70-75 k total for a session. Was just curious if that's how it works everywhere or if that's how it work at the places who do the option method. Or maybe this story I read was just someone who overpaid a lot LOL.

Side question. Street walking? Stay away? Or if they get your attention and have a nice chat see what they have to say and go from there? I realize most won't attract a farang.

[Kib123]

No doubt, any experienced users can tell a shill review over a real one. No one would write a 1-page essay on a shop like "Tokyo Amateur Escort". Place is like the dollar store version of THC with similar prices.

I've used the service twice in the past and both times finding the girls photos to be heavily photoshopped. They go by Garden Gal for the Japanese https://www.garden-gal.com/ and upsell to foreigners as Tokyo Amateur Escort.

The kind of nonsense that discourages people from posting honest reviews. Your bad experiences don't exclude others from good experiences. Post your actual experience in a productive way instead of lame attempt to water down someone else's observations.

Granted you are still green here, but that is no excuse for such a post.

[Kib123]

So I am curious what annoying upsell hentai offers. Litterly the same list of allowed play is exactly the same for both hentai and amateur. I use hentai all the time. They have options but most Japanese places have them. Hell even amauter has options Also the options aren't upsell by henti all the options go directly to the girl. So that's truthfully why girls have more options than others to make more money Second of all you paid extras on top anyway with an admission fee and selection fee. I have never been charged this at hentai or gfesoapland. Plus add in the fact you have a whole host of other places mentioned on this forum. Sometimes I wonder if you guys get paid to do reviews on garbage places. If you claim hentai does do upsell please explain how they try to do upscale. Cause the only thing they have ever asked me for was options, LOL and none of these girls will give you an option for free. I mean maybe but that would take a whole lot of game and you would have to good looking as hell.

My friends, written upgrade option charges by agencies is not unique to Japan. I can't think of any country where agencies don't list such extras. My experience is that many (perhaps most) providers themselves are not fully aware or don't remember what options are listed for them and what counts as 'extra' and for how much. With above in mind, your mongering experience anywhere will be far superior. If a provider wants extra for something, they will let you know, they are in the business of making money from you and are never shy about it.

I specified Hentai because the agency is the one that was almost always active with the upsell during booking, not the ladies once in the room. Their ladies though perform well, but I found them more valuable in Osaka, because in Tokyo I got better value from Amateur. I sessioned with 12 ladies, which I believe is a good enough sample size to make my observations.

Also, no need to discount other mongers' experiences based on your less than stellar ones.

[Pegasus887]

Most APA hotels in the Shibuya / Shinjuku are within the sex shops at walking distance. I don't know what the shop policy is in regarding doing incall / outcall to your hotel when booking the service at the shop directly? Either way you can visit the office and check the photos without blurring, handy if you are picky hobbyist.

If anyone has any good recommendations please post them up, did my rounds a few months ago at GFE soapland, thc and Jan Jan.

Will be trying out Milky Baby in Ikebukuro for some lactating working girl action.