Tokyo

[Runon99]

As a foreigner with no Japanese, you will not have access the full roster at Soaplands. Many of the Soaplands I visited only offered 1, maybe 2 girls to foreigners who can't speak Japanese. In my limited experience, if a soap only offers you one girl, you should probably walk. The pictures are never accurate and you won't really know what you're getting until you see the girl in person. Dolce in Yoshiwara was one of the few spots that actually gave me a roster of 5-8 girls to choose from.

First, I've read a lot of your reviews of J-girls in NY on the AmpR board, so it's good to see you posting from Japan itself. Thanks for your reports. To your comments about Soaplands, no doubt your advice is good and your experiences typical in many cases, but not, as you note yourself, universally so. I went to a couple Soapland places on consecutive nights in Fukuoka. The experience on the first night was pretty bad; I went to a random place I picked because a dude outside waved me in, the pictures he showed me were blatantly fake, the girl wasn't friendly, blah. But the second night I went to the place I had been specifically looking for in the first place. I selected the hottest looking girl from the several pictures shown, the pics were accurate, young 20's girl with a slender body, passionate GFE service, a great time. So you never know.

Are you going to Osaka on this trip? If not, you can stop reading, but if so, I hope you are planning to check out one of the Shinchi's, which are "restaurant associations" that exploit a loophole to offer FS just as the Soaplands do. With the Soaps, the loophole is that they are providing a bathing service and the sex that follows is incidental. At the Shinchi's, the loophole is that the girl you go up to the room with is a waitress who provides a little cup of tea and perhaps a tiny packet of peanuts, and during that service she develops feelings that lead to FS.

The most famous Shinchi is Tobita. It's the biggest and there are gorgeous girls there, some of whom will accept foreigners. They sit in open-air rooms so you can see the actual girls before selecting. The mms will wave to you if you are acceptable; they will just ignore you if not. Tobita Shinchi is probably your best bet to get FS from a beautiful Japanese girl, possibly much prettier than the typical J-girl who makes it to Manhattan. The service, however will probably be much worse. My one time at Tobita, the girl was really hot, but no GFE of any kind, just CFS with zero affection. The walking around the several streets of Tobita and window shopping was almost as much fun as the deed itself. Tobita is recommended for the overall experience at least once IF you can stomach non-GFE CFS (but maybe with a very hot girl). Oh, and there was no shower at the place I went, I think that's the norm at Tobita.

I think there are five Schinchi's in all, but aside from Tobita I have only been to the second-biggest, the Matsushima Shinchi. My first time there I got really lucky. The girl I picked (and was allowed to pick) was young and pretty. Matsushima places do have showers, so I was clean for the service. This girl was very GFE; passionate DFK 69 with BBBJ / DATY, then CFS. I wish I had grabbed a card or somehow noted which place it was, because I couldn't remember when I went back the following year. Second visit was more like a Tobita experience, except cheaper and with a shower. The girl I picked was young and hot but the service was non-GFE. Still, an orgasm with a hot Japanese girl was achieved, so it wasn't so bad.

I've had a number of other experiences in Osaka, too many to detail now, especially given that this is the Tokyo board. But I will say that no Delivery Health girl in Osaka ever said no to FS with me in the love hotel room; it was CFS with the younger girls (who were comparable with the J-girls I've seen in NY) and BBFSCIP with the older ones.

If you spend any time in Kyoto, I went to a pink salon there that let me in. I'm a white guy with zero Japanese language skills, BTW. I might have typed up a message using Google translate that I had been to other pink salons and understood the rules, I can't completely remember, but I was admitted. The girl looked like a 18-22 year old, her schoolgirl outfit might helped shave some years off of her real age. BBBJCIM. This is the place: https://www.n-cats.com/top I don't think anyone goes to Kyoto specifically for hobbying, but there are options if you're there for cultural reasons.

If you have any questions, feel free to respond here or message me on AmpR, same screen name.

[Traveler X]

(3) Bait and switch BS: Another big advantage to the USA Is you can actually see the girl before you commit and turn over the money. I've lost count of how many times I walked on a girl in NY because I didn't like what I saw in person. In Japan, you can't do this, and they don't offer lineups.

Thanks for chiming in, very illuminating. I have the same experiences with the service gap.

I want to add one hidden advantage unrelated to the girls or shops. In the US the NYC/LA boards are quite active on comparing notes on girls and there are reviewers who are spot on in their reviews. That's part of what is weeding out the mid girls, they don't usually bother coming in the first place. So I know a girl's height boob size, cute or not, service level before I walk in, and it quite often matches to a T. I literally just saw a jgirl they recommended and she was amazing, exactly as described. Just reviewed her myself.

In Japan I've done the research and the shop itself will offer a message board but since the shop moderates it it is full of simp messages thanking the girl and telling her she's wonderful. You don't have a community or objective reviewing of the girl and her looks, people know that would be too rude for the shop board. There are independent boards but they are weak and just not the same, though I have used them and they are better than nothing.

Of course it bears repeating that if you are already in the US, you probably speak English. You probably don't speak Japanese. So coming to Japan is fun and a novelty but there is a hard barrier for some services and shops (but not others). We are here to help with that. I'll say again Japan is really fun with unique shops that are poorly imitated elsewhere, just know what you are looking for. I notice some guys just want anywhere from a maid cafe to a mid-level naughtiness like fetish club or oppai pub. Do your thing.

1. How was your experience with the girls and app translators?

Sometimes there is something detailed or complicated I want to say right so I or her will use the translator. You don't want to interrupt action so I usually do it before the action or during break, especially if it involves a specific request. When I went to soap the girl often asked me what kind of experience I'm looking for. I said straight up I want to be like in those JAV with soap mattress, bathtub sucking, then worship me in bed like a king. And she did just that. Tongue play, balls licking, deepthroat attempts without me asking, lots of tongue play by body language alone, no Japanese needed for that. Does help to explain 69 and doggy but in a pinch you can do that with hand signals too. She asked me if I wanted to exchange LINE afterwards. I usually refuse unless I'm set on seeing a girl again, so I politely say she was great but I'll be out of town soon anyways. The girls share their bodies with us, treat them right.

[CCRider1008]

So I see a lot of debate here about US J-girls vs. Japan. I have been in Tokyo for around a week now and also did 4 days in Sapporo.

(2) Service: If you're a foreigner with no Japanese, service is better in the USA IMO. The girls are much friendlier and often have some English.

(3) Bait and switch BS: Another big advantage to the USA Is you can actually see the girl before you commit and turn over the money. Also had a good time at dolce in Yoshiwara for around the same money, but no BBFS there and both these girls wouldn't really kiss. The other soapie visits were just okay, and 1 or 2 were terrible.

One store in Yokohama (nice lady iirc) really screwed me and gave me a gross fat chick for about 25 k.

(4) Big wins in Kabuki: Honestly I've probably had the most fun here with the tachinbo in Kabukicho. Rates vary between 10 k-40 k and you actually get to see the girl first, negotiate and feel her out before the money is exchanged..

I've never seen so many differing opinions on a mongering location in Asia than in Japan. SE Asia has had relative consensus. Thailand is great; Bali pretty good; Vietnam not so good; Cambodia okay depending on where. I've never been to Korea so can't opine. Japan it's all over the board. As a potential first time visitor it's starting to feel like more of a tourist sightseeing trip than a punter trip. Which is fine -- just trying to set my expectations correctly.

Couple clarifying questions for you.

1. How was your experience with the girls and app translators?

2. Do you remember the names of the 1-2 terrible soapies in Tokyo?

3. Street hookers. Are they easy to spot in Japan as in other places, or does it take more work to ID them? I understood this was not a very big part of the P4P scene in Tokyo. How does one spot whether they have a middle man or not. Like you I would not have a lot of tolerance for that BS.

4. What hotel did you stay at in Shinjuko? Any problems with front desk or hotel with brining the girls to your room?

5. Did you partake in escort web services (delivery health)? How was that experience?

[JPLove]

So I see a lot of debate here about US J-girls vs. Japan. I have been in Tokyo for around a week now and also did 4 days in Sapporo. I'm pretty active in NYC for the last 2 years and am I frequent poster on the local review boards. I only started doing this shit post-covid and after Japanese hoes had started to dominate the NYC sex market. As a white guy with very limited Japanese, my takeaway from this trip so far has been that NYC is absolutely better than Japan for FS with hot young Japanese chicks. I will try and bullet point this:

(1) Quality: I'm realizing now that we get some really hot girls in NYC. The Japanese agents send us good shit. They are not wasting overseas flights and rooms on ugly girls. Plus they make a commission off these girls. If the agents send hot young girls who get lots of bookings, well then everybody makes more money for it. We even get some hot young girls and JAV stars who only work overseas. I've met a number of J-girls like this now. It's a combination of the money overseas being so much better and the fact that some girls would rather not service Japanese customers. I fucked hot AV girls in NY like Rin Asahi, Ayase Kokoro and Yume Ayakawa plus many other hot young ones who are overseas only girls. A lot of high quality J-pussies apparently don't work in Japan...

So I think most guys reading this forum are already aware of this, but I'll mention it anyways, and meant to include it in my original post. As a foreigner with no Japanese, you will not have access the full roster at Soaplands. Many of the Soaplands I visited only offered 1, maybe 2 girls to foreigners who can't speak Japanese. In my limited experience, if a soap only offers you one girl, you should probably walk. The pictures are never accurate and you won't really know what you're getting until you see the girl in person. Dolce in Yoshiwara was one of the few spots that actually gave me a roster of 5-8 girls to choose from. The Soapland in Sapporo that I visited wouldn't let me choose the girl as a foreigner, but management asked what my preferences were and did a pretty damn good job of accommodating. In my case, they gave me a mid 20's slim girl with cute face and good tits and ass, so I was quite happy. Most of the other soaps did not give me hot young girls to choose from though. Obviously there are no barriers like this in NYC. You can book whichever J-girls you want, as long as they're working / available of course.

[MassageLover81]

I've dated one girl and on hour 4th tour she stuck with the better shop -

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What was is like dating one of these girls?

Was the sex even better than the regular "service"?

Are they trying to find a rich guy to marry or support them?

[JPLove]

So I see a lot of debate here about US J-girls vs. Japan. I have been in Tokyo for around a week now and also did 4 days in Sapporo. I'm pretty active in NYC for the last 2 years and am I frequent poster on the local review boards. I only started doing this shit post-covid and after Japanese hoes had started to dominate the NYC sex market. As a white guy with very limited Japanese, my takeaway from this trip so far has been that NYC is absolutely better than Japan for FS with hot young Japanese chicks. I will try and bullet point this:

(1) Quality: I'm realizing now that we get some really hot girls in NYC. The Japanese agents send us good shit. They are not wasting overseas flights and rooms on ugly girls. Plus they make a commission off these girls. If the agents send hot young girls who get lots of bookings, well then everybody makes more money for it. We even get some hot young girls and JAV stars who only work overseas. I've met a number of J-girls like this now. It's a combination of the money overseas being so much better and the fact that some girls would rather not service Japanese customers. I fucked hot AV girls in NY like Rin Asahi, Ayase Kokoro and Yume Ayakawa plus many other hot young ones who are overseas only girls. A lot of high quality J-pussies apparently don't work in Japan.

(2) Service: If you're a foreigner with no Japanese, service is better in the USA IMO. The girls are much friendlier and often have some English. I think a lot of them really step up their game while they're on tour overseas. They want to get good feedback, good reviews and make a lot of money before they go home. If they're not good service, many US shops / agencies will give them the boot. Here in Japan I have gotten screwed with some providers who were older, not very attractive or just not friendly and not good service. Many girls here don't want to do kiss or 69 for example. These are basic services with J-girls in NYC and the stores require it. But in Japan it seems like the girls and the Soaplands don't give a shit. You're just some gaijin who will be gone in a week or two after all. So if you're not happy at the end of the session, well tough shit. They already got your money anyways. I see lots of guys here talking about soapland sessions where the girl would only jerk them off or just tried to run down the clock. That shit would never happen in NY and if it did, the girl would either step up her game real fast or she would be gone.

(3) Bait and switch BS: Another big advantage to the USA Is you can actually see the girl before you commit and turn over the money. I've lost count of how many times I walked on a girl in NY because I didn't like what I saw in person. In Japan, you can't do this, and they don't offer lineups. Whether it's delivery health or Soaplands, you pay up front prior to seeing the girl in person and there's a clearly stated no refund policy. As a result, they can bait and switch the hell out of you. I think I did about 6 soapland visits here. Happiness soapland in Sapporo was amazing and I got 60 minutes mat play plus creampie for 40 k all in. Also had a good time at dolce in Yoshiwara for around the same money, but no BBFS there and both these girls wouldn't really kiss. The other soapie visits were just okay, and 1 or 2 were terrible. One store in Yokohama (nice lady iirc) really screwed me and gave me a gross fat chick for about 25 k. Most of the soaps I've been to range in price from 20 k-40 k. I don't really see the sense in doing a high class soap for over 70 k, sorta feels like a tourist trap. That's NY money, and I'the rather spend it in NY where I have more control and won't get fucked over just for being a foreigner with no Japanese. Will try one of these high ends soaps (probably opera / versailles) before I leave but honestly, for the money spent (about $600) I expect to be disappointed. I also did delivery health in Sapporo with an agency called college girl kiss, but the girl was terrible. Total bait and switch. She was probably early 30's and overweight when I was expecting a hot college girl. I cancelled and got a partial 10 k refund of the 34 k I spent on her. Didn't even want to play with her when I saw her in person. It was that bad, and I had to fight like hell just to get that small partial refund from the agency.

(4) Big wins in Kabuki: Honestly I've probably had the most fun here with the tachinbo in Kabukicho. Rates vary between 10 k-40 k and you actually get to see the girl first, negotiate and feel her out before the money is exchanged. If you're a foreigner with no Japanese, you don't want there to be a middle man like a soapland, because the middle man will fuck you over. Better to be able to negotiate directly with the girl. Okubo park is the notorious hot spot for these chicks but you can find them all over Kabukicho working to feed their host club addictions. Some of the girls are real shit attitude and want a lot of money, but there are also gems. You need to negotiate everything up front before you take them back to the room, that way you know what you're getting. It does take some practice, and some luck. Met one girl here who was only 19, super shy / submissive and I creampied her for 30 k. Another girl I found here was half Filipina half Japanese and I fucked her twice with creampie plus she stayed overnight all for just 20 k. The good girls usually get picked up quick, but sometimes you can hit a home run here and a find a nice fresh young cutie for a good price. Service is a mixed bag, but then again, it is at the Soaplands too. At least here you have some control over what kind of quality and service you're getting.

Anyhow, that's my 2 cents so far on mongering in Japan. I've had way better experiences in NYC overall. Had a few very memorable girls in Kabukicho plus that soapland chick in Sapporo, but overall I've found NY had consistently hotter girls with better service. I tend to agree with other posters that Japan is nice for things you can't get in NY like oppai bars, mat play / nuru massage and weird fetish shit like harassment shops. However, if you're just interested in some hot Japanese GFE action, FS and maybe some extras like BBFS and video, NYC is king.

[Rick Rock]

Show me on their website or on any correspondence where they say they are full service.

Show me on any fast food restaurant website where they say they sell garbage food that makes you fat and unhealthy.

Yet that is exactly true.

And every soapland in Japan is full service even if there isn't a sign on the door that says "fuck pussy inside".

[Rick Rock]

Henti and GFE are banned from that forum because the management company has caused issues on the forum itself. They aggressively targeted other foreign friendly shops and independant escorts and created problems. So they aren't allowed to post anything. I call BS that you were banned due to just trying post a review. Cause I have also tried to review GFE and henti on there. All that happened is the review was denied and never posted never had an issue after that.

Why do you know so much? Are you a site owner? LOL. Whatever the case I can't post there any more, and I don't want to either.

[Traveler X]

I always have to disagree with you LOL. First there are no advertised full service Japanese stores. Only ones that cater to foreigners advertise that way which is illegal as hell. I get that it's your experience but truthfully I can't see it being better. I mongered for over 20 years in the US my first service at a soapland was better than the almost all of that. Second you are really not going to high end soaplands if your saying the service is better in the US. . There are girls here litterly go to classes on how to please guys and most of them are really good at it. Most of the Jgirls that go to the US most not all but the vast majority. Are the ones that don't earn much in Japan or are mostly being sex trafficked and forced to do it. They are generally the bottom level of girls in Japan. I know a few independent Jgirls who tried it and the all uniformly hated it said they did make more money but it wasn't worth. To dangerous and all had a friend who got arrested and reported because of it. I went back to the you.

I'm not really disagreeing with you. I've mongered in Japan and the US 20 years same as you. For the last 18, Japan was better. Same as you so far. I had to take a break due to Covid but got in right after restrictions were lifted, even bought my ticket when it was only partial (pre-test required). So, our experiences aren't contradictory. I had a great time at soapland, always said so. A lot did change after Covid. I am saying there is a consistently better experience from what I've done myself, but that's just my opinion.

And I agree that a lot of jgirls who went to the US "hated it but made more money". I don't want to write an essay on that but some have made 3 or 4 tours so it's not every girl. Certain shops are solid but most girls are not going to them. The more popular shops suck but girls go to them because they cram 10-12 appointments a day. I've dated one girl and on hour 4th tour she stuck with the better shop - lower rate and slightly less appointments but a good and easy day in comparison. Jgirls are sharing notes realtime and even the last few weeks there has been a big shift in where they are working.

I have almost unlimited funds so it is not the cost aspect for me. But almost everyone else is very cost conscious and that's the only reason I'm detailed on costs. I personally don't care, my time is what's limited. I visit Japan for just a few weeks for a spontaneous experience, I am just as happy with a 458 yen gyudon as a 20000 yen omakase course. I try both. It's about the variety and even if one of them is not up to standard (more likely the latter honestly), I am just trying to enjoy things freely. I visit different soaplands out of curiosity. I was even telling my friend at Yoshiwara let's just try so we can say we did (for "historical places in Japan experience") but the staff were so off-putting "Yeah our ladies are older than you expect so what" that my friend talked me out of it. To give you an idea of my approach. Enough talk about money.

But it's important you disagree because we are both trying to paint a realistic picture for others with different opinions. You know some guys are going to be disappointed when they have a bit too high of an expectation either of the girl or more likely the language barrier wall (and ensuing gaijin tax with many places and girls refusing). I've always said there's a lot of fun in Japan with many advantages, but there are some reality checks for the newer guys. We are both helping them in our own approach, maybe it's good cop bad cop but I have no complaints. Some guys are coming all the way from the US, and I think especially first-timers are each looking for something different, soapland is not necessarily the goto. The US market for jgirls is really different now than before, I have the proof but you know I am not going to post that. I don't mind you disagreeing with me, it's important for people to be skeptical either way.

[Runon99]

Show me on their website or on any correspondence where they say they are full service.

I've never noticed such a claim of full service on a soapland website, but I've also not noticed on such sites that "production" or "the actual act" -- euphemisms for vaginal intercourse -- are forbidden.

Such notices ARE included on the websites of delivery health / etc. Shops. For example, on that Robot Deliheru site it says:

"It is forbidden (by the law) to require or force the girls to act in real performance. ".

But on that Soapland Barubola Marin site, there is no mention of the full service euphemisms on the prohibited list. It's like the dog that didn't bark in the Sherlock Holmes story.

More than once the phrase "this is not a sex shop" was uttered to me in Japan in fashion health places, so it was slightly jarring when I heard "this is a sex shop" when I entered a soapland in Fukuoka.

So yes, soapland places (or restaurant association places in Osaka) will not explicitly advertise full service but, as the saying goes, if you know, you know.

[Pegasus887]

Henti and GFE are banned from that forum because the management company has caused issues on the forum itself. They aggressively targeted other foreign friendly shops and independant escorts and created problems. So they aren't allowed to post anything. I call BS that you were banned due to just trying post a review. Cause I have also tried to review GFE and henti on there. All that happened is the review was denied and never posted never had an issue after that.

As far as I know they have never participated on TAG. The moderators were alarmed at the amount of positive reviews being posted about the service by new users when they first started and came to the conclusion that they were all "fake" reviews. Why would they need to sabotage other businesses when they have a huge market share jeopardizing their future?

It seems ridiculous for an independent forum to be moderated in this manner without any outside business interests.

[David032]

IDK but it's definitely a strange place. They hold reviews for weeks or months before they publish. One of the moderators is an older white woman who is apparently an escort. And they banned me for trying to review an escort from Tokyo Hentai Club. If you search the site you will find no mention of THC even though it's clearly the most popular agency in the country for foreigners.

Henti and GFE are banned from that forum because the management company has caused issues on the forum itself. They aggressively targeted other foreign friendly shops and independant escorts and created problems. So they aren't allowed to post anything. I call BS that you were banned due to just trying post a review. Cause I have also tried to review GFE and henti on there. All that happened is the review was denied and never posted never had an issue after that.

[David032]

Does anyone notice the blanket censorship over "foreigner-friendly" services discussed on the forum besides Asian Mystique? Seems pretty sketchy with the heavy-handed moderation going on these days on the site compared to what it was like 10 years ago.

LOL asian mistque actually has low number of the reviews on the site your better off asking if a certain girl form yshirt is part of the ownership. The forgien friendly ones mostly mentioned here aren't mentioned there because the places have management issues. Where the managent is aggressive at targeting other foreigner friendly shop to shut them down or bad mouth thems. Hentai and GFE are both owned by the same group. In fact that group owns most of the licenced foreigner friendly places.

[David032]

You get full service at any soapland. There are at least 10 in Tokyo where you can walk right in as a foreigner and get full service.

Show me on their website or on any correspondence where they say they are full service.

[Tennessee78]

Has anybody had luck with matching / deai sites for enjo kosai in Tokyo? I speak / read Japanese, but no idea which ones are foreigner-friendly or popular.

Thanks!