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01-31-25 10:43 #14084I found some time to write my final guide about negotiating FS (full sex) at DH (delivery health). Maybe it's a scroll of wisdom, where just by reading it you are able to do stuff. But unlike in the movies, this scroll is free for anyone to have and read.
Originally Posted by Rick Rock
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Recently, I interviewed a veteran Delivery Health girl after negotiating FS from her. Let's call her Momo. What Momo told me lines up 100% with what I knew but she helped me write down some important Japanese phrases.
So Momo says if she worked at soapland, she has to bang. But when she works DH, she can choose who she bangs. Maybe she thinks a guy is dirty, or just not in the mood, she can just say no to fs or quote a high price. Exactly like strippers at COI who offer it but not to every guy.
DH Negotiation for FS
I asked Momo about negotiation tactics, after having already negotiated with Momo and finished our session. I asked what if I suggest 10K tip ($65) to a girl. She says if the girl will take it then she takes it. Or if she wants more, she might raise it to 20K. Then the guy might take it or leave it, or one person suggests 15K. Note that with DH, the girl is already being paid for time and this is extra money on to. It's not hard for her to accept if she's willing to do it. But obviously if the guy gives off rich guy vibes she can GPS him. This is why my recommendation is to wait until you are hard and had enough of the foreplay / bj, then be the first to say a number. Start at 10K and don't seem too eager. Even if she replied with a ridiculous 40K, simply say 15K instead. You can even show her 15K saying it's all you have left. I have a ton of experience doing exactly this at high mileage strip clubs, it's no different. And of course, I had just done it with Momo.
It isn't hard in my experience and usually takes seconds because I time it right. I really would not go over 15K or 20K personally, but I have heard guys being asked GPS rates of 40K and up because the girl knew he had money and really desperately wanted to bang. If you MUST bang, soapland is an option btw. Anyways these things play out exactly the same as a high mileage strip club in the US and I can say from experience you have to start low and be willing to walk against GPS. An upside to getting 10K or 15K is if you really liked the girl, you can get her LINE and do it again OTC without the middle man. There are pros and cons to that, the shop guarantees the girl won't flake but if you genuinely get along with the girl you can see her on her "day off".
Do not fall in love! You might as well follow a Nigerian tout instead at that point!
Advanced Tactics
I mentioned to Momo one tactic where the guy can open his wallet and show "15K is all he has left", in which case the girl almost always accepts. Bribs did exactly that too. It's classic and unbeatable, the veteran guys literally won't bring any more than their final offer so that they don't slip up or cave in. I hope everyone understands what I'm really saying: the girls are trying to maximize their take but they will literally take the bare minimum if they believed that's all you had. Or the maximum if they believe you were "must have it" and willing. Exactly how strippers think at a high mileage US strip club. I've dealt with them for years at COI strip clubs in LA.
Momo joked in the case the guy shows his wallet, the girl will claim zaisan (zaisan = property) the connotation being "all the money in your wallet is my property now". A guy here is pleading the Japanese idiom "nai mono wa nai" (literally "nothing is nothing" meaning "I have nothing more"). It is a valid tactic, but a last resort I don't often use.
DH Love Hotel and rejecting a girl
The traditional way for DH is to check into a love hotel first then call up the DH you want to send a girl. They may call your room to confirm you are for real and for the safety of the girl. Normally love hotels are for couples, but you tell the front desk "a girl will come later" (ato de onna no ko ga kimasu). The love hotel staff deal with this all the time, day and night, so totally normal for them. This is how local Japanese typically do DH, though a few normal hotels can do it too. Obviously since foreigners / tourists aren't used to this system, the "foreigner friendly" and especially "foreigner only" shops may have some variation where the girl might escort you to a love hotel instead. They may also require payment upfront, which is not the default for DH.
Straight from Momo's mouth, she says guys will sometimes refuse a girl if they don't like her looks. Sending her away, typically asking the shop to send a different girl. Keep in mind we're talking about Japanese locals doing this, it does happen and I see it even in dramas as a trope. It's possible the shop gets upset and blocks you for repeatedly doing this, but many shops are fine as long as you "order another girl" and pay the nominal "transportation fee" you sometimes see listed. It's small, typically 1K ($6). The problem of course is if you only reserved your love hotel for 120 minutes and expect a girl to work 70, you can run into your own time limit. But you can always extend and pay the difference. Again, "foreigner only" places may have special rules about this.
What Momo has said and also what I've seen in jdramas is the guy will be polite and say that the girl "is not his type" rather than being rude and saying he doesn't like her or whatever. She explained a polite guy would say "Chotto taipu..de wa nai.." = "You're kind of not my type" followed by "Ano changu dekimasu ka?" = Um..can I change girls?. An alternative follow-up is "Ore kotsuu haraimasu" = "I'll pay transportation fees", referring to the small fee you often see tacked on as "transprot/taxi fee". Sometimes 1k or more depending on distance. I suppose if you speak no Japanese and she speaks no English, simply tell her by translator "Sorry, I want to change girls". Maybe offering her the listed fee directly.
With some "foreigner only" shops, they often take payment ahead of time so you can't easily refuse the girl. But you can still ask nicely if it's possible and pay the fee. A legit shop is more likely to allow this.
One shop I know of actually has a male staff escort the girl for her safety and collects payment before presenting he girl. I think Gingira does this. The good things is they have legit young and attractive girls so it's less of a risk. Whereas some of the lower tier DHs have the attitude of "We know some of our girls suck, so go ahead and send those back and choose another". Dh shops sometimes have high turnover, so they hire a bunch of girls and have no idea which ones are good. It's trial and error.
Lastly, about bbfs, I won't say it's common but between you and the girl. I've gotten it as well as been refused.
Next, I'll copy some links from my guide. All the guides are listed at:
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2966012 Japan Guides
Delivery Health
https://gingira.jp/gal.html Gingira girls, look for O next to International Customer
https://gingira.jp/lang/en/index.html Gingira System
https://yoasobi-heaven.com/en/tokyo/A1304/gingira/ Gingira English ad plus girls' media
https://gingira.jp/lang/en/index.html Gingira, girls generally young and photo accurate
https://amateurtokyo.com/ Tokyo Amateur Escorts
https://hentaitokyo.com/ Tokyo Hentai Club
https://escort-taitanic.com/ Taitanic Yokohama
https://camikaze.cc/escort/foreigner-friendly-escorts/ Example of how to DH
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...42#post2956442 Ichika Nagano did DH
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...34#post2963634 More photos of gingira girls
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...79#post2962479 Gingira and Tora no Ana
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...31#post2959631 Rick Rock visits Taitanic Yokohama
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...56#post2953656 Rick Rock tries Casanova in Yoshiwara
Momo compared DH to Domino Pizza, very convenient. Above I listed many shops and random reviews. My hope is by trial and error people will figure out which shops work best for foreigners. There is a cycle where shops learn how to serve foreign customers and get good at it, then open up more to them.
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01-31-25 02:43 #14083Yeah, it is one of the options. You can just ask upfront if the girl does AF. So far I got it from everyone I asked. Originally Posted by LR123
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Some girls might offer AF / FS in the room too.
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01-30-25 22:01 #14082
I noticed THC posts girls that offer A-level (I'm assuming code for vaginal) Didn't see anything on TAEs site. Was it available when booking?
Found it: AF. under options. now just have to find the right rirl on the website!
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01-30-25 16:25 #14081
Sayuri at Ran Thai massage
After reading several positive reports, I rocked up at Ran massage joint near Kanda station at 10:15 pm after a long day of stresses and strains. I was looking forward to a good service and a happy ending.
I selected the recommended set course, the 90 minute option for 11 k. Only Sayuri was available. She looked nothing like her pics, but she was the classic MILFy massage lady with lots of curves. She was also sluttily dressed with just a t-shirt over panties.
The place is far from luxurious, with thin partitions between each massage station, and a curtain to enter. The mattress was on the floor. Basic, but fit for purpose.
After the obligatory shower (solo), she started the "Thai massage", which basically prodding through the towel. No pulling or stretching. Not ideal but not too bad either. I was able to cop a feel of her meaty thighs, which was an unexpected pleasure.
She switched to the oil massage, which comprised repeated strokes of my calves, hamstrings and glutes. Again not great but not terrible either, below average. No work on my back or front. No erotic touches.
She then declared loudly "hann-job hann-job"! I turned around and she started her work. One good point is that she pulled up her top to reveal a fulsome rack. I was allowed to fondle that and her meaty thighs and buttocks.
She wanted 4 K to touch the pussy. I couldn't be arsed to get up fetch my wallet so I demurred (probably a mistake). I politely requested a price for cunnilingus but refused.
The HJ was in truth a bit disappointing. Again, it wasn't terrible, it just wasn't up to the high standard I had read about. It was a routine bashing of the bishop with an unfortunate bashing of the balls on the downstroke.
In fairness, the technique combined with the fondling would get most guys off. I could not finish and that was partly my fault.
After a quick shower, I emerged into the Kanda red light area, wondering if I should try again at another Thai joint, paying 8 k for the 1 hour option.
I wandered around the area. There were a surprising number of salarymen in varying degrees of inebriation. One guy vomited noisily, then when back to drinking from his can 🙈. Another was arguing loudly with a mama-san outside a joint. The body language was weird: he was squatting Asian-style while she stood over him in hectoring mode.
I bumped into a Chinese tout who had propositioned me on another day. The ideal would be a Time Machine to retrieve her 2005 version, but the 2025 version was still attractive.
I tried to negotiate services through her translation app, which translated back to English. Unfortunately everything I wrote came back as gibberish. All we could manage was to agree on 5 k for a handjob.
I knew it would be a sub-optimal experience, with probable upsell, but I went with it anyway.
She took me to a nearby building with crude curtain partitions. A drunken Japanese guy was engaging noisily with a lady further down.
I handed over the 5 k and stripped off. Lily removed her coat revealing a tight bod, but fully covered by tight-fitting pants and top. I asked her to remove and was told that would cost 5 k. Sigh.
I thought fuck it and grudgingly coughed up the 5 k. Her body was very good: slim with perky tits. She kept her panties on. Her HJ technique was average but was enough to get me off after only 5 minutes or so.
Given that she had offered FS for 10 k on another night, it was poor price / performance, but I was still pleased to bust a nut and not go home with blue balls. If I could find a way to communicate properly, and negotiate a proper session, I would take her again for FS.
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01-30-25 14:23 #14080
JanJan: Rip-off or not?
Agree on Bangkok. Originally Posted by RickRock
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Some may agree with your rip-off assessment and some may not. Here are the criteria for members to make their own judgement.
Pros:
- significantly cheaper than others options (4 K).
- BJ is bareback with full CIM.
- skillful technique.
- easy for foreigners to use.
- efficient use of time.
Cons:
- provider is usually older and not attractive.
- some ladies allow no touching.
- no choice of lady.
- no foreplay, instant BJ after the wipe down.
- limited privacy.
- seedy ambiance.
Some may evaluate the last 3 cons as pros.
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01-30-25 14:13 #14079
Sexy cat
14 k for 50 minutes, plus 1 k for selection. Originally Posted by CCRider1008
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For my second session I paid 20 k for 75 minutes, as I found the 50 minutes a bit of a rush to finish.
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01-30-25 14:10 #14078
Sexy Cat part 2
I showed up at Sexy Cat at 8 pm on Monday, hoping for a quiet evening with lots of choice. Fat. Chance! Positively reviewed providers (Shiho and Asuka) were on duty but not available. Only "mature" ladies were available. In the end I chose Airi, a slim 48 yo who allegedly spoke some English. I shelled out 20 k for 75 minutes, plus 1 k for the privilege of selection. (The 50 minute option is 14 k).
In the waiting room I was surprised to see a disheveled young English guy instead of older well-dressed Japanese gentlemen like last time. The guy looked unkempt but his eyes suggested a keen intelligence, likely far superior to my own, as he had escaped my wrinkly fate and secured the services of Achibo from the young cast.
Airi showed up in the standard "OL" uniform. Her legs were slim and shapely but the face was definitely showing some city miles and wishing it was the 1990's. She was still much younger than me though.
I was actually reminded of a Japanese Mrs Robinson, with her slim figure, poise and naughty look in her eye. Her English was minimal and highly accented. We used Google translate. She was very friendly and service-oriented.
Off came the clothes. The bottom part was pretty good, with an enormous Bush. I haven't seen one that overgrown since the 1970's. The upper part was flat with clothes-peg nipples.
I sat on the special stool and she soaped me up, including the classic crack reach-under. She joined me in the tub for a little bit, which was an achievement given the small size of that receptacle.
On to the bed and the standard service applied. Summary:
- Kissing with minimal lip contact (she didn't like my stubble).
- Cat lick.
- Tongue-based BJ, I loved the technique but unfortunately it was delivered only in short bursts before reverting to HJ.
- 69, her labia are dark and external, shaven thank god (the Bush was above).
- No rimming or anal play.
- Very skilful HJ, with light pressure for extended pleasure and edging.
- Sumata executed very skillfully with a hand to assist. This was the "classic" sumata between the thighs, not pussy frottage aka "cameltoe slide", nor the "penis tapping" technique that Mifuyu had used in a previous session. The sumata was delivered in cowboy position with plenty of gel. There was actually more sensation than BBFS.
Despite her GILF looks, it was a pleasurable session that she kept going for over an hour. Her digital dexterity finished me off with 10 minutes of the 75 left on the clock. To paraphrase Kipling: she filled the unforgiving hour with 60 minutes worth of distance run.
In summary, Airi is suitable only for MILF (GILF) lovers, or aficionados of HJ / sumata. Even then, Japan old hands will likely have better options. For newbies seeking a novel experience, it is a reasonable option.
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01-30-25 07:07 #14077
Would say try esim with local carrier
For Japan. I would recommend KDDI or SoftBank esim. Originally Posted by CCRider1008
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I also have free roaming for 12 days but will use it in Dubai cause I will stay in Japan more than 12 days.
Esim. Vacay. Asia / th / en / e-sim / asia / Japan this is a website that I plan to use in Japan. Got it from a travel vlogger and seem the price is right for my pocket.
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01-29-25 21:17 #14076Thanks to all who answered. Intl plan is free for me given my plan (get like 20 free days year) so I'll roll with that. I went to Brazil in Sept and purchased an esim due to the same internet blogs saying USA companies have terrible network services in Brazil. Worked fine and never used the esim. Originally Posted by TravelerX
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01-29-25 12:36 #14075If you can make sure you are properly signed up for international calling and know the rate, it works great. My carrier does flat rate daily of $12/day, capped at 10 days ($120). It's unlimited and worked amazing. Since it's capped at 10 days per month, it's $120 even if you use it 30 days. Note that without the international plan, it's much more expensive. Originally Posted by CCRider1008
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I have tried the pocket wifis and while they work and are cheaper, are inconvenient. Added weight and space, they run out of charge (often 12-16 hours), have to be constantly recharged. But they are easy to get and return at the airport and cheaper. There is always an information booth at the major airports staffed with English speakers if you're not sure where to find it. If you can make a reservation ahead of time, you just show up and pick up your package.
There is also esim but your phone needs to be unlocked. It's so funny that my previous phone was unlocked, but my newer phone is locked and they won't unlock it until I've used it X months. But if you can get it, esims work great and any modern phone will support it. The latest iphones all use esim by default with most carriers, it's seamless.
For maximum convenience, I use the international plan with my phone through my carrier. For minimal cost, consider the other two options. Lastly, it is possible to travel Japan without any of this. Almost all of my trips to Japan were done this way. Note that you can get wifi at your hotel and at various spots for free, but in-between locations you won't have it. So what you can do is "pre-download" maps, either explicitly or by cache. Your iphone will save recent map areas you were in. Of course, you won't have GPS to know where on the map you are. But by and large, it's perfectly fine to travel Japan without phone service you just need to research a bit more or be willing to ask for help as needed.
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01-28-25 06:03 #14074
ESIM options.
If your cell phone accepts virtual Sim cards, you can try any of these websites: Originally Posted by CCRider1008
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https://holafly.com
https://airalo.com
Take a look.
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01-28-25 05:38 #14073Try esim but you need unlocked smart phone. Can purchase at Klook dot com but don't purchase before 180 days of your arrival. Originally Posted by CCRider1008
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01-28-25 02:46 #14072For those curious, it's described at the bottom half of this post: Originally Posted by Glenn Swagmire
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http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2968569 Japan law + Fetish shop
This was a while ago and the place is rebranded now (part of the 'Honey' group of fetish clubs) with new options. For example you can get the "already naked and chained up" course where you walk in on her "ready" for you. The problem is it's not for beginners - I could get in with 2 years of Japanese but their site is on cityheaven.net which requires a Japan IP (or VPN). Implying you need to speak some Japanese and ask for an exception, which I did. I can't recommend such place that is not foreigner friendly, but anyone with some Japanese ability can go to Manzoku and ask for fetish clubs. That's how I found them. This is the best way because shops change all the time, and there are many. Manzoku staff will know on the spot if you can get in or by calling them to ask the shop. 95% of people are beginners so that's why I write beginner guides. Veterans don't need much help, I never needed help even once in 20 years. That's why I have a 20 year posting gap since my first reports in 2004. My guides are written so that even 5 or 10 years later someone could still use them, just the shop names might change.
I point people towards Kira Kira, Luxe oppai pub, and the Yoasobi directory because they are all beginner and foreigner friendly. Delivery Health is best after that, many Veterans love it. I have helped people all over including NYC and elsewhere, but I only help people in public so that anyone can read and use it even years later. I hope people write their own report with fresh intel. Like Rick Rock I like certain types of shops "too much", so other people will have to fill in the rest.
I'm retired now. I have little new info to add because I'm just enjoying the same shops I've already talked about. I basically rotate between the three top oppai pubs, no way I can be bored with the 150 girls on their full roster since every day it's a different set of girls. Maybe some UTR action on the side. It's someone else's turn to showcase something new besides that. I believe in you.
About video option, I've seen it at a few shops on their website. If you went to my Japan guides you could find the link in seconds it's not hard. Do make sure to check a girls' menu to see if she offers the option. I've seen it offered starting at 1 man ($67), though the shop linked starts at 15k ($100).
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2966012 Japan guides
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2976987 Thank you for the stories
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2975808 Retirement post, the Fountain of Youth
This has always been my impression, but there was one way. New Hot Point aka NHP. It was a strip club that offered blowjobs, so the girls were super hot. It was NOT a pinosaro specializing in blowjobs. So it kind of goes to the point that I would not expect it at a pink salon. In fact, even 20 years ago on ISG that was well known so the "expect below average woman" rule has never changed in decades. If you want a bj from a cute young girl, you have to go up a step whether that's Delivery Health or some unique place like NHP that "happened to offer bj". The NHP girls ranged from B-Tier to S-Tier, it was so obvious a girl was S-Tier because the line would go out the door for each show since their schedules were published. Originally Posted by Rick Rock
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http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2967223 New Hot Point (NHP)
https://tokyonightstyle.com/blog/med...-point-review/ NHP review
https://rockitreports.com/review-new...t-tokyo-japan/ NHP review
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2928099 The problem with bjs and hjs in Japan
To be clear, this shop is closed. I started getting blowjobs and handjobs from these girls 15 years ago and still can't stop thinking about a few of them. The girls had blogs and I saved their photos. I knew it was bad when I would plan my sightseeing around her work schedule, but I've since moved on. You do get 'satisfied' of it after seeing a girl on repeat enough but it was a dirt cheap addon ranging from 2000 to 4000 yen ($13 to $26). Handjobs you could feel their tits and chat, blowjobs obviously they can't talk.
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01-27-25 22:37 #14071
Wifi
I'm reading travel blogs implying a portable handheld wifi device is necessary in Japan. I have a major USA based carrier with automatic international calling plans I get for free when travel. Had not had issues anywhere in SE Asia. I think the blogs are old? I'll be in Osaka, Kyoto and Tokyo. I'd hate to have to carry yet another device but don't want to be without wifi for extended periods either.
Advice?
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01-27-25 16:37 #1407071 years old and she's still hookin? That's not a sight I want to see. Originally Posted by DoubleShooter
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How much was the fee for the MILF? I assume it's lower than younger delivery services.
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