Nairobi

[JoshAllen]

Do you mind sharing a basic idea of your age / looks? I am a youngish looking middle aged dude with a little extra in the middle and cheeks, but not hideous I suppose. I wonder what sort of success I could have with these sorts of dating sites as a result. I am very intrigued by a trip to Kenya. The woman seem gorgeous. I am very tempted to pull the trigger on some flights. I don't know if money will be sufficient to offset my age in order to pull some very attractive, fit young ladies.

OK my bad. I did try to search the forum for answers originally but couldn't seem to zero in on it. However digging deeper, I found some answers:

Money is all that Matters to Them (Rwenotmen): http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2528269.

None of that matters to African chicks (Rwenotmen): http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2914984.

Late 60's guy (MamaGuevos) slaying on dating apps: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2904003.

On the matter of direct approach on the streets though, JoeF479 thinks it is a little more challenging: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2895468.

Could be more that specifically talk about older guys' success, but this is what I found so far.

[Edward5]

I appreciate this report, thank you.

Do you mind sharing a basic idea of your age / looks? I am a youngish looking middle aged dude with a little extra in the middle and cheeks, but not hideous I suppose. I wonder what sort of success I could have with these sorts of dating sites as a result. I am very intrigued by a trip to Kenya. The woman seem gorgeous. I am very tempted to pull the trigger on some flights. I don't know if money will be sufficient to offset my age in order to pull some very attractive, fit young ladies.

I'm over here right now, I will say that we really don't know how attractive the women are he is meeting.

If you use any of these online dating apps, you will find many unattractive women contacting you. You can easily get unattractive women, they are plentiful, but young and attractive is a different story.

If you have your sites on attractive women, its much more difficult. Attractive women have options, they can hook up with a rich Kenyan.

I would say you will have to work to get attractive, fit, young women over here. Most of the younger white guys with Kenyan girlfriends I see here, I am always thinking, he came here for that?

That being said, you will have a better shot at pulling young under 25 girls here than in USA. I would join the dating sites and see if you can actually get good communication with these girls. What I find is you will get liked, but when you try to have any conversation they rarely reply back.

The other thing is make sure you attracted to these types of Africans here, they are not like the light skinned blacks in USA.

[JoshAllen]

I appreciate this report, thank you.

Overall, the trip is going well. Impossible to meet with all the girls that I have been communicating with. As mentioned, all the girls I have seen were from the Kenyacupid site. . .

Do you mind sharing a basic idea of your age / looks? I am a youngish looking middle aged dude with a little extra in the middle and cheeks, but not hideous I suppose. I wonder what sort of success I could have with these sorts of dating sites as a result. I am very intrigued by a trip to Kenya. The woman seem gorgeous. I am very tempted to pull the trigger on some flights. I don't know if money will be sufficient to offset my age in order to pull some very attractive, fit young ladies.

[Edward5]

As mentioned in my previous posting, I booked at Clarence House. It is true that it is not guest friendly. I was disappointed to see the following note on the desk when I checked in the room. This is an excerpt from the note: ". Bookings are strictly for single occupancy. Any extra guest has to go to the reception, present their IDs, and pay upfront. Additionally there is a charge of 50 USD for each extra guest. " So far I have had 4 visits after 6 nights without having to pay any extra guest charge. (The first night I checked in after 11 pm so that doesn't count as I just checked in and went to sleep).

Cudjoe Man, what are you telling these girls online before meeting with them? Are you letting them know what you want or are you just inviting them to eat and then take it from there?

[Member #4813]

There was no fee for my two girls at the Radisson Blu Nairobi Arboretum. Nor for the Sarova Stanley Nairobi, although the Stanley once charged me $50 USD for the second girl when she stayed after midnight (the first girl was no extra charge). My memory is a bit hazy, but I think I had a threesome at the Stanley once before (~ 2022) without an extra charge, so I guess the charge depends on who is at the front desk. "Sneaking" a girl into your room is quite simple at the Stanley, as it takes no effort to simply walk past security to the elevator and go up to the room.

Both the Radisson and the Stanley are in the CBD. The Radisson is far away from anything that is fun (but there are taxis in Nairobi that you can call for transportation) and the Stanley is in a seedy neighborhood (but close to some nice action). I am still looking for a hotel in Westlands, but I will probably go back to the Stanley. It sounds like Clarence House is a pain to deal with. I realize a lot of people here like airbnb, but I like the services in a hotel. Plus, I harbor a fantasy of fucking the maid, which will never happen in an airbnb! LOL.

Even if you book a room in Kenya most hotels will require you to pay a guest fee it can be waived if the front desk attendant is cool and he sheared the woman ID after she leaves. Even when I was on River Road the women who had rooms they were working out of had to pay a guest fee from 200-500 ksh. The hotels I stayed in required me to pay a 1500 ksh fee per guest I brought into my room. Most of the Kenyan I met I felt as if I couldn't trust them to bring to the hotel I laid my head therefore, I had another hotel meant for dates set up and I brought them there.

I'm curious to know are you implying the women never asked for me even after sex? I find that hard to believe I saw some women raising hell with some guys who thought that pussy was for free!

[MwenByen]

Even if you book a room in Kenya most hotels will require you to pay a guest fee it can be waived if the front desk attendant is cool and he sheared the woman ID after she leaves. Even when I was on River Road the women who had rooms they were working out of had to pay a guest fee from 200-500 ksh. The hotels I stayed in required me to pay a 1500 ksh fee per guest I brought into my room. Most of the Kenyan I met I felt as if I couldn't trust them to bring to the hotel I laid my head therefore, I had another hotel meant for dates set up and I brought them there.

I'm curious to know are you implying the women never asked for me even after sex? I find that hard to believe I saw some women raising hell with some guys who thought that pussy was for free!

As mentioned in my previous posting, I booked at Clarence House. It is true that it is not guest friendly. I was disappointed to see the following note on the desk when I checked in the room. This is an excerpt from the note: ". Bookings are strictly for single occupancy. Any extra guest has to go to the reception, present their IDs, and pay upfront. Additionally there is a charge of 50 USD for each extra guest. " So far I have had 4 visits after 6 nights without having to pay any extra guest charge. (The first night I checked in after 11 pm so that doesn't count as I just checked in and went to sleep).

For the first three guests, no questions / issues raised, on the 4th the guard called me back as I was entering the building from the parking lot with my guest. I told him that I was just going upstairs to get something then to the restaurant for meals. He said OK, I went upstairs got what I needed and proceeded to go to the restaurant / bar for drinks, then we went to my room. We were in the room for about 4 hours before she left, no further questions or annoyance from the guard or Admin, but I was a bit worried that I would be interrupted and asking to get the guest checked in).

The previous guests, I had no issues, for all but one of them we went to the restaurant / bar on the rooftop /7th floor t (after I met them in the parking lot and paid the fare) hen came back down to the lobby, then walked across to the building where I was housed with no problems. All my guests arrived in daytime hours and by the time they left it was dark. My theory was that me and my guest coming from the restaurant and walking to the room, it appears that we are a couple who checked in together, but for a guest coming out of a taxi in the parking lot, it seems apparent that you are just a visitor, also the guards do check each vehicle that enters the lot, who are you, are you a gust, room #, etc. That's why I try to meet the guest in the parking and head straight towards the restaurant and not to my room initially.

I plan to have my last scheduled guest tomorrow (in the daytime as usual), tomorrow is also my last night here. Would I stay here for mongering purposes again. The answer is no. Not recommended for such purposes unless you don't mind the extra charges if found out you have an unpaid guest, and even if not found out, the anticipation that you are being watched to see who comes to visit is not a nice feeling. My mistake for the choice of this place, but so far I have had luck on my side.

Overall, the trip is going well. Impossible to meet with all the girls that I have been communicating with. As mentioned, all the girls I have seen were from the Kenyacupid site, so far none of them asked me for money. I did take all of them to the restaurant here on the premises for food / drinks, to break the ice so to speak, before heading to the room. I have been communicating with all the girls One to two weeks before I arrived here. Only one girl, I took straight to the room and ordered room service food for her. I paid the taxi service for all of them (range was 700 to 1000 KES). All the girls asked me to send taxi for them. I asked them to get their own taxi and tell me how much the fare is before they arrive, then meet them in the parking lot with the fare amount and I paid the driver directly. I also gave the girls the same amount for the return trip when they were ready to leave. I have been fortunate to have girls that I actually liked in person. All stayed with me for at least a few hours between food drinks, shower, sex, etc. , none seemed in a hurry to leave, they all claimed to have a regular or part time job, one had her small business. I bought some chocolate (less than $5 total, 3 small bottles (1 FL oz) inexpensive perfume (less than $20 total) for my 3 favorites.

[Cudjoe Man]

As mentioned in my previous posting, I booked at Clarence House. It is true that it is not guest friendly. I was disappointed to see the following note on the desk when I checked in the room. This is an excerpt from the note: ". Bookings are strictly for single occupancy. Any extra guest has to go to the reception, present their IDs, and pay upfront. Additionally there is a charge of 50 USD for each extra guest. " So far I have had 4 visits after 6 nights without having to pay any extra guest charge. (The first night I checked in after 11 pm so that doesn't count as I just checked in and went to sleep).

For the first three guests, no questions / issues raised, on the 4th the guard called me back as I was entering the building from the parking lot with my guest. I told him that I was just going upstairs to get something then to the restaurant for meals. He said OK, I went upstairs got what I needed and proceeded to go to the restaurant / bar for drinks, then we went to my room. We were in the room for about 4 hours before she left, no further questions or annoyance from the guard or Admin, but I was a bit worried that I would be interrupted and asking to get the guest checked in).

The previous guests, I had no issues, for all but one of them we went to the restaurant / bar on the rooftop /7th floor t (after I met them in the parking lot and paid the fare) hen came back down to the lobby, then walked across to the building where I was housed with no problems. All my guests arrived in daytime hours and by the time they left it was dark. My theory was that me and my guest coming from the restaurant and walking to the room, it appears that we are a couple who checked in together, but for a guest coming out of a taxi in the parking lot, it seems apparent that you are just a visitor, also the guards do check each vehicle that enters the lot, who are you, are you a gust, room #, etc. That's why I try to meet the guest in the parking and head straight towards the restaurant and not to my room initially.

I plan to have my last scheduled guest tomorrow (in the daytime as usual), tomorrow is also my last night here. Would I stay here for mongering purposes again. The answer is no. Not recommended for such purposes unless you don't mind the extra charges if found out you have an unpaid guest, and even if not found out, the anticipation that you are being watched to see who comes to visit is not a nice feeling. My mistake for the choice of this place, but so far I have had luck on my side.

Overall, the trip is going well. Impossible to meet with all the girls that I have been communicating with. As mentioned, all the girls I have seen were from the Kenyacupid site, so far none of them asked me for money. I did take all of them to the restaurant here on the premises for food / drinks, to break the ice so to speak, before heading to the room. I have been communicating with all the girls One to two weeks before I arrived here. Only one girl, I took straight to the room and ordered room service food for her. I paid the taxi service for all of them (range was 700 to 1000 KES). All the girls asked me to send taxi for them. I asked them to get their own taxi and tell me how much the fare is before they arrive, then meet them in the parking lot with the fare amount and I paid the driver directly. I also gave the girls the same amount for the return trip when they were ready to leave. I have been fortunate to have girls that I actually liked in person. All stayed with me for at least a few hours between food drinks, shower, sex, etc. , none seemed in a hurry to leave, they all claimed to have a regular or part time job, one had her small business. I bought some chocolate (less than $5 total, 3 small bottles (1 FL oz) inexpensive perfume (less than $20 total) for my 3 favorites.

Clarence House is very strange. They have perfectly nice rooms with king size beds that are for only 1 individual. One has to get a suite to have two people in your room and a suite with two bedrooms for 3 or 4 people. I thought it had a nice location so I inquired about their guest policy. I emailed management telling them I wanted a 2 person suite and that I would be alone, bringing home an unregistered guest every night. They responded:

"Dear Mamaguevos: We will offer you an executive one-bedroom suite at a special rate of USD 170 per night and USD 200 for a two-bedroom apartment for bed and breakfast (2 pax).

If you are more than 2 pax then you will be required to pay an extra USD 50 per pax / night for the guests..

[Mombie75]

So wouldn't you go in Nairobi as first long trip in Africa?

Where would you go in Africa?

Sure you can. If you are an English only speaker then it is the obvious option imo.

What you quoted me in above is just an observation of mine. It does not mean do not come to Kenya or you will not enjoy it.

I usually advise Mombasa over Nairobi as it is easier to navigate.

[Kennn]

This is Kenya. Everyone in this country worships money and I mean worships. I have been to and lived in 20+ countries and no other comes close to Kenya. They are most money hungry and greediest people I have ever come across.

Once you do not cough up some cash to a female here then that's the end of that. I.

Remember, as a foreigner in Kenya you are nothing more and never will be anything other than an possible ATM machine.

So wouldn't you go in Nairobi as first long trip in Africa?

Where would you go in Africa?

[Amadeuss]

He said all of these areas are good areas. Kasarani has the better nightlife.

What a nonsense advice: a big area without any bars but sport stadiums, institute of insects, bare land. Gosh. Ask your "useless informer" of name of bars or roads where to find the possible pick-ups. Anything else, just forget about it.

[Reiner Otto]

Of course, if one girl per night is satisfactory, its only $170 a night not including taxes, still expensive but not outrageous.

You might consider AirBnB as an alternative.

[Member #4813]

Thanks for the feedback from both of you. I am leaning away from the massagerepublic pros since it seems as if I have more than I can handle from kenyacupid. So far, I actually have about a dozen from the cupid site that have moved on to whatsApp messaging with me. The conversations are generally good. Just a few bad apples, like this one claim today is her birthday and asking for a gift. No response from me. She was on my tier 3 list anyway. I am black coming from the US so the girls see $$ LOL. I booked at Clarence house in the Westlands area. I wanted a place with a kitchen (for the refrigerator, stove, etc.). I did not ask about guests. Never had problems with bringing in girls' at hotels before, but maybe because in all my international rendezvous in hotels, the bookings were done by my job's travel office. Also, for me personally I usually prefer the girl leave after the deed (s) was done. One deed per girl, per day for the seven nights will be enough for me. I am early sixties, just retired, thus I begin my self-paid international mongering career, LOL.

Solid advice about raising the expectation of sex before wasting time on a date. One of my tier 1 girls did ask me if I am coming to Nairobi for hookups. Not sure if I handled it very well with her but will make sure it is discussed again before we meet.

Clarence House is very strange. They have perfectly nice rooms with king size beds that are for only 1 individual. One has to get a suite to have two people in your room and a suite with two bedrooms for 3 or 4 people. I thought it had a nice location so I inquired about their guest policy. I emailed management telling them I wanted a 2 person suite and that I would be alone, bringing home an unregistered guest every night. They responded:

"Dear Mamaguevos: We will offer you an executive one-bedroom suite at a special rate of USD 170 per night and USD 200 for a two-bedroom apartment for bed and breakfast (2 pax).

If you are more than 2 pax then you will be required to pay an extra USD 50 per pax / night for the guests.

Please note that the maximum occupants in a one-bedroom executive suite are 2 pax and 4 pax for a two-bedroom apartment. " This included breakfast. There was the usual stuff about the hotel's amenities, including wifi, pool, gymnasium, "discounted" fares to airport, etc.

To me, it seems a bit pricey if I end up doing 2 girls a night (and extra $30 USD for the 2 BR suite and an extra $50 for the second girl, that is to say $280 for the room not including taxes), but it is good to know that they are guest friendly. Of course, if one girl per night is satisfactory, its only $170 a night not including taxes, still expensive but not outrageous.

[Argo1990]

I wonder if there are any telegram groups with somewhat reliable info on mongering in Nairobi or other African countries. I know some groups that have up to date and good info on Colombia, Mexico and Brazil for example. But Africa would be cool in preparation for a trip to exchange information and look up the hotspots.

[GrownMan1]

First of all, I like to thank you guys for giving out good information. I'm getting ready for my first African trip. ISG is my main source of current and controversial situations that prepares me for Nairobi.

I'm in a WhatsApp chat group and one of the guys who recently came from Nairobi gave me his boots on the ground contact.

Our Contact, what seems to be a young man who said he was studying at the university? He seemed very helpful in explaining different locations.

"Westland's and Kilimani are good but because tourists love there, they are highly overcharged. ".

He only confirmed what I've already learned from reading previous Trip reports.

I asked him where the other areas that was good but less touristy.

" Along the thika superhighway, easy access to the cbd, cheap and safe, look around Kasarani, pangani, Ruiru.

He said all of these areas are good areas. Kasarani has the better nightlife.

Ruiru will give you access to the university girls p4 p.

I really don't want to deal with the heaviest traffic areas during my stay. I was considering Kasarani. He says I'm not going to want to leave that area once I see it. Is this area that popping?

[Neddy69]

Sorry my English is not the best but listen I meant to imply $300 per month is close to a good living wage in Nairobi. So most women will expect to receive $100 per month from a sugar daddy. From my experience they ask for increments of small amounts of money that adds up to $40 roughly. As far as sex goes here's the thing you have three different price systems in that country. You know paying for sex in Africa is completely different from any part of the world so here's the thing your nationality, race and ethnicity determines how much you pay in Kenya. Black foreigners can expect to get average rate of ksh 1000 from a descent looking Kenyan and they'll expect to pay ksh 3000 for a well kept high maintenance looking woman in CBD. Mombasa Road prices for black foreigners starts off at ksh 3000 and it goes up from there. Mzungu rates can be higher especially in Westlands and Mombasa Road aspect the woman to want at least ksh 5000. However, no price is guaranteed because I reported extensively in the past that women will ask for more money after sex. They even do that to Kenyan men, the Tanzanian women are bold enough to try to dig in your pockets to grab a few thousand more shillings. This is just from my perspective and me getting price quotes from other people. And if you're looking for cheap sex in a night club stick with Sabrina Joy warning most men been reporting the quality is going downhill there!

TZ hookers outside TZ are the worst I came across in Kenya and Uganda. No touch with a selfie pole. The best I had in TZ was a Malawi hoe. And some Muslim girls from Tanga. Many others pure overcharging gold diggers. LOL.

Mwalimu.