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[XXL]

I gave up Truvada a few days into my HIV-PreP as it made me sick. Now my stomach has started hating doxycycline after one-month use. I changed from DoxyPeP 200 MG to DoxyPreP 100 MG daily, but to no avail. Even when I take it after a meal I get stomach-ache at once. It feels like I were growing a peptic ulcer.

[Lumens]

In a city (metro area) of over 30 million people.

Do the math.

600,000/30,000,000=. 02.

So one fifth of one percent of the population. I'd be willing to bet some other cities in the world have a lot higher percentage per capita of HIV positive people in their populations.

But regardless of statistics or prep, if someone wants to strap up it's a personal choice. So strap up if you want to or don't if you don't want to. It's all about personal preferences and respecting each other's wishes.

Gabacho.

First, what people want to do is between them and their consenting legal aged provider. That said, while your numbers are technically true it leaves out some important qualifiers; 30 million people are not bare backing between 3-10 random dudes off the street 7 days a week. Certain communities in Jakarta are going to have a higher prevalence of STI's because of the behaviors in those groups. E. g. The trans community in Jakarta has a highest rate of HIV because as a group they engage in the riskiest behaviors. A lot of us on this board just so happen to swim in the same pool that also has a high prevalence of STI's relative to the general population. A better formula would be to calculate the total number of SW who bare back have STI's vs how many from the total pool P4P dudes see them. The starting point for your odds of catching something are actually use that number as basis to add and subtract additional factors. Depending on the source, as far as Asian countries go, Jakarta has the highest level of STI's. Again, I am not telling people what to do, I am just laying out the facts. I have occasionally partaken but I do try to lower my odds when I do it.

[Expat American]

There were stats googling found more than 600 k hiv+ in Jakarta few years ago.

Its not 600 K. Its like about 66 K. Take what risks you want or not but at least quote the correct statistics.

[Gabacho]

If you look at the formal govt health statistics 599,998 or those a foreigners, so what's the problem?? 😜.

G.

Lmao so red hot chilli peppers is just referring to all the bules in Jakarta LOL.

Makes. Sense now.

[Goferring]

In a city (metro area) of over 30 million people.

Do the math.

600,000/30,000,000=. 02.

So one fifth of one percent of the population. I'd be willing to bet some other cities in the world have a lot higher percentage per capita of HIV positive people in their populations.

But regardless of statistics or prep, if someone wants to strap up it's a personal choice. So strap up if you want to or don't if you don't want to. It's all about personal preferences and respecting each other's wishes.

Gabacho.

If you look at the formal govt health statistics 599,998 or those a foreigners, so what's the problem?? 😜.

G.

[Gabacho]

There were stats googling found more than 600 k hiv+ in Jakarta few years ago.

In a city (metro area) of over 30 million people.

Do the math.

600,000/30,000,000=. 02.

So one fifth of one percent of the population. I'd be willing to bet some other cities in the world have a lot higher percentage per capita of HIV positive people in their populations.

But regardless of statistics or prep, if someone wants to strap up it's a personal choice. So strap up if you want to or don't if you don't want to. It's all about personal preferences and respecting each other's wishes.

Gabacho.

[Chilli1]

There were stats googling found more than 600 k hiv+ in Jakarta few years ago.

Hiv is like Covid so treatable. The odds of infection are like your powerball numbers winning 1st division. The only winners are the fear mongers and big pharmacy companies whom I bet are on this forum stoking fears and that you must buy prep you must buy this pill and that pill.

[HarryReams]

Hiv is like Covid so treatable. The odds of infection are like your powerball numbers winning 1st division. The only winners are the fear mongers and big pharmacy companies whom I bet are on this forum stoking fears and that you must buy prep you must buy this pill and that pill.

A Thai ex-GF who's a doctor and had several hiv and aids patients liked to claim even if you get hiv, it's not really that serious anymore with today's medicine. So even less reason to worry?

On the other hand, 30 days of hiv prep costs 800 baht (USD 25?) or so in Thailand. Not having to worry about this incurable disease even a little bit after every time I have sex with someone, and keep worrying till my next std test, is worth it to me.

Maybe I should worry more about getting hit by lightning, but that I cannot do anything about, while for 800 baht it's fairly easy to do something about the former.

[Werqweq]

I am amazed at how many straight guys are worried about HIV. Do your research. The odds of catching HIV from pussy sex are 4 in 10,000. And that's if she has active HIV. Multiply that by the odds that a girl has HIV (that's how statistics work) and your def much more likely to be hit by lightning. I am not exaggerating. Totally serious. Much more likely to be hit by lightning.

Of course if ur taking cum in the ass from strangers then by all means prep up!

A Thai ex-GF who's a doctor and had several hiv and aids patients liked to claim even if you get hiv, it's not really that serious anymore with today's medicine. So even less reason to worry?

On the other hand, 30 days of hiv prep costs 800 baht (USD 25?) or so in Thailand. Not having to worry about this incurable disease even a little bit after every time I have sex with someone, and keep worrying till my next std test, is worth it to me.

Maybe I should worry more about getting hit by lightning, but that I cannot do anything about, while for 800 baht it's fairly easy to do something about the former.

[Safado70]

You are using the lower value of a broad range of imprecise estimates. But most importantly: I only have pussy sex, but my risk factors are way higher than the plain vanilla sex which is the basis of population wide average calculations. When I travel for sex, I literally fuck till my dick bleeds. Don't you think that this might influence transmission rates?

Anyway, I'm currently in Pattaya, fucking 80% bareback. This little blue pill box I got at Pulse clinic in second road gives me an incredible peace of mind, for a very low price and no side-effects at all. What else could I ask for?

[Steve 9696]

The drug will be marketed under the name Yeztugo and sell for an annual price of $28,218, or $14,109 per injection. ".

This means it's going to cost about 1000 per injection in the free world. Still a lot of money for most people.

I am amazed at how many straight guys are worried about HIV. Do your research. The odds of catching HIV from pussy sex are 4 in 10,000. And that's if she has active HIV. Multiply that by the odds that a girl has HIV (that's how statistics work) and your def much more likely to be hit by lightning. I am not exaggerating. Totally serious. Much more likely to be hit by lightning.

Of course if ur taking cum in the ass from strangers then by all means prep up!

[Gabacho]

Thank you Gabacho and Safado70 for the info on lenacapavir / Yeztugo.

Here's me hoping that the "$40 per person per year" cost for lenacapavir mentioned in this CNN article becomes reality soon.

Here's me also hoping that there will soon be easy and cost effective preventions for pregnancy and STD's (Human Papillomavirus, Chlamydia, Gonorrhea, Syphilis, Herpes, Trichomoniasis.).

Maybe there already are easy and cost effective preventions for pregnancy and STD's, and I'm just not up-to-date and readily aware of them, and therefore I need to read-up more and educate myself.

Basically, here's me hoping that BBFS becomes more and more less-risk and less-stress.

The price Safado mentioned would be without insurance coverage, if you were to buy it completely out of pocket. As with all new medications they often have very expensive prices when they are first available and then become more affordable as time goes by. I remember when Viagra was $30 usd per pill, now you can get 30 Viagra pills for peanuts at Costco.

Gabacho.

[Cowboy Bebop]

Thank you Gabacho and Safado70 for the info on lenacapavir / Yeztugo.

Here's me hoping that the "$40 per person per year" cost for lenacapavir mentioned in this CNN article becomes reality soon.

Here's me also hoping that there will soon be easy and cost effective preventions for pregnancy and STD's (Human Papillomavirus, Chlamydia, Gonorrhea, Syphilis, Herpes, Trichomoniasis.).

Maybe there already are easy and cost effective preventions for pregnancy and STD's, and I'm just not up-to-date and readily aware of them, and therefore I need to read-up more and educate myself.

Basically, here's me hoping that BBFS becomes more and more less-risk and less-stress.

"......Gilead Sciences, maker of the drug, announced that a twice-a-year injection of lenacapavir has been approved in the United States for HIV prevention under the brand name Yeztugo. In clinical trials, the drug was found to dramatically reduce the risk of infection and provide near-total protection against HIV, significantly more than the primary options available for pre-exposure prophylaxis or PrEP.......Therapies called PrEP have been used to prevent HIV infections for years. In the United States, this may involve taking pills, such as a daily medication called Truvada, or getting shots, such as injections every two months of the medication Apretude. But a twice-yearly shot of lenacapavir has now become another option in the prevention toolbox making it the first and only such shot for HIV prevention.......One study published in November in the Journal of Antimicrobial Chemotherapy found that for treatment, lenacapavir costs up to nearly $45,000 per person per year without insurance, as an average wholesale list price but it could be mass-produced for less than $100 per person per year......The team of researchers behind the study projected a possible minimum price based on the drugs current ingredients, production models and cost models. They demonstrated that lenacapavir could be mass-produced for up to $93 per person per year, potentially falling to about $40 per person per year if voluntary licences are in place and competition between generic suppliers substantially improves........Voluntary licensing and multiple suppliers are required to achieve these low prices, the researchers wrote in the study abstract. This mechanism is already in place for other antiretrovirals." (https://edition.cnn.com/2025/06/18/health/hiv-lenacapavir-fda-approval)

The whole reason why classic is so popular is because people know that BBFS is available there. If they started actually enforcing a strict condom policy or charging 500 k or 1 juta for BBFS the place would go out of business......If they tried to make us use condoms we would all just go to lokasari or the train tracks or build a semi-pro network like I have......Also as a side note to the guy who mentioned an HIV scares at travel in 2008, I was just reading that the FSA just approved a new medication that is 100% effective against HIV and it's an injection you get twice a year called lenacapavir. It's basically a functional cure if you already have it and it's a functional vaccine if you don't have it. Here's a link to an article about it........This isn't 2008 this is 2025 and we have more tools to protect us.

The drug will be marketed under the name Yeztugo and sell for an annual price of $28,218, or $14,109 per injection. ".......This means it's going to cost about 1000 per injection in the free world. Still a lot of money for most people.

[Safado70]

„The drug will be marketed under the name Yeztugo and sell for an annual price of $28,218, or $14,109 per injection. ".

This means it's going to cost about 1000 per injection in the free world. Still a lot of money for most people.

[Gabacho]

But I do look forward to the posts in a few years about why all the ladies are asking 500 K to 1 million tip, how the dollar or other western currencies have lost their purchasing power against the rupiah, or how most ladies refuse to go with bule / other foreigners now and are Chinese or Indo only ladies.

The whole reason why classic is so popular is because people know that BBFS is available there. If they started actually enforcing a strict condom policy or charging 500 k or 1 juta for BBFS the place would go out of business.

Do you really think all those Chinese dudes are using condoms?

If they tried to make us use condoms we would all just go to lokasari or the train tracks or build a semi-pro network like I have. And then classic wouldn't have 10% of the customers it has now. Basically just the guys who want to use condoms would be the only guys still going. Just like travel. I don't patronize the place but numerous people have reported that they even use Condoms for blow jobs and also they have a declining clientele. I remember some guy saying he couldn't get into classic wearing a tanktop but he was able to get into travel wearing his tanktop and then another poster said travel was hurting for customers. Well why do you think they are hurting for customers? It's obvious there is a direct correlation between condom enforcement and losing customers.

Also as a side note to the guy who mentioned an HIV scars at travel in 2008, I was just reading that the FSA just approved a new medication that is 100% effective against HIV and it's an injection you get twice a year called lenacapavir. It's basically a functional cure if you already have it and it's a functional vaccine if you don't have it. Here's a link to an article about it:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...l/84240744007/

This isn't 2008 this is 2025 and we have more tools to protect us.

-Gabacho.