Bangkok Reports

[MachchiBaba]

For those of you who know the history prior to COVID. The Spasso's bar in the basement of Hotel Hyatt Erawan use to turn into an exclusive pickup joint at 10 pm every night. Live band, beautiful Thai, EE women, booze set that place up like no other. It was a bit expensive relatively, 5-Star rates applied but I guess it wasn't too bad at all. One could see beauties dressed elegantly step in through the door one after another while families would slowly leave, knowing the place will soon morph this evening classic Italian restaurant into a late night Adult Hookup House. This use to be my best hunting ground for two reasons - 1) I thought I did not miss much stepping out of the Hotel, all the better girls (so I think) walked over to the Daddies, no effort needed 2) The convenience was second to none, I could pick someone up and run up the elevator straight to the room in a minute flat.

After COVID, they closed down the late night "Adult Hookup House", I suppose it is now a full-time family restaurant. Do any of you old timers here know a similar 5 Star Hotel Bar that might have a night gig like Spasso's still. I heard The Bamboo Bar located in The Mandarin Oriental hotel might be similar but I have not heard anything for sure. Are there others anyone would like to share?

[MachchiBaba]

Me neither. Your post was well written and honest.

But let me also be honest: a girl that suggest you use transferwise to pay her is no newbie to this business.

You are right about the knowledge on Wise, generally. Apparently, she works in finance remittance and ForEx dealings. I know her pretty well after all the time together. Her Bank where she works was on the other side of the Hotel I stayed. She would stay with me at the Hotel for the entire time I was there, she would walk over to the other side to work and she would come back during lunch time sometime and back after work. All that said, she absolutely may have a past.

[MachchiBaba]

Thai general society consider white is symbol of wealth, good luck and status.

Even you are rich with brown skin, the girl might accept you, but society still doesn't see her as accomplished.

An Indian friend of mine married Thai girl, she is happy with him, but her family doesn't really accept him as her sister who married to Czech guy.

The goal is to look white, having white kids.

Thai people also Believe word of mouth that Brown skin people are stingy, and she will not be able to take care of her sick Buffalo and entire family.

Ideal candidate is mid 50's rich white men, who will take care of her with regular remittances, maybe open a business for her sister and brother. And built a home and she will be well taken care of, historically brown men are not known for doing that so that's why they trend to avoid.

Back in US a friend of mine married Thai girl (white guy), few years later she open massage shop and does provide home visits. He is very chilled, laid back and let her make money peacefully vs brown men will sure have problem with this.

In Thailand, my goal is quality P4 P and enjoy great food and beer.

I agree with all your observations, pretty succinct I must say. If I were to put myself into the shoes of that hypothetical brown guy, I think I would come out to be stingy also. I won't see the point of going that further into it. I also think if I was truly looking for a relationship I would not hesitate to go beyond the attributes of the hypothetical white guy here. In my case, ever since I met her I have made it abundantly clear that I am not here for a relationship but I like the prolonged GF experience.

[Werqweq]

Well, when it comes to only "good" reviews you have to learn how to read between the lines. If a gal doesn't get 310's, then there is definitely something lacking. When you see a nine you can really read a seven or maybe even a six. There is a reason for that, and that reason is the agents read these reviews and if you are continually posting bad reviews then you will definitely get blacklisted by some of these agents. A better way of handling a bad experience is to deal with it directly with the agent who you booked through.

What will the agent do? I think I do a decent job of setting a good mood from the start (turning on the limited charm I have), so I have not really had any problems with service.

The problem has only been that some of the girls are too photoshopped in their pictures. Most of the girls I've seen have been from the same agent (I guess, assuming if it's the same hotel, it's also the same agent, though I could be wrong). Some have been head-turning pretty or cute, while others have been 2-3 years older, 5 kg heavier, and considerably less pretty than their photos.

I also think I've found the reason for some complaints I've seen here about the girl not being the girl from the photo, after it happened to me once or twice. In both those cases I went back and saw there is some text on the girls page about the photos being replicas (or something like that according to google's hopeless thai translations), and not the real photos.

[Werqweq]

I have no idea about social media. If these girls are as Hot as Goatscrit implies then the girls need a new Business Model. I thought they were independence contractors. Hahaha.

Do you always post so authoritatively about things you have no idea about?

[Werqweq]

I am not sure why is that level of specificity relevant here (The reason I had mentioned about my appearance was to set a context that I don't appear as a rich white foreigner to a Thai women rather an average brown skinned guy.

Me neither. Your post was well written and honest.

But let me also be honest: a girl that suggest you use transferwise to pay her is no newbie to this business.

[Goatscrot]

I have no idea about social media. If these girls are as Hot as Goatscrit implies then the girls need a new Business Model. I thought they were independence contractors. Hahaha.

I think they're pretty much spot on for the local market. Soapies have turned into clip joints for East Asian tourists, and the prices in Go-Go's are absolutely outrageous considering the quality. Oilies are kind of comparable but overall I would say have less attractive women than what's available online.
The local punters want affordable and discreet as it's no longer acceptable to be seen going to a big soapy parlor with your workmates or friends like it was in the early '00s and before.

[MohdirFan82]

Thai general society consider white is symbol of wealth, good luck and status.

Even you are rich with brown skin, the girl might accept you, but society still doesn't see her as accomplished.

An Indian friend of mine married Thai girl, she is happy with him, but her family doesn't really accept him as her sister who married to Czech guy.

The goal is to look white, having white kids.

Thai people also Believe word of mouth that Brown skin people are stingy, and she will not be able to take care of her sick Buffalo and entire family.

Ideal candidate is mid 50's rich white men, who will take care of her with regular remittances, maybe open a business for her sister and brother. And built a home and she will be well taken care of, historically brown men are not known for doing that so that's why they trend to avoid.

Back in US a friend of mine married Thai girl (white guy), few years later she open massage shop and does provide home visits. He is very chilled, laid back and let her make money peacefully vs brown men will sure have problem with this.

In Thailand, my goal is quality P4 P and enjoy great food and beer.

I am not sure why is that level of specificity relevant here (The reason I had mentioned about my appearance was to set a context that I don't appear as a rich white foreigner to a Thai women rather an average brown skinned guy.

[MachchiBaba]

Are you Indian?

About this great professional job she has. Did you Verify? Odd she can just take off when she wants. Hahaha.

I am not sure why is that level of specificity relevant here (The reason I had mentioned about my appearance was to set a context that I don't appear as a rich white foreigner to a Thai women rather an average brown skinned guy.

[Chan Chalupa]

Voila what? The fiwfans girl cut of 2500 is not 2500.

I have no idea about social media. If these girls are as Hot as Goatscrit implies then the girls need a new Business Model. I thought they were independence contractors. Hahaha.

[Goatscrot]

I'm not sure. I only signed up for Telegram to use fiwfans, so I don't know how to use it well yet, but the one group I have joined (an agency group) does not seem to have much reviews. It has daily updates of who is working every day, and the occasional question, but I have not seen any reviews there I think.

Also, after using fiwfans for the last few weeks, I see there are many fake reviews on the website. Many true, but many fake also. What's a lot worse though is that it looks like they only publish good reviews. I've submitted a handful reviews, half good, half not so good. Only the good were published.

After some time on the site you can spot the reviews that are not genuine, many times by looking at the reviewer's name clicking on them and seeing if they only review one agent's girls.

And when you talk about talent, please see the below Link in the first set of photos in the first review. I'm sorry but there's nothing in Nana plaza that approaches this.

https://fiwfans.vip/sideline/406rae4tal4p1n2pc

[Goatscrot]

I'm not sure. I only signed up for Telegram to use fiwfans, so I don't know how to use it well yet, but the one group I have joined (an agency group) does not seem to have much reviews. It has daily updates of who is working every day, and the occasional question, but I have not seen any reviews there I think.

Also, after using fiwfans for the last few weeks, I see there are many fake reviews on the website. Many true, but many fake also. What's a lot worse though is that it looks like they only publish good reviews. I've submitted a handful reviews, half good, half not so good. Only the good were published.

Most of the agents list their telegram on the gal's pages. Fiwfans also has their own telegram page which includes quite a few reviews.

Honestly, learning how to navigate this is taking a lot of time and patience, and I don't mind sharing some knowledge with people, but honestly, I kind of expect some good information in return. Learning which agents are good, which ones keep performance standards for their girls, which ones are really farang friendly, and which ones aren't, is a long slow process.

[Goatscrot]

Actually it doesn't cap out at 2500. There are some that cost 20,000+ per hour. Why? I really have no idea, except the ones I looked at seem to all have in their info that they're ok about smoking and drinking.

I think there's like one girl that's 20 k, and maybe a couple who are over five, but the vast majority for a 90-minute two-shot session are somewhere between 1800 and 2500. The top looking girls, I. E models are pretty, can be 2,500 to 3500 for an hour, which is still way less than you are paying for an average looking go go girl. But again, weeding through the chaff takes a lot of time.

[Goatscrot]

I'm not sure. I only signed up for Telegram to use fiwfans, so I don't know how to use it well yet, but the one group I have joined (an agency group) does not seem to have much reviews. It has daily updates of who is working every day, and the occasional question, but I have not seen any reviews there I think.

Also, after using fiwfans for the last few weeks, I see there are many fake reviews on the website. Many true, but many fake also. What's a lot worse though is that it looks like they only publish good reviews. I've submitted a handful reviews, half good, half not so good. Only the good were published.

Well, when it comes to only "good" reviews you have to learn how to read between the lines. If a gal doesn't get 310's, then there is definitely something lacking. When you see a nine you can really read a seven or maybe even a six. There is a reason for that, and that reason is the agents read these reviews and if you are continually posting bad reviews then you will definitely get blacklisted by some of these agents. A better way of handling a bad experience is to deal with it directly with the agent who you booked through.

[GuyBrusg1957]

Actually it doesn't cap out at 2500. There are some that cost 20,000+ per hour. Why? I really have no idea, except the ones I looked at seem to all have in their info that they're ok about smoking and drinking.

The majority are 2000 baht.