Bangkok Reports

[Interstella]

I've been in Nana Plaza 3 of the last 4 nights, each time briefly walking into Wonderland and each time pulling a genetic girl from a different bar. While in Wonderland, I saw about 80% who were clearly post-op ladyboys and 20% who were possibly genetic females. I'll be in Nana Plaza again tonight and we can meet for a brief visit to Wonderland. I'll show you who and why I think are ladyboys and you can tell me why you think they are genetic females. Thai hookers lie for a living, I won't believe them unless they decide to show their Thai ID. Send me a private message if you are interested.

This discussion reminds me of an encounter I had on Sukhumvit near Lek's Last Stand about 3 nights ago. I got chatting with a lady and wasn't sure if she was ladyboy or true lady. I asked and she said she is lady. I asked if she had pussy and she said "Yes, I bought and paid for pussy. It is mine," Never has it been clearer that post-op ladyboys consider themselves true females.

Some clues: Tall. Voice. Shoulder/hip ratio. Adams Apple. Exaggerated female motions (hip movement, hair toss). Aggressive. Arrogant. Huge fake tits.

I ran into this once myself in the Philippines. Couldn't tell through the filters on the app that this person was ladyboy, and he shows up and I'm like "nah, not interested. " This caused a huge uproar and a crying declaration that he was indeed a woman. How hard would it be to just mark transgender on the dating app and not create that huge fucking fiasco. Anyway, my solution on the dating apps was to send a very brash message of "Must look like your pictures, must be a real woman, no ladybody, must have a valid ID, or else no money. " Confrontational and direct language are not necessarily the strong suit of college aged women. So usually the response to it was just an "okay, no problem. " Instand drop off on positive vibes, and probably a little nervousness inducing on their part. I hated sending that message over and over again, but it felt necessary due to being forced to endure the delusion of another individual that one night. I can also imagine that such a situation could potentially lead to an explosive negative outcome for them with an individual who is not so understanding and level headed.

Only clue I can add: speaking in a mock voice / whisper level to hide their actual deep voice.

[HorseTrader]

There are ladyboy bars in Nana Plaza and the staff there is not shy about advertising it and discussing it, and since all the bars there are under the control of Nana Entertainment, I can't think of any reason to lie. I've been to Wonderland specifically several times in my nightly walks (every night) along Sukhumvit and specifically asked if there are any ladyboys in Wonderland. Both times I was given a clear unequivocal "no ladyboys here. Only real girls. " Further, my randy 30 year old very experienced monger buddy that lives here in Bangkok with me has pulled three girls out of Wonderland recently and has clearly confirmed they were all real girls. If anyone has any high quality evidence to the contrary then I'd sure like to hear about it. Cheers! A.

I've been in Nana Plaza 3 of the last 4 nights, each time briefly walking into Wonderland and each time pulling a genetic girl from a different bar. While in Wonderland, I saw about 80% who were clearly post-op ladyboys and 20% who were possibly genetic females. I'll be in Nana Plaza again tonight and we can meet for a brief visit to Wonderland. I'll show you who and why I think are ladyboys and you can tell me why you think they are genetic females. Thai hookers lie for a living, I won't believe them unless they decide to show their Thai ID. Send me a private message if you are interested.

This discussion reminds me of an encounter I had on Sukhumvit near Lek's Last Stand about 3 nights ago. I got chatting with a lady and wasn't sure if she was ladyboy or true lady. I asked and she said she is lady. I asked if she had pussy and she said "Yes, I bought and paid for pussy. It is mine," Never has it been clearer that post-op ladyboys consider themselves true females.

Some clues: Tall. Voice. Shoulder/hip ratio. Adams Apple. Exaggerated female motions (hip movement, hair toss). Aggressive. Arrogant. Huge fake tits.

[Jarjarmissa]

Haven't found many posts on Eastern European / Russian / Ukranian girls in this thread or the main Bangkok.

Sounds like Covid did away with most of them, but anyone with knowledge mind sharing an update? I see a few escorts on eurogirls but interested if there are SWs by Nana and Soi, or legit agencies? Yes I know they cost more, but still interested.

For russian girls you have to goto Pattaya or to be Lucky.

I made a review last April after a meeting with a russian FL at MIXX. But she was here temporarely. I will try again some club next time. But unless another one tells I am wrong, there are no eastern girls in Soi xx or Nana or else.

Maybe if you are Lucky with a tourist in Khao SR.

[EihTooms]

There are ladyboy bars in Nana Plaza and the staff there is not shy about advertising it and discussing it, and since all the bars there are under the control of Nana Entertainment, I can't think of any reason to lie. I've been to Wonderland specifically several times in my nightly walks (every night) along Sukhumvit and specifically asked if there are any ladyboys in Wonderland. Both times I was given a clear unequivocal "no ladyboys here. Only real girls. " Further, my randy 30 year old very experienced monger buddy that lives here in Bangkok with me has pulled three girls out of Wonderland recently and has clearly confirmed they were all real girls. If anyone has any high quality evidence to the contrary then I'd sure like to hear about it. Cheers! A.

Interesting that when I asked politely and with a smile I was bruskly shooed away, waved off, my question ignored.

Of course, I can only go by the way it looked to my eyes without any up close and personal contact. So I could be proven wrong.

I would say for Thai girls the staff was notably taller, more big boned with whiter skin, more surgically-perfected facial features and much more "glamorous" in terms of hair and make-up than any group of Thai girls I have seen in any other bar. So they definitely had a more upscale "special" look going for them. Odd then that I have rarely seen more than a couple of customers sitting in Wonderland gogo bar any time I have passed by.

Now, I have seen ladyboy bars where there were several quite realistic looking ladyboys and even hot looking ones where I could definitely believe a newby to the scene who had more than a few brews in him could accept one as a natural born female without suspecting otherwise. Straps a few years back, the only time I went in there with a curious GF, being one of them. And I am not saying that describes the situation with you or your friend at all. In fact, I am sure it does not.

I am just saying as far as some ladyboys in openly admitted ladyboy bars really coming close to fooling me into accepting them as beautiful "females" goes, I have seen some too. But Wonderland did not come across to me as one of them.

It should be mentioned along the way, pertinent to Wonderland or not, that many post-op ladyboys do consider themselves fully female, will describe themselves as female and insist on it to whoever asks all the way down the line. Short of a spot DNA or Chromosome check or perhaps a verifiably accurate government issued Identification Card, there is little anyone just meeting them can do to prove otherwise except go by their appearance, voice, demeanor and so on. Assuming their surgically-constructed vagina is fairly close to what her / his partner has encountered with previous real female partners, that is.

[Aimless]

Really, if you can elevate your game to these university dorm girls. But first you got to get past the gatekeeper to be able live with girls in their dorm. What I do is sign up for English classes. Pretend I don't understand the language. Me speaky no gud Engrish. Then I draw the attention to me by being the best student in the class and ready to tutor some of these girls. Even do their homework for them which is a breeze for me. They happy. Me happy. We fuck. Most are ready and available for that SD / SB life if you are a decent looking distinguished gentleman like myself. But the annoying thing is these girls aren't as clean as the pros. They don't want to shower before and after the deed.

Immature brats! LOL.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6OZaPY...BqYW1lcw%3D%3D

How you like that boom boom pow?

In the words of Wile E Coyote: "Genius! Super Genius!" I might have to give this a try.

[Aimless]

Firstly, thanks EihTooms for your answer. Also wanted to give a shout out to HorseTrader, CCRider, and Aimless for their thoughts and input as well. I need to get my membership upgraded so I can ask questions directly if needed, and I also hope to contribute to this forum when possible. Maybe after I've been to BKK ten times or so over the years I can offer more actionable advice, until then it's just opinions and experiences.

Onto my short field report. Someone mentioned Stockings Massage here recently, and it sounded like it was worth a shot. The website, the one youtube video I could find, and the reviews on the web all seem to be favorable. My experience was lackluster, but here we go. I waltzed in up the stairs around 1 PM local time to reception where I was greeted with a price sheet. I was in the mood to just kinda get in and get out, so I chose the cheapest option which was 2100 baht for 40 minutes. This might have been my first mistake. Probably should have just payed a bit extra for the 60 minutes option, and not come off as a cheap charlie right out of the gate. I'm led up some more stairs and sit on a couch for the "lineup. " I can hear the mamasan waking up / summoning some women, and I hear two distinctive utterances, and low and behold only two women saunter up the stairs. Maybe coming early was my second mistake. Here's the good news, one was a strong 6, and the other was a strong 7, both very cute with good bodies. I chose the hotter one who had zero smile on her face, as opposed to her cute friend that was desperately smiling, and asking with her eyer "please pick me. " I suppose that was my third mistake. Anyway we go into the room and shower, and I realize she's not going to even put stockings on! I'm a go with the flow kinda guy, I just ran out of giving a shit about this sort of thing years ago. She's a 7, we're naked, just go with it. She had medium dark skin, perfect be's, maybe 100 pounds, a touch over five feet, and just a looker overall. The service was pretty basic and mechanical, no kissing, and she was so gracious (yawn) to let me touch her pussy, but of course, no fingering. She does the whole basic nuru with oil bit to get me hard, with not even a hint of offering to give a BJ, at this point this sessions has a crappy vibe, so I don't even ask. I pump away, rip off the hat, and she finishes me off with a great handy. So, uh, yeah that sucked, but hell it cost less than a dash order in the states so whatever. Seems to be a theme on my trips where it either starts off great, then a lull, then great again. Or starts off a bit shitty and builds up to a hell of a time, of which I am experiencing the latter. I think this one is on me and will give it another shot.

Thanks for this detailed report Interstella. I always wondered what goes on in those places and appreciate the tips. I've got zero experience with this so this advice will need correction by the resident experts here, but along Soi 24 (or the next soi?) not far from the BTS line, there is a little side alley with lots of reasonably cute young girls sitting outside under bright lights for your viewing pleasure at several different shops. The mamasans will greet you with a price list that seemed about the price range you stated. You just pick one (or more) and then go inside and do the deed. When I walk that area, I like the wide variety of choices, the bright lights and the ability to see that "pick me" attitude which sure seems like it would make or break the experience. Cheers! A.

[Axel Heyst]

There are ladyboy bars in Nana Plaza and the staff there is not shy about advertising it and discussing it, and since all the bars there are under the control of Nana Entertainment, I can't think of any reason to lie. I've been to Wonderland specifically several times in my nightly walks (every night) along Sukhumvit and specifically asked if there are any ladyboys in Wonderland. Both times I was given a clear unequivocal "no ladyboys here. Only real girls. "

Hey mate, the reason they tell you "no ladyboys here. Only real girls. " is because Wonderland is a post op ladyboy go go.

[Werqweq]

Really, if you can elevate your game to these university dorm girls. But first you got to get past the gatekeeper to be able live with girls in their dorm. What I do is sign up for English classes. Pretend I don't understand the language. Me speaky no gud Engrish. Then I draw the attention to me by being the best student in the class and ready to tutor some of these girls. Even do their homework for them which is a breeze for me. They happy. Me happy. We fuck. Most are ready and available for that SD / SB life if you are a decent looking distinguished gentleman like myself. But the annoying thing is these girls aren't as clean as the pros. They don't want to shower before and after the deed.

Immature brats! LOL.

Like Joey, the italian prince: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTQCbds8hsc.

[Aimless]

I get the loss of sensation with age and that causing an issue with condoms. What I don't get is the need to cream pie.

Some of us like that pot of gold at the end of the rainbow as finishing the deed with that grand finale is the reward for a job well done, esp without a partyhat. So I feel the need as well and haven't used a condom in decades (but I'm a poser and not a real monger). If you don't mind repeating with a temporary "GF" that you're spending time with (as opposed to pulling 3 different girls every day), you can always go to a doc and get both tested for the usual suspects. If she's a pro and been getting busy with other guys doing BBFS then chances are she will test positive for something if she's not doing the weekly test routine. This is my recipe in the Phils with part-timers and non-pros, and then we both rest easy knowing that we're probably ok with BBFSCIP. And CIP or not doesn't change the risk of anything including pregnancy. My favorite "joke" is "Know what they call people that practice 'poke and pull'"? "No, what?" "Parents! LOL". Just keep in mind that the risk remains for HSV and HPV (even with a condom) but those won't unalive you unless you DATY, but that's a whole 'nother story. Cheers, A.

[Aimless]

Just remember one thing. What they tell you about you being their first customer and bra bra bra. It's all fake. The girl I posted about on Soi 7 told me the same thing. # weeks in the business and I was her first customer. Bla blah blah. She performed like a pro. It was obvious she has worked before.

If you're talking about girls in Thailand, I have zero expectations of finding an untouched girl here. I just would like one that isn't taken for a ride several times per night, every night, by other mongers. Its a mental thing with me since I can't compartmentalize as well as the rest of you guys. If you're refering to my experiences in the Phils, after dating over 100 girls there over the past 25 years (and living there) and having many (not all) in my bed, I've only paid two and they didn't claim to be untouched. All the others just wanted a BF and are smitten by westerners (very common there). And as a doc, I can clinically confirm that the ones (only a few) that told me they were untouched, were, including blood on the sheets. I no longer like that responsibility so I avoid them and they're usually quite boring. While I'm at it, I keep going to Soi 7 looking for a girl that meets my expecations looks-wise. I've seen maybe one in my nightly walks (every night) but everyone says I'm too picky. However, I must say, for really picky mongers like me, Nana Plaza really takes the cake. I've only spent serious time in Billboards and Red Dragon, but have come to realize if you want a body that can easily make it in a mens mag like PB or Pent, then Nana is your place. In the bars I've been to, I would say probably 75% of the girls have a body that is a 8/9/10 and 20% of the girls have faces that (to picky me) are 7/8/9 (out of 10). I haven't seen any other venue that comes close, but I have not been to any of the high end GClubs (I'm too cheap for now) where you guys say the hottest ones are, and certainly not Soi Cowboy (a dog show in my opinion, except for the occasional cutie), although Crazy House has a few lookers as I stated in a past report. Just my opinions. Cheers, A.

[Aimless]

Wonderland gogo bar is the second bar on the left at the top of the escalator, right after Random 2, not on the other side of Nana Plaza at the top of the stairs.

I looked in at Wonderland gogo bar again a couple of nights ago. I honestly did not see one person in there who was not to my eyes rather obviously a ladyboy. That includes the door "girls", servers, mamasan, janitor, bartender, whoever. Maybe there was a natural born female or two way in the back of the bar that I could not see from the entrance. And when I asked at the door if these were all ladyboys I was bruskly shooed away by what might have been a mamasan, also a ladyboy, as though I had uttered some damaging bit of top secret intel. Whatever that was about.

There are ladyboy bars in Nana Plaza and the staff there is not shy about advertising it and discussing it, and since all the bars there are under the control of Nana Entertainment, I can't think of any reason to lie. I've been to Wonderland specifically several times in my nightly walks (every night) along Sukhumvit and specifically asked if there are any ladyboys in Wonderland. Both times I was given a clear unequivocal "no ladyboys here. Only real girls. " Further, my randy 30 year old very experienced monger buddy that lives here in Bangkok with me has pulled three girls out of Wonderland recently and has clearly confirmed they were all real girls. If anyone has any high quality evidence to the contrary then I'd sure like to hear about it. Cheers! A.

[JjBee62]

Thanks for the confirmation of Stockings Massage. Having not frequented a lot of massage places in my trips to Thailand I've been researching but didn't get a good feeling about the place looking at their website. It's human nature to tend toward the hotter of two choices, but for me I will take the smiling 6 any day over the pussy faced 7 or above. Nothing worse than mechanical go through the motions service. But like you said cheaper than door dash in USA. Got to love Thailand. If you run across really good massage shops please post. My trip in 4 weeks. Cheers.

Many of the massage places list stockings as an option for an additional fee.

[SamFromUS]

Haven't found many posts on Eastern European / Russian / Ukranian girls in this thread or the main Bangkok.

Sounds like Covid did away with most of them, but anyone with knowledge mind sharing an update? I see a few escorts on eurogirls but interested if there are SWs by Nana and Soi, or legit agencies? Yes I know they cost more, but still interested.

[EihTooms]

I mostly never ever talk about this with the girls I meet in bars. It just naturally happens. I only bring it up on Thai Friendly and it always comes with an offer that most times is not refused.

My recommendation was based on the assumption the OP was simply approaching a Freelancer on the street, in Thermae or after buying a bargirl a drink or two at the most. Essentially, getting to the critical question with as little confusion, muss, fuss, investment of time and money as possible.

I would say the method you have described employing to achieve a willing BBFSCIP lady for the night involves quite a few more elements that surely ought to "speak for themselves" in terms of settling the question of BBFSCIP Or Not in a way that I would also think wouldn't or shouldn't require asking the direct question upfront very often; settling into a particular bar and partying for extended periods of time, tips all around, scoping out which girl tells your "spidy sense" that she will very likely be amenable to having BBFSCIP with you anyway, many ladydrink purchases, therefore a logical conclusion that she is going to be quite drunk in the room and so on.

Isn't that pretty much how it goes and progresses? Forgive me if I have misstated it.

And, sure, the exact wording of the question or request wouldn't matter very much on a ThaiFriendly contact if the baht amount on offer was significant enough for her to enthusiastically jump in to smooth out any grammar or translation clumsiness that might exist, if any.

[EihTooms]

If this is the first bar at the top of the stairs on your left 1 up from the ground level, then it is full of post op lady boys. It has been for years. The problem is they mix a few real girls in and it confuses some tourists. I always stay clear of that place. A client of mine got into a huge issue in there because he felt he was mislead by his girl. He actually refused to pay her in the hotel and we had to intervene.

Wonderland gogo bar is the second bar on the left at the top of the escalator, right after Random 2, not on the other side of Nana Plaza at the top of the stairs.

I looked in at Wonderland gogo bar again a couple of nights ago. I honestly did not see one person in there who was not to my eyes rather obviously a ladyboy. That includes the door "girls", servers, mamasan, janitor, bartender, whoever. Maybe there was a natural born female or two way in the back of the bar that I could not see from the entrance. And when I asked at the door if these were all ladyboys I was bruskly shooed away by what might have been a mamasan, also a ladyboy, as though I had uttered some damaging bit of top secret intel. Whatever that was about.