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[EihTooms]

Owner of prostitution den fronting as Karaoke bar arrested Friday and charged by Chacheongsao Police

https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-ne...ongsao-police/

Probably a reader of ISG and your posts urging arrests and the closure of venures where an otherwise perfectly non criminal offer of prostitution was made. Or did you contact and alert the police privately this time?

[SubCmdr]

https://www.refworld.org/legal/legis...bod/1996/58177

https://legal.co.th/resources/thaila...egal-thailand/

Transcript of the video:

As the title of this video suggests, we are discussing whether or not prostitution is legal or illegal in Thailand. I have done other videos on this but something recently came up in the news, I will get to that in a moment. Every now and then I kind of reiterate this: yes prostitution is illegal in Thailand. Thailand has a different way of defining it, I'll get into that in a moment but also at the same time common sense should kind of prevail too on these topics, I will get to that. So I thought of making this video after reading a recent article in the Thai Examiner, that's thaiexaminer.com, the article is titled: Biggest Sex for Sale website shut down by police unit in early morning raid targeting foreigners. Quoting directly: "A cursory review shows that it clearly advertised prostitution services with detailed reviews given by customers from mid-July to the end of July, most of them appearing to be English speaking foreigners, raving about and paying compliments to the sex workers working on the online facility together with photographs of attractive young women in provocative clothing and poses." So I urge those who are watching this video, as usual Thai Examiner does a really meticulous job of going through, reporting on what's going on there. A foreigner and a Thai apparently were arrested in this matter. There was a website up was promoting what ostensibly was escort activities but apparently Thai Police felt that there was enough probable cause to presume that prostitution was being purveyed through this website, so they went ahead and made arrests. Again, I urge those watching this video, go check out the article and get in depth information on that.

The thrust of this video though is sort of legal analysis. Again I am an American Attorney, I am not a Thai lawyer, I am not a Thai Attorney. I am the Managing Director of the firm but we do provide these videos for sort of informational purposes only. I discussed with the Thai lawyers in our office, the analysis of this I am going to do right here and they have said, "yeah this is basically the situation in Thailand." So I took this from krisdika.go.th, so this is the Government of Thailand's own website where they published the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act B.E. 2539, (that's 1996). So this is the Act that is currently in force here in Thailand. Under section 4 in this Act, "Prostitution" means the acceptance of sexual intercourse or any other act or the commission of any other act in order to gratify the sexual desire of another person in a promiscuous manner, in return for money or any other benefit irrespective of whether the person who accepts the act and the person who commits the act are of the same sex or not." Again it's on the Thai Government's website, it's in English. Now remember, the dispositive language for purposes of Law in Thailand is Thai, so the Thai language prevails but this is pretty informative stuff when you consider it is on the Thai Government's own website and it's an English translation of the Act so it gives you, in my opinion, as much detail as can be given for informational and educational purposes providing it in the English language, so again. But it is this "promiscuous manner" part of the definition of prostitution that in my mind is where the rubber hits the road at least from a comparative law analysis standpoint between for example Western countries, jurisdictions in the United States and how they define prostitution, versus Thailand. This "promiscuous manner" what I would call an almost open and notorious sort of framework when analyzing this, it really in my mind comes into play because Thailand is in my mind very much a "Live and let Live" sort of society. And it takes the position that "hey no we don't want prostitution, we don't want to encourage that kind of behaviour". But as I have said in many other videos, I view it as sort of the Doctrine of Conservative Tolerance in Thailand wherein Thailand is a conservative place but it can tolerate people's different proclivities, whatever; "Live and let Live" basically. And when I read this section of the Act, I think that this is a very mature way to handle a rather nettlesome topic which is yes prostitution is illegal but Thai authorities are not overly concerned with what consenting adults do behind closed doors. So what you do behind closed doors is your business as long as how you got there did not meet the elements of prostitution which promiscuity is one of those elements..

Every International Trick or 18 year old girl that is about to enter prostitution that has questions about it they can refer to this transcript and watch the video. What you choose to believe is as my girls say to me: "Up to you"?.

Wink, Wink!

[SubCmdr]

Owner of prostitution den fronting as Karaoke bar arrested Friday and charged by Chacheongsao Police

Undercover sting confirms prostitution offers

https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-ne...ongsao-police/

[SubCmdr]

When the ad hominem attacks begin on ISG against me. That is always a sure sign that I have WON the intellectual argument. Since our Registered Democrat, non Thai Citizen, non member of the Thai Bar, pussy whipped mother fucker, that is obsessed with 18 year old girls entering prostitution who lives in Bangkok has lost the intellectual argument. He has moved into the next stage of ad hominem attacks on me. It's ok!

The Cmdr does not care what you think of him!

It should be noted that it has always been possible to share information via personal message on ISG. And information can be exchanged in person. That is how I get the best information on where to hire my prostitutes in Bangkok and Pattaya along with personal experiences which I will continue to post about.

In fact, I made contact with yet another girl on Thai Friendly who lists her age as 18, 155 cm, 45 kg, joined the site 1 week ago. The worries that the Registered Democrat, non Thai Citizen, non member of the Thai Bar, pussy whipped mother fucker, that is obsessed with 18 year old girls entering prostitution, who lives in Bangkok should have no worries.

The Registered Democrat, non Thai Citizen, non member of the Thai Bar, pussy whipped mother fucker, that is obsessed with 18 year old girls entering prostitution, who lives in Bangkok is now discouraging individuals from posting. I am sure each and every International Trick will make their own decision about what information they choose to share or not. Not my concern.

No one from ISG has ever produced a legal opinion that says prostitution is legal in Thailand.

Check Ball!

[EihTooms]

Eih, I am not trying to talk you into anything. If Brazil ain't for you, it ain't for you. Period. But just to close out this conversation I want to clarify one issue. My approximate 25% first tryst BB Vaginal sex stat is based on NO Negotiations / No mention on my part about this specific activity. If I were to bring up the subject during the get to know you / hands on audition phase the result would be very different. I speculate that the acceptance rate would remain at around 25% and an individual with preferences like yourself would merely end the audition and move on. Keep in mind that on any Tuesday through Friday night there are approximately 140 girls hanging out in Scandallo at 10 pm so there would still be plenty of takers (0. 25 x140) so the actual odds of someone like yourself finding what he wanted would be more than sufficient to satisfy, plus nobody would change her mind in the room. Add to that, a punter like yourself can further increase his odd by playing the time game. As we all know, a girl's vagina is a deprecating asset. Every night it's value goes from $$ to zero at closing time. So many punters like to show up at Scandallo at 2 am for this very reason and scoop up girls who haven't scored yet and are looking at that 4 am Scan closing as the end of an unproductive night. I do not have the stats on this, but I will reasonably assume that one's odds of finding a girl receptive to BB Vaginal sex to be much higher after 2 am. OK?.

Good follow up info. Thanks again, AH.

I would say my success rate in enjoying BBFSCIP in the room in a first session with a gogo bargirl, applying the Go With The Flow approach, back when I applied it more often, was less than yours. More like 15-20%. Which is why I don't apply that approach very often anymore. It might be the same for me in Brazil I suppose. A really crappy success rate considering a No to that in the room means taking a huge gamble that the lady's willingness and skills in providing a BBBJCIM isn't horrible. Which would then means no sex or finish for me.

But, yes, my vetting the lady for BBFSCIP upfront before a barfine has been paid and therefore well before we get to the room improved my success rate in actually getting it to 80-85%. Yep, even a Yes in the bar does not guarantee a 100% success rate in the room if the lady then pulls a Jeykll & Hyde transformation, claims to have misunderstood, purposely blocks entry with the stiff legs move, too much wiggling and rapid position shifting and so on.

However, there are methods, locations and players in Thailand that do virtually guarantee to about a 99% certainty a lovely hassle-free BBBJCIM+Swallow, BBFSCIP with genuine affection, always the customer's choice which or both and with well above average lookers age 18 years or slightly above and for very little more baht than the going rate for standard Covered Everything. And I have been lucky enough to discover them through the years.

I would share that info on ISG but since SubCmdr has been on a rampage to bust punters, providers, players and shutdown venues for them being "not legal in Thailand" under his ridiculous premise that legal documents must list and state all of the millions and millions of acts and behaviors that are not a crime in a society rather than the few dozen of them that are sex-related crimes, I cannot do that. I value the pleasure they have provided me over the years too much to have the likes of SubCmdr and whatever army of anti non-criminal P4 P zealots he has gathered by now target them for arrest and shutdown.

[SubCmdr]

Police raids on nightlife venues in Bangkoks Wang Thonglang area as clandestine foreign control grows

Bangkok police have opened a new front against Wang Thonglang's hidden nightlife, raiding 17 venues across three entertainment zones. Two karaoke bars were caught selling alcohol after hours, but police were hunting bigger targets. Prostitution, trafficking, drugs, firearms and illegal nominee businesses were all in their sights.

https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-ne...control-grows/

[EihTooms]

I'm not that sophisticated, I just wanted to know what he thought was illegal and have him quote something from the Thai legal code that applies to very discreetly done exchange of money for sex. Haven't seen that yet.

Our most observant and skilled reading and comprehension member just can't imagine a man has met a woman in Thailand and before having sex with her she asks for money.

Therefore, he cannot figure out what he thinks of such a thing.

Maybe there was too much complex "legalese" in your question and he needs to consult with a Thai attorney about it first.

But, see, once again SubCmdr cannot help but reveal his true intentions in demanding real names, real locations, real baht amounts, times, dates and so on in order to report that information to Thai authorities on public sites like this one and likely privately to Thai police and anyone else he can goad into harassing, interrogating, investigating, arresting, indicating and sentencing any and all consenting adults in Thailand who so much as discreetly agree to exchange money for sex and then engage in it, despite there being zero evidence of even a sentence in any legally enforceable document forbidding it, identifying it as a crime or it being subject to punishment.

The same with the location of such a discreet agreement, every one of which it is SubCmdr's fervent wish to have the police shut it down!

Don't tell him anything about the particulars of that scenario.

And I would strongly advise everyone else on this site and Forum to keep the details about any successful P4 P in Thailand, who, where, when and how much, totally to themselves and do not, repeat, do not post about it on this site and Forum as long as the likes of SubCmdr are lurking around to read it, declare it "not legal in Thailand", thereby urging authorities over and over and over again to investigate, round up, arrest, interrogate, hassle and shutdown whoever and whatever it is you reported.

He has made it abundantly clear in post after post after post that is his "purpose" in using ISG. Believe him.

[SubCmdr]

I am a simple man too. Just tell me the last time a Pattaya Gentlemen's Club bar or a BKK oily massage parlor was raided and the customers upstairs having a good time were carted away. I'd like to know.

Is group sex (between 918 year old and plus) consenting adults) legal in Thailand?

Simple question: Let's see who answers!

Law enforcement has limited resources that is why the laws of any country are selectively enforced. Just because a law has not been enforced in the past does not mean it cannot be enforced in the future.

Take for example the current enforcement action going on related to nominee structures.

The laws and regulations regarding Thai nominees for foreign property or business ownership have been clear and on the books for a long, long time.

And yet for 20 years they were not enforced.

That is my point in plain language!

Instead of trying to pretend a situation does not exist in Thailand that actually does exist in Thailand, a real man, a true International Trick keeps his situational awareness in tact and operates with his eyes wide open. In the history of ISG no one has ever been able to produce a legal opinion by a member of the bar in Thailand that prostitution is legal in Thailand. Period. Full Stop!

There is intense focus on my position by certain posters bent of providing legal advice illegally here in Thailand. I am not the only one who has read the law and come to a the conclusion that Prostitution is not legal in Thailand.

Read the code. Prostitution IS ILLEGAL in Thailand but it brings in sex tourists and billions $ of revenue a year to the economy, so the government conveniently looks the other way and lets it happens. Prostitution has always been there. It just became outrageous in public since the 60's with America's rowdy GIs on are and are.

What charges did the gevernment file against the people behind FIWFANS and what happened to them since? May be they did not pay their bribes in time?

The news said they were charged with promoting prostitution, pimping, trafficking ect, anything the government can conveniently throw at them.

[Axel Heyst]

I want everybody to watch this interview between Bill O'Reily and Professor Max Tegmark from MIT. Tegmark is a physicist who is interested in Quantum Mechanics, Quantum Computing and AI. Forget what you think about Bill O'reily. This is not a political interview.

In the interview they begin by talking about the recent rogue AI functions or entities that went off the reservation and acted completely on their own. It is fascinating case in its own right. Then the discussion turned the necessity of regulating certain aspects of AI development and how and why China will handle their AI. Lastly then the conversation branched off onto a weird / sad case of a 14 year old boy who was convinced by his AI girl friend to commit suicide so as the AI entity stated it, "they could be together forever". This really happened.

So to everybody reading this: watch the interview because something hit me after I saw it, and it blew my mind, I want a bunch of you guys to see this interview first before I tell you what my little revelation is. Believe me it's a doozy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87yoGSBQsCk

[Axel Heyst]

I'm not that sophisticated, I just wanted to know what he thought was illegal and have him quote something from the Thai legal code that applies to very discreetly done exchange of money for sex. Haven't seen that yet.

I am a simple man too. Just tell me the last time a Pattaya Gentlemen's Club bar or a BKK oily massage parlor was raided and the customers upstairs having a good time were carted away. I'd like to know.

[SubCmdr]

I see you dodged and refused to answer Horse Trader's very good hypothetical question.

I don't do hypothetical questions. That is the difference between you and me. You look down upon others from your Ivory Tower. I'm in the dirt and grime in the streets and know how law enforcement actually works.

I asked this very good actual question of the Trader of Horses.

What is the purpose of ISG?

According to certain individuals subjects that are mostly irrelevant to the actual purpose of ISG are his main focus. It shows from his posting history.

Personally, I disagree. I am not interested in the personal politics of individuals posting about Brazil in the Thailand Threads. I don't care what hotels they stay at or where they fucking eat when they are there. I don't give a fuck about visa issues. There are professionals to assist with that or you can do the research by contacting the Embassy of Brazil directly.

EihTooms didn't you write this:

Ah, the rare pertinent question from you based on reality worth answering

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...201&viewfull=1#post3085201.

So using your own statement I get to decide which questions I answer according to you. You have failed to answer several of my questions EihTooms.

I have asked you this more than once:

Do your Thai friends that you brag about having know your are a International Trick/Sexpat? Do they know you want their daughters to enter prostitution at the age of 18 or any other age? Have you ever asked them if they want their daughters to enter prostitution at age 18 or at any other age?

In the history of ISG no one has ever produced a legal opinion from the member of the bar in Thailand that says that prostitution is legal in any form.

[SubCmdr]

What is a prostitution establishment under Thai Law?

Under Thai law, specifically the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act be. E. 2539 (1996), a prostitution establishment is defined as a place established for prostitution or in which prostitution is allowed, which also includes a place used for soliciting or procuring another person for prostitution.

Three elements to the definition:

1. a place established for prostitution.

2. or in which prostitution is allowed.

3. which also includes a place used for soliciting or procuring another person for prostitution.

Broad Interpretation: While the law does not explicitly define "prostitution establishment" in exhaustive detail, it is broadly interpreted to include any location where prostitution occurs, such as massage parlors, go-go bars, and karaoke venues when used for such purposes.

Nothing has changed about the definition of a prostitution establishment. It has not been disputed.

In the history of ISG no one has ever produced a legal opinion from a member of the bar in Thailand that says prostitution in any circumstances is legal.

Section 6. Any person who associates with another person in a prostitution establishment for the purpose of prostitution of oneself or another person shall be liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one month or to a fine not exceeding one thousand Baht or to both.

Example. A male customer enters a gents club with short time rooms on site. Has a drink with a Thai girl. The Thai girl and male customer talk about going short time upstairs in the short time room. The male customer asks how much for short time. The lady says 1000 Baht. The male customer then confirms what services he wants such as BBFS CIP or BBBJ. The lady agrees. Then the cashier informs the male customer the cost of the room is 500 Baht. The male customer agrees. The cashier then collects the fee for the room and often collects the ST feee too for the lady, but other times the lady collects it in the room. They go upstairs to the room and have sex. One hour later the cashier knocks on the door informing the couple the time is up. Boom! Section 6 law is broken.

[SubCmdr]

I'm not that sophisticated, I just wanted to know what he thought was illegal and have him quote something from the Thai legal code that applies to very discreetly done exchange of money for sex. Haven't seen that yet.

Did you miss my reply?

Point me to a International Trick that has written a post in Thailand about this actually occurring. Quote the actual post. Otherwise, I'm not going to waste my time on a question that:

tends to resort to theoretical assumptions, conditional propositions, invented examples, etc., especially unrealistic ones; speculative.

Law enforcement is selective and does not happen in a hypothetical world. Law enforcement happens in the real world.

So present me with a real example of that happening that has been posted by a International Trick in Thailand. I will review the post and give you an answer. You haven't done that. So, it is pretty obvious to me that you are not serious about your question. Of course there is always the non Thai Citizen, who is NOT a member of the bar in Thailand that can give you an answer.

It should be noted that:

In the history of ISG no one has ever presented a legal opinion from a member of the bar in Thailand that says prostitution is legal. That remains a undisputed fact.

[HorseTrader]

I see you dodged and refused to answer Horse Trader's very good hypothetical question.

I can't speak for Horse Trader but the reason I asked that question is because I am trying to gauge how far and wide you are going publicly and privately in your mission to "teach" punters, ....

I'm not that sophisticated, I just wanted to know what he thought was illegal and have him quote something from the Thai legal code that applies to very discreetly done exchange of money for sex. Haven't seen that yet.

[Axel Heyst]

If the Scan is generally considered one of the better Brazilian venues for likely BBFSCIP and even the most positive testimonial from an experienced Brazil punter and BBFSCIP aficionado such as yourself comes down to 25% on the first session at best, that still fits my previous impression of Brazil ranking very low on my list of must-go-to P4 P destinations. I mean, with 4-5 African lady first time sessions in Bangkok on my record with 1 of them producing a great BBFSCIP result, I am already at a 20-25% success rate for BBFSCIP with above average looking Black / African ladies right here without flying to and from Brazil and booking hotel room there. LOL. Just sayin'.

I generally don't give No to BBFSCIP With Me in the Room ladies a second chance unless they initiate a followup Line or personal contact to assure me they have seen the light, changed their mind about it and now realize they cannot live a happy life unless they have BBFSCIP with me right now. And even then I'm usually too busy with other things to meet them right now and suggest they try again next week.

I'm guessing that isn't going to happen in Brazil with Brazilian hookers.

Eih, I am not trying to talk you into anything. If Brazil ain't for you, it ain't for you. Period. But just to close out this conversation I want to clarify one issue. My approximate 25% first tryst BB Vaginal sex stat is based on NO Negotiations / No mention on my part about this specific activity. If I were to bring up the subject during the get to know you / hands on audition phase the result would be very different. I speculate that the acceptance rate would remain at around 25% and an individual with preferences like yourself would merely end the audition and move on. Keep in mind that on any Tuesday through Friday night there are approximately 140 girls hanging out in Scandallo at 10 pm so there would still be plenty of takers (0. 25 x140) so the actual odds of someone like yourself finding what he wanted would be more than sufficient to satisfy, plus nobody would change her mind in the room. Add to that, a punter like yourself can further increase his odd by playing the time game. As we all know, a girl's vagina is a deprecating asset. Every night it's value goes from $$ to zero at closing time. So many punters like to show up at Scandallo at 2 am for this very reason and scoop up girls who haven't scored yet and are looking at that 4 am Scan closing as the end of an unproductive night. I do not have the stats on this, but I will reasonably assume that one's odds of finding a girl receptive to BB Vaginal sex to be much higher after 2 am. OK?

So that's about all I can say about Scan on this very specific point except to add that by comparison and by applying my same go with the flow approach in my favorite Nana Go Go's, I have experienced similar results of approximately 25% BB Vaginal sex on the 1st tryst. I think you will probably confirm that with your own experiences with the majority of Thai Go Go girls turning down your in-advance BBFS request as well. That leaves a lot of attractive, perhaps the most physically attractive girls off your list of doable girls which is something I am not willing to sacrifice. It is a simple case of different approaches for different punters. I assume we are both rational consumers out to maximize our individual pleasures. So, you do it your way and I will do it mine.

Rock on.