Medellin Reports

[SJobs]

Another thing that I observe from your experience is overpaying doesn't gain you long term benefit.

I totally agree. I guess depending on the cultural and educational background people have different perception on generosity. Some will see it as weakness, others will see it as kindness. I admit, overpaying doesn't always translate into long term benefit.

[SJobs]

Who knows. When I was there I drank right in front of the cop and did not ask. And everyone else was doing the same thing. When I say everyone else there were literally like 50 people walking around with drinks so who knows. This was a Sat night.

I was in Lleras for the last three nights, I walked around with a bottle of beer in the park all night. I always stay close to the cops, for safety concerns. I did not experience any issues at all.

[SJobs]

I must admit, watching her slowly breakdown as she realized the gravity of her mistake felt better than sex with her ever did.

Nicely done!

This girl is a gusto regular, so am I. From the door-man to the bartenders to the taxi drivers to the girls, we all on first name basis. It will be awkward next time we see each other in gusto, but what the hell, like mr. Mojo Bandit pointed out, there are plenty of fish in the sea.

[SJobs]

The Beetles said it best. Remember, all that money is doing is renting you some pussy. Don't fool yourself that because you are paying X amount that you are getting more than me and Surf and PN and Wolf with our 30K downtown SWs!

I guess I have to give centro a few more try to find out if the fb, tinder or gusto pussy is superior or not. I was in centro yesterday afternoon, around 5:30 pm, I walked around Museo the Antioquia, Carrera 52 a and tejelo, and calle 53 and Av. De Greriff. This is my second day time trip there. I did not pick any girls, it's slightly challenging with zero Spanish skills, but I plan to give it a try next time. During the day I felt completely safe. Out of the 100+ girls I have seen there (I walked for 1. 5 hours) I found 3 to 4 girls doable, 1 or 2 very doable, and there are 1 or 2 girls who is super hot. So I guess on average, 1 out of 10 girls is fuckable. There is nothing wrong with that, and I love the downtown atmosphere. The only thing I don't like is that the other 90% of SW are all 5 and below In my book (some I would give -1); I would pay them to just to stay at home, so I can have a much more pleasant time walking around. I guess one of the key benefit of a place like gusto is that the average look is 7. 5 with a very tight standard deviation (1.5 max). In a way, I'm paying to not see the 6 and below.

I wouldn't even want to fuck a broad after all that arguing and back and forth. And you guys say that negotiating beforehand ruins the mood? That arguing and begging and pleading shit is a real mood ruiner. Bih you get your shit and get out. The reason to fuck with hookers in the first place is to avoid all that bs. Now you not only have the bs, but you are paying cash for it!

I'm with you on that 100%, I fucking hate negotiation. Note we are not negotiating on the price, we are negotiating on whether it make sense to go out on the street at 5 am to look for an ATM. Anyway, you are absolutely right, negotiation is a major mood killer.

[SJobs]

What went wrong is you let her know you had more money than brains and addition that you're a complete pushover.

I guess being mean to people is just not my forte. Anyways, having more money than brain is certainly better than the other way around.

And I guarantee this chica that you pay 500-700 k to is boning other guys for a fraction of that amount. And she probably won't try to rob / extort / pressure those guys into more money because she know's they've got some common sense.

I know that if I get her during day time or outside of gusto, I can bang her for 200 k, but I enjoy a good party and I'm willing to pay for it; after all, 300 k is less than 2 good lap dances in Vegas. If you read my full post, my day started out with a fb chica that I paid 300 k for 7 hours. I cum three times and she cleaned my apartment. At night time, I'm looking for a different kind of fun.

I'm not sure if I understood your argument. Why would she push a cash cow like me to the extreme over 200 k? Especially if she is fucking other guys that is much meaner, having an easily triggered temper and extremely difficult to up-sell? Any person with a reasonable intelligence would definitely protect the source that generates the most amount of profit. I really don't see how her behavior reflects that she got any common sense.

[JjBee62]

Who knows. When I was there I drank right in front of the cop and did not ask. And everyone else was doing the same thing. When I say everyone else there were literally like 50 people walking around with drinks so who knows. This was a Sat night.

Actually inside the park, or walking around the area? Walking around the area is no problem. The rule is against drinking inside the park.

[Mojo Bandit]

I use Google Maps and Google Maps Street View a lot. To plan trips and recon areas that I may or may not visit. I even have a virtual reality headgear I can use to virtually go virtually anywhere, but this is the most interesting thing I have accidentally discovered. I found this on Avenida Maracaibo (Calle 53) between Carrera 46 and Sucre (Carrera 47) On block north and then about 4 1/2 blocks East of Plaza Botero . I had more images but they kept failing to upload even after I tweaked them a couple of times. The far right image is a close up of the far left image and the middle image is the second frame.

I have gone back and forth about posting these images that I found on Google Maps because for some naive people it will be the only impression they have of Medellin. So I am going to post them with a disclaimer.

These images capture a single moment in time from over two years ago and if anyone wants to know about the safety of El Centro area of Medellin they should read the many many post of members on this forum. Also to be fair this does not look random and most likely a result of a personal beef between two people.

Google Maps Street View June 2017

[Sangnyc21]

Totally agree. 98% are not making the kind of money some have calculated. Over 14 years I've known a lot of working girls, some very well. And sometimes there are days that go by (or more than days) where they do not get any citas. And that's girls we talk about and girls who are talked about on other boards. When they do get money, a lot of them are so vain they have to buy purses and shoes and clothes and make-up and have procedures done. Without a thought of how to pay rent and servicios. And these same girls are much too prideful to work at Fase Dos or other strip clubs or in casas. It really is unreal.

As far as the other goes. Some of these girls really do travel the world. And these are girls who are not he hottest (examples. Tatis OKehdho and Ana). It is amazing the places they go. Not sure if they have a sugar daddy or work as working girls for a lot more money. I knew one girl who went to Spain for a month to finance her new boobs. I know of another girl who many of you would know from FB who went to Miami for a month and came back with money to buy a car. I just have to laugh.

They don't have to be the hottest one but then again beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But all these girls are just looking to put the hook into guys. Whoever bites is the ones they take advantage of.

Girls who have cars.

Girls who pick up 4-5 money transfers in the beginning of the month.

Girls who like to make themselves look expensive.

It's all just for show. They really don't realize the more expensive they look is actually hurting them. Cause guys with $$ and guys who are experienced mongers are not stupid. They all know where it comes from.

So the only value they see in them is for the dirty things we can do to them.

[Septimius]

That is really odd because the first thing I did when I entered Lleras was walk up to a cop and ask if it was legal to drink in the park and he said yes, I am starting to wonder if it depends on the damn cop.

Who knows. When I was there I drank right in front of the cop and did not ask. And everyone else was doing the same thing. When I say everyone else there were literally like 50 people walking around with drinks so who knows. This was a Sat night.

[Sangnyc21]

They are obvious drug hubs as well. The chicks could just as well be drug mules and/or thieves. I can guarantee 98% that they are not getting rich selling pussy as some of you may want to believe. Don't let social media fool you. That is the damn problem. One day these hoes showing you how they are balling and the next day they are begging for money talking about they don't have the money for rent. Get what you see on social media out of your head when dealing with these hoes.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TsmwcXru6WY

Funny one:

https://m.worldstarhiphop.com/androi...Iw7oZ0eWIMj37r

Absolutely agree. Instagram is used to try to trick all the newbie gringos who don't know better.

Yes they will always need $$. When they get desperate I've see prices drop dramatically. But of course with that so does the service.

Case in point. A few trips ago had a hot Instagram chick an absolute knockout. She opened with 250 usd for an all nighter. I said fuck it ok that's what you want? Then this is what I want done to me and do to you. She agrees. She hits me up all the time when I'll be back etc etc. I give my boy her number. Now he's got more $$ than me but much more frugal. He refuses to pay her asking. Bargains her down to 400 k for 2 hours. Tells me it was a horrible rush job terrible services. Etc etc.

So yes I agree these girls are always in need of $$. My assumption is the really hot ones who hustle hard make about 1500-2000 usd per month on average.

That's including all the money pick ups from dumb gringos coming in every month. Lmao.

[Mojo Bandit]

Had a similar situation in Parque Lleras. Bought beers and sat in the park to drink them. Cop came up and said we couldn't drink in the park. We thanked him, got up walked 20 feet out of the park and continued drinking.

That is really odd because the first thing I did when I entered Lleras was walk up to a cop and ask if it was legal to drink in the park and he said yes, I am starting to wonder if it depends on the damn cop.

[LvZooMan211]

Hi all,

Has anyone stayed at Hotel Dix near Parque Lleras before, and do you know if they charge a chica fee? Also do you know of any girl friendly hotels or apartments / Airbnb near Parque Lleras? TIA.

[ColombiaLover]

Totally agree. 98% are not making the kind of money some have calculated. Over 14 years I've known a lot of working girls, some very well. And sometimes there are days that go by (or more than days) where they do not get any citas. And that's girls we talk about and girls who are talked about on other boards. When they do get money, a lot of them are so vain they have to buy purses and shoes and clothes and make-up and have procedures done. Without a thought of how to pay rent and servicios. And these same girls are much too prideful to work at Fase Dos or other strip clubs or in casas. It really is unreal.

As far as the other goes. Some of these girls really do travel the world. And these are girls who are not he hottest (examples. Tatis OKehdho and Ana). It is amazing the places they go. Not sure if they have a sugar daddy or work as working girls for a lot more money. I knew one girl who went to Spain for a month to finance her new boobs. I know of another girl who many of you would know from FB who went to Miami for a month and came back with money to buy a car. I just have to laugh.

They are obvious drug hubs as well. The chicks could just as well be drug mules and/or thieves. I can guarantee 98% that they are not getting rich selling pussy as some of you may want to believe. Don't let social media fool you. That is the damn problem. One day these hoes showing you how they are balling and the next day they are begging for money talking about they don't have the money for rent....

[Combo]

I started out my day with a 7-hour GFE session with one of my favorite 18-year-old fb girl. She is not the hottest, but pretty enough. Her service is out of this world. We fucked for many hours. It was a great experience. Total damage, 300 k. She washed my dishes, did my laundry and made my bed.

At night time, I made an appointment with one of my favorite party girl at gusto. I have seen her at least 7 times. I always give her 500-700 k per night. (depending on my mood and her service level). We normally follow up with some hot morning sex. I have never under paid her, and I always paid in the morning by going to an ATM. For the most part, my night was going well, we drink, dance and made out just like usual. Around 3:45 am, we came back to my place, things all the sudden took an 180 degree turn.

Right after entering my apartment, she opened a beer, grabbed some tussi and stormed into the bathroom. After a while, she came out and demanded 500 k payment upfront. I'm completely dumbfounded, this is not a random girl I just picked up for the night, I have seen this girl for 7+ times. We went to lunch together, I brought her a pair of shoes (very cheap, less than 50 dollars) at the Santa Fe mall, she never had Japanese food before, I introduced her to sushi. I was piss-drunk once that I couldn't wake up in the morning, she stayed with me until late afternoon, she had the chance to empty my apartment (my apple products alone is worth many thousands, even with depreciation), but instead, she just cuddled with me for hours until I regain consciousness

My immediate answer to her request is, NO Fucking Way. Then she told me, OK, call me a Uber, I'm leaving. I was like, What? I made my case to her; I told her just look at my apartment, the amount of money I just spent in gusto and the total amount I have paid you so far, how could you have any doubts about my ability to pay. However, she won't budge. Then I made the most naive mistake ever, I offered to pay her half now and half later. I didn't feel like looking for an ATM at 4:30 in the morning, I only had 10 dollars and 300 k pesos in my wallet. My thinking was that she might had a bad experience recently, she just want to be more careful. After all, we knew each other for months. After receiving the 300 k, she said she will go organize, then she stormed into the bathroom again. I was ready to put this episode behind us and move on to sex. But little did I know, the fun is just about to began.

After spending couple of minutes in the bathroom, she came out with a stone cold face saying, "pay me the other 200 or call a Uber". At that very moment I knew I'm fucked, back in the days when I was a rookie monger, I use to make the mistake of giving the girls some money under the wrong negotiation condition. I put up a futile argument, mentioning all our history together and I even offered up my iPhone X and apple watch as collateral. To make things even more weird, I offered 10 dollars USD as a partial payment and she turned it down, it seems like she just want money out of the ATM. After repeatedly making the argument of my trustworthiness, she relented for about 5 minutes. She took some of her clothes off, and my hands was all over body. Then all the sudden, she pushed me away, asking for more money or no sex. She broke the Cardinal rule of prostitution. I'm fairly certain that she will keep asking for more money after receiving the 200 k, she will do this until my patient ran's out and kick her out. This is one way to maximize profit, in the very short term, without deliver the service. As long as I have a hard-on, she thinks she owns me. In the world of pay-to-play, this approach is as unethical as it gets.

I decided to cut my loss and move on to pussy hunting, after all, it is only 5 am, in Medellin there are still two places open, el fasian and paradise. I grabbed my phone and sent out 8 FB messages to the girls that have a high chance of working in the very early morning. Then I told the gusto girl: "I will never see you again, think about the opportunity cost, you are really stupid. Let's go downstairs, I will get the money and wave it in your face. Enjoy the 300 k you just robbed from me. In the long run, it is your loss". We went out to the streets at 5 am, found an ATM and I took out 400 k; ready to hit el fasian. She stood outside the ATM room waiting for me. I was angry at the time, so I waved the money in her face, she give me a look of confusion. We stood there for just a few minutes until a taxi showed up. I took the taxi directly to el fasian. From the back mirror of the taxi I can see her still standing in the middle of the street.

I found a much older blonde in el fasian, her service was OK, but she gives an amazing massage. We spent 4 hours together for 300 k. By the time she leaves, an 18-year-old FB girl is ready to come over, by 10:00 am I'm back on FB-chica day-time mode.

For the life of me, I couldn't figure out what went wrong with that gusto girl. It could be that I'm now more aware of the system in Medellin, which scared her, she knew that I now know that I'm significantly overpaying her. For instance, she always encourage me to buy the 100 k per gram of tussi in gusto, I now get high quality stuff from my FB connections. She encourages me to buy whiskey rounds for all the working staff in gusto. I did that only once when I was super drunk, now I refuse to even entertain the idea. Other explanation is that she is so coked out of her mind, she lost the basic reasoning ability. Anyway, she will turn 22 in 3 months, by that time, she will be too old for my taste, if it needs to end soon, this way is just as good as any.

What went wrong is you let her know you had more money than brains and addition that you're a complete pushover. The minute a chica starts acting up, that's it. As Mr E said, immediately block her and end any contact with her. I don't care how hot she looks. If she gets bitchy and you try to be nice and reasonable, she's just going to ramp up the bitchiness.

And I guarantee this chica that you pay 500-700 k to is boning other guys for a fraction of that amount. And she probably won't try to rob / extort / pressure those guys into more money because she know's they've got some common sense.

Sorry for my harsh words, but this is ridiculous.

[The Tall Man]

I started out my day with a 7-hour GFE session with one of my favorite 18-year-old fb girl. She is not the hottest, but pretty enough. Her service is out of this world. We fucked for many hours. It was a great experience. Total damage, 300 k. She washed my dishes, did my laundry and made my bed.

At night time, I made an appointment with one of my favorite party girl at gusto. I have seen her at least 7 times. I always give her 500-700 k per night. (depending on my mood and her service level). We normally follow up with some hot morning sex. I have never under paid her, and I always paid in the morning by going to an ATM. For the most part, my night was going well, we drink, dance and made out just like usual. Around 3:45 am, we came back to my place, things all the sudden took an 180 degree turn..

My take on this, first you are over paying by at least twice if not 3 times, 2. She has lost all respect for you as you have treated her too nice, yes these are putas to the bones, never ever try to think they are anything different, 4. Yes even the educated ones have little concept of keeping a good paying customer happy in the long run.

Move on which you did but damn dude because of the high price you have been paying her she is ruined / spoiled / a **** in the truest sense of the words and now she has an expectation that every other stupid gringo will pay her this amount even if she flips a switch and becomes a *****. No one wins.

The Tall Man.