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05-10-18 03:39 #25393
Posts: 1160Originally Posted by Takedown [View Original Post]
It's not that the girls at the higher end Oase-like FKKs are worried about their customers breaking the law. They know the law is unenforcible. And that even if enforced it would be the men, not them, paying the price. The truth of it is that, as usual, they are playing the customers. That's the effect of the new law. They use it as leverage to create de facto price increases by lowering service for short sessions, and creating a harder sell for long sessions.
Meanwhile the RTC clubs happily keep doing business with not only BBBJ available, but total AO as well. It's not that they are fearless law breakers. They *also* know the law is unenforcible. But the raison detre of that market is indeed BB services. They can't use removal of BB services as leverage, and so far the most they've been able to get away with is a 10 euro upcharge or so.
I'm not saying this makes your empirical observation wrong (although there is the quantification problem.) I'm saying the causation is not being described accurately. (1) The impact on RTC's where BB services are of primary concern has been minor, and (2) the greater impact (still small) on higher end clubs isn't about the law per se, but rather the pent up pressure for price increases finally being released.
In any case, BB services are still there to be found. Even at Oase and other places of its ilk. It might take a few minutes longer to find.
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05-10-18 01:48 #25392
Posts: 1280Originally Posted by Neurosynth [View Original Post]
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05-09-18 23:34 #25391
Posts: 2073Originally Posted by Jnpr30 [View Original Post]
Option 1: he goes to his favorite escort apartment situated in a discrete building with no neon-lights and no pictures of naked ladies. He's greeted by a receptionist that introduces him to 5-10 WGs. He chooses one for 150 EUR per hour, opts for 50 EUR worth of extras. After the session, receptionist ensures his experience with WG was satisfactory. Total cost: 200 EUR.
Option 2: he goes to Sharks. Parks several blocks away. Walks past SEAT dealership's parking lot, constantly worried that someone he knows will see him. His worst nightmare is to see his father-in-law pulling out of the Hornbach. Pays his 65 EUR entry. Chooses a WG. Pays her 100 EUR per hour. About 50 percent chance he steps on a landmine. Total cost: 165 EUR.
Honestly, option one was always his best choice. But he mixed Sharks in 1-2 times a year because he felt it was worth the risk to be able to choose from 100 WGs. But since the services have deteriorated, he is starting to re-think that logic.
Originally Posted by Jnpr30 [View Original Post]
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05-09-18 21:23 #25390
Posts: 1160Originally Posted by Takedown [View Original Post]
But if guys were more insistent about BB services, BB services would be more common because girls would need a competitive edge.
And why not be more insistent? *The law is unenforcible*.
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05-09-18 21:10 #25389
Posts: 4759Originally Posted by Lanthano [View Original Post]
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05-09-18 21:09 #25388
Posts: 1517Originally Posted by McAdonis [View Original Post]
Now, why would people stick with an obviously bad choice? Depends on who. You and I might perceive a 50 E /15 M CBJ+CFS is a sucky barter, but others might perceive higher utility in it. Heck, 6 years ago, I myself would have, when I was paying upto $400 for a few bump and grind lap dances in strip clubs.
And practically too, there are other reasons. Not all men want to go up and down stairs, for a girl they can't see and service they don't know, in a seedy neighborhood, perhaps in the dark, or perhaps with passers on giving dirty looks and passing judgement. Having visited the secure, relaxing environment of FKK, I personally will never visit a RLD myself. That's me. And if you want to consume 4 to 5 sessions spread over 12 to 14 hours of relaxing atmosphere, with some food, sleep, banter and music, and not freeze from cold or soak in rain and fry in the sun, and do this 4 days in a row, FKK is a pretty darned good concept.
I am not denying substitution effect is real. It is, in many situations.
But so far when it comes to FKKs, it has not happened, at least to the extent of stabilizing or reducing the price, as far as I can tell. Perhaps I am wrong??
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05-09-18 20:45 #25387
Posts: 396Originally Posted by McAdonis [View Original Post]
Exactly. All the more so for an FKK like Oase which is far from other places as it is.
Not only can you find it easily in the RLD, it's cheaper.
I'm also wondering whether Oase has worked up a trademark, such as amongst the Italians in particular, that there is a steady flow of outsiders that come there in particular and keep the prices elevated and the expected service for average prices low.
Reading some of the posts below, asking whether you can coax the girls for better by offering 100 e, are pointing this out. If Oase is going to become an overpaying tourist area only, no point.
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05-09-18 19:32 #25386
Posts: 955Originally Posted by RogueNation [View Original Post]
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05-09-18 19:06 #25385
Posts: 2073Originally Posted by Jnpr30 [View Original Post]
It's like if I had to travel from Frankfurt to Berlin. I'd look at the not only Lufthansa but also viable substitutes. Be it another airline like easyJet or another mode of transportation like train, bus, rental car, ride-share. Price would be a factor in that decision. If all the traveling options increase I may cut back or postpone.
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05-09-18 18:17 #25384
Posts: 1517Originally Posted by Pistons [View Original Post]
And that is on average. If one or a few regular punters obtain service as they always have, hardly makes a differnce. When you aggregate it over thousands of mongers over millions of sessions, implied price has been constantly expanding.
No, there was no collective strategy on the part of some mongers to bi$t#ch as a preemptive strategy (and if it was, they obviously failed because neither did the tourists stop coming, nor did the prices stablize). The bit$&ching was about services already obtained "I paid the same and got less in return, or I got the same service and paid up a bit more". And this sort of reports came from across the spectrum, tourists, locals, newbies and experienced.
You can speculate that in future demand will fall due to pricing increases, and that in turn will drive down pricing, or whatever else you want to forecast. My point is that, (a) those things did not happen so far (b) there is no indication that pricing will suddenly inflect down, quite the contrary in fact.
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05-09-18 14:19 #25383
Posts: 5722Originally Posted by Tp273 [View Original Post]
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05-09-18 10:10 #25382
Posts: 6735So you are claiming tourists have made too much of a market impact, and in order for prices to normalise, the tourists needs to hold onto their wallets more, or stay away?
Perhaps the bitching on the forum is a good indicator of posters realising this long ago by trying to keep the tourists away as long as possible too.
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05-09-18 01:58 #25381
Posts: 1517However, if you read the reports here, service has been getting progressively worse for years. Not a new thing. And if you equate worse service = less of a product = implied price increase, essentially people have been getting less for the same price for a while now.
If we argue that demand from casual mongers, or locals or whichever group declines due to higher prices thus bringing supply / demand back into balance and hence the service up to the par, well that did not seem to happen. Either the demand did not fall enough, or new demand (Asians or some others) made up for the lost demand, or something else happened (supply became inelastic, and girls not willing to sell that service at that price even if there were fewer men buying at their asking price) -- whatever it may be; but the end result is that members have been consistently bitching here on ISG that service has been getting worse for 5 or 6 years now since I have been reading.
Anyway, in my view, price does not determine supply / demand, it is the other way around which is supply / demand decides the price. And for years, the true price has been creeping up (as seen through inferior service).
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05-08-18 22:51 #25380
Posts: 2073Originally Posted by Jnpr30 [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by Jnpr30 [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by Jnpr30 [View Original Post]
As Takedown suggested the WGs at ACA tried to shift prices up. Attendance dwindled and the market corrected itself. With the tourist Hessen clubs, I'd be less confident. When Oase lost market share to Sharks, I don't think the Oase WGs lowered their pricing or upped their services. They got accustomed to a certain rate, and were too proud to take less. ACA WGs were actually trying to get a pay increase.
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05-08-18 20:11 #25379
Posts: 99FKK Oase. Our last day in Germany.
On the last day with my friends in Germany we went to FKK Oase. We paid the 65 E door fee, showered & then went to get something to eat. Just as we were eating a girl came over to me and bent down kissing both my cheeks. I looked up to see it was Alice who I had a real nice time with on visits over the years. We talked a little and she left. A short time later we ran into Alice again. This time I decided it was payback for one of my friends named Wazz who had played some jokes on me in the past with the girls. As we were talking to Alice I told her Wazz wanted to know if her Breasts were natural or not. Alice laughed and Wazz got a little red faced. Alice then said the only way he was going to find out was 1st hand in the room. At this point Wazz had no option but to take Alice up on her challenge to save face. Pretty much the exact same thing he did to me with Alice 2 years before. They headed off to a room together. Wazz said Alice was OK but nothing great. That surprised me because she was really into it the times I saw her and I had a great time. Wazz said he paid her 100 E without asking the fee. She only wanted 50 E last fall but I gave her 30 E tip because of her great service.
Skip did yet another duo on this trip telling me later that the girls tried to upsell him in the room. He wanted kissing, BBBJ, DATY, sex with condom & CIM. The girls told him it would be 400 E. Skip complained that he could only do CIM with one girl. He said he stuck to his guns and the girls finally agreed to 300 E for the duo. He couldn't remember their names but was happy with their service. Later he saw a slightly heavier glasses girl and got the same services as the duo but the girl also said it was the hour and let him do a 2nd finish. She only wanted 150 E total. Skip got the bargain of the day for that one.
While Skip was gone Wazz and I were outside relaxing when Mya approached him and he went off with her to one of the corner shelters outside. Wazz said she was a nice time for 150 E. Later Wazz saw someone else outside but didn't remember her name.
Later in the evening Mya approached me and we sat in the Cinema area and talked. She also quoted 150 E for 1/2 HR to me but I told that I was only willing to pay 100 E. She kept rubbing her leg against my dick telling me how nice it would be for 150 E. I held out figuring there was always Alice for 100 E. Finally Mya said OK and we went to the room. In the room she kissed me sensually as she fondled my dick. Mya then said it would be so much better if I went for the hour for 150 E. I looked at her and said " I will only pay 100 E. Take it or leave it! ". She said 100 E would be OK. At this point I was seriously thinking of calling the whole off because I figured she might not want to give me her best service for 100 E. Much to her credit I was wrong. We began more slow sensual kissing and then I explored her body with my hands and lips. Mya then moved down to do a BBBJ as I rubbed her pussy. Enjoyed that for a while then I pulled her over for some 69. Soon Mya put her hands to the side and only used her mouth as her head bobbed up & down on my Dick. At the same time she began slowly moving her pussy up & down my tongue. I then reached up grabbing handfuls of her firm ass and buried my face in her warm & now juicy pussy.
Next I had Mya put on the condom and she rode me on top while I squeezed her firm Tits and pinched her nipples. I then told her I wanted to do some edge of the bed doggy. She tried getting into position on the bed but there was a large wooden trim on the end of the bed and she couldn't get back far enough for me to enter her. Mya then got up and stood at the edge of the bed in front of me. She then lifted one one leg up putting one foot up on the wooden trim and at the same time reaching back to guide me into her. I held onto her hips and went at her slow and deep. It was then I noticed the mirror on the wall next to us. It allowed me a great view of my dick going in & out of her pussy while Mya was also rubbing her clit. I almost lost it there but I wanted to be on top of her when I finished so I had her move on the bed and climbed on top. I took slow and deep plunges to savor her warm tight pussy as long as I could but it was soon over. As I filled the condom Mya began to squeeze her pussy as if to Milk me dry, which she did. What a great finish. This was one of my top 3 sessions for this trip.