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05-10-18 03:54 #25395
Posts: 22435Originally Posted by McAdonis [View Original Post]
Just depends on your behavior, and behaving only like a tourist, or deserving what you work to find. That's my game in Germany when I have Russian escorts in Paris, and I know top level girls at Globe who behave like if they want I marry them.
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05-10-18 03:47 #25394
Posts: 1280Originally Posted by Neurosynth [View Original Post]
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05-10-18 03:39 #25393
Posts: 1160Originally Posted by Takedown [View Original Post]
It's not that the girls at the higher end Oase-like FKKs are worried about their customers breaking the law. They know the law is unenforcible. And that even if enforced it would be the men, not them, paying the price. The truth of it is that, as usual, they are playing the customers. That's the effect of the new law. They use it as leverage to create de facto price increases by lowering service for short sessions, and creating a harder sell for long sessions.
Meanwhile the RTC clubs happily keep doing business with not only BBBJ available, but total AO as well. It's not that they are fearless law breakers. They *also* know the law is unenforcible. But the raison detre of that market is indeed BB services. They can't use removal of BB services as leverage, and so far the most they've been able to get away with is a 10 euro upcharge or so.
I'm not saying this makes your empirical observation wrong (although there is the quantification problem.) I'm saying the causation is not being described accurately. (1) The impact on RTC's where BB services are of primary concern has been minor, and (2) the greater impact (still small) on higher end clubs isn't about the law per se, but rather the pent up pressure for price increases finally being released.
In any case, BB services are still there to be found. Even at Oase and other places of its ilk. It might take a few minutes longer to find.
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05-10-18 01:48 #25392
Posts: 1280Originally Posted by Neurosynth [View Original Post]
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05-09-18 23:34 #25391
Posts: 2073Originally Posted by Jnpr30 [View Original Post]
Option 1: he goes to his favorite escort apartment situated in a discrete building with no neon-lights and no pictures of naked ladies. He's greeted by a receptionist that introduces him to 5-10 WGs. He chooses one for 150 EUR per hour, opts for 50 EUR worth of extras. After the session, receptionist ensures his experience with WG was satisfactory. Total cost: 200 EUR.
Option 2: he goes to Sharks. Parks several blocks away. Walks past SEAT dealership's parking lot, constantly worried that someone he knows will see him. His worst nightmare is to see his father-in-law pulling out of the Hornbach. Pays his 65 EUR entry. Chooses a WG. Pays her 100 EUR per hour. About 50 percent chance he steps on a landmine. Total cost: 165 EUR.
Honestly, option one was always his best choice. But he mixed Sharks in 1-2 times a year because he felt it was worth the risk to be able to choose from 100 WGs. But since the services have deteriorated, he is starting to re-think that logic.
Originally Posted by Jnpr30 [View Original Post]
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05-09-18 21:23 #25390
Posts: 1160Originally Posted by Takedown [View Original Post]
But if guys were more insistent about BB services, BB services would be more common because girls would need a competitive edge.
And why not be more insistent? *The law is unenforcible*.
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05-09-18 21:10 #25389
Posts: 4759Originally Posted by Lanthano [View Original Post]
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05-09-18 21:09 #25388
Posts: 1517Originally Posted by McAdonis [View Original Post]
Now, why would people stick with an obviously bad choice? Depends on who. You and I might perceive a 50 E /15 M CBJ+CFS is a sucky barter, but others might perceive higher utility in it. Heck, 6 years ago, I myself would have, when I was paying upto $400 for a few bump and grind lap dances in strip clubs.
And practically too, there are other reasons. Not all men want to go up and down stairs, for a girl they can't see and service they don't know, in a seedy neighborhood, perhaps in the dark, or perhaps with passers on giving dirty looks and passing judgement. Having visited the secure, relaxing environment of FKK, I personally will never visit a RLD myself. That's me. And if you want to consume 4 to 5 sessions spread over 12 to 14 hours of relaxing atmosphere, with some food, sleep, banter and music, and not freeze from cold or soak in rain and fry in the sun, and do this 4 days in a row, FKK is a pretty darned good concept.
I am not denying substitution effect is real. It is, in many situations.
But so far when it comes to FKKs, it has not happened, at least to the extent of stabilizing or reducing the price, as far as I can tell. Perhaps I am wrong??
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05-09-18 20:45 #25387
Posts: 396Originally Posted by McAdonis [View Original Post]
Exactly. All the more so for an FKK like Oase which is far from other places as it is.
Not only can you find it easily in the RLD, it's cheaper.
I'm also wondering whether Oase has worked up a trademark, such as amongst the Italians in particular, that there is a steady flow of outsiders that come there in particular and keep the prices elevated and the expected service for average prices low.
Reading some of the posts below, asking whether you can coax the girls for better by offering 100 e, are pointing this out. If Oase is going to become an overpaying tourist area only, no point.
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05-09-18 19:32 #25386
Posts: 955Originally Posted by RogueNation [View Original Post]
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05-09-18 19:06 #25385
Posts: 2073Originally Posted by Jnpr30 [View Original Post]
It's like if I had to travel from Frankfurt to Berlin. I'd look at the not only Lufthansa but also viable substitutes. Be it another airline like easyJet or another mode of transportation like train, bus, rental car, ride-share. Price would be a factor in that decision. If all the traveling options increase I may cut back or postpone.
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05-09-18 18:17 #25384
Posts: 1517Originally Posted by Pistons [View Original Post]
And that is on average. If one or a few regular punters obtain service as they always have, hardly makes a differnce. When you aggregate it over thousands of mongers over millions of sessions, implied price has been constantly expanding.
No, there was no collective strategy on the part of some mongers to bi$t#ch as a preemptive strategy (and if it was, they obviously failed because neither did the tourists stop coming, nor did the prices stablize). The bit$&ching was about services already obtained "I paid the same and got less in return, or I got the same service and paid up a bit more". And this sort of reports came from across the spectrum, tourists, locals, newbies and experienced.
You can speculate that in future demand will fall due to pricing increases, and that in turn will drive down pricing, or whatever else you want to forecast. My point is that, (a) those things did not happen so far (b) there is no indication that pricing will suddenly inflect down, quite the contrary in fact.
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05-09-18 14:19 #25383
Posts: 5707Originally Posted by Tp273 [View Original Post]
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05-09-18 10:10 #25382
Posts: 6735So you are claiming tourists have made too much of a market impact, and in order for prices to normalise, the tourists needs to hold onto their wallets more, or stay away?
Perhaps the bitching on the forum is a good indicator of posters realising this long ago by trying to keep the tourists away as long as possible too.
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05-09-18 01:58 #25381
Posts: 1517However, if you read the reports here, service has been getting progressively worse for years. Not a new thing. And if you equate worse service = less of a product = implied price increase, essentially people have been getting less for the same price for a while now.
If we argue that demand from casual mongers, or locals or whichever group declines due to higher prices thus bringing supply / demand back into balance and hence the service up to the par, well that did not seem to happen. Either the demand did not fall enough, or new demand (Asians or some others) made up for the lost demand, or something else happened (supply became inelastic, and girls not willing to sell that service at that price even if there were fewer men buying at their asking price) -- whatever it may be; but the end result is that members have been consistently bitching here on ISG that service has been getting worse for 5 or 6 years now since I have been reading.
Anyway, in my view, price does not determine supply / demand, it is the other way around which is supply / demand decides the price. And for years, the true price has been creeping up (as seen through inferior service).