Stupid Shit in Tijuana

[Phordphan]

First off the government doesn't care abou money because it's not theirs besides if it's something they require it would make sense. HK is only following rules of the state so why should they pay for it. Many businesses require employees to wear a uniform yet lots of them force the employee to pay for it. Any smart business will only pay what it has to especially when it's a popular job. Also I don't look at the girls being employees of the bar they are more or less independent contractors that dance and have the opportunity to do more if they want but the bar doesn't get involved in that part.

Yes many restaurants in the US hire illegal immigrants because it's basically slave labor but they are usually the support staff so they do not make tips. There's a difference from a bar forcing a quota to making an employee pay the bar if they don't sell a certain amount. So if you know what exactly the penalty is if a certain amount of drinks isn't sold let us know. Because basically what it seems like you think is that as soon a girl or waiter starts their shift they are already in the whole to the bar. So if you know what that amount is why not tell us.

My version and others that have experience is that the bar would like a certain number of drinks sold but you don't pay the bar each day if that's not met, it's tracked and if the bar feels your not making the effort they might suspend you or make you work at a smaller bar or they could just fire you completely.

So you don't understand how HK makes money if they don't get it from the employees? Really? Maybe you should stick to letting ChatGP write your posts for you.

HK is still much cheaper for drinks compared to what you pay in a US strip club and the girls don't have to drink beer, some of the statements you make sometimes get me to speculate if you have really any experience in the Zona or you just get information from the web or AI. The girls want the drinks not only for the credit but they are at least getting compensated for their time, you may not believe this but the girls are there to make money and not waste time talking to guys without being compensated.

So I'll still be waiting for the exact details on this supposed fee girls and waiters have to pay each day to work at HK. I already know what the waiters have to do which I wouldn't consider them having to pay to work at HK just an expense fee but some of you might view it differently.

I am not sure that the girls are independent contractors. Mexican independent contractor law is very similar to that of California. If an individual does work that is directly supervised, and / or they are told when they need to be at work and when they can leave, they are NOT an independent contractor, but an employee. I am way out of the loop now, but some years ago I did see copies of the payroll register that a fave obtained when I was assisting her with child support issues. And, at that time, all of the girls were employees, making a VERY small salary. Probably minimum wage, which at that time was something like 50 pesos per day. This not only got them around the IC laws but allowed the girls to qualify for government medical. You can't get gov't medical care unless you are employed. Perhaps that has changed, and they are no longer employees. But if that is true, HK is violating all kinds of labor laws. Are they big enough to get away with that for years and years? I'm not so sure.

I have no idea if the waiters have to pay to work there, but I have heard from very reliable sources that they, in fact, do pay to work there. Less during the week more on weekends. There is a reason so many meseros try to cheat everybody possible. They are starting their shift in a hole. Nevertheless, I am willing to change my mind.

As far as ficha quotas go, who knows? We've all heard loads of stories. All I know is that the bar keeps track of the fichas, who gets paid for them, and how many each girl sells. They certainly have all the information needed, at their fingertips, to enforce a quota. Do they? I don't know. Personally, I think they look at it from time to time and maybe weed out the ones that aren't selling enough over a period of time.

[Sol12]

You are correct, I was asked to take a drug test for a high security job in US government, they paid. There are multiple companies that wanted to run my background check and they paid. Unless things are different as in paying to work at a Bar, the employer pays for all prior tests it requires.

Going to my point above, paying to work at a bar, HK and the Zona bars not charging girls and meseros just doesn't make sense one bit. In the US there are restaurants, thousands of them who let paperless workers work for them for tips and most of them take some %age of those tips. The idea HK doesn't force quotas at some level just doesn't hold water. That is not what I heard for years, without it, makes you wonder where do HK get their income? Mongers buying drinks on their own, LOL. For that they can go to any cheaper bar in centro, what makes them come and spend US level for booze is the girls, and without fecha quotes what the heck is a girl there drinking beer she hates and why are the girls so insistent for drinks?

First off the government doesn't care abou money because it's not theirs besides if it's something they require it would make sense. HK is only following rules of the state so why should they pay for it. Many businesses require employees to wear a uniform yet lots of them force the employee to pay for it. Any smart business will only pay what it has to especially when it's a popular job. Also I don't look at the girls being employees of the bar they are more or less independent contractors that dance and have the opportunity to do more if they want but the bar doesn't get involved in that part.

Yes many restaurants in the US hire illegal immigrants because it's basically slave labor but they are usually the support staff so they do not make tips. There's a difference from a bar forcing a quota to making an employee pay the bar if they don't sell a certain amount. So if you know what exactly the penalty is if a certain amount of drinks isn't sold let us know. Because basically what it seems like you think is that as soon a girl or waiter starts their shift they are already in the whole to the bar. So if you know what that amount is why not tell us.

My version and others that have experience is that the bar would like a certain number of drinks sold but you don't pay the bar each day if that's not met, it's tracked and if the bar feels your not making the effort they might suspend you or make you work at a smaller bar or they could just fire you completely.

So you don't understand how HK makes money if they don't get it from the employees? Really? Maybe you should stick to letting ChatGP write your posts for you.

HK is still much cheaper for drinks compared to what you pay in a US strip club and the girls don't have to drink beer, some of the statements you make sometimes get me to speculate if you have really any experience in the Zona or you just get information from the web or AI. The girls want the drinks not only for the credit but they are at least getting compensated for their time, you may not believe this but the girls are there to make money and not waste time talking to guys without being compensated.

So I'll still be waiting for the exact details on this supposed fee girls and waiters have to pay each day to work at HK. I already know what the waiters have to do which I wouldn't consider them having to pay to work at HK just an expense fee but some of you might view it differently.

[Zenduka1]

As for quotas, I know that everyone pays HK one way or another. Waiters and bathroom guys pay HK to work. Girls pay HK about $100 to do health checks every time they return from their vacations. Everyone pays HK. Get it? It's not a normal US operation like McDonalds where the employer pays employees. It's the other way around. Everyone pays HK.

You are correct, I was asked to take a drug test for a high security job in US government, they paid. There are multiple companies that wanted to run my background check and they paid. Unless things are different as in paying to work at a Bar, the employer pays for all prior tests it requires.

Going to my point above, paying to work at a bar, HK and the Zona bars not charging girls and meseros just doesn't make sense one bit. In the US there are restaurants, thousands of them who let paperless workers work for them for tips and most of them take some %age of those tips. The idea HK doesn't force quotas at some level just doesn't hold water. That is not what I heard for years, without it, makes you wonder where do HK get their income? Mongers buying drinks on their own, LOL. For that they can go to any cheaper bar in centro, what makes them come and spend US level for booze is the girls, and without fecha quotes what the heck is a girl there drinking beer she hates and why are the girls so insistent for drinks?

[Sol12]

As for quotas, I know that everyone pays HK one way or another. Waiters and bathroom guys pay HK to work. Girls pay HK about $100 to do health checks every time they return from their vacations. Everyone pays HK. Get it? It's not a normal US operation like McDonalds where the employer pays employees. It's the other way around. Everyone pays HK.

So here's another myth that I've seen in this board with nobody ever giving details. Sorry to say but the waiters don't pay to work at HK. Your welcome to give details on this to prove me wrong. Also when you say someone pays to work somewhere without the price it doesn't help. So technically they might pay a few dollars to cover certain expenses or do they pay hundreds of dollars? Without specifics what does it matter.

Also why would HK pay for a girls health exam? You know how many girls come and go and you think it's HK responsibility to pay for that? If you go get a job at McDonalds you have to take an exam at the health department, guess who's not paying for that? You guessed it McDonalds. Any restaurant you go to the staff that serves you works off tips the business doesn't pay them which is the same as HK. The bartender doesn't work off tips so they have a salary. Same goes for security, you think the are paying to work at HK? So they are going to pay money to risk their lives? What about the doormen out front? They are paying to take the highest risk of all when someone that's upset with HK could just drive by and kill them? Its already happened at other bars so doesn't seem logical to pay for that job.

So for whatever reason you like to portray HK as some sort of villain that takes advantage of everyone but the truth is HK has given many people the opportunity to make a better life for themselves compared to what they'd be able to do at other jobs. My guess is the bad information you get is just disgruntled employees and no matter how good a company treats its employees you will always find those that will complain.

[Sol12]

If only this board had a RC test that people had to pass in order to send posts. It would eliminate opinionated, know it all, condescending, bullying posters like you.

I don't think you understand what RC means because what you wrote makes no sense.

I think Ricky is secretly in love with me with all the attention he gives me. Reminds me of young boys that are mean to girls they really like. It's ok Ricky I always enjoy your wisdom and knowledge on life. LOL. Besides I'd be miserable to if I got stuck moving to Texas from California.

BTW why haven't you written a trip report on your visit to CR? I'm sure many guys would love to hear how it compares to Tijuana. I think we can all agree that this board only survives by guys writing about what they discovered when traveling. You asked questions of those on that board but it's been a few months and nothing from you. You may not like my opinion on things but at least I write a trip report on any visit I have and try to give knowledge on things some people don't know and ways to make your visit to places better.

[Jackie888]

As for quotas, I know that everyone pays HK one way or another. Waiters and bathroom guys pay HK to work. Girls pay HK about $100 to do health checks every time they return from their vacations. Everyone pays HK. Get it? It's not a normal US operation like McDonalds where the employer pays employees. It's the other way around. Everyone pays HK.

[RikyMichaels7]

If only this board had a RC test that people had to pass in order to reply to posts. You stated that HK exists because prostitution is illegal. So I pointed out how easy it is to pay for sex in SD. Obviously there is a demand so that created a supply. So even with Tijuana just a short drive away guys still don't go and would rather stay local.

I stated the reason HK is popular in the second paragraph I suggest you go back and read it because your first sentence is pointless as a response to what I wrote. I'm not sure what the point of the last part of your post was, maybe you thought it would impress me that you've been to these places but many of us on this board have visited places like HK in many countries so it's not that much of an accomplishment. It's funny when some guys brag about other places they have been like they have walked on the moon. LOL.

If only this board had a RC test that people had to pass in order to send posts. It would eliminate opinionated, know it all, condescending, bullying posters like you.

[Sol12]

The 6% inflation you quoted is year over year, that is prices of this say July, compared to July last year. If HK think mongers will pay $150 for a 30 min session and $40 for rooks outrageous amount for drinks, then they have their work cut out for them. Look at Deja Vu who wanted $150 for the girls for years and no one sets foot there. The inflation in the US is the same with no salary increase to workers, so the assumption mongers will pay these prices is wrong.

You know as well as I do, girls have quota of fechas they have to sell, if they can't they buy them from their pockets. Hence, they do pay to work there and HK enforces the number of fechas they need to buy per day and and how much those fechas are, that is fixing prices by the club for everything including sex. I don't know what else direct price fixing do you want to see. Also because of the price changes they implemented, girls were shying away from HK or Tijuana altogether, to woo girls to come, HK are telling girls they can charge $150 standard. Heard it from multiple girls.

You must work for Biden trying to make people forget that inflation has been going up since 2021. A conservative estimate for Tijuana is 5% per year so that's 20% over four years. That doesn't include when the dollar was weakened so girls asked for more. Unfortunately since a large majority don't pay in pesos the girls aren't going to lower their prices just because the dollar is stronger now. The biggest expense for girls that come to work in Tijuana is rent. Not sure what HK is charging for a room but last year a girl I talked to was staying at the hotel next to CC because it was cheaper.

I've been around for many years and have a lot of experience dating bar girls and hanging out with others that work or have worked in the Zona and there is no quota. I'm not sure why you find this so hard to believe because all you have to do is read this board and the number of vets that back this up. Instead you remind me of a kid that believes in Santa Claus because his parents told him and all the other kids at school try to tell him the truth but he just can't fathom that his parents would lie to him.

[Sol12]

Agree, this is where things are going if not already there. In the past my mongering friends, would take two girls up a day, now paying $150 it is one girl. I insist upon them not to pay $150 and that $100 at most is what they should. These are more older distinguished gentle-mongers so to speak who don't like to bargain for pussy. They are not dirty kinky mofos like me who know how to push the girl's emotional buttons. I'd assume it is the same for others and so the sum result is the club and the girls are losing money.

I'm sure HK is perfectly happy to make an easy $40 on a 30 min room that costs them nothing. As for he girls I don't think some girl cares if some guy paid her $150 instead oh him paying her $100 only to give another $100 to some other girl. The only thing the girl that got $150 from your friend is kicking herself for is not starting at a higher number since he doesn't negotiate and paid the first number she said.

[Sol12]

I was uninformed once in 2013. Was talking to a buddy, and we were wondering same situation in 2024 onward: you hired a ZN street girl and paid for a 30 minute room; on post deed exit, gringo gets ambushed by janitor staff guilting you into cleaning propina? If your answer is either "Oops my first time in Tijuana I only brought 10's 20's no 1's sorry" or "I'm new, you mean that's not included in the room rate?

Is anything going to happen?

Edit: I don't get hassled for tips on Monterrey, Reynosa, CDMX, and select Latin/Asia spots just TJ, so there's that
I don't mind tipping for the service industry, but I do raise an eyebrow when workers start making BS excuses for propinas for the littlest things they're already being paid to do.

Nothing will happen if you don't tip. Most guys I think only tip so the don't look cheap in front of the girl. Myself and many others just leave the tip in the room and if we get asked tell them it's in the room. You don't even have to leave a dollar just leave some change if you want. Once I had a girl actually leave the money in the room before I was leaving so I gave it back to her and told her I planned on leaving a tip.

[Jim0129]

LOL bro I was being sarcastic but I do agree us Seabees are pretty sick and crazy.

Yeah I thought so, we don't have any emogies in this forum.

[The Cane]

They have the Caucasian skin color and body type (Southern European viz Italian and Spanish) unlike Brazilians.

No they all do not. There are millions in Argentina who look like Maradona. And millions and millions in Brazil who look European. Not only that but Uruguay, although small, is even whiter than Argentina is. Why I brought that country up. As far as the places I've been in Latin America (a lot) Uruguay was the whitest country in that expansive part of the world. All of these off base over generalizations not based on hard facts. People really need to educate themselves first!

[Turgid]

You have forgotten Chile, but not relevant for this topic.

I have not been to Chile so not so sure. In my first visit to Buenos Aires in 2006 I saw no black people during my two weeks there. I did see one or two in later visits and I believe they were tourists.

Maradonna hmmm. All the Argentines I saw looked Caucasian to me. They have the Caucasian skin color and body type (Southern European viz Italian and Spanish) unlike Brazilians.

[SeaBeeJoe]

Oh you're a sick little puppy SeaBee, sick little puppy!

LOL bro I was being sarcastic but I do agree us Seabees are pretty sick and crazy.

[Explorer8939]

Perhaps the only Latin American country that has a truly Caucasian population is Argentina. I am not sure what happened to their Native or African inhabitants if they had any at all.

You have forgotten Chile, but not relevant for this topic.