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[NicFrenchy]

First of all, respectable people don't shop around on ISG looking for what to do and where to dine tonight. Not "respectable" in the way the kingdom broadly defines it for the purposes of keeping the activity as reasonably descrite as possible.

I see where you are going with this, and this makes sense. Places do not advertise themselves but girls do. All over Facebook, IG, TikTok. They are just low-key directing people to their page on X, which has mostly 2 things:

1. They are just selling their locked X page where all their nudes are.

2. Selling "work" as they put it, giving their Line and Telegram page.

Majority of these girls are incall, and reluctant to make appointments with foreigners.

[EihTooms]

There are websites that fully resemble Fiwfans and are hosted in Europe. With hundreds of Thai girls operating in BKK and some other Thai regions.

Would they pop up on a Google Search by name? Have they established a presence on X, Facebook and / or Bluesky, as fiwfans / fwfans did?

I would say the "openly and shamefully offering prostitution in public" qualifier is the Thai Penal Code offense the BIB are looking for and for which the authorities can easily indict as a crime. I mean, leaving aside age, improper visa and / or forced prostitution-related issues. Of course, if a post is made here alerting the BIB that there is a venue or service that could be worthy of being investigated and shutdown, I suppose the BIB might very well have no choise but to follow up on the tip.

Otherwise, I am not sure a site like ISG qualifies as the kind of "public" platform where unsuspecting respectable passersby might unadvertantly be exposed to and meet that "openly and shamefully in public" standard.

First of all, respectable people don't shop around on ISG looking for what to do and where to dine tonight. Not "respectable" in the way the kingdom broadly defines it for the purposes of keeping the activity as reasonably descrite as possible. By the time you have entered ISG and clicked into this or any number of other forums and threads there is no chance you are going to be shocked, shocked to discover prostitution is going on in this place as though you were just walking on your way to the mall or your hotel and there it was.

But if someone types "fiw" into the Google Search box and in the first 1-2 results up pops an array of photos with profiles explicitly stating how much for 1 "mouth split" and 1 "water" without "pearls" stitched into your dick right in the heart of Bangkok the authorities probably consider that just two steps away from shouting it out on the corner of Sukhumvit and Asoke outside of Terminal 21.

And perhaps they feel the same about Telegram, Line and other international social network apps.

As opposed to what is discussed on this site, which they might consider roughly the same as a mamasan in a Happy Ending Massage Spa showing the prospective customer a menu that, sure enough, lists BJ, HJ and FS packages.

[Explorer8939]

I've got 2 ladies who are sort of trying to rope me into an exclusive relationship.

One is doing the standard bargirl approach: constant messages, lots of heart emojis, the usual stuff. She's a freelancer, but lazy, so she would rather just nail down a current customer.

The other is constantly fighting with her Thai boyfriend, and preparing to make a move. She has learned to cook Eggs Benedict and will bring some to my place.

Of course, I'm not going to fall for either.

[NicFrenchy]

That is what defines the money collectors for the fiwfans business model as "pimps" but the managers / mamasans at Tulip and Snow White merely as "massage shops managers. ".

Publicly, that is. Which dodges that whole "shamefully and publicly advertising or offering prostitution" crime section cited in the Thai Penal Code.

There are websites that fully resemble Fiwfans and are hosted in Europe. With hundreds of Thai girls operating in BKK and some other Thai regions.

[Explorer8939]

I was talking to a 20 year veteran bargirl last night in Passion Club, she was having problems with her Thai boyfriend. His mother wanted more money, and if she didn't get it, she ordered her son to stay with her. So, if the bargirl wanted to get laid, she had to pay the mother.

[EihTooms]

Not sure what you mean. In fiwfans the "agent"/pimp/whatever gets a cut of the money, and the girl the rest. At the shops, the shop gets a cut, and the girl the rest. What's the "big difference" here?

If anything, the fiwfans pimps maintain a much greater distance, as you don't ever give the money to them, only to the girl. Obviously they had no luck arguing "what the girl does with the money afterwards is her business. If she, out of the goodness of hear heat, bless her soul, wants to donate some to me, that's up to her", but that argument is not even possible in the case of shops.

I have no facts and don't even live in Thailand anymore, but my guess is that fiwfans got shut down because they a) were getting rather noticeable and big in terms of revenue, and b) did not grease the right, or most likely, any palms.

Unlike the shops, which I believe are licensed (not directly as wh0rehouses, but somewhat similar), and where the bib can easily ride up on their bikes to whatever shops is in their jurisdiction, and make the monthly inspection pleasant or not so pleasant, all while collecting their "fee", that's probably a bit more difficult to do in case of fiwfans. Possibly they did manage to find someone somewhere under 20 with a fake ID amongst the thousands of girls offering their service there, but I'm sure that was just the excuse used.

When I do a search on a free and public website for, say, Tulip and Snow White, it appears the only service for which the person collecting your money at the counter might get a cut is some vague thingy called "an erotic massage". If that. Tulip doesn't even have a public website.

That is the buffer of public deniability that has kept those two shops whose girls, some at least, presumably, do indeed provide more Real Sex to more customers in a week than many of those fiwfans princesses do in a year if not in their entire P4 P careers, open.

I barely recall "massage" even appearing very prominently on the fiwfans site. It starts with something about not accepting "pearls" stitched into their customers' dicks or whatever the hell that is and moves to surcharges for "splits in mouth" and extra "waters", etc, all of which must be more definitive as Sex / P4 P in Thai language.

That is what defines the money collectors for the fiwfans business model as "pimps" but the managers / mamasans at Tulip and Snow White merely as "massage shops managers. ".

Publicly, that is. Which dodges that whole "shamefully and publicly advertising or offering prostitution" crime section cited in the Thai Penal Code.

[Werqweq]

Aside from the blatantly obvious public advertising of virtually no other service except "waters", "splits" and all the other weird English translations for actual sex, the big difference for the enterprise that got shut down vs the ones still openly discussed here and not shut down is there were third party interlopers fielding, screening and raking off a portion of the P4P exchange. Otherwise known as pimping and "living off the proceeds of prostitution" without being the one doing any of the fucking and sucking.

Not sure what you mean. In fiwfans the "agent"/pimp/whatever gets a cut of the money, and the girl the rest. At the shops, the shop gets a cut, and the girl the rest. What's the "big difference" here?

If anything, the fiwfans pimps maintain a much greater distance, as you don't ever give the money to them, only to the girl. Obviously they had no luck arguing "what the girl does with the money afterwards is her business. If she, out of the goodness of hear heat, bless her soul, wants to donate some to me, that's up to her", but that argument is not even possible in the case of shops.

I have no facts and don't even live in Thailand anymore, but my guess is that fiwfans got shut down because they a) were getting rather noticeable and big in terms of revenue, and b) did not grease the right, or most likely, any palms.

Unlike the shops, which I believe are licensed (not directly as wh0rehouses, but somewhat similar), and where the bib can easily ride up on their bikes to whatever shops is in their jurisdiction, and make the monthly inspection pleasant or not so pleasant, all while collecting their "fee", that's probably a bit more difficult to do in case of fiwfans. Possibly they did manage to find someone somewhere under 20 with a fake ID amongst the thousands of girls offering their service there, but I'm sure that was just the excuse used.

[NicFrenchy]

But notice none of the girls or their tracable customers were arrested for doing anything illegal. Only the 10 or so pimps who got between the customers and the girls and raked off a cut were arrested.

My post was sarcastic, of course it was bound to happen. Notice they also did not go after all the people online publicly promoting that said fraudulent platform as a place to meet girls. They could have, it would be easy to trace as well.

On social media, many Freelancers use Facebook and Instagram to promote their X page (where explicit content is allowed), TikTok is also starting to emerge with a lot of girls dancing with a skimp t-shirt and no bra underneath but in their profile promoting their X page.

X is strange though because not all girls will accept "Work" as they call it (appointments) but many have locked pages where they pose fully naked and give access for a fee (bypasses the OF commission as well and less risky).

Many girls on X will completely ignore foreigners, and if they give you the time of day is because your profile is complete and has a few photos. I've been successful with a few, but they are very far outside center BKK.

[EihTooms]

Didn't see that one coming.

There are a lot of similar websites, most only in Thai, but they're not sor sharing here because I'm fairly sure the BIB are reading this forum.

Weeks before I posted that fiwfans pages "might" be up and running again since the wording on the domain was different but apparently not different enough, the new site had already established a presence on BlueSky, the fastest growing competitor to social platforms like Facebook, X, formerly Twitter, Instagram and so on.

Everything they did seemed directed to being seen, investigated and shut down by Thai authorities again. The previous incarnation was cited and discussed here for years without being hassled.

There are PSE shops with entire threads devoted to them here that have never been shut down.

Aside from the blatantly obvious public advertising of virtually no other service except "waters", "splits" and all the other weird English translations for actual sex, the big difference for the enterprise that got shut down vs the ones still openly discussed here and not shut down is there were third party interlopers fielding, screening and raking off a portion of the P4P exchange. Otherwise known as pimping and "living off the proceeds of prostitution" without being the one doing any of the fucking and sucking.

Those are some of the behaviors that are clearly stated in all of the Thai Penal Codes as being illegal.

But notice none of the girls or their tracable customers were arrested for doing anything illegal. Only the 10 or so pimps who got between the customers and the girls and raked off a cut were arrested.

Those girls ought to ge able to figure out how to get their photos and profiles seen by customers on various "dating" sites without a third party interloper deciding who meets them, what they should or shouldn't do for them and for how much. Or at least their new pimps ought to be able to connect them with customers with a whole lot less interference and just collect a set fee for renting a room for "massage" or for advertising their "massage" services online.

[NicFrenchy]

Busted for age-related issues, still staffed by a foreigner, practically the same website name, so similar it came up immediately on a Google Search

Didn't see that one coming.

There are a lot of similar websites, most only in Thai, but they're not sor sharing here because I'm fairly sure the BIB are reading this forum.

[EihTooms]

Man, that's uncalled for. This forum is for sharing information, not hoarding it.
Have you ever talked to any fiwfans girl saying she gets farang customers? Many look like they're seeing a ghost when they open the door and see my farang face behind it.

If traffic from ISG would account for even 0.001% of their customers I'd be mighty surprised. Suspect anyone here who was using fiwfans before would know about it anyway, from the telegram groups or line accounts that are still busy, but which I don't bother checking since I'm not in Thailand.

Surprised they managed to re-open with the same website / domain though. I expected they'd at least would have to find a new name for it.

Busted for age-related issues, still staffed by a foreigner, practically the same website name, so similar it came up immediately on a Google Search, to go from fiwfans to fwfans was obviously meant to recapure all of the attenton and notoriety of the previous domain, publicly advertising essentially only prostitution instead of masking it behind "massage", etc, etc.

These people were determined to fall into every illegal pitfall that every other similar service has been able to avoid and remain open for years:

https://thethaiger.com/hot-news/crim...en-in-thailand

[Explorer8939]

I have cut back ladies to one per day, they come at night.

Two a day were taking a toll on me, mostly due to two drinking sessions per day, but two fucks every day wore me down.

I don't have a vacation coming to an end, so I don't have to cram as many ladies as possible into my schedule. The only forcing factor is when a lady is broke and calls me looking for a customer. As a result, I am seeing ladies in my rotation once a week.

I have had a couple of nominal nights with ladies, nothing bad, nothing great. Just a little drinking, sex and sleep. No drama.

[Newton York]

Now that's a MILF.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand...oon-crash-saga


Thai news is best read when in Thailand itself, feels way more authentic that way. Finding out about Thai stuff all the way from here, that just kinda sucks. I can't feel the kinship and closeness I otherwise would with the Thai babes.

[SubCmdr]

Weird the king and queen fly together. Some years ago, I saw two identical 747's side by side at our local Air Force base. White with a red stripe around the body, and a large red dot on the tail. The Emperor and Empress of Japan were visiting. Each on their own plane. It would have catastrophic for Japan to lose one of them in an accident, but both at the same time?

There are many different reasons that the Emperor and Empress would be traveling on their own plane. One is solving logistical problem. The Emperor and Empress of Japan might have had separate itinerary's that required them to fly separately. Second reason, the other plane you saw as a back up. Some countries got it like that. Japan is a rich country. I hear the Dis United States of America has two planes to fly POTUS around.

As for the King of Thailand he can fly a plane because he is a REAL MAN! Real men fly planes and ride motorcycles. Some of us men got it. Others well they are like this guy.

When Japanese and Korean guys are present, the rest of us have problems competing with them too.

[Philip Marlow]

Yeah, it seems cool, but ...

From what I remember reading he trained as a fighter pilot in the Thai air force.

Weird the king and queen fly together. Some years ago, I saw two identical 747's side by side at our local Air Force base. White with a red stripe around the body, and a large red dot on the tail. The Emperor and Empress of Japan were visiting. Each on their own plane. It would have catastrophic for Japan to lose one of them in an accident, but both at the same time?