Sao Paulo Reports

[JacobMann]

One of the things about Rio I appreciate their whole gparena system and how it keeps both the providers and clients honest and incentivized to put forward their better effort.

In São Paulo, there are a bunch of clinicas ("massagems") and it seems to be hit or miss because providers change, management change, new ones crop up, other ones decline or go out of business. I guess the randomness of it is part of the thrill, but there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of incentive for the providers to do their best, and it feels like playing whack a mole a bit. I got shafted at I think Sharon Premium it was and they offered me 10% off my next one, which I thought was kind of a slap in the face.

Sure the clubs and online are plenty good options, but I think this is an important extra layer which has room for improvement as far as systemizing. I don; t claim to have the answers, but I know there are a ton of diamonds in the rough with clinicas and it's time efficiency is appealing to me. No dressing up, drinks, deciding takeout fees vs room fees, no negotiating on time, etc. Just might have to negotiate some extras is all.

[Jbob084]

The website is pretty glitchy. I was able to sign up and use my USA card thru the website and not the app. I didn't download the app. I recommend send them a generic message to get the conservation moved to WhatsApp as soon as possible so you can avoid the website / app. Also, the majority of the girls are pretty direct and they appreciate the directness. Good luck and let us know how it goes.

What opening message do you send them on MP? And do you usually translate it to Portuguese? I'm quite experienced with Seeking and have mastered the template opening message based on girls in different countries. Direct vs indirect etc. I'm assuming in Brazil you can be quite direct? I haven't had much success with MP for some reason, so would really appreciate a template opening message that's worked for you?

Would be great to bag a few semi-pros from there. Much better GFE. However, the one thing I find difficult in Brazil is girls on Instagram etc. Filter their pics way too much where you can't even see what they look like. And the trans chicks that do a great job at of masquerading haha.

[Nounce]

but when it asked me to sign up for a "premium" or "elite" membership the app and website never linked to the subscription menu or let me sign up. I wonder if this has something to do with my Google store account being linked to a USA Bank account? Or is it some other technical problem.

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Any advice on the site you could provide, technical or otherwise, would be appreciated.

It takes credit card. This is from the app. You have a us card, so you need to check the box on the bottom to indicate you have a credit card from abroad. Web site is the same. I don't think they accept Google Pay if that was what you were asking. I think they are a US based company.

You probably are hindered by the Portuguese. There is a always a link that you can sigh up without discount from within their site. They used to give away 7 days promotion for R79 all the time 3 years ago. Check your email and you should see some promotional emails with longer terms.

[Anaggie]

This is good info. Based on your comments I signed up for Meu Patrocino (MP) on the web and downloaded the app. Both seem glitchy for some reason. I sent our the 10 free messages allowed for new users, but when it asked me to sign up for a "premium" or "elite" membership the app and website never linked to the subscription menu or let me sign up. I wonder if this has something to do with my Google store account being linked to a USA Bank account? Or is it some other technical problem.

It seems you have had success meeting non-pros with the site.

Any advice on the site you could provide, technical or otherwise, would be appreciated.

The website is pretty glitchy. I was able to sign up and use my USA card thru the website and not the app. I didn't download the app. I recommend send them a generic message to get the conservation moved to WhatsApp as soon as possible so you can avoid the website / app. Also, the majority of the girls are pretty direct and they appreciate the directness. Good luck and let us know how it goes.

[Tochka]

I visited Gauguin Club, and the best way to describe it is "Scandallo Lite. " The vibe felt familiar right away. In fact, I recognized and knew a couple of the security guys and two waiters who used to work at Scandallo, which made the place feel comfortable from the start.

I tried to make the early bird entry, but missed it by about 15 minutes — I walked in around 9:15 PM. Still worth it. Right away the atmosphere hits you: the garotas dressed in elegant evening dresses, moving around the club, great eye candy and a slightly more polished feel than Casarao.

First stop was the bar. Nice, they actually stock 18-year and 21+-year whiskey, Good start to the night.

The layout is solid: multiple floors, easy to move around, and a few quieter areas to talk. The rooms upstairs are are $200, which is pretty reasonable and reinforces the whole Scandallo-like feeling a similar environment but more affordable from when scandallo was are $800 brl and under are $1000 brl (dating myself with those prices kkk).

I never actually asked garota price. Instead I simply offered are $800 to go upstairs, paid the are $200 room fee, and used my credit card for the garota payment. For anyone wondering: InfinitePay, MercadoLibre Pay PagSeguro / PagBank all these worked with my US credit cards without any issues. Just remember the name used in card transaction and take a screenshot or have the garota send on wassap.

One interesting thing about the night: every interaction turned into a reverse interview. Two attractive garotas would sit down, start chatting in Portuguese, and once they realized I could respond in brasilian porto the energy completely bumped up to next level. Suddenly it was 21 questions.

They asked about everything:

• travel.

• living in Brazil.

• music, other boates.

• food.

• clothes.

• relationships.

• what I thought about Brazilian culture.

The conversations actually flowed naturally. Speaking Portuguese definitely helps not just for the conversation, but also for setting expectations clearly before going upstairs.

Overall impression: Gauguin is a comfortable, affordable version of my favorite Scandallo, with a familiar crowd and staff, good drinks, and plenty of friendly garotas willing to talk.

Afterwards around 1 am I bounced over to the value mart at Casarão to grab a late-night two garotas duo session. Two sexy blonde loiras, short 5'2 GND with natural boobs & bundas from MG.

A excellent solid night.

[Anaggie]

Read this report sipping gin and tonic and wishing I was back in SP. I recently chose Barcelona over SP and am regretting it.

Way to salvage a bad situation bud. I would have never had the patience to hang in there after hearing her lie about the getting in trouble for BBBJ and requested payment for nothing. If I remember correctly you speak fluent Portuguese. So I assume this back and forth wasn't through a translator. Using a translator app in situations like this causes me to lose patience more quickly.

Had a situation in Scan where a girl thought I was a complete noob and tried to force payment for sitting with me and letting me grope while we enjoyed one drink. Fortunately I had just met the manager with a fellow ISGer and so I made a comment about asking him and she left. Definitely blame other dumb gringos that tip these chics for sitting with them.

You really can't beat Scandallo for a high end good time and a good plus is not having to worry much about being scoped or swindled.

I wouldn't say fluent but conversational to where I don't need a translator so it was to the point. She got the point and I got what I wanted. If I had lost my hard on while negotiating, I would have gotten up and walked out.

[FlappyGilmore0]

Read this report sipping gin and tonic and wishing I was back in SP. I recently chose Barcelona over SP and am regretting it.

Way to salvage a bad situation bud. I would have never had the patience to hang in there after hearing her lie about the getting in trouble for BBBJ and requested payment for nothing. If I remember correctly you speak fluent Portuguese. So I assume this back and forth wasn't through a translator. Using a translator app in situations like this causes me to lose patience more quickly.

Had a situation in Scan where a girl thought I was a complete noob and tried to force payment for sitting with me and letting me grope while we enjoyed one drink. Fortunately I had just met the manager with a fellow ISGer and so I made a comment about asking him and she left. Definitely blame other dumb gringos that tip these chics for sitting with them.

You really can't beat Scandallo for a high end good time and a good plus is not having to worry much about being scoped or swindled.

Saw a girl walking around that I had seen on Saturday. Super skinny with a very nice body and face. Called her over and started talking. After a few drinks, took her upstairs and she was about to put the condom on for a BJ and I was like WTF? She said that the club doesn't allow BBBJ and she would get in trouble. I told her I am a regular and I know about what the club offers. So she says she won't do it. I said cool. Let's cancel the session and we can go downstairs. She said she wants to get paid and I laugh and go. You will get paid downstairs after I explain to the manager and see what he says about payment. So then she says. No that is fine and then proceeds to give a great BBBJ.

I met a few guys who were from the USA and one of them was tipping the girls to sit and kiss and touch them up. Told him to stop doing that as it teaches the girls bad habits. Another one was trying to settle for 500 are for short time and was getting shot down by all of them. Then he tried to get numbers for outside and I doubt anything came of that as well. I did see him a few times that evening just walking around by himself and he would stop by my table to just see the girls but he was getting nowhere. I don't understand this mentality. You spend money to come all the way down here just to be a cheap Charlie at the worst possible place. Budget for Scandello for one or two nights and do cheaper options during the rest of your stay.

Anyway. Sorry for the long post. I hope you enjoyed it as much as I enjoyed my time. Next trip is in April and then a 50th birthday in June with all the boys!

[The Cane]

I'm trying to learn the genetic characteristics of the different regions of Brazil, but I'm under the impression that anyone born close to SP is probably going to be as diverse as the whole country whereas girls from the south tend to look more European. In fact girls seem to be proud to be from the south and they tell me if they are.

I have reported on this very thing myself over the years. Girls from the south of Brazil proudly proclaiming, "I am gaucha"! As long as they're going to let a monger ride "gaucho-style" up in that "cuzinha" cool!

[Tasss]

My Tuesday report didn't seem to have posted so admins can remove the Tuesday report if it repeats.

Tuesday 3/3.

Getting money from ATMs has been kind of a PITA. The banks close pretty early, like 4 pm. I wake late because of the late takeout sessions from the clubs, so the ones inside banks are not accessible. I've been relying on 24 hour ATMs mostly. But even those are spread out far and Google Maps isn't always accurate. I've been taken to "24 hour ATMs" that are in shops that are not open 24 hours. I've also been to one where it ran out of cash so I have to Uber to another ATM. These are just newbie issues that are taken care of with the right behavioral changes. Just grab as much cash as possible in multiple transactions when you're at a working one.

Latina girl came and gave me a great session that ended in CIP again. I love her eyes. Most girls' eyes here are darker than her hair but hers is the opposite which was really attractive to me. She says she's from Mogi das Cruzes which isn't far from SP. I'm trying to learn the genetic characteristics of the different regions of Brazil, but I'm under the impression that anyone born close to SP is probably going to be as diverse as the whole country whereas girls from the south tend to look more European. In fact girls seem to be proud to be from the south and they tell me if they are. Anyways, we agreed to 600 + Uber for a BBFS session a couple of days ago, but she says her Uber is 90 each way, which I thought was probably not true. I predicted 50 for Uber since we met at Moema and I stayed at Pinheiros but gave her 100 since I didn't want to make a big deal out of it, and she was fine with 100. So total damage for this outcall was 700.

Went to Scan today and there were 2 x the number of girls as Saturday. M to F ratio was in the client's favor. I wasn't impressed Saturday but I was impressed today. My experience is that BBFS in most places, and Scan included, is mostly a numbers game as long as you offer the right amount and you pick the right targets. The right amount seems to be about 1700-1800 for one HR at the time of this posting since I had a couple of girls settle at this amount, including in Gauguin yesterday. Maybe some of you guys can get it cheaper but I haven't been able to do that, especially with no Porto. For the targets, all the girls who speak English except one that I interviewed in between the two trips didn't accept BB. Chances were better with those who only speak Portugese. I had 4 rejections today, 3 with girls who speak English and 1 who only speaks Porto. The 5th one I interviewed turned out to be someone who speaks no English but some Spanish, which makes basic conversion easier for me. We kind of clicked and I asked her about BB. I was pretty sure we'd settle at around 1.7 k or 1.8 k but offered 1.5 k to start. She countered with 2 k, and we settled at 1. 8 k. Great session at my apartment and we went two rounds before she left. She had excellent physical fitness and didn't tire out like the Casarao girl. She gave me her IG afterwards and she has about 20 k followers. She says she's from the Rio Grande area and has Italian and German ancestry, but she's a fake blonde, which I didn't mind. She asked for an Uber home and I paid. Total damage = 1800 + 470 exit fee + 600 entry and consumables + 50 Uber = 2920.

Wednesday afternoon, went to the block of Moema clinicas where Abbobora is. Pinheiros is pretty far from Moema, and almost everything else, and not a good location for hobbying. The round trip was about 90 reals. First up is Abbobora. Lineup is OK, I only saw one girl I was somewhat interested in, but on closer look during the interview, she didn't look as good as the initial presentation. I made the BB request just to get a data point and she said no. Moved on to Miruna. Miruna's lineup was not good at all. One of the ladies looks like she's around 40. Moved on without interviewing anyone. Next is Moah. Lineup is better than Miruna but no one really interesting. Again interviewed a girl just to get a data point, she said no to BB. 57 House lineup was pretty good, many worth interviewing. I picked a girl with a small body and cute GND face, white brunette. She wanted 500 tip for BBFS plus whatever the house would have given her, which is around 150 for the session. The house fee is 350 including the room so they basically take 200 for either incall session or outcall, excluding the room. So her target is basically 150 + 500 = 650 for an incall but she wants more for outcall. I proposed 700, she said 900, I said think about it and left her my number. After I walked out she sent me a message, and we worked out to 800 just like what I paid for the Casarao sessions. She says she can come after work but later changes her mind to reschedule for tomorrow afternoon instead.

1 am went to Casarao, place was so packed that it was hard to move. There were lots of dudes, but it's really the absolute number of unoccupied ladies that count and there were still plenty of those. I was having a hard time picking since I was looking for a girl who looked different than what I got the previous times. I asked one skinny chick and she rejected BBFS. Asked a Latina, she looked good but I just had a Latina in Moema Prime so she wasn't a must have. I offered 600 + Uber for 1 HR BBFS. She tried for 2 k but I politely asked her to give me a better number, she agreed to my original offer pretty quickly after. Paid the 210 exit + cover, back to the apartment, she gives me a solid session, not much kissing but didn't complain and followed directions. I loved her Asian cowgirl and reverse Asian cowgirl positions which is really hard on the quads. She says she works at Ana Rose during the day. So she does clinica during the day and Casarao at night. We started on round 2 but I didn't have time to finish. After the 1 HR I get her an Uber back to Casarao.

[Chicago85]

Saturday 2/21.

Checked into the Grand Hyatt......

......Some tips:

Don't ask girls what they charge. Tell them what you offer and see what they say. The asking rate is 1. 5 k for in house and 3 k outside. You decide what you are comfortable with and go from there.

Buy a bottle if you really want to have fun. If you don't drink, that is cool too.

I met a few guys who were from the USA and one of them was tipping the girls to sit and kiss and touch them up. Told him to stop doing that as it teaches the girls bad habits. Another one was trying to settle for 500 are for short time and was getting shot down by all of them. Then he tried to get numbers for outside and I doubt anything came of that as well. I did see him a few times that evening just walking around by himself and he would stop by my table to just see the girls but he was getting nowhere. I don't understand this mentality. You spend money to come all the way down here just to be a cheap Charlie at the worst possible place. Budget for Scandello for one or two nights and do cheaper options during the rest of your stay.

Anyway. Sorry for the long post. I hope you enjoyed it as much as I enjoyed my time. Next trip is in April and then a 50th birthday in June with all the boys!

I know Scandallo 1/10th of what Anaggie does, but agree with all of this. On my trips I personally only plan to Scandallo 2 nights a week, maybe 3-4 for a 12 day trip, but don't skimp on those nights!

[Knowledge]

You can do this at any corner cafe. Saturday is the best day of the week for it.

If you make it there and want to sample Brazilian snacks, have a drink and observe the locals, you can try Bar Original.

[ZofoMofo]

Price I offered was 800 R for short encounters and 1300-1500 R for overnights. Some girls tried to charge more but I didn't entertain them as they sounded more pro. I didn't set up terms since I didn't want a pro experience. If you try to dictate terms, the non-pro might not go with you. The pro will accept terms. The only thing I confirmed was "intimate" time at the hotel and then let it happen naturally which is the point of MP dates.

This is good info. Based on your comments I signed up for Meu Patrocino (MP) on the web and downloaded the app. Both seem glitchy for some reason. I sent our the 10 free messages allowed for new users, but when it asked me to sign up for a "premium" or "elite" membership the app and website never linked to the subscription menu or let me sign up. I wonder if this has something to do with my Google store account being linked to a USA Bank account? Or is it some other technical problem.

It seems you have had success meeting non-pros with the site.

Any advice on the site you could provide, technical or otherwise, would be appreciated.

[Nounce]

There is another one in Moema.

If you make it there and want to sample Brazilian snacks, have a drink and observe the locals, you can try Bar Original.

[Nounce]

You can't ignore the impact of the exchange rate (plus good old inflation).

I did say about 4 years ago so it does not make much difference. The phenomena I am referring to is the hoping for a home run price. That is how the game has changed. I see them as want to work less for more. It is mostly certain type of establishments that have increased price drastically and not just Brazil. Another example is La Isla in Medellin, before they would treat everyone the same and the service level was very high. You get a table even if you are a single regardless what you order. I ranked it very high because the quality of the appearance of the girls. But the game has been changed to money, at least no poker, haha. the price has more than doubled and they differentiae customers that they prefer let it rain tribe.

When I go to the cites that play the old game. A girl could send me her IG which would be the company she owns. She would nicely tell me she was hopping to get 800 by doing this. Most girls have a day job, and IG mostly filled with family photos. In Sao Paulo when it is changed to the new game, A girl (not all) could quote me 3k, when I did not accept, an unknown 2K girl would contact me later. Some girls on MP are organized and they know more about you than you know about them. Some are friends so they hunt together. These types of girls have an upper hand. When I was playing old game in Sao Paulo, I waited the last minute to give the girl money because I wanted to see if she would ask. Sex follows a good dinner in a good restaurant, sometimes no money was mentioned, often condom never mentioned, some even teased me for asking about it. LOL.

The price is relatively stable where they work more to earn more. Bangkok MP price has changed little. Freelancers are more or less the same. Some other countries are the same price as during pandemic. I am reporting my on the ground experience.

Everywhere was better 4 years ago. But everything was also better 10 years ago than 4 years ago. I can't go back that far but probably 20 years ago was better than 10. Girls just have more and more opportunities now, but that's a separate topic.

I said is about the price of what you experienced. The clinica price has not changed much so one could say it is as good as before. Once you go out of the big cities, the brothel is 10% cheaper or more. And I also said not all cities are playing the new game.

Colombia in my opinion could be considered better because the currency has been halved. It is also easier to find more attractive girls because they are attracted by bigger money available. I certainly is enjoy it better now than before.

For the predios, you are 2 years late, sorry, haha. There used to be several around the downtown area where you cancel your airbnb but all have been shutdown.

She says, some guys pay for the cover just so they can grab tits and asses while they drink with their buddies, never intending to take a girl. Makes sense to me.

The same in Scandallo and MP as well. They just take different forms

This building is in Liberdade and therefore is also close to Japantown. You can get Japanese or Chinese food at the same time if you ever decide to explore that area.

I would not eat Japanese food here although I have, several times. The Chinese restaurant Rong he is very good if not the best but the portion is for 2. There is another one in Moema. The Japanese rodizio place named Sapporo in Meoma will be much better than what you get in Japanese town. My experience tell me better Japanese food and there are many is outside of Liberdade

[The Cane]

You come to Brazil probably 4 years too late for better price. Scandallo was 500 and maybe up to 1 K before for me.

You can't ignore the impact of the exchange rate (plus good old inflation). When I first started going to Scandallo, most of the girls were happy with 600 reals. At that time, the exchange rate was 3 to 1 though. Now, and for quite sometime, it's been 5+ to 1. The girls understand the exchange rate when dealing with gringos and try to adjust accordingly. Throw in the rising cost of everything, and the price gets higher. Too high if you ask me. Annagie's latest report confirms what I found a year ago. The target price most of the girls at Scandallo are seeking is 1,500 reals presently. I believe that's too high, and virtually all the girls there will accept lower, especially if you don't go lower than around 1,000 reals. I'm not saying you can't go lower than that, but as a gringo your odds of success go down if you do. Especially if you aren't a known quantity or repeat customer. But at that price (1,000), and given the current exchange rate, I would essentially be paying the same in dollars at Scandallo as I did when I paid 600 at a 3 to 1 exchange rate. And that's 100% OK with me!